Chipper finally, gradually getting credit he deserves as an all-time great.
Call it a home team bias. This is a Braves blog after all, but all injuries aside, Chipper Jones is legitimately positioning himself among some of the greatest players of all time as he seemingly continues to improve with age. So he may miss a game here or there with vague injuries (toe, oblique, etc.), or leave a game with "dizziness," plus he has a pretty familiar past with the "freak injury" bug, but for my money there isn't anyone I'd rather have at bat in a big situation. You'd want Smoltz on the hill if you had to win one game, and you'd want Chipper at the plate if you needed one hit.
It seems like only recently that the baseball media have even begun to mention him in the same breath as the hall of fame. He certainly has the statistics to merit it. His .311 career average (Today's 4-4 bumped him up from .310) is second all-time for a switch hitter behind Frankie Frisch's .316. He's got the hardware covered: Ring? Check. Batting title? Check. MVP? Check.
Before we go into the full accumulation of his statistics, there are several other items of merit that deserve a mention. Aside from being the type of player who volunteers to drastically restructure his contract to help the team improve (the Tim Hudson deal), he'll also (most likely) end up as one of the handful of players to play their entire career in one uniform, although the Braves do have a running habit of setting their legends out to pasture with a shrug. We've had three 300 game winners wear our uniform in the past 25 years, all of whom won the majority of their games as Braves, and none of them won #300 as a Brave. But that can be left for another discussion, along with Smoltz and Murph and Hank and anyone else you'd like to bring into it, but I digress.
As Chipper wrapped up that nice little 4-4, 2 homer, 5 RBI performance, he continues to climb the all time ranks to much higher positions than I was aware of. Lets take a look:
- I already mentioned that his .311 average is 2nd ever among switch hitters (Just to throw it out there, fellow stat nerds, if you gave Chipper and Mickey Mantle 1,000 at bats, Chipper is going to come away with 13 more hits), but outside of the switch-hitting realm, that's also good for a tie for 103rd on the all-time list. But it gets better.
-His career On Base Percentage (for when they start putting it on the scoreboard, Mr. FYF) of .408 puts him 40th all time, ahead of Joe DiMaggio, Rickey Henderson and Cap Anson to name a few (and he's getting on base at around a .450 rate the past two seasons).
-His career Slugging Percentage of .547 is 27th all time. (Take that Hack Wilson, Mike Schmidt, Frank Robinson, Duke Snider, Ken Griffey, Jr., Mel Ott, Eddie Matthews, Willie McCovey, Shoeless Joe, etc.) I could keep going with Ty Cobbs, Tris Speakers and other early Hall of Famers, but you get the idea.
-Also, a surprising note for Braves fans, the top 100 also includes Fred McGriff (78th) and a tie for 95th between Ryan Klesko and David Justice. I'd imagine you'd be hard-pressed to find another team in history that featured four of the 100 most prolific (slugging % wise) batters in the history of the game. But that's yet another blog. On with Chipper:
-Going the natural next step to OPS, Chipper's On Base + Slugging Percentage (.955) is 22nd all-time, ahead of Hank Aaron, Willie Mays, Junior Griffey, Cobb, Speaker and more Hall of Famers than you care to have me list. From 2006-2008, there was one player in the majors who maintained an OPS of over 1.000 in each season. His name wasn't Albert. His name wasn't Manny. His name was Chipper.
-Including today's five, Chipper has 1,402 runs batted in, which is good for 69th all time. With his next 13 RBI, he will pass Juan Gonzalez, Robin Yount, Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire on that list. If he maintains his health and production for the majority of this season, he should end it around fellow Brave third bagger Eddie Matthews, who is 55th. He needs 516 RBI to pass Eddie Murray for most all-time by a switch-hitter. He has nine 100-RBI seasons, including eight in a row.
-His 415 home runs rank him 41st all time, third for a switch hitter.
