Braves trade Jeff Francoeur to division rival Mets for Ryan Church
by gondeee on Jul 10, 2009 8:04 PM EDT
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The Atlanta Braves have traded the once-Golden-Boy, Jeff Francoeur, to the division rival New York Mets for outfielder Ryan Church. I am beside myself. I mean, I knew the Braves would get rid of Francoeur somehow, but I didn't think they'd get rid of him to their biggest rival. The Mets must have indeed been the last resort for Frank Wren.
Church doesn't represent a real upgrade in the power department, though he certainly uses more of his ability than Francoeur does, but he is an equal defender and is better at getting on base. Here is a comparison of their stats for this year:
On first blush I like this trade. We get a better hitter, even if we did have to give up the once-face of the franchise (but that ship sailed a while ago). The risk here is that Francoeur figures something out and comes back to bite us time and again, but the odds of that happening are pretty slim if you've watched Francoeur over the last couple of years.
Good trade by Wren. While we would have saved about half a million in the deal, apparently the Braves also had to send the Mets cash to cover the differences in salaries. Wow! Jeff Francoeur is so bad, that we had to pay someone to take him. Still, good trade by Wren.
Looking at the split-stats for Church this year at the Mets new ballpark, which is playing like a pitchers park, he does a whole lot better away from there. His home slash splits are .216/.297/.278, while his road splits are .326/.359/.444, with 13 of his 16 doubles coming on the road. That makes this deal look even better. We could be getting a hitter who is just itching to get out of Citi Field.
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Cash also going to the Mets
so we don’t end up paying any less. The thing that a lot of fans are ignoring though, is that Church has been fine away from Citi field with a .326/.359/.444 line and it’s been that cavernous home park that has killed him. If we get this production from him for the rest of the year then this is a great trade.
Bye fyf:( I hope he tanks with the muts and he finds a AL team and becomes the player we always wanted him to be
If he tanks...
Will he even get another shot?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I hope you suck in NY bye, Its fine if you do well with an AL team
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 10, 2009 7:55 PM EDT reply actions
I think this proves that Frank Wren is committed to trying to win the division. While this may not be a blockbuster trade, this and the McLouth trade are good steps towards addressing our weaknesses to make a run for October. Is Church going to win the World Series for us? No, but he he’s an upgrade and I think the trade indicates that we’re going to be aggressive instead of rolling over at 5 GB days before the All-Star break.
"Here comes Bream! Here's the throw to the plate! He is...safe! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!...Braves win!"
Mwahahaha!
Enjoy New York Frenchy, they’re going to love watching you suck terribly.
Put Frenchy on suicide watch
Mets fans are going to be way more brutal to him, if you think his psyche was weak here, just wait
Frank Wren.
Seriously, anyone that thinks that Wren is a bad GM for whatever reason is starting to run out of reasons to do so…
"A player who conjugates a verb in the first person singular cannot be part of the squad, he has to conjugate the verb in the first person plural. We. We want to conquer. We are going to conquer. Using the word 'I' when you're in a group makes things complicated." ~ Wanderley Luxemburgo, 1999
FIRE WREN!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I like the constant activity
He’s not content to sit on his hands. Loved the McLouth deal and this deal. He didn’t buckle for Peavy, that non-deal showed more about Wren then anything else.
Go Frankie!!! (not Frenchy, Frankie)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He's a league average or better RF...
IE lightyears ahead of what Frenchy has given us on a regular basis lately.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
While certainly trending down, Church’s ISO this has been very adversely affected by Citi Field. I mean, look what it has done to David Wright! He’ll most certainly pick it up at Turner Field and be at least better than a .700 OPS guy, and hopefully above the .785 mark he posted in ’08.
that
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Trade
I like this trade… he can deliver with runners on scoring position instead of batting double plays… good move by frank, now we need to get a power bat and we are going to be in the race in october
good move by frank, now we need to get a power bat and we are going to beinleading the race in october
Fixed.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Who would've thought 2 years ago we would trade Frenchy for Ryan Church?
Back in ’05 and ’06, nothing short of Albert Pujols or Johan Santana would be acceptable.
Funny how things change.
Thanks for the occasional cheer Frenchy. You won our hearts over as a wide-eyed 22 year old rookie…and then you proceded to crush our hopes and dreams of you in RF the next 10 years.
