Frenchy has been traded!
by KC Ryan on Jul 10, 2009 6:04 PM EDT
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PrintJeff Francouer has been traded to the Muts for Ryan Church. Happy, Happy, Joy, Joy. No more FYF. Praise the Lord. Does this move make us much better? Probably not, but at least we don't have to put up with Frenchy's sorry ass any more. Church might actually make us a better team and he for sure will lower our frustration level. I'm sooooo happy!! What do you guys think about Ryan Church. Is he an upgrade?
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Frenchy
Frenchy will prob start rakin now that he has a new scene…He just needed a new hitting coach and a new coach..How much longer can Frank put up with Terry P doing absoulutly nothing with this bunch!!!
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Jul 11, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yep
I just checked the stats for todays Mets game and Frenchy was 2 for 4 with 2 RBI’s…He will prob murder the Braves now but the Bravos did the right thing by moving him…
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Jul 11, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll believe it when I see it. Frenchy likes to do what Frenchy does.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, because Rudy Jaramillo worked wonders with him.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 3:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I
call BS. Why would the Mets bail us out?
No BS
Heard it on MLB Network then went straight to MLB Traderumors then here.
Frank Wren is a miracle worker for pulling this one off!
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
Good Job Frank
Frank did a pretty good job as I actually like Church, as he plays his ass off….Now if he would just put Terry P on the road if would be great!!! Come on Frank, you can do it!!!
Roll Tide Roll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by Sabanholic on Jul 11, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Frank Wren is a sneaky bastard
Making NYM deal with Failcoeur just made them a bit worse.
+2 Braves
-1 Mets
60% of the time, it works every time
Heck I would have taken a bag of used bats
Addition by subtraction is an upgrade!
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
Wow….I mean, this is what we all wanted but….feels kinda wierd. Like that really bad relationship you cant seem to get out of. Or that wierd feeling you get when you have to wake up and go to work, leaving that floozy you met in the bar last night sleeping in your bed.
Know what I mean?
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions
This is like seeing the abusive ex get hauled away by the police while you’re crying into the shoulder of you’re new, perfect boyfriend while your family stands around patting your shoulder
+100000
HAHAHAHAHHAHHAA
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions
Amendment...
This is like seeing the abusive ex get hauled away by the police while you’re crying into flipping him the finger and grinning broadly over the shoulder of you’re new, perfect boyfriend while your family stands around patting your shoulder.
Oh yeah, we were talking about Frenchy, weren’t we? Ah, I will miss the muppet-run.
Hahaha
It’s Ryan Church not Burt Reynolds.
"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"
by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jul 11, 2009 9:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Not sure if it is an updgrade or not, but the moves makes some sense as it seems like the Mets have been down on Church ever since he and Escobar collided last year.
A change of scenery may prove good for both players…..let’s just hope it does not come back to bite us being the he was traded to the Mets.
If you need a reminder of that Church concussion, take a peek at my pic.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions
y r Braves fans so picky?
this is insane. We got rid of Francoeur, got an outfielder who will probably slug around .440 with us. That is exactly what we needed. He’s a guy that won’t suck at the end of the order, I don’t care if he hits left-handed, right-handed, or what at this point because beggars can’t be choosers.
I don't get it either
Some are complaining Church is injury prone … hell, even if he misses the rest of the year we’ve still improved our team by getting rid of FYF.
“Church has no power” – What? Exactly how much power did Frenchy give us?
Good grief!!!
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
If we traded Francoeur for Pujols, I imagine comments like these would follow:
Francoeur is 5 years younger than Pujols. I don’t want our team to get older.
Why would anyone want Pujols? His elbow is going to blow any day now and we’ll be stuck with the bill.
Great now the rest of the offense is going to start slacking because they think Pujols is going to carry the team. I’d rather have a balanced, team-orientated lineup than one that destroys team chemistry by pandering to a superstar.
Now Freeman has no future on the team.
by VictorW on Jul 10, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Who are you?
don’t you know that noobs cant just come in here and start giving away points? You have to have tenure here…
although, your name looks familiar for some reason….