-He has never struck out 100 times in a season and has averaged 1.09 BB/K for his career, remarkable for someone with his power credentials.
There's plenty more we could cover with Chipper, here. We could cover the fact that despite his impressive mantle of awards (no pun intended), he has been legitimately hosed by MLB out of at least one gold glove, as well as the 1995 NL Rookie of the Year (A certain blogger was 10 at the time and may have been reduced to tears at the Sportscenter announcement that Hideo Nomo had won the award). But it goes well beyond slights to the establishment. In 2001, in the prime of his career (Age 28 season), despite having won the MVP only two seasons prior, Chipper was shuffled to left field for the arrival of Vinny Castilla. And he took it like a champ. Lets think about this a bit more in hindsight and compare it to a few similar situations: The Mets didn't move David Wright to left when they signed Fernando Tatis, did they? Did the Orioles move Cal Ripken to the outfield when they signed a jacked up Mike Bordick? Hell no. Absolutely not. By no means. Despite that, he overcame it and was eventually given his position back, but it created a fair amount of trauma, both on Chipper's stat line and his health.
Also, this is very, very hypothetical and is something I most definitely plan on tackling in depth in a future post, but I've often wondered how the move from The Launching Pad to The Ted affected the power statistics of our predominately left-handed middle of the order in the late 90's. Sure, Chipper hit 45 dingers in 1999, but I can't help but imagine he'd have crept a little closer to 500 homers by now if he wasn't playing half his games staring at a 390 foot power alley in right center.
As hard as it is to believe, we drafted Chipper 18 years ago. We've watched him go from stud prospect, to MVP, to team leader, to one of the elder statesmen in the game. He presided over the majority of the longest championship run in professional sports history and has stuck with us through some very lean years since. He's not a player who's after every last dollar. He wants to win and if all the aches and pains in his body will allow him to, he'll be the last off the field in victory. His side-of-the-mouth southern drawl has been a welcome post-game interview feature since he first set foot on the field and there's absolutely no reason that same drawl shouldn't be heard all over Cooperstown as he gets voted in as a first ballot Hall of Famer some day. I just hope we get him another ring first.
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Excellent all around post. A worth homage to an all time great. Recd.
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by !Vive la Francoeur! on Jun 8, 2009 12:49 AM EDT reply actions
Agreed. An impressive post.
Although I beleive theres no way management lets Chip go, especially after the Glavine fiasco. Besides, I hope he’ll manage (or replace TP) one day
Chipper will be the ultimate hitting coach...
Think Brian McCann…
"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner
The more I think about it...
The more I like the idea of seeing Chipper at the helm some day. The amount of time he spends with the younger players is amazing. There was a post on here several months ago about “Camp Chipper” in spring training that opened my eyes about the possibility of him as a manager or coach. I don’t want TP to go anywhere, but all of that is five years from now so I’m sure it will work itself out to some degree between now and then. With all of the hitters we have on the way up from the farm over the next few years, they’ll benefit a great deal from sitting next to Chipper in the dugout whether he’s still playing or not. Here’s to him making it to 40, minimum.
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jun 8, 2009 2:50 AM EDT reply actions
Excellent post
I mean we all know that Chipper Jones is great, but this could convince most anyone who isn’t even a Braves fan.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Thanks Roy
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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jun 8, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Rec'd
Great post. Chipper’s my FOAT (favorite of all time), and you couldn’t have summed up why any better.
Recommended.
Without question, Chipper is a true all-time great. Moreover, to me, he is a quintessential-type player, almost along the lines of a Ted Williams. “Chipper Baseball”, anyone?
A few quick facts:
But for the blown out ALC and missing his entire real rookie season (1994), his stats would be even greater.
Although he was denied the official NL 1995 ROY, he was recognized as The Sporting News’ ROY.
Last season, he led the majors in avg, obp and ops, a remarkable acheivment at his age.
Sure, Chipper hit 45 dingers in 1999, but I can’t help but imagine he’d have crept a little closer to 500 homers by now if he wasn’t playing half his games staring at a 390 foot power alley in right center.