Good Luck in NY.
And if you hit a HR against us, you better be ready for the beer about to be thrown on you.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
Mets GM Omar Minaya had this to say in an impromptu news conference announcing the trade:
This had nothing to do with not liking Ryan Church, but, one thing we like about Franceiour is the amount of games he plays.
How bad is a guy when your biggest upside is that you don’t get hurt a lot.
Quotes and moves like this make me VERY happy Omar Minaya works for the Mets.
And most of them are in the major leagues!!!
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 11, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, doesn't get hurt...
Or plays through the pain. It’s one thing not to get hurt and play 140 games a year. But for Frenchy (or any player) to tell the manager he’s ready to play every single day for multiple years, that’s a quality worth lauding. They got a little impatient with Church’s injuries (which really started with Yunel’s knee to the head.)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Upside and a dislike of Church by Manuel.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
with him platooning with Diaz, that won’t be much of a problem.
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
I'd be surprised if all he did was platoon.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Church, I love you if all you do is the following:
1) Recognizing which one is the pitcher and which one is the catcher.
2) Don’t attempt to bat lefty out of the right handed batter’s box.
3) Don’t crap in the infield dirt during innings (between is probably okay).
4) Show up most days with a glove.
5) Don’t punch Chipper in the groin 50% of the time.
Gotta tip my hat to him, he was very gracious to the Braves and the opportunity they gave him.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
Wish him all the best. I was always hoping he would turn it around this year.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Wanted to add
I would have preferred he turn it around big time and be the player we kept hearing he could be.
I just hoping now as a Met he doesn’t become a Brave killer when we face him like some others have.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
It was nice that he got the opportunity to live his dream of playing for his hometown team, but I’ve long since abandoned hope that he’s going to become a major league level hitter.
Frenchy always wanted to play football. I think he saw baseball as being “easier” and “less tackles,” in his mind. Hopefully he can man up.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions
When the Mets release him at the end of the year and he's jobless
Maybe he can finally take Clemson up on that deal.
Joe said he (Church) can play any position in the outfield…my brain is thinking Diaz in Right and Church maybe in Left?
Hey, a girl can dream.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
If UZR is to be belived...
He’s actually a better defensive CF than McLouth is.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
This sucks
You guys are sorry! Francoeur was an Atlanta Brave! He is only 25yrs old…plenty of time to improve. He did good once he could do it again. I hope he tears it up in NY.
For who? Ryan Church…this guy has not even played a full season and he is like 31yrs old…..!!! Forget this guy!
Also what am I supposed to do with my Francoeur shirt?
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
is this a joke?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:45 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s the internet, bro. You never know.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Wear it? I still see Andruw Jones jerseys at the ballpark.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he should sleep with it.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Church may not have played a full season of ball, but he has put up better numbers that Frenchy every year…including this one.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Brave man asking a question like that with this crowd.
Wear it with pride.
I still have and wear my Javy Lopez one.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
Oh Javy!
He was my all time favorite Brave! I had his Jersey when I was younger now I still have two framed Javy pics on my office wall
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Javy at an in-store promo last fall…
He was so sweet; thoroughly interested in what each person said and brought to get autographed…willingly posed for pics, and seemed genuinely surprised so many people came to see him.
I can remember really liking Javy when I was 8 or 9 years old. I liked watching him play. I also had a poster of Greg Maddux on my wall when I was in 3rd grade. I was uber pissed when I somehow lost that poster.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Lizziebeth - you made my week with that photo.
Thanks so much!! I love BMac, but I do at times miss seeing him behind the plate.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
Wear it...
whenever you feel the urge to swing at a first pitch.
by The Feathered Warrior on Jul 10, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Sucks II
The only thing that sucked about this is he was traded within our division…an Atlanta Braves NO NO….but Moving FYF for anything more that a couple of lower A prospects was going to be a tall order. I am still not a FWF (fan)…because of his inability to land big fish but from my armchair in the sand but this one made me stand motionless and slam the fecies gate shut to prevent excrement as the words that “Slee” and a few others has said surged from my vocal chords….WOW (repeat after pause) WOW!
