Frenchy has been traded!
by KC Ryan on Jul 10, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
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Jeff Francouer has been traded to the Muts for Ryan Church. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy. No more FYF. Praise the Lord. Does this move make us much better? Probably not, but at least we don't have to put up with Frenchy's sorry ass any more. Church might actually make us a better team and he for sure will lower our frustration level. I'm sooooo happy!! What do you guys think about Ryan Church. Is he an upgrade?
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Check the main article on the main page I posted a link to the Muts beat writer.
by RainDelay on Jul 10, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frenchy
Frenchy will prob start rakin now that he has a new scene…He just needed a new hitting coach and a new coach..How much longer can Frank put up with Terry P doing absoulutly nothing with this bunch!!!
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Jul 11, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I just checked the stats for todays Mets game and Frenchy was 2 for 4 with 2 RBI’s…He will prob murder the Braves now but the Bravos did the right thing by moving him…
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Jul 11, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll believe it when I see it. Frenchy likes to do what Frenchy does.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bloop single and infield hit I heard
Cockchafer
by bpk228480 on Jul 12, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, because Rudy Jaramillo worked wonders with him.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
call BS. Why would the Mets bail us out?
by dragonhawk26 on Jul 10, 2009 6:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No BS
Heard it on MLB Network then went straight to MLB Traderumors then here.
Frank Wren is a miracle worker for pulling this one off!
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Job Frank
Frank did a pretty good job as I actually like Church, as he plays his ass off….Now if he would just put Terry P on the road if would be great!!! Come on Frank, you can do it!!!
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Jul 11, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FREE AT LAST! FREE AT LAST! THANK FUCKING GOD, WE ARE FREE AT LAST
by bigjoe on Jul 10, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This was just reported on sports center with Buster Olney responding by saying “WOW!”
by camiller on Jul 10, 2009 6:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frank Wren is a sneaky bastard
Making NYM deal with Failcoeur just made them a bit worse.
+2 Braves
-1 Mets
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Jul 10, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is he an upgrade?
Who isn’t?
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 6:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Heck I would have taken a bag of used bats
Addition by subtraction is an upgrade!
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by Darin H on Jul 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow….I mean, this is what we all wanted but….feels kinda wierd. Like that really bad relationship you cant seem to get out of. Or that wierd feeling you get when you have to wake up and go to work, leaving that floozy you met in the bar last night sleeping in your bed.
Know what I mean?
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is like seeing the abusive ex get hauled away by the police while you’re crying into the shoulder of you’re new, perfect boyfriend while your family stands around patting your shoulder
by bigjoe on Jul 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+100000
HAHAHAHAHHAHHAA
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amendment...
This is like seeing the abusive ex get hauled away by the police while you’re crying into flipping him the finger and grinning broadly over the shoulder of you’re new, perfect boyfriend while your family stands around patting your shoulder.
Oh yeah, we were talking about Frenchy, weren’t we? Ah, I will miss the muppet-run.
by Lizziebeth on Jul 10, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha
It’s Ryan Church not Burt Reynolds.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 11, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure if it is an updgrade or not, but the moves makes some sense as it seems like the Mets have been down on Church ever since he and Escobar collided last year.
A change of scenery may prove good for both players…..let’s just hope it does not come back to bite us being the he was traded to the Mets.
by frozen rope on Jul 10, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you need a reminder of that Church concussion, take a peek at my pic.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont like Church. He's everything we dont need.
by esadb on Jul 10, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he's capable of being a decent hitting outfielder
that’s everything we need right now
by was385 on Jul 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He has little power and is Left handed. We have 2 right handed bats in the lineup now.
by esadb on Jul 10, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
y r Braves fans so picky?
this is insane. We got rid of Francoeur, got an outfielder who will probably slug around .440 with us. That is exactly what we needed. He’s a guy that won’t suck at the end of the order, I don’t care if he hits left-handed, right-handed, or what at this point because beggars can’t be choosers.
by was385 on Jul 10, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't get it either
Some are complaining Church is injury prone … hell, even if he misses the rest of the year we’ve still improved our team by getting rid of FYF.
“Church has no power” – What? Exactly how much power did Frenchy give us?
Good grief!!!
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we traded Francoeur for Pujols, I imagine comments like these would follow:
Francoeur is 5 years younger than Pujols. I don’t want our team to get older.
Why would anyone want Pujols? His elbow is going to blow any day now and we’ll be stuck with the bill.
Great now the rest of the offense is going to start slacking because they think Pujols is going to carry the team. I’d rather have a balanced, team-orientated lineup than one that destroys team chemistry by pandering to a superstar.
Now Freeman has no future on the team.
by VictorW on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Who are you?
don’t you know that noobs cant just come in here and start giving away points? You have to have tenure here…
although, your name looks familiar for some reason….
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A league-average hitter who plays solid defense?
How do you figure?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not what i meant
left handed, not very much power.
by esadb on Jul 14, 2009 4:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't that still a lot better than right handed, no power whatsoever?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Over what period?
Since ’07, Church has slugged 40 points higher (and 30 of that is ISO.)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who calls the Mets the Muts or the Phillies the Phaillies, or really uses any “witty derogatory nickname” for other teams is fucking retarded.
in unrelated news, the fact that Wren was able to trade Francoeur for someone with major league experience who has at least shown flashes of decency is so admirable that my respect for the guy has increased 10-fold. Great trade for the Braves.
by drdonkeypunch on Jul 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who calls the Mets the Muts or the Phillies the Phaillies, or really uses any "witty derogatory nickname" for other teams is fucking retarded.
