Esco packing his bags???
Buster Olney had this to say in his blog today:
"1. Yunel Escobar started on the bench for the fourth straight game, largely because of injury and perhaps also because of the team's frustration with him, as David O'Brien writes. Heard this: The Braves are willing to trade Escobar for a good hitter right now."
Wow. If they move Escobar, they are almost guaranteed to be getting a BIG bat in return. Esco is no slouch with the bat, and his skill with the glove is incredible. It is his immaturity that makes him available. He has a great contract (for a team) and is locked up for about 4 or 5 more years....yes, this could bring back quite a haul! (If, of course, it is true...)
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I don’t have a ton of faith in Onley’s reporting, but if we get a Major League outfielder bat back in the deal, I say do it. Over the last 2 years Escobar has really started to annoy me.
Francoeur: "If OBP is so important, why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
Chipper: "Wow, you really are a dumbass."
I think we need an SS back, too.
I don’t want Prado or Infante as our everyday starter.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Esco, he’ll be a monster for years to come…we can’t give him up. Frankly, I dont care for tempers, but when it comes to playing baseball, I really dont give a shit about it as long as he’s hitting.
What about when he's too busy pouting about an error to field his position?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Are we really going to sell short on a guy because of one isolated incident?
I think this has more to do with Bobby not liking Yunel, and is pushing for him to get moved. He wanted him gone this off season as well. Bobby’s the one that needs to go though. Yunel’s one of our four good hitters.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
First, we have more than 4 good hitters. Chipper, Mac, Nate, Kotch, Esco, Ross, and even Anderson (lately, anyway)
Second i am not so sure that this was one isolated incident. How many times has Yunel gotten rung up as a result of a previous argument with an umpire? How many times has he been kicked out of games where we needed him?
How many times has he displayed random acts of immaturity and selfishness?
It has been almost 3 years…he has had plenty of time to grow up.
I love Yunel and I wish he would not get traded, but there comes a point when enough is enough and you let him become someone else’s immature SS. Like I posted, I am sure that we could get PLENTY in return for him.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
not enough times to trade him for way below value
You don’t trade a shortstop who’s under 27, has hit .300 in the majors, has potential gold glove tools, and is under control for up to 4 more years, 1 of which (this year) is at the league minimum salary. Realistically I don’t think that equal value exists.
Below value?
nobody has said anything about trading him for below value, and I seriously doubt that sort of deal will be made.
After all, the FO isn’t saying “Hey everyone, come get this dirtbag off our hands! First come, first serve!”
The rumor (and I stress, RUMOR BY BUSTER OLNEY) plainly stated that the Braves would be willing to trade him for a big bat. Depending on who that bat is, it is not an unreasonable scenario to trade away Yunel. The monetary reasons for keeping him that you mentioned are the exact things that give him so much trade value.
What if we were to bring back a decent SS and a really good OF in return for Yunel? A move that weakens us a little at SS but makes us a much better team – would you be against that?
Let’s not criticize the FO for trading him below his percieved value until they actually do so…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
this
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's no isolated incident
He pulls shit like that on what seems like a weekly basis at this point. He’s no kid, and he’s no rookie. At some point, you have to start behaving like an adult.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I would hate to see this, but...
This guy does great things with a bat, but his head is not in it. What could we get in return for him? And if Prado is starting at second, who starts at ss? Diory? UGH!
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM EDT reply actions
Bingo.
We have nada to replace his glove at SS.
by Cammando2317 on Jul 1, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Possible Trades
Escobar to the Orioles for Nolan Reimold, Cesar Izturis and Chris Tillman
Escobar to the Red Sox for Jed Lowrie, Clay Buchholz and Nick Hagadone
Escobar to the Giants for Emmanuel Burris, Madison Bumgarner and Fred Lewis
Burris is fucking awful.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
His OPS+ is...49
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I like Boston
as a trading partner more than any team, but I don’t think they do that. If the Braves are to insist on a second pitcher, Boston can’t possibly let it be Buchholz. Maybe Bowden. That doesn’t really address the OF need either. A third team would have to be involved somehow.
Nothing to help now...