He's already HAD plenty of time to improve.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Bottom line: the Atlanta Braves HAD to move Frenchy to compete this year. Again, wish him the best, but it wasn’t working. I was cheering for him last night with those hits, but that’s baseball.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:49 PM EDT reply actions
Bottom line: the Atlanta Braves HAD to move Frenchy to competethis year. Again, wish him the best, but it wasn’t working. I was cheering for him last night with those hits, but that’s baseball.
Fixed
lol. bittersweet.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
that chick was a cutie 8 ))
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions
Its just so hard to say good bye
Smoltz, Glavine, Andruw, and now Frenchy…Its just hard letting these guys go. You really get to like these guys like they are part of your family and then POOF they are gone!
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Think of it this way: At least he’s still playing baseball.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
True...but can we....or those that actually still like Frenchy....root for him in a Mets uni?
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
Sure, but he will still swing at the first pitch, regardless of where it is, he will still swing at a breaking ball outside the zone, and he will still not hit homeruns, no matter how hard we cheer for him.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, I was one of the lone peeps standing up for Frenchy around here, dude. I feel ya. But for the most part (sans the throwing arm)………he was poison at the plate the last COUPLE of years.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha...
So his throwing arm some times helped at the plate? :P
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
blame smoltz for leaving, and glavine for going after the money a few years ago.
I miss Andruw, but that was definitely the right move to make.
And I never fell in love with Frenchy. I used to like him, but when he turned into super-bitch, I lost all feeling for him. I wish him the best and all, but I think he is done as a Major League player.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions
done! really
Come on dude…he can turn it around. He is still younger. He hasnt even hit his prime.
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
He has not improved in one single area since his rookie season. His fielding has gotten worse, his average has fallen, his OBP is the worst in the majors for starting position players, his power is all but gone, and his Ks aren’t getting better.
Frenchy is going to be one of those flashes in the pan that we will one day look back on and wonder what could have been.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I said all that to say that I think his peak was his first year.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Mets fan, who WANTS Francouer to succeed.
He sucks balls.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
/sigh
Hurry back Omar. I am tired of seeing Diory in the MLB.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 8:55 PM EDT reply actions
Is this trade really a smoke screen
To bring up Jason Hayward?
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
So you think Church is the answer at RF
"You can live for Nothing or die for Something, it's your call" - John Rambo
lol
http://nomorespin-sports.blogspot.com
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions
THE answer?
Nope. But Heyward JUST made it to AA, and has battled some injuries this year. His timetable is next season at best. No need to rush him, because he’ll be a really good one whenever he’s ready.
And seriously
Why would you need a smoke screen to bring up Heyward anyway? It’s not like they weren’t allowed to just call him up to the team anytime they wanted. Just call him up, tell him he’s playing right field and batting 6th/7th, and be done with it.
He's a better answer than the one we've had the last few years.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets fan with a question
What does FYF stand for? I’m guessing fuck you Francoeur
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 8:58 PM EDT reply actions
Learn the phrase well, dude.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions
So which is it?
Or is it an either/or kinda deal
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
you get to decide
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Sweet
Like a “Choose Your Own Adventure” type thing, but with infinitely less plate discipline.
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Church’s defense is also probably a bit better, although I don’t think his arm measures up to Francouer’s.
from what I have read, Church has a great arm…probably not like FYF’s, but not too far off.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Casey’s sick? wtf?
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions
He wrenched a back muscle jumping with joy when he heard the news.
7/10/09-A New Dawn.
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
It was Jeff’s final middle finger to us fans.
7/10/09-A New Dawn.
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions
If the Mets and Bravos ever brawl......it could get nassssty.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:09 PM EDT reply actions
Hopefully
the Mets keep FYF for next year, Atlanta calls up Schafer, and they brawl.
Schafer runs up to FYF, punches him in the face and says “what’s your excuse for sucking now, punk?”
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Bazing!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
not really, it would get shrill however when jeffy runs screaming from the brawl like a little girl.
http://nomorespin-sports.blogspot.com
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, All he would have to do is make eye contact with guys, and they will go running the other way
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions
haha
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ummmm...
i’ll take McCann over ANYONE on the Mets’ roster. He’s freakin’ beastly.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 11, 2009 6:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Hah...