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 11, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
A league-average hitter who plays solid defense?
How do you figure?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Isn't that still a lot better than right handed, no power whatsoever?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 5:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Over what period?
Since ’07, Church has slugged 40 points higher (and 30 of that is ISO.)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
Anyone who calls the Mets the Muts or the Phillies the Phaillies, or really uses any “witty derogatory nickname” for other teams is fucking retarded.
in unrelated news, the fact that Wren was able to trade Francoeur for someone with major league experience who has at least shown flashes of decency is so admirable that my respect for the guy has increased 10-fold. Great trade for the Braves.
Anyone who calls the Mets the Muts or the Phillies the Phaillies, or really uses any "witty derogatory nickname" for other teams is fucking retarded.
Ive been wanting to say this for a long long time.
And all of this...
from someone whose User Name is Dr. Donkey Punch. Classy.
But I agree, great trade.
I call the Met's Mut's
I must be retarded. I am not MD of Donkey Punching or anything, but I used to think I had alot going for me.
I prefer “Anyone who makes blanket statements about people on a team based web site is fucking retarded”
by Sid Bream's Moustache on Jul 11, 2009 12:32 AM EDT up reply actions
The Mutts and Thillies both suck at life (.)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Derogatory? Like using the word “retarded” to call someone stupid?
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
I wouldn't call it particularly witty.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Thillies is worse
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I really like this deal
and not just because it gets rid of Frenchy. Church’s only real problem has been a lack of power this season, but can that be attributed to his cavernous home park? Here are his home/away splits.
Home: .216/.297/.278 in 97 at-bats
Away: .326/.359/.444 in 135 at-bats
We’ve seen what that park does to hitters and he has a history of being much better than he has this season.
I hope Bobby puts their lockers right next to eachother, Enjoy the awkwardness.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
........YES
Maybe Church doesn’t remember it……?
I joke, I joke. I kid, I kid.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I felt bad for Church after that play, but it’s blatantly obvious he was at fault there.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
amazing, he is an upgrade
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 10, 2009 6:19 PM EDT reply actions
hasnt he had injury problems
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 10, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions
I don’t k now how I feel about this, I don’t know too much about Church, but another LH bat? But I guess a guy hitting .280 is better than one hitting .250 without power no matter which way he bats.
god yes
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Frenchy is perfect for the Mets
Welcome to the land of underacheiving failures, mr francoeur.
But agreed, it feels kind of weird. Especially since he is a lifetime Brave. I do wish him well.
FW for executive of the year
A straight up trade that gets rid of an automatic out and gets us back something even platoon worthy in RF = awesome.
More ABs for Matty Diaz!
I’ve been wanting to see Francoeur go as much as anybody, but giving him to the Mets makes me feel uneasy. I guess it seems almost impossible that he could turn it around, but if he somehow did it would be the worst thing of all time. I don’t feel like Church gives us anything really, though hopefully I’m wrong about that.
Another reason this deal makes sense: he’s only under team control for 2010 after this year. Don’t we have some stud prospect that will be ready by then?
Actually, he's arb eligible for the next TWO seasons (although surely you know by now)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:33 AM EDT up reply actions
why isn't this on the front page?!
the whole world needs to see our happiness!
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 10, 2009 6:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
im ont 21 but you could bring me some if you like.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by Scott Coleman on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
HA!!
Check out what I just found over at amazinavenue.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/5/11/872539/careful-with-that-axe-frenchy
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions
Its funny
to see the difference in reactions from the two forums:
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/10/945143/mets-trade-church-for-frenchy
This thread on Amazin Avenue is Awesome
I’m gaining so much respect for Mets’ fans.
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/10/945143/mets-trade-church-for-frenchy
I know. I wish I didnt have to wait a full day before I can comment on their page.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
HELL FUCKIN YES!!!
WTF is Manaya thinking???
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:33 PM EDT reply actions
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2009/07/mets-trade-church-to-braves-la.html
WE GOT CASH TOO!??!?!??!?!