Ive been wanting to say this for a long long time.
by esadb on Jul 10, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And all of this...
from someone whose User Name is Dr. Donkey Punch. Classy.
But I agree, great trade.
by TheTed on Jul 10, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I call the Met's Mut's
I must be retarded. I am not MD of Donkey Punching or anything, but I used to think I had alot going for me.
I prefer “Anyone who makes blanket statements about people on a team based web site is fucking retarded”
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 11, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Mutts and Thillies both suck at life (.)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Derogatory? Like using the word “retarded” to call someone stupid?
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Jul 11, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call it particularly witty.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thillies is worse
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like this deal
and not just because it gets rid of Frenchy. Church’s only real problem has been a lack of power this season, but can that be attributed to his cavernous home park? Here are his home/away splits.
Home: .216/.297/.278 in 97 at-bats
Away: .326/.359/.444 in 135 at-bats
We’ve seen what that park does to hitters and he has a history of being much better than he has this season.
by was385 on Jul 10, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Bobby puts their lockers right next to eachother, Enjoy the awkwardness.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
........YES
Maybe Church doesn’t remember it……?
I joke, I joke. I kid, I kid.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I felt bad for Church after that play, but it’s blatantly obvious he was at fault there.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazing, he is an upgrade
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 10, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ANYBODY is an upgrade. Props to Frank Wren for trading away possibly the worst position player in baseball to somebody who has some, if little, value
by eaheckman10 on Jul 10, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hasnt he had injury problems
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 10, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t k now how I feel about this, I don’t know too much about Church, but another LH bat? But I guess a guy hitting .280 is better than one hitting .250 without power no matter which way he bats.
by camiller on Jul 10, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
god yes
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Frenchy is perfect for the Mets
Welcome to the land of underacheiving failures, mr francoeur.
But agreed, it feels kind of weird. Especially since he is a lifetime Brave. I do wish him well.
by krsracker on Jul 10, 2009 6:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
FW for executive of the year
A straight up trade that gets rid of an automatic out and gets us back something even platoon worthy in RF = awesome.
More ABs for Matty Diaz!
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How much is Church being paid?
Maybe this could save money for another move
by esadb on Jul 10, 2009 6:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Would have saved us about half a mil over a full year. Prorated it’s somewhere around 250k savings.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It does, if only a little bit. I can’t believe the Mets agreed to this deal
by eaheckman10 on Jul 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been wanting to see Francoeur go as much as anybody, but giving him to the Mets makes me feel uneasy. I guess it seems almost impossible that he could turn it around, but if he somehow did it would be the worst thing of all time. I don’t feel like Church gives us anything really, though hopefully I’m wrong about that.
by Sir Stealth on Jul 10, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Another reason this deal makes sense: he’s only under team control for 2010 after this year. Don’t we have some stud prospect that will be ready by then?
by bigjoe on Jul 10, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hmm….let me think…you know I think I have heard about some stud OF that should be ready in a year or so….
Very good point.
by frozen rope on Jul 10, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, he's arb eligible for the next TWO seasons (although surely you know by now)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why isn't this on the front page?!
the whole world needs to see our happiness!
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 10, 2009 6:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'm going out to buy beer just for this occasion.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im ont 21 but you could bring me some if you like.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
HA!!
Check out what I just found over at amazinavenue.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/5/11/872539/careful-with-that-axe-frenchy
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Best comment ever
“If all work and no play was so important, they’d put it on the scoreboard. "
by someguy917 on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Help...me...
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
by squid92 on Jul 10, 2009 6:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its funny
to see the difference in reactions from the two forums:
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/10/945143/mets-trade-church-for-frenchy
by dragonhawk26 on Jul 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This thread on Amazin Avenue is Awesome
I’m gaining so much respect for Mets’ fans.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/10/945143/mets-trade-church-for-frenchy
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I know. I wish I didnt have to wait a full day before I can comment on their page.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HELL FUCKIN YES!!!
WTF is Manaya thinking???
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/07/mets-trade-church-to-braves-la.html
WE GOT CASH TOO!??!?!??!?!
by bigjoe on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
WREN IS A GOD!!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are paying them cash. Buh-bye Faily! :)
by AndiRose on Jul 10, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Every article I’ve read that mentions money says the Mets are paying us.
NJ dot com – for one.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im actually seeing a lot of both...
I hope they paid us, but it seems unlikely
by esadb on Jul 10, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DOB says this:
The Braves will also send some cash to the Mets in the deal, which includes no other players.
by AndiRose on Jul 10, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the article I quoted has been changed since I read it to say the same. Either way, we still got one helluva deal.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugh
Problem is we have to deal with him every time the Mets come to ATL.
I just hope FW doesnt think this solves our OF problems.
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry but I have to
Problem is we have to deal with him every time the Mets come to ATL.
Good news for us, that’s an automatic out every 9th batter.
I just hope FW doesnt think this solves our OF problems.
But it kinda does, doesn’t it.
I’m just funning you, I know what you meant. Some players come back to haunt their original teams after being traded and no, Ryan Church, is not the impact bat we needed but you have to be excited that we got something for FYF.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nick Green
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is a good thing
note to pitchers: 3 curveballs away….
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We went from having a hole in the line-up to someone who has a chance of positively contributing. If we get Chipper and McCann on track, and GA just avoids complete suckage, the offense might be decent now.
Especially if odarP keeps raking.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/10/945182/mets-trade-ryan-church-for-jeff#comments
LMAO! Look at their comments on the deal.
I kinda feel bad for Met fa….FUCK THAT. Wooohooo!