Good point. Too bad not everyone can play in a band box and inflate their numbers. I’m looking at you new Yankee Standium.
Chipper gave up a lot of fairly easily obtainable money when he restructured his contract for Hudson too.
Old contract:
06:$17M, 07:$15M club option ($5M buyout) (vests with 450 PAs or All-Star selection in 06), 08:$15M club option ($5M buyout) (vests with 450 PAs or All-Star selection in 07)
New contract:
06:$11M, 07:$11M, 08:$11M, 09:$8M-$11M vesting option
He straight up gave up $6M in 2006. How many players can say they’ve done that? He turned $15M options that would have vested over 450 PAs into $11M guarantee years while adding another $11M vesting option. He gave himself security, but he could have made $14M more in 3 years and been a free agent if he didn’t restructure his contract.
“I’m not worried about the money. I’ve made my money in this game. I just want to get back healthy and get back to the point where I’m producing at a high rate like I was earlier in my career. The people who play this game just for the money, they’ll get weeded out eventually. I’ve never played this game for love of the money.”
Chipper Jones would’ve been better than Kevin Costner in that movie, For the Love of the Game
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
How many players can say they’ve done that?
I’ve never heard of any others, but I guess it may have happened. How many would do it? Don’t know, but the really great thing is, from what I understand, Chipper is the one who suggested it.
now probably isn't the best time to bring it up, but...
i’d always heard Smoltz took less money over the years so the team could sign better players, but i can’t find any proof of it now. maybe one of ya’ll knows for sure?
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by Bravely going forward on Jun 8, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
blasphemy, I know
But will fans be singing the same song if we see an outspoken, over the hill Chipper hanging on and fighting for one more year on a HOF career while some young stud is waiting in the wings, all the while management is wringing its hands trying to decide between the “business” or “sentimental” decisions?
Unlikely
Chipper is loyal and has always been the fan favorite. He didn’t leave us for more money like Glavine did, and that’s why people cared less about Glavine. Chipper has always done the things he needs to in order to help the team, whether it be leaving the game because he wouldn’t produce as well, or restructuring his contract so that we can get better players to help win. He’ll know when to hang them up and I have serious doubts that he would hinder to team just to make more money.
by BravesRaleigh on Jun 8, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Chipper knows better than that.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 8, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you sure?
I was at the game on Saturday, and he only hit from the left side. Doesn’t switch-hitting mean you change?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 8, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Looking at a number like OPS and not normalizing it is a fallacy because of the differences in era. When you look at OPS+, he “drops” to 48th, and a lot of the names you mentioned jump him. Also, he hasn’t hit a true decline phase yet which will drop him even further.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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Whatever you say, slick.
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you hate Chipper Jones.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 9, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions
beautiful article
rec’d and love the stats
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Nicely Done
Chippa is the best baseball player I have seen, and I will truly miss him when he hangs it up in the next few years…if he doesn’t get in, first ballot, the Hall is a sham.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 8, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions
I got bad news…. the hall is already a sham and it will be until Pete Rose is inducted
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
No gambling!!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 9, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
No gambling, yes racism? Seems a bit silly.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 9, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
(I was being sarcastic…)
I know, it is hard to tell in type form.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 9, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Aha...gotcha.
But still, my point stands to the fools keeping Rose out.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 9, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
indeed
I think he should be in…unless they can prove that he threw games or bet against his team.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 9, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Well played sir… great read
All I will say is that Chipper volunteered to move to LF (if i remember correctly)… He thoguth Castilla would make the team better… But this just further shows how great of a teammate he is.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
wtf does thoguth mean?
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
he obviously mistyped thought, asshole
by RichmondBraves on Jun 11, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
You obviously don't know that he and I know each other
and joke around with each other all the time.
Have a nice day.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Beautifully written!
Thanks for this, it is fantastic!
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