HAHAHAHA
WREN IS A GOD!!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Every article I’ve read that mentions money says the Mets are paying us.
NJ dot com – for one.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
Ugh
Problem is we have to deal with him every time the Mets come to ATL.
I just hope FW doesnt think this solves our OF problems.
Sorry but I have to
Problem is we have to deal with him every time the Mets come to ATL.
Good news for us, that’s an automatic out every 9th batter.
I just hope FW doesnt think this solves our OF problems.
But it kinda does, doesn’t it.
I’m just funning you, I know what you meant. Some players come back to haunt their original teams after being traded and no, Ryan Church, is not the impact bat we needed but you have to be excited that we got something for FYF.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
Nick Green
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
that is a good thing
note to pitchers: 3 curveballs away….
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions
http://www.amazinavenue.com/2009/7/10/945182/mets-trade-ryan-church-for-jeff#comments
LMAO! Look at their comments on the deal.
I kinda feel bad for Met fa….FUCK THAT. Wooohooo!
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
I’m dreaming…i’m dreaming…someone wake me up. pinch me…
HOLY HELL THIS IS AWESOME!!!
Wren is such a genius! Not only do we get rid of our worst player, we make one of our division rivals worse in the process!!!
HAHAHAHHAHA!!!
The Mets ownership is just trying to compete with the KC Royals for worst move of the week!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:44 PM EDT reply actions
Someone tell the Mets no-givsies-backsies.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 6:46 PM EDT reply actions
HAHAHA!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions
umm....
picture him trying to hit a HR anywhere.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
this
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Comapre the last two years and half of this one between these two.
Church 2007: .272/.349/.464, 114 OPS+, 23.7 VORP, 2.9 WAR
Church 2008: .276/.346/.439, 106 OPS+, 8.7 VORP, 1.6 WAR (in 90 games)
Church 2009: .280/.332/.375, 88 OPS+, 3.1 VORP, 0.4 WAR
Frenchy 2007: .293/.338/.444, 103 OPS+, 20.0 VORP, 3.6 WAR
Frenchy 2008: .239/.294/.359, 73 OPS+, 3.5 VORP, -1.3 WAR
Frenchy 2009: .250/.282/.352, 60 OPS+, -7.1 VORP, -0.6 WAR
And we got cash, too? AWESOME!
http://bravesheart.com/2009/07/10/ok-some-analysis/
A little bit of analysis thats been already elaborated here. Gondeee is a little slow on the bal today
Does this mean that we have a Diaz/Church platoon in right?
Diaz obviously has demolished lefties and Church has nearly an .800 OPS against righties while playing half of his games at citi field where his overall numbers are miserable. This platoon could end up putting up some pretty good numbers.
Your welcome, Braves fans
Omar Minaya is total jagov
by James Kannengieser on Jul 10, 2009 6:58 PM EDT reply actions
Sorry dude
I think I feel more sorry for you guys than I do KC fans today.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 6:59 PM EDT up reply actions
WOW
I am SOOOOO happy right now. Church is clearly a better player. But woe is me for I still have to live with Frenchy EVERY SINGLE DAY. Haha. Go figure. I LOVE THE MOVE!
Yunel is the Queen of Hearts
Holy shit. lol
Hopefully no mas ’Spotlight: Jeff Franceour"
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions
High five!
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
Signs point to yes!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:41 AM EDT up reply actions
After 3 doubles...
We probably got the last bit of juice FYF had. I would love to see GA in left, Church in right, with Diaz going back and forth. Each guy playing 2/3 of the time!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions
Ethier that or he had just turned a corner
…not
Pete Rose was actually banned from baseball for teaching Jeff Francoeur how to play. He made up the gambling stuff to hide his shame.
by VivaLosBravos on Jul 10, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno
. . . . hope not. that would really suck and we would look like idiots.
Maybe the Mets Flip FYF to the Royals for Gullien
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Is this the last move?