None of these scenarios help us. I would rather deal with his crap than these possiblities.
by SupermanWearsBobSander'sPJs on Jul 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
how does the baltimore scenario not help?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think any of them are plausible.
All of that for Escobar from Baltimore would be crazy.
it would prob be Escobar + someone else for Riemold.
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Even then i doubt they trade us Riemold
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions
They would be dumb as hell to do that.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Lol at us being able to get Bumgarner and more for Escobar. Or Tillman and more…
I’d trade Yunel straight up for Bumgarner tomorrow.
The fact is we couldn’t get him though. He’s the best prospect pitcher in the game, and Tillman is probably #2.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
1. HELL TO THE YES!!!
2. HELL TO THE NO!!!
3. Kinda right in between the first two for me…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:21 PM EDT reply actions
sonovabitch
I suck at replying to the bottom post.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions
No to Buchholz?
Why? Hanson, Buchholz and Jurrjens for the next 5 years? What’s wrong with that?
by NEBravesFan33 on Jul 1, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a stacked rotation now
We have a need for a bat. I would rather have proven starters than trade Javy for a Bat and insert Bucholtz
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
not to mention Lowrie as our SS???
I think Tilman will be a better pitcher than Bucholtz
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
We need to keep esco. who else would start at shortstop, Diory?
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jul 1, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions
isnt that burke fellow a SS
i hope thats not their intention
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, he can play there.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
You do know you're allowed to trade for the same position you give up, right?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Tex trade, revisited...
While I think the trade for Teixeira was fair, the assumptions that were made at the time—Escobar is the SS of the future, so Andrus is tradeable—were obviously incorrect. It’s becoming clearer that Escobar is not the SS of the futre, but there’s no one to replace him with. I don’t care about any of the other players in that trade, because they were either truly blocked (McCann was already an elite C), weren’t very good, or too young to tell how good they’d be. But either way, that’s water under the bridge. Damn your impatience and wrecklessness, John Scheurholz!
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Not this again....
Hmm i feel like i have heard this reasoning with the braves before
“Oh its ok to let Furcal walk because we have yunel escobar coming up”
“Oh its ok to trade andrus because we have Yunel escobar”
and now?
“its ok to trade yunel bc we need a big bat(which he somewhat provides already) and plus we have diory hernandez”
This is dumb, sure yunel has a temper, but baseball is a game where tempers flare. He is a young player at a position where good hitters with a little pop in their bat can be hard to come by, not to mention that he is pretty good defensively.
Dont trade yunel thats just dumb
there is a difference between a good bat and a big bat. Yunel certainly does not have a big bat.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
It's not just a temper...
It’s immaturity and mindlessness at times that often sees him putting himself and his needs ahead of the team.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
true
but there is also a difference between someone with pop in their bat and someone without any. I think of casey kotchman as not having much pop even though he still hits for decent average whereas Yunel definitely has some pop while hitting for a comparable average. Pop will get you doubles and rbis while not having any gets you singles.
I think Kotch
has hit more HRs than Yunel over the past 3 seasons…I could be wrong about that though. I haven’t taken the 20 seconds to find out.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
ABs/HR since '07
Yunel: 49.6
Kotch: 44.1
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions
(cont'd)
…for an even better one!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
As he explained in another thread, the idea is to make this transition:
Current: terrible RF, great SS
Post-trade: adequate SS, great RF
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes, the basic idea is obvious.
I’m asking what teams out there are going to be looking to deal a “great” RFer and a solid SS for Escobar.
the list
is posted in some other thread…but, pretty much any ALE team (Esco could play 3b or 2b if a team already has a mainstay at ss), some NLW teams, etc. There are plenty of teams out there who would want Escobar and have expendable OFers to offer.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 2, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions
I will note that a team might be reluctant to give up much for him if they have to move him.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 2, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you’d post it here or name the thread I’d look it over.
However, I can’t see any team being willing to deal a “great” RFer and a solid SS to the Braves for Escobar, especially not in a deal that would make financial sense for the Braves.
I have no idea where I posted it…lol
But yeah, the second part of what you said is the most important – making financial sense for the braves.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 3, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions
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