Mac seems like the type who could get slowed by somebody tickling him.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
A risk I’m willing to take with Frenchy. And I was a fan.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Is he going to hurt us more in the 10 games he plays against us than he would have in the 79 games he played FOR us?
God, I bet you were pissed when the Nats ended up with Langerhans.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't like the trade
I really didn’t like this trade. Frenchy is he bad, yes. I think he can be fixed, and I thought A. Jones could be also. I would have rather seen him sent down and let him work it out down there. Yes he may only turn out to a 15-20 HR guy with around a 700 to 750 OPS but that is aceptable. Frenchy is an athlete and I really think people need to think this through and not just be happy he is gone. I have liked the moves Wren has made so far, but not too big on this move. Yes he may have just need a change. I think Wren talked to scouts and they thought that Jeff could not be fixed, they are the pros not me. I think the trade will end out alright, I hope church doesn’t not have any problems with his previous concussion.
How is a 700 to 750 OPS acceptable for a power corner position? Not to mention that Franceour had become a whiny bitch about things.
church
Over 750 is and 15-20 HR is. Church is just a little over 700. I will miss his nice arm in right, I have no idea about Church’s does anyone know?
by atlbravesfn12 on Jul 10, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
supposed to be very good
if not as good as FYF’s pretty dang close.
i am confused…do you like the move or not? lol…you kinda said both. I think you may have talked yourself into liking the move throughout your post.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha I know i was a little off with the OPS, but 750-800 is nice. I like the amount of doubles Church has, but not the amount of HRs. I hope his arm is good, and i wish he was a righty hitting. I don’t really like the move, but I can live with it. I just would hate to see Frenchy trn it around. It would be awful that the bravse have had Mark Derosa, Jason Marquis, A. Jones, Davies, Frenchy. It doesn;t look good for the braves and it just may be time for a new hitting coach.
by atlbravesfn12 on Jul 10, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
just look at his slash stats…he is hitting for a better average, with a better OBP, better OPS and better SLG than Frenchy.
Remember, he is playing in Citi Field where not many HRs go out.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah true about Citi Field
I just hope Frenchy is released/ non-tenured after this year and the Braves can pick him up with a a minor league deal. Then have him work in minors with a hitting coach. I am unsure if we have any great minor league hitting coaches, but I am sure they can work with Frency. What a story this would be, even though it is not likely. I just hope Church can do the job.
by atlbravesfn12 on Jul 10, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No. A thousand times no. We don’t need him taking up space on a roster. Your 1984 Old Cutlass blows it’s motor and you sell it to Cash for Clunkers. You don’t go to the junkyard and try to get the car back for $500. It’s a POS and you got rid of it and got a good deal. Goodbye Jeff. Don’t come back.
What's your point?
DeRosa’s never been able to hold down an everyday job, Marquis has had just a handful of above-average seasons, Jones still sucks, Davies was mediocre last year and has been just bad this year.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
UZR actually says Church is the better fielder.
And he can play an above-average CF to boot. I certainly think he’s a better option there if McLouth is hurt or taking a day.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I bet TP is not too worried about that one.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
He will not turn it around, dead pull hitter an all he wants to do is hit the ball 500 ft to LF every time up.
Church is an upgrade but more is needed, no to dump KJ for something?? Hmmm…… ???
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 10, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And Jaramillo and Chipper...
And the dozens of others in the legion who’ve tried everything they could think of to turn him back into a competent hitter.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Hey Hey GOOD BYE !!
Good bye failceour and take your almost 4million dollar crappy playing self up to new york. You think ATL media was bad if you suck wind in New York they will run him out of town. I move had to be made, I like the move, how long is Church signed for and was is his arb. status ???
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jul 10, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions
Church is at the same price as Frenchy this year (we sent them cash to make up the difference) and is arb-eligible the next two years.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I love this from ESPN's
Rob Neyer who asks, "The Braves got a decent hitter and fielder who bats left-handed… The Mets got… what, exactly? If you figure it out, drop a line to Jerry Manuel. He’s going to need all the help he can get with this one."
Even if French gets it together and bites us
I won’t mind, because whatever he finds in New York he was never going to find it in Atlanta.
Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.