Will Wren still be looking to add a power bat? Or will he hope that if enough guys have high averages and OBPs then that will eventually equal runs?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:05 PM EDT reply actions
This is bittersweet. While I like that he’s gone, I have to admit that I hide a small soft spot for the loser. Now that he’s a Met it only confounds that, and he’s going to get crucified in New York. I feel bad for him.
Congrats
Ryan Church is a helluva player. He’s gotten out of our terrible organization and into a better one.
Frenchy is terrible and you guys fleeced us.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
Ya know, while he certainly played his way out of Atlanta, that whole ‘change of scenery’ thing might work for him. Who knows? I agree that its curious that this trade would happen, and I have NO idea what Minaya would see in Frenchy because he’s had a lot of exposure to him, but that whole ‘potential’ thing has a ring of truth to it. If nothing else, you guys have a new punching bag :).
Just…go easy on him if (when) he sucks.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I didn't go easy on him when I was thrilled that he was failing
Now it’s going to be much worse.
"I got my pregnant wife (the Yankee fan) with me. Hoping my kid learns to kick her everytime the Mets score." -Schifftis-
And Church gets to play with one of the guys that KO'd him last year
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t even know what to do with myself, I’m soooo happy!!!!! I can’t stop laughing, giggling like a school girl. This is sooo nice! Can’t wait to see Frenchy at the first homestand!!! I need to purchase a Failcoeur shirt before then.
This opens up a new market for the Failcoeur T-shirts. They’re already being advertised over at Amazin Ave.
"I bought a scratch-off ticket, but then I accidentally spilled some cortizone cream on it, so it did not need to be scratched."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jul 10, 2009 7:10 PM EDT reply actions
Francoeur playing at Citi Field, a failure playing at a stadium sponsored by another failure.
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions
Meet the Mets! Meet the Mets! Come on out and Greet the Mets!!!
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry to correct you, but you got the song all wrong. It’s “Meet the Mets, greet the Mets, step right up and beat the Mets.”
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I love how this one trade completely sent the Braves fanbase rejoicing and the Mets fanbase into riots. The only downside for the Braves is that Church is older and not as good defensively. But he hits for better average. The power numbers and strikeouts are basically a wash (Church strikes out a TON). But he has a higher OPS. I honestly don’t think either Church or Frenchy will or would’ve played for us next year anyway. But who knows, if Church gets on a tear after the change of scenery…
There is a small chance that even a horrible hitter like Francoeur will get better after leaving horrible hitting coach extraordinaire TP behind.
Yeah……maybe Frenchy will turn it around in New York………..(muffled laughter)
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions
i dunno
FYF might turn it around and we will look like idiots
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A near wash? How so?
CHONE’s defensive projections, heading into 2009, had Church at +5 runs in a corner spot and Frenchy at -1 runs at a corner spot. Combo of UZR, TotalZone, and Tango’s Fans Scouting Report.
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
Didn’t know that Chone’s defensive projections were a combo stat. Do you know if there’s any actually projection in his formula for age, etc.?
Also, I wonder if the other metrics beyond UZR encompass arm ratings. There’s much still I need to learn about defensive metrics, it seems. I’m still running off of old UZR/150, before the arm adjustment.
On the ESPN conversation page...
People are actually talking about FYF’s upside and saying that the Mets got the better end of this deal.
One guy said that Wren should be fired for this.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions
Some braves’ “fans” there are saying that they hope Frenchy comes back in Free Agency!
OMG Some of our fans are STUPID!!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Your first problem is reading the comments on the ESPN conversation page…they’re almost as bad as YouTube.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
+ 1
ESPN has turned into the MTV of the sports scene. Does that make any sense?
sadly, that makes tons of sense!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
BTW!!!
Just wait and see how HARD Frenchy gets Booed when he comes into town. I’m gonna LOVE it! He just might cry from behing jeered that hard in the area that he grew up in.
This is good for McCann
Now McCann can really unleash the beast without having to worry about outshining his buddy!!!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:20 PM EDT reply actions
They’ve come up with some pretty lulzy comments over there. Props to them!