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 10, 2009 6:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m so happy I can barely speak. FUCK YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!
by MTSU11 on Jul 10, 2009 6:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m dreaming…i’m dreaming…someone wake me up. pinch me…
HOLY HELL THIS IS AWESOME!!!
Wren is such a genius! Not only do we get rid of our worst player, we make one of our division rivals worse in the process!!!
HAHAHAHHAHA!!!
The Mets ownership is just trying to compete with the KC Royals for worst move of the week!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Someone tell the Mets no-givsies-backsies.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
PICTURE JEFF TRYING TO HIT A HOMER AT CITI FIELD
LOLOLOLOL
Oh, Bobby.
by sdp on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
umm....
picture him trying to hit a HR anywhere.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comapre the last two years and half of this one between these two.
Church 2007: .272/.349/.464, 114 OPS+, 23.7 VORP, 2.9 WAR
Church 2008: .276/.346/.439, 106 OPS+, 8.7 VORP, 1.6 WAR (in 90 games)
Church 2009: .280/.332/.375, 88 OPS+, 3.1 VORP, 0.4 WAR
Frenchy 2007: .293/.338/.444, 103 OPS+, 20.0 VORP, 3.6 WAR
Frenchy 2008: .239/.294/.359, 73 OPS+, 3.5 VORP, -1.3 WAR
Frenchy 2009: .250/.282/.352, 60 OPS+, -7.1 VORP, -0.6 WAR
And we got cash, too? AWESOME!
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What’s the exact terms to this trade?
by Walker Wallace on Jul 10, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://bravesheart.com/2009/07/10/ok-some-analysis/
A little bit of analysis thats been already elaborated here. Gondeee is a little slow on the bal today
by bigjoe on Jul 10, 2009 6:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean that we have a Diaz/Church platoon in right?
Diaz obviously has demolished lefties and Church has nearly an .800 OPS against righties while playing half of his games at citi field where his overall numbers are miserable. This platoon could end up putting up some pretty good numbers.
by was385 on Jul 10, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can see them doing a 2/3, 2/3, 2/3 thing with Diaz, Anderson & Chruch
by bigjoe on Jul 10, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your welcome, Braves fans
Omar Minaya is total jagov
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry dude
I think I feel more sorry for you guys than I do KC fans today.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOW
I am SOOOOO happy right now. Church is clearly a better player. But woe is me for I still have to live with Frenchy EVERY SINGLE DAY. Haha. Go figure. I LOVE THE MOVE!
Yunel is the Queen of Hearts
by GoBravesNY on Jul 10, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit. lol
Hopefully no mas ’Spotlight: Jeff Franceour"
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
High five!
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signs point to yes!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
After 3 doubles...
We probably got the last bit of juice FYF had. I would love to see GA in left, Church in right, with Diaz going back and forth. Each guy playing 2/3 of the time!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ethier that or he had just turned a corner
…not
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 10, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
. . . . hope not. that would really suck and we would look like idiots.
Maybe the Mets Flip FYF to the Royals for Gullien
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is this the last move?
Will Wren still be looking to add a power bat? Or will he hope that if enough guys have high averages and OBPs then that will eventually equal runs?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This is bittersweet. While I like that he’s gone, I have to admit that I hide a small soft spot for the loser. Now that he’s a Met it only confounds that, and he’s going to get crucified in New York. I feel bad for him.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
me too, i wish him the best of luck
Yunel is the Queen of Hearts
by GoBravesNY on Jul 10, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I kinda feel the same way. I would have preferred he turn it around big time and be the player we kept hearing he could be.
I just hoping now as a Met he doesn’t become a Brave killer when we face him like some others have.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
by NCChopper on Jul 10, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats
Ryan Church is a helluva player. He’s gotten out of our terrible organization and into a better one.
Frenchy is terrible and you guys fleeced us.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Jul 10, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya know, while he certainly played his way out of Atlanta, that whole ‘change of scenery’ thing might work for him. Who knows? I agree that its curious that this trade would happen, and I have NO idea what Minaya would see in Frenchy because he’s had a lot of exposure to him, but that whole ‘potential’ thing has a ring of truth to it. If nothing else, you guys have a new punching bag :).
Just…go easy on him if (when) he sucks.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't go easy on him when I was thrilled that he was failing
Now it’s going to be much worse.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
by future on Jul 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Church gets to play with one of the guys that KO'd him last year
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(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a good deal for Church, who wasn’t getting nearly enough playing time.
by Walker Wallace on Jul 10, 2009 7:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He also finally gets to hit in a decent ballpark. Between Citi, Shea, and RFK, the guy was due for a break. It’ll be interesting to see how he handles the switch.
by Yakker on Jul 10, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t even know what to do with myself, I’m soooo happy!!!!! I can’t stop laughing, giggling like a school girl. This is sooo nice! Can’t wait to see Frenchy at the first homestand!!! I need to purchase a Failcoeur shirt before then.
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PS, Royhobbs, you should put the link to your shirt someplace where the Mets fans can access it. I think you should raise the price for a profit. You’re going to be getting a lot of hits very, very soon.
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This opens up a new market for the Failcoeur T-shirts. They’re already being advertised over at Amazin Ave.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Francoeur playing at Citi Field, a failure playing at a stadium sponsored by another failure.
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Meet the Mets! Meet the Mets! Come on out and Greet the Mets!!!
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry to correct you, but you got the song all wrong. It’s “Meet the Mets, greet the Mets, step right up and beat the Mets.”