I agree. If he does somehow turn it around up there, it wouldn’t matter, because it wouldn’t have happened here, not with TP, not with the pressure. If he turns it around, it’s because "change of “scenery,” or whatever. It’s not because we didn’t give him a chance. We gave him more chances than he deserved, frankly.
He's worked with plenty more coaches than Pendleton.
They’ve all failed.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
I LOVE this trade
First off I have had an odd liking of Church when he was a Nat and a Met. Its irrational but anyways.
So this year he has a .280/.332/.375.707 line and as gondeee has said that itself is much better than Frenchy.
But his numbers look much much better when you platoon him with Diaz/Infante and take him away from Citi:
Away .326/.359/.444/.804
vsRHP .310/.360/.424/.784
Who would have thought we could trade Frenchy STRAGHT UP for a hitter who should hit over .300 with ~800OPS in the role we will ask for him, with good defense, and doesn’t add salary? Wren is a freaking genius.
Not irrational. He’s been a pretty good hitter ever since he was an EXPO, and when he’s completely healthy, he’s been nearly awesome. He was the Mets’ best hitter last year for two months, before Yunel ninja-kicked him in the head. Just check his 2008 Pre-and-Post-All Star splits. He OPSed .882 before the All Star break.
In 2008, aside from a flukey season from Dmitri Young, he was the best hitter for the Nationals, as well. Zimmerman had a bit of a down year, and they didn’t really have anything else, but still. He’s a good hitter, and a good defensive player, and the only preventing him for being better known is a lack of pure power and some tough luck injuries.
The best part of this deal is that we dont have to watch the FYF spotlight in rain delays anymore
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 10, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
Please...
I bet they’ll find a way to torture us with it anyway.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Guys, check out the links posted on Amazin' Avenue's blog
They are all pretty much equally awesome.
My favorite was this gem from Baseball Think Factory.
If you made a trade this one-sided with your little brother as a child, you parents would instantly negate the trade and send you to your room. It’s like giving your little brother an empty can of Fanta for his Boba Fett. Now, Ryan Church isn’t as awesome as Boba Fett, but I don’t have to pay a million dollars to an empty can of Fanta either. Ryan Church is not a star, but I wouldn’t trade minor-league shortstop David Church for Francoeur either and he’s a player I just made up.
FRANK WREN GO TO YOUR ROOM AND DONT LET ME CATCH YOU PLAYING HALO!
That article was the funniest thing I’ve read all week. Possibly, almost as funny, was the next article down the list with the headline, “Royals – acquired nothing.”
by FineHamAbounds on Jul 11, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This is so true
for my 5th birthday, my brother (who was 10 years older than me) got me a whole box of Hoops basketball cards. Inside the box, I pulled a Michael Jordan UNC card. At the time, Scottie Pippen was my favorite player (for some unknown 5-year-old-child reason) and my brother immediately traded me a normal, every day, run of the mill Scottie Pippen card for that MJ one…I have held him in disdain ever since!
LOL
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Follow up story
It must run in the family though, because several years later, I traded away my household chore of doing the dishes every other week (my younger brother and I switched off) to my younger brother. In return I gave him $25.
Yes, I paid him $25 to do the dishes for a whole year. The best part of this is that he thought it was a good deal, and made the same deal the next year for a slight increase to $50!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Holy Shit
This trade just surprised the hell out of me. I mean, I assume that Frenchy won’t figure it out (he had better not become a good hitter all of a sudden), but to the METS?! Holy Shit!
by Andy Braves Fan on Jul 10, 2009 11:59 PM EDT reply actions
Wow
I knew this was coming, and I even hoped for it, with a sort of clinical detachment. But seeing it happen is another thing.
I am torn. From a baseball perspective, this is an awesome move. There is about a 97% chance we fleeced the Mets on this one. But that being said, I am going to miss Frenchy’s wild-pitch striking out first pitch swinging double A demoting .650 OPS’ing ass.
Expect a full length fan post from me (and likely others) in the near future on this, but Frenchy was the future face of this franchise for several years, and it wasn’t until this year that I finally gave up that dream. And lets face it: Frenchy sucks at baseball, but hes a good dude. Every game I’ve been too he has been cool with the fans, always smiling, even when he is sucking.