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
That is funny
From comments I have read, some “fans” think they are getting FYF from 06 and 07!!!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions
What’s even funnier is that the FYF from ’06 and ’07 is no better than what Church did last year, and not tremendously better than what Church is doing this year.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions
MetsBlog is more for hardcore fans that are going to always be optimistic. I read it pretty often just to see what they’re saying and Matt Cerrone does an AMAZING job with it. Great stuff no matter what team you pull for.
Sorry, you're kinda completely incorrect.
As a Met fan, Metsblog is mocked throughout Mets blogs as the SNY shill. It is populated by morons.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
It’s low risk for the Mets, if he’s terrible they don’t have to be re-sign him. Still, they didn’t need to give up Church (not that he is a superstar or anything).
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Its only low-risk if they’re not expecting to win this year. Giving him a starting job is in-and-of-itself a huge risk, especially in Citi Field.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions
One reply said that they will miss Church’s arm… that’s good news for us. I was worried about losing Frenchy’s good arm, but hopefully we’re gaining another. Anyone know about Church’s arm?
I've seen almost every game since the Mets acquired him.
Frenchy may be the only outfielder in the Majors with a better arm. Maybe Ankiel…
"If I ever decide to do a book, I've already got the title...The bases were loaded and so was I."
-Jim Fregosi
by Stephen Schmidt on Jul 10, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
are u serious….his arm is good… but Francouer’s arm is ridiculously strong.. as is Ankiel. Gardner doesnt belong anywhere near that discussion.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Fangraphs
Dave Cameron did an amazing piece on this about a week or so ago. Much of it was new (and surprising) information (to me).
just read it and it was interesting. I had an article bookmarked a while back about arm accuracy invovling putouts and Holds (keeping a runner from advancing).. i think it said Pence had the best arm for 2008.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
As has already been stated, this is going to open the door for Heyward when he’s ready. Frenchy may turn it around with the change of scenary but this is a deal that had to be done. He just wasn’t going to turn it around in ATL. My brother’s a huge Muts fan and we watch all the games on the Extra Innings package and I’ve always liked watching Church play. Tough guy that can really hit at times.
He hit Esco's leg with his head really hard!!!
I hope there are no hard feelings there!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
That was all Church's fault, ps. He was trying to throw Yunel off and got pwned
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like Church is pretty clutch…any word on that? He seems like a hard nosed good character guy. I think he’ll do well out of the crazy circus that is the Mets. He’ll like playing for Bobby.
So, all that’s left is for Wren to trade Pendleton and Moylan and we might have another dynasty on our hands. LOL
Keep Moylan, get a real hitting coach.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Hard to say if he’s a good character guy cause it’s been stated several times that he was not liked in the Mets clubhouse. Hopefully he just didn’t like New York. Always seemed like a good guy to me.
or be really good at giving DWright head. He doesn’t like biters.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ryan Church is an awesome guy. If he’s not liked in the Mets clubhouse, that says a lot about the rest of the Mets.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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I’ve said it before, and I say again: The Mets are a bunch of chumps.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 11, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Not statistically...
He’s been below-average in the clutch every year since ’06
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:48 AM EDT up reply actions
would anyone else be surprised if Church is part of a trade later on this month?
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:29 PM EDT reply actions
We’ve got shitloads of options and I’m happy now.
…….Still can’t believe we lost that game last nite. Feck you, Atkins.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I was thinking the same thing...
Are we just going to package him with someone else and ship him out?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I wouldnt mind.
To be honest we still will have an average offense.