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how this one trade completely sent the Braves fanbase rejoicing and the Mets fanbase into riots. The only downside for the Braves is that Church is older and not as good defensively. But he hits for better average. The power numbers and strikeouts are basically a wash (Church strikes out a TON). But he has a higher OPS. I honestly don’t think either Church or Frenchy will or would’ve played for us next year anyway. But who knows, if Church gets on a tear after the change of scenery…
There is a small chance that even a horrible hitter like Francoeur will get better after leaving horrible hitting coach extraordinaire TP behind.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah……maybe Frenchy will turn it around in New York………..(muffled laughter)
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dunno
FYF might turn it around and we will look like idiots
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church is much better defensively, actually
by bigjoe on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Much?
Are you looking at +/-? UZR has it as a near wash, and then there’s Francouer’s arm.
by Yakker on Jul 10, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
UZR includes arm rating and still has Church as a slight upgrade.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A near wash? How so?
CHONE’s defensive projections, heading into 2009, had Church at +5 runs in a corner spot and Frenchy at -1 runs at a corner spot. Combo of UZR, TotalZone, and Tango’s Fans Scouting Report.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Didn’t know that Chone’s defensive projections were a combo stat. Do you know if there’s any actually projection in his formula for age, etc.?
Also, I wonder if the other metrics beyond UZR encompass arm ratings. There’s much still I need to learn about defensive metrics, it seems. I’m still running off of old UZR/150, before the arm adjustment.
by Yakker on Jul 12, 2009 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the ESPN conversation page...
People are actually talking about FYF’s upside and saying that the Mets got the better end of this deal.
One guy said that Wren should be fired for this.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Some braves’ “fans” there are saying that they hope Frenchy comes back in Free Agency!
OMG Some of our fans are STUPID!!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i expected this reaction, unfortunately
they must have been in hibernation for a few years
by Cracker! on Jul 10, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your first problem is reading the comments on the ESPN conversation page…they’re almost as bad as YouTube.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+ 1
ESPN has turned into the MTV of the sports scene. Does that make any sense?
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sadly, that makes tons of sense!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW!!!
Just wait and see how HARD Frenchy gets Booed when he comes into town. I’m gonna LOVE it! He just might cry from behing jeered that hard in the area that he grew up in.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
get the Whaaaambulance ready.
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is good for McCann
Now McCann can really unleash the beast without having to worry about outshining his buddy!!!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Chipper is secretly breathing the biggest sigh of relief.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MetsBlog is completely for the trade while Amazin Avenue absolutely hates it. Interesting.
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They’ve come up with some pretty lulzy comments over there. Props to them!
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is funny
From comments I have read, some “fans” think they are getting FYF from 06 and 07!!!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What’s even funnier is that the FYF from ’06 and ’07 is no better than what Church did last year, and not tremendously better than what Church is doing this year.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MetsBlog is more for hardcore fans that are going to always be optimistic. I read it pretty often just to see what they’re saying and Matt Cerrone does an AMAZING job with it. Great stuff no matter what team you pull for.
by MTSU11 on Jul 10, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, you're kinda completely incorrect.
As a Met fan, Metsblog is mocked throughout Mets blogs as the SNY shill. It is populated by morons.
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by squid92 on Jul 11, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s low risk for the Mets, if he’s terrible they don’t have to be re-sign him. Still, they didn’t need to give up Church (not that he is a superstar or anything).
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its only low-risk if they’re not expecting to win this year. Giving him a starting job is in-and-of-itself a huge risk, especially in Citi Field.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One reply said that they will miss Church’s arm… that’s good news for us. I was worried about losing Frenchy’s good arm, but hopefully we’re gaining another. Anyone know about Church’s arm?
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Watched him play a ton and he has a really great arm. Not losing much in that department.
by MTSU11 on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've seen almost every game since the Mets acquired him.
Frenchy may be the only outfielder in the Majors with a better arm. Maybe Ankiel…
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by Schmidtxc on Jul 10, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brett Gardner has an amazing arm
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by squid92 on Jul 11, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are u serious….his arm is good… but Francouer’s arm is ridiculously strong.. as is Ankiel. Gardner doesnt belong anywhere near that discussion.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 11, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Accuracy is pretty underrated compared to arm strength.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 11, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but the discussion was about arm STRENGTH… i agree accuracy is as important if not more so… but thats not the discussion (as I have construed it)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 13, 2009 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fangraphs
Dave Cameron did an amazing piece on this about a week or so ago. Much of it was new (and surprising) information (to me).
by Yakker on Jul 12, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just read it and it was interesting. I had an article bookmarked a while back about arm accuracy invovling putouts and Holds (keeping a runner from advancing).. i think it said Pence had the best arm for 2008.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 13, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As has already been stated, this is going to open the door for Heyward when he’s ready. Frenchy may turn it around with the change of scenary but this is a deal that had to be done. He just wasn’t going to turn it around in ATL. My brother’s a huge Muts fan and we watch all the games on the Extra Innings package and I’ve always liked watching Church play. Tough guy that can really hit at times.
by MTSU11 on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He hit Esco's leg with his head really hard!!!
I hope there are no hard feelings there!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That shot of Yunel is probably hanging in his house somewhere. He has Church to thank for it.
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was all Church's fault, ps. He was trying to throw Yunel off and got pwned
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel like Church is pretty clutch…any word on that? He seems like a hard nosed good character guy. I think he’ll do well out of the crazy circus that is the Mets. He’ll like playing for Bobby.
So, all that’s left is for Wren to trade Pendleton and Moylan and we might have another dynasty on our hands. LOL
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Keep Moylan, get a real hitting coach.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to say if he’s a good character guy cause it’s been stated several times that he was not liked in the Mets clubhouse. Hopefully he just didn’t like New York. Always seemed like a good guy to me.
by MTSU11 on Jul 10, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pretty sure you have to be latin in order to be liked in the Mets clubhouse.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
or be really good at giving DWright head. He doesn’t like biters.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Church is an awesome guy. If he’s not liked in the Mets clubhouse, that says a lot about the rest of the Mets.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Jul 11, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said it before, and I say again: The Mets are a bunch of chumps.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not statistically...
He’s been below-average in the clutch every year since ’06
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
would anyone else be surprised if Church is part of a trade later on this month?
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We’ve got shitloads of options and I’m happy now.
…….Still can’t believe we lost that game last nite. Feck you, Atkins.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was thinking the same thing...
Are we just going to package him with someone else and ship him out?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldnt mind.
To be honest we still will have an average offense.
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Johnson, Church, Moylan
Could we move those three for a power bat?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still say Medlen and Kotch for V-Mart
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice idea...
and then trade
B. Hicks
R. Church
Craig Kimbrel
to Tonroto for
Alex Rios…
gives us a lineup of:
Escobar – SS
McCluth – CF
Chipper – 3B
VMart – 1B
McCann – C
Rios – RF
GFA/Diaz – LF
Prado/Infante – 2B
and when Heyward is ready, we can move Rios to LF and VMart can walk and we get draft picks and Freeman steps in…
go do it Wren…
shit, i just went blind.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 11, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ah my goodness
too much to handle lol.
although i would rather
McLouth
Rios
Chip
VMart
Mac
Esco
LFer
2B
Problem is Rios’ contract
by drumzalicious on Jul 11, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
which is big...
…but the guy’s only 25 and, could, turn into a Vlad imposter for a few years.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 11, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
.......Omar Infante returns soon.....
He and Prado are the freaking dynamic duo.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When Infante returns, what do you see the playing time arrangement as?
Prado playing 60% at second, the rest at 1st, with Infante playing most of the remaining at second base?
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar and Chipper "platooning"
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you taking chipper out of the everyday lineup?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nah, Chipper’s body takes him out of the everyday lineup every now and then
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
knock on wood
He has not had any major missed time this year!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh sure.
…..yet. Nothing against Chip, that’s just the way it is.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Church is in such a great position too. Even if he comes in and underperforms, he won’t be crucified because Braves fans will say, “Well, could be worse, he could be Francoeur”
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Completely and utterly shocked...one-for-one for Jeff Francoeur.
I just hope he doesn’t turn it around on us.
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by Jareth Cutestory on Jul 10, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All our guys know how to pitch him, and he can’t/won’t make long-term adjustments.
I aint scurred.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Three high fast balls?
You know…you probably don’t even have to throw the ball. Just wind up and act like you are throwing and the guy would hack away!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
3 breaking balls away…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pretty much anything that isn’t a belt high hanging slider. He can’t hit anything else.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just glad I don’t have to see that “Tom Cruise-like” grimmace every time he comes to the plate.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prima Donna without the Prima
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all got a glimpse into Frenchy’s soul when he was demoted last year. It reminded me of one of the guys on Cops that gets busted red-handed and is like, “Why the hell am I going to jail, man!?!?!”
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously
Is he completely oblivious to his stats when he walks out on the field each day? Does he feel like he deserves to be in the big leagues? I hate to say it, but this one time I agree with Ozzie Guillen when he says that players like him today would have never been getting playing time 10 years ago.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ozzie said that?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not specifically about Frenchy. He was referring to his own players who couldn’t hit but were still getting playing time due to their contracts, expectations, etc.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how dare you speak heresy about the Golden boy!?!
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Somebody understood something Ozzie said?
by Lizziebeth on Jul 10, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he does, oh well. He certainly wasn’t going to turn it around with us.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
Frenchy is excited about going to New York. On the phone had a lot of excitement apparently.
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
well good
the feeling is mutual then!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
where did you hear that?
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you catch that behind the back (lucky) MAGIC against the Dodgers on Wed?
That was ri-cock-ulous.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
yeah…it was a pretty sweet (albeit lucky) play.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure that wasn’t his wife excited aboot all that NY shopping?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that won’t last long if he doesn’t get signed for anything after this season.
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you Jeff
….for not signing that long term deal,
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by Darin H on Jul 10, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the Braves were real lucky this off-season in the things they weren’t able to do, i.e. Peavy
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, what’s lost in the whole situation is this. I think this is the beginning of the fanbase turning on him, as he turned down a lot of money (that McCann was happy to take) and it seemed at the time that he was being very greedy.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schafer to CF, McLouth to a corner, and Church is main part of platoon with Anderson.
Bats start to rebound, pitching continues to shine, and defense is much improved. Braves overtake Phillies for NL East crown. Omar Minaya fired September 24th, day after Mets eliminated from playoff contention.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Uhhh…I think Schafer is gonna be rehabbing for the rest of the season in the minors.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fine. McLouth is the man. And Diaz is clutch as well.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude didn't hit much worse than Anderson when he was up...
(Or am I missing an injury?)
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, keep forgetting the no-titles thing here.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, you’re missing an injury. Schafer has a bum wrist that has been bugging him for a good part of the season (I don’t remember when or how it occured). Currently he’s been shelved in AAA. But I do like your plan! Except the firing of Omar. They need to keep him as long as they can.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury…been bugging him since the first week of the season. And he was hitting .220 when he was sent down.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for that. Any other minor league guys like Schafer would struggle a bit with the bat, but be plus defenders in CF? That’s more valuable than GA…
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously?