And we can’t even wish him well, because he is a met. I am deeply conflicted.
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 11, 2009 12:15 AM EDT reply actions
Hey guys what's going on in here
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
unfortuneately, yes it is.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
But it's not so unfortunate for US anymore!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Can't say I dislike this one.
I feel kinda bad for Frenchy, though. I mean, he had to know it was coming, but to a division rival where he’ll see us several times a year? I’m sure he was hoping he’d end up in Seattle or something.
But I’ll take present-day Ryan Church over present-day Frenchy. The only thing about Frenchy I’ll really miss is the arm, so long as it’s not attached to a bat.
Yeah, he'll probably hate coming back to Atlanta to play against us.
But I think Church’s arm might just be a better replacement than you think.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
i know this is really off topic but....
does anyone think than wren got church for more trading possibilites. obvi nym was last option for FYF. do you think were done with trades… everyone wants another power bat. i like church. hell of a player from what ive seen. but i alsoooooo have a tempting feeling that frank and bobby are getting tired of yunies days off. maybe church and yunie for a decent defensive shortstop and a hugeeeeeee power rf at bat. not much time to make another move. but i woudlnt put anything past frank after todays trade lol sneaky bastard
+10 million on getting rid of fyf
BOBBY COX 1-2-3 KID
Frank is The Mayon
I’ll be interested to see what happens. With Kelly Johnson on the mend, and Omar Infante due back after the break, we are going to already have some power back. Frank has won me over, though. Whatever he decides to do, it will be in the Braves’ best interests.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
it sucks that it had to come to this
it is a good move to make, but still just upsetting that it had to happen.
What a day.
FINALLY rid of Francine and a nice win in Colorado.
Lets get the next 2 and finish the first half at .500.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP AND Omar Minaya!
Been reading
The posts over at AA…God bless Frenchy. They hate him already. Seriously, it’s gonna be like being thrown to the lions.
Glad we are rid of him and I LOVE the trade but I feel sorry for anybody who is going to have to go through what he’s facing.
"The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw."
I’ll admit to kinda feeling the same way. I don’t hate on Frenchy….he drove me nuts at the plate but there was never any serious hatred for the guy.
I’m afraid he may have a huge awakening in NY and the kind of fans he’ll encounter with the Mets if he doesn’t produce and quick. Failcouer T-Shirts will be tame in comparison.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
Cash
So am I the only that thinks we need to get a collection fund together to send to the Braves to show our appreciation and attempt to provide the difference in money. I mean FRENCHY is GONE and we actually got more for him than we had to give up to get KBurg back in the day. Impressive
N. Tyler Ayers
Frank Wren must work with hypnosis (if anyone has seen Curse of the Jade Scorpion, lol)
But hey, thanks to ESPN, Frenchy is going to be featured in at least one nationally televised game a week now……..eep.
RIP Frenchy
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Who?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Can Frenchy hit Lowe?
(From Braves site) TIDBITS:
Cox announced his post-All-Star rotation on Friday. Derek Lowe will pitch against the Mets on Thursday and be followed by Jurrjens, Kenshin Kawakami, Javier Vazquez and Tommy Hanson. … During his career, Church has hit .325 (13-for-40) against the Rockies and .412 (7-for-17) at Coors Field. … Church will wear No. 25 with the Braves. … Jones has five hits, including three homers, in 10 career at-bats against Marquis.
So Frenchy’s debut in a Mets uniform in Turner Field will be against Lowe.
Predictions?
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
breaking balls away
and he goes 0-3 with a walk (yes, i said it) and 2 Ks.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions
That's great and all
But more importantly, what number is Francoeur going to wear for New York?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Correct.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Zero risk
Not only is this a great trade but I disagree with anyone who thinks there is any risk at all associated with it. There is zero risk to the Braves here. Even if he miraculously becomes a useful player, he would have never done that with Atlanta and anyone who says otherwise hasn’t been watching him over the past couple of seasons. It’s an immediate addition by subtraction and is also another addition by subtraction to the Mets as well.
Absolutely.
If it only takes the option away from Bobby of running him out there 5-6 nights a week, that’s a net positive.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 11, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
had to make it 200 comments. liiiiiiiittle bit ocd.
Go Church!!
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 24, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
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