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Johnson, Church, Moylan
Could we move those three for a power bat?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I still say Medlen and Kotch for V-Mart
by drumzalicious on Jul 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
nice idea...
and then trade
B. Hicks
R. Church
Craig Kimbrel
to Tonroto for
Alex Rios…
gives us a lineup of:
Escobar – SS
McCluth – CF
Chipper – 3B
VMart – 1B
McCann – C
Rios – RF
GFA/Diaz – LF
Prado/Infante – 2B
and when Heyward is ready, we can move Rios to LF and VMart can walk and we get draft picks and Freeman steps in…
go do it Wren…
shit, i just went blind.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 11, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions
ah my goodness
too much to handle lol.
although i would rather
McLouth
Rios
Chip
VMart
Mac
Esco
LFer
2B
Problem is Rios’ contract
by drumzalicious on Jul 11, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
which is big...
…but the guy’s only 25 and, could, turn into a Vlad imposter for a few years.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jul 11, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
.......Omar Infante returns soon.....
He and Prado are the freaking dynamic duo.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
When Infante returns, what do you see the playing time arrangement as?
Prado playing 60% at second, the rest at 1st, with Infante playing most of the remaining at second base?
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Omar and Chipper "platooning"
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you taking chipper out of the everyday lineup?
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
nah, Chipper’s body takes him out of the everyday lineup every now and then
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions
knock on wood
He has not had any major missed time this year!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions
oh sure.
…..yet. Nothing against Chip, that’s just the way it is.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Completely and utterly shocked...one-for-one for Jeff Francoeur.
I just hope he doesn’t turn it around on us.
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by Jareth Cutestory on Jul 10, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions
All our guys know how to pitch him, and he can’t/won’t make long-term adjustments.
I aint scurred.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Three high fast balls?
You know…you probably don’t even have to throw the ball. Just wind up and act like you are throwing and the guy would hack away!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 10, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
no
3 breaking balls away…
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m just glad I don’t have to see that “Tom Cruise-like” grimmace every time he comes to the plate.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
We all got a glimpse into Frenchy’s soul when he was demoted last year. It reminded me of one of the guys on Cops that gets busted red-handed and is like, “Why the hell am I going to jail, man!?!?!”
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously
Is he completely oblivious to his stats when he walks out on the field each day? Does he feel like he deserves to be in the big leagues? I hate to say it, but this one time I agree with Ozzie Guillen when he says that players like him today would have never been getting playing time 10 years ago.
Ozzie said that?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
how dare you speak heresy about the Golden boy!?!
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Apparently
Frenchy is excited about going to New York. On the phone had a lot of excitement apparently.
well good
the feeling is mutual then!
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
where did you hear that?
http://nomorespin-sports.blogspot.com
by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you catch that behind the back (lucky) MAGIC against the Dodgers on Wed?
That was ri-cock-ulous.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
lol
yeah…it was a pretty sweet (albeit lucky) play.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure that wasn’t his wife excited aboot all that NY shopping?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
that won’t last long if he doesn’t get signed for anything after this season.
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
the Braves were real lucky this off-season in the things they weren’t able to do, i.e. Peavy
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, what’s lost in the whole situation is this. I think this is the beginning of the fanbase turning on him, as he turned down a lot of money (that McCann was happy to take) and it seemed at the time that he was being very greedy.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Schafer to CF, McLouth to a corner, and Church is main part of platoon with Anderson.
Bats start to rebound, pitching continues to shine, and defense is much improved. Braves overtake Phillies for NL East crown. Omar Minaya fired September 24th, day after Mets eliminated from playoff contention.
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That’s fine. McLouth is the man. And Diaz is clutch as well.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude didn't hit much worse than Anderson when he was up...
(Or am I missing an injury?)
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Yeah, you’re missing an injury. Schafer has a bum wrist that has been bugging him for a good part of the season (I don’t remember when or how it occured). Currently he’s been shelved in AAA. But I do like your plan! Except the firing of Omar. They need to keep him as long as they can.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Injury…been bugging him since the first week of the season. And he was hitting .220 when he was sent down.
Thanks for that. Any other minor league guys like Schafer would struggle a bit with the bat, but be plus defenders in CF? That’s more valuable than GA…
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Seriously?
He was WAY worse than Anderson was/is! And yes, Schafer has an injury that is still flaring up in AAA from time to time.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
As of June 12th, Schafer’s wOBA was ten points worse than Anderson’s.