He was WAY worse than Anderson was/is! And yes, Schafer has an injury that is still flaring up in AAA from time to time.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of June 12th, Schafer’s wOBA was ten points worse than Anderson’s.
Link.
Right now, the difference is .030 points. Anderson has rebounded towards expectations. Schafer could have done the same given more time. His minor league track record is solid.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but his K rate was outrageous. Schafer has a decent minor league track record, but so do hundreds of other MLB players who could never put it together. Anderson was a much better bet due to his MLB track record.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And hundreds of MLB players stop hitting and retire.
I agree GA was the better bet offensively. But defense probably made Schafer the better player.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All in all, Schafer’s career batting numbers will probably look really similar to GA’s if he stays relatively healthy. But he has better speed and plays much better defense, so if he becomes what he projects to be, he’ll end up being a better major leaguer by the time he’s done.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
except for the fact that Schafer had more walks in less than half a season than Anderson’s career average. And the fact that Schafer has more power already as a 22 year old. So i dont see how they are remotely similar
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 10, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure we are talking about which will be the better player, but rather which would be the better player this year. Schafer SHOULD end up having a career much better than Anderson’s, but this year, I think Anderson was the better option.
Schafer was looking downright pitiful on fastballs.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You've got your blinders on again
or are just simply missing the point. As good as GA has been lately, and as bad as Schafer’s offense was earlier, the two have had very similar overall value this year.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Jul 10, 2009 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Schafer in 50 games – .204 / .313 / .287 / .600
Anderson in 64 games – 273 / .304 / .400 / .704
Not spectacular for either one, but Anderson’s line is better.
If we are taking defense into consideration, then sure, Logan was better, but I was talking specifically about offense.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Schafer was battling against some wrist injuries, so he wouldn’t necessarily have rebounded without getting healthier. But he’ll probably be a decent major league hitter next year if he’s able to rehab and get some work in with Gwinnett later this season.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah he did.
WAY worse
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why would Church platoon with anderson
arent they both lefties
by esadb on Jul 10, 2009 9:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, ignore that, then, thanks.
I had been thinking that Frenchy and GA should have platooned, but it doesn’t work with Church being a lefty. Moving on…
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I told my girlfriend she has to pick a new favorite player now.
"Here comes Bream! Here's the throw to the plate! He is...safe! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!...Braves win!"
by jug on Jul 10, 2009 7:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All the girls on my facebook newsfeed are crying about the trade…
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…..it’s just the “Tom Cruise-like” thing….
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Her criteria is different than mine. Much, much different.
"Here comes Bream! Here's the throw to the plate! He is...safe! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!...Braves win!"
by jug on Jul 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This girl is not crying about the trade. Those girls just have no taste. LOL!
by AndiRose on Jul 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I can’t blame ‘em. When I watch women’s volleyball, that last thing on my mind is volleyball. lol
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll take an average-looking but decent outfielder over an attractive, sub .700 OPS one anyday.
by coldriver10 on Jul 10, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much would it suck if the media and MLB came out and said, just kidding, Braves fans… this didn’t really happy. jk! I would cry a little bit.
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 7:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Or...
Oh, wait. The Mets FO can’t possibly be that stupid. A prospect named Zeke Spruill has been included in the trade.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not funny
http://nomorespin-sports.blogspot.com
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When I first saw the article on yahoo news, my first thought was, “Is it April Fools?!?!”
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mets fans are killing us. They’ve made over 330 comments about this trade on Amazin’ Avenue, while we’re sitting at about 220. :-)
Funny how everyone has been talking about trading this guy on this blog for 3 months (longer than that, really) and when it happens, a rival blog has more to say about it than we do.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You do know that New York is a slightly larger market right?
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That, and if I was a Mutts fan, I would be flipping shit. They’re in the division. They know what’s up.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really just a jest, though they’re managing to keep a very good flow going in the trade thread despite that they have an active game thread conversation going as well.
This conversation will probably pick up even more when Braves Live! comes on and the few people living under/around rocks catch up to the fact that he’s been traded.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we just traded Kotchman for jose guillen, we would have about 500 comments…I think that is a good comparison.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My friend (Red Sox fan) sent me a text that said, “Church is a slight upgrade” I hadn’t even heard the trade and immediately I knew he was referring to Frenchy. I feel like a burden as been lifted from my chest.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I loved Frenchy and rooted for him...
….until he showed himself to be a crying, whiny little bitch. He complains about getting sent down for 3 days (!!!), talks about the unimportance of OBP, recently was quoted as saying he “hopes he gets his shot somewhere” (as if the last 4 years haven’t been enough of a shot), and just seems to refuse to take any responsibility for his struggles. Give me a break.
I wish him luck but am not disappointed to see him go. Which is sad considering he used to be my favorite Brave.
by coldriver10 on Jul 10, 2009 8:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Frenchy's biggest enemy is Frenchy.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
this
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't belive it.
Just poured a nice tall Bourbon/Coke. It tastes better than usual. Here’s to you, Mr. Wren.
by Hobnail_Boot on Jul 10, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought acquiring McLouth was the highlite of the year………..I was wrong. Very, Very wrong.
And if loving Frank Wren is wrong, I don’t wanna be right. lmao
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Acquiring Church doesn’t compete with acquiring McLouth, but saying Good-Bye to Frenchy trumps all.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
right
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Works for both teams...
Church wasn’t playing too much anyway. Realistically you have seen all that Church is capable of doing. It is possible that they COULD get more out of Frechy. Perhaps a change of scenery does help him. So for given that they aren’t paying any more for him they get a defensive upgrade and maybe trade bait later this month?
That being said-I think Wren was smart to do what he could do to move him. Do I think Church is an impact bat? No. However a Platoon of Church and Diaz can be a league average OFer if the cards fall right. My only concern is that having Church platoon with Diaz leaves Anderson as the fulltime LF.
by calbers on Jul 10, 2009 8:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anderson wont be fulltime once Infante comes back.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does everyone think that Infante is going to platoon in LF?
DId I miss something?
by calbers on Jul 10, 2009 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. Just compare Infante’s average to Anderson’s. Then try and remember how good Infante is at the top of the lineup and the ability of actually having someone with power batting behind Chipper and McCann (McLouth). Need I say more?
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If by works for both teams, you mean that the Mets will have to spend less time playing baseball in a losing season, (because Francoeur will help them make more outs faster) then yes, it works for them.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best thing this trade does for us is it gets Francoeur out of the lineup EVERY day. Who cares if Church is playing or not. Our fatal flaw was consistently putting a .250 hitter with no power and no walks in the lineup.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 8:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We could be awesome
with a platoon of Diaz/Church in RF.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brian Jordan doesn’t think it’s a good trade.
by Gage23 on Jul 10, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pshh.
I dont think he’s a good analyst.
by pancanbra on Jul 10, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s thinking from a friend’s point of view, not a business point of view.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Simpson > Chip Caray > Ron Gant > Brian Jordan > Mark Fein
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that list but for one thing: Caray shouldn’t even be listed. I’d rather listen to my mom’s kindergarten class commentate on a game than hear Chip.
"These two teams are constantly going at each other verbally. You know, win with class, lose with class. Just keep your mouth shut and go play your game."--Chipper Jones, commenting on the Muts/Phaillies verbal girl fight.
by King Size on Jul 10, 2009 8:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's annoying
And he says stupid stuff…but listening to him is still usually better than those games where Ron Gant is filling in. And I’d take Gant easily over Jordan, so.
Apologies to Boog on that list, who is basically = Joe Simpson.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boog is awful. Joe Simpson has become a worse announcer by being paired with him.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Jul 11, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually Boog is probably one of the best announcers in the game. He knows his shit and keeps the conversation going.
by 17843 on Jul 11, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only thing with Boog
is that he sometimes has an agenda and will push it during his broadcast. Now almost always his agenda is something I agree with, like “Well why should you have a different approach in a different spot in the batting order? The objective is always to get on base, right?” But you still shouldn’t attempt to overly assert a point of view while calling play by play, even if you have an insightful one. It’s too much like hosting a radio show.
But that’s not really a big complaint, he’s still my favorite (tied with Joe). He does his research, he has numbers to talk about, and he has fun doing his job, which it makes it fun to listen to him.
by Bronn on Jul 11, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure, but other announcers have their own agenda to push during a broadcast, they just regurgitate the same bullshit.
I agree with everything you have to say in the second paragraph. We’re very lucky to have a smart, informed broadcaster and an experienced baseball guy for him to work with. Beats listening to a lot of other team’s stiffs.
by 17843 on Jul 11, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could not disagree more. The guy is brutal. He’s not Rob Dibble bad, but he’s awful. Back when the Braves had good announcers, they’d call the game first, talk about everything else second. It was like radio, you could close your eyes and tell what was going on. You know who was at the plate, who was pitching, the count, how many out, the inning. This guy just babbles on about whatever like it’s more important than the game.
Baseball on TV is already flawed since your at the mercy of whatever camera angle they choose to show you, and if they decide to show stuff like the score and count and player’s names on the screen. When you’ve got a guy as inept at the play by play as Boog, it makes things even worse. The guy is terrible and I feel bad that Joe Simpson is making himself a worse announce to accomodate him.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Jul 11, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Radio is radio. There should be less emphasis on describing the action for TV guys because you’re seeing what is happening. Boog seems to understand this and fills time by talking about things that baseball fans might be interested in. There’s nothing interesting or really useful about a play-by-play guy who does nothing but tell you what’s going on. I’m watching the game and paying attention; I know the score, who’s up, usually what the count is, etc. I’d rather listen to someone talk about UZR.
And there’s a difference between being bad at describing on-field action and not being capable of broadcasting a baseball game intelligently (Dibble, Phillips, etc.).
by 17843 on Jul 11, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To each his own. When I’m watching the game I’m watching it too. But rather than hearing about baseball, I get his nonsense. I don’t like him, he doesn’t talk about the game.
I’m sure you’ve got some statistic to prove me wrong though.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Jul 11, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 12, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You must hate our new radio guys, then.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's versatile, too.
He calls a good b-ball game to boot.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was gonna give you a +1, but then Chip mentioned that you were pitching a no-hitter.
by Hobnail_Boot on Jul 10, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Chip needs to make his own name, rather than repeatdly quoting his dad and granddad.
BUT, he does have a good sense of humor. And Ron Gant has gotten alot better. He cut out alot of the “you knows” and “like I said’s”
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I still can't get...
…that there’s plenty of announcers who don’t see the fun in playing along with the “jinxing” deal.
I watch a lot of Hawks games on Sportsouth, and Bob Rathbun isn’t great, but if he starts talking about how good a free throw shooter a man is and that guy misses one, he acknowledges it and laughs. He doesn’t really think he magically altered the universe by talking about it, but it’s good announcing.
There’s so many ways in which you can make allusion to the no-hitter and still go along with the jinxing joke. Like thus:
“Let me phrase this carefully-there’s a 0 in a conspicuous place on the scoreboard and it’s the 6th inning.”
“I’m not going to use the P word, but it’s the 5th inning and no one has reached base.”
“I’m avoiding using a particular word, but just know that if David Wright gets a hit here, it will be the Mets’ first hit.”
All of those are acceptable, clearly present the in-game situation, and don’t take the fun out of it.
by Bronn on Jul 10, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good job Mr. Wren.
Aaron King is still my homeboy... iffy mechanics and all
If Dustin Pedroia played in Seattle, not many people would be talking about him.
GET THAT VORP SH!T OUTTA HERE!!!
by baetown415 on Jul 10, 2009 9:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just tried to trade FYF
to the mets on mlb 09 the show for ps3 to acquire ryan church..and they told me to “get focked”..frank wren worked a good deal. I feel awful for frenchy now though, lost his swing, lost his team, now he has to play in NEW YARK, ontop of that ShittyField isn’t going to help his numbers..Next week will be awesome to see FYF suck in something other than a Braves uniform.
by SidKotchman on Jul 11, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It sucks for him.....but the only person that got Frenchy traded is Frenchy.
And the Mets……haha. nvm. Good luck.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tried the same trade on Baseball Mogul 2010
And got laughed at.
by Chopaholic on Jul 11, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love this trade. Even ignoring the FYF side of things, I’m a huge Ryan Church fan. He’s been one of my favorite MLB players for a while. I was pissed when he got sent to the Mets. The guy is a class act, he treats the fans great, and even better, he hustles his ass off on the field. I don’t get what other teams haven’t seen in him, I know that Frank Robinson didn’t like him cause he wasn’t a veteran, and I’m assuming that not being Latino and actually having accountability doomed him in New York. The guy isn’t an amazing player, but he’s a very solid one and a huge upgrade to our lineup. Omar Minyana is a moron, Frank Wren might be a genius. Go Braves!
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Jul 11, 2009 1:40 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like a good fit with Bobby and the Braves to me. And yeah, a prerequisite to be a Metropolitan is you have to be a douchebag, which sucks for Frenchy, because he’s not a douchebag. He just isn’t as smart as he should be.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve watched him play for a number of years. He kinda reminds me of Mark Derosa. Guy who plays hard, does what is asked of him, plays within his capabilities, and does the little things to contribute to a win.
by kalesi on Jul 11, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, agreed, agreed.
I’ve always loved Church as a player, even while he was playing as a rival against us. A good guy to get, and any time you can get a guy with a career 108 OPS+ for a guy with a career 87 OPS+ that’s cheaper and plays the same position, well I think that’s just about a no-brainer upgrade.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m assuming that not being Latino and actually having accountability doomed him in New York.
I get the latter part, care to expand on the former part?
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
by FrankyWren on Jul 12, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Omar Minyana loves Latinos. He tries to get as many of them as he can at every level of the organization. And he’ll be loyal to them to a fault. We had the Mets AAA team her in Norfolk forever and I can’t tell you how many non-Latino guys would comment on how they couldn’t get a shot because they weren’t named Hernandez or Ramirez or Martinez. Sure, some of those guys didn’t deserve a shot, but there were a number of times I saw a Latin player get preference, either with playing time or a promotion, over a non-Latino who was clearly a better player.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Jul 12, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t he try to play the Latin card on a free agent this offseason, and really pissed them off?
by bigjoe on Jul 12, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My friend and I had a joke
That Minaya is actually homeless. Especially during the off-season, it seems like every Hot Stove period, Minaya is over at some hot free agent’s house during the holiday, trying to woo them into signing with the Mets. It’s like he spent a winter at Pedro Martinez’s house in the DR one time, he was over at Carlos Delgado’s house in PR, and spent one winter in Venezuela trying to, and successfully extend Johan Santana.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jul 12, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotcha ... which makes Sheff's signing even more ridiculous/ironic
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
by FrankyWren on Jul 12, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have always liked Ryan Church, except when he was playing us.It seemed he always got a clutch hit or made a great catch that made a difference in us winning or losing.
I’m happy to have him on our team now. I think the Guy is underrated, and he will surprise some with his talents!
I also wish Frenchy and his wife the best in NY. This is going to be quite and adjustment for a country boy from Ga,
I hope we can drop the insults, now that he’s gone.
by HEYJUDE on Jul 11, 2009 1:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…….It’s just so weird. Right after we acquired Nate, we played the Pirates. What are the freaking odds? I guess it’s good in the same way it’s good to jump into the pool, as opposed to slowly easing into it.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m obviously a huge fan of this trade. A replacement level player would’ve been around a win upgrade over Francoeur over the rest of the season. Instead, we got someone who should be around a win over replacement. Church’s power hasn’t been there this season, but that’s on account of a ridiculous HR/FB rate. Whether it’s the ballpark or steady recovery from missing a lot of last year, he should hit for more power in Atlanta and at least will hit and get on-base at normal rates. His defense is also very solid.
I don’t like that this probably makes Wren think we shouldn’t add another bat, but this is a win-win for us. Francoeur is going to the Mets and we get an upgrade in right field.
by 17843 on Jul 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Saw this over on AA. Priceless.
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
by TennKen on Jul 11, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
absolutely fantastic.
7/10/09-A New Dawn.
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 11, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should be rounder.
Nobody questions the man’s ability to get to and from the dugout.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Failcoeur!
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jul 11, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHAHA
i love that one…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he starts off well
Gets a nice catch in the first inning.
Gets a 2 RBI bloop single as well in his first AB
by drumzalicious on Jul 11, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
as bad as this trade was
i dont think it distressed anyone enough to make them quit
by Doghnut on Jul 12, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Royals are still a team?!?
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 12, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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