Link.
Right now, the difference is .030 points. Anderson has rebounded towards expectations. Schafer could have done the same given more time. His minor league track record is solid.
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but his K rate was outrageous. Schafer has a decent minor league track record, but so do hundreds of other MLB players who could never put it together. Anderson was a much better bet due to his MLB track record.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
And hundreds of MLB players stop hitting and retire.
I agree GA was the better bet offensively. But defense probably made Schafer the better player.
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All in all, Schafer’s career batting numbers will probably look really similar to GA’s if he stays relatively healthy. But he has better speed and plays much better defense, so if he becomes what he projects to be, he’ll end up being a better major leaguer by the time he’s done.
except for the fact that Schafer had more walks in less than half a season than Anderson’s career average. And the fact that Schafer has more power already as a 22 year old. So i dont see how they are remotely similar
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I’m not sure we are talking about which will be the better player, but rather which would be the better player this year. Schafer SHOULD end up having a career much better than Anderson’s, but this year, I think Anderson was the better option.
Schafer was looking downright pitiful on fastballs.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You've got your blinders on again
or are just simply missing the point. As good as GA has been lately, and as bad as Schafer’s offense was earlier, the two have had very similar overall value this year.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
Schafer in 50 games – .204 / .313 / .287 / .600
Anderson in 64 games – 273 / .304 / .400 / .704
Not spectacular for either one, but Anderson’s line is better.
If we are taking defense into consideration, then sure, Logan was better, but I was talking specifically about offense.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Well
Schafer was battling against some wrist injuries, so he wouldn’t necessarily have rebounded without getting healthier. But he’ll probably be a decent major league hitter next year if he’s able to rehab and get some work in with Gwinnett later this season.
Yeah he did.
WAY worse
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 14, 2009 4:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, ignore that, then, thanks.
I had been thinking that Frenchy and GA should have platooned, but it doesn’t work with Church being a lefty. Moving on…
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by Sky Kalkman on Jul 10, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I told my girlfriend she has to pick a new favorite player now.
"Here comes Bream! Here's the throw to the plate! He is...safe! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win! Braves win!...Braves win!"
…..it’s just the “Tom Cruise-like” thing….
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I guess I can’t blame ‘em. When I watch women’s volleyball, that last thing on my mind is volleyball. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions
How much would it suck if the media and MLB came out and said, just kidding, Braves fans… this didn’t really happy. jk! I would cry a little bit.
Or...
Oh, wait. The Mets FO can’t possibly be that stupid. A prospect named Zeke Spruill has been included in the trade.
by soup du jour on Jul 10, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
not funny
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by nomorespinsports on Jul 10, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions
When I first saw the article on yahoo news, my first thought was, “Is it April Fools?!?!”
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Mets fans are killing us. They’ve made over 330 comments about this trade on Amazin’ Avenue, while we’re sitting at about 220. :-)
Funny how everyone has been talking about trading this guy on this blog for 3 months (longer than that, really) and when it happens, a rival blog has more to say about it than we do.
That, and if I was a Mutts fan, I would be flipping shit. They’re in the division. They know what’s up.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Really just a jest, though they’re managing to keep a very good flow going in the trade thread despite that they have an active game thread conversation going as well.
This conversation will probably pick up even more when Braves Live! comes on and the few people living under/around rocks catch up to the fact that he’s been traded.
If we just traded Kotchman for jose guillen, we would have about 500 comments…I think that is a good comparison.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 10, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I loved Frenchy and rooted for him...
….until he showed himself to be a crying, whiny little bitch. He complains about getting sent down for 3 days (!!!), talks about the unimportance of OBP, recently was quoted as saying he “hopes he gets his shot somewhere” (as if the last 4 years haven’t been enough of a shot), and just seems to refuse to take any responsibility for his struggles. Give me a break.
I wish him luck but am not disappointed to see him go. Which is sad considering he used to be my favorite Brave.
Frenchy's biggest enemy is Frenchy.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jul 10, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions