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The Phillies as possible suitors for Tom Glavine

The rumors and unnamed-execs-being-quoted-stampede for where Tom Glavine might sign has already begun. Baseball Digest puts the Glavine situation this way:

According to an industry source, suddenly out of work pitchers Tom Glavine and Vicente Padilla will not be jobless for long.

One NL exec told BaseballDigest.com on Wednesday night the Phillies "like both pitchers and will sign one of them before the week is out."

"The Phillies have been waiting for just this type of opportunity; take a veteran starter for a test drive for the next month or so before having to make any hard decisions about (San Diego’s Jake) Peavy or (Houston’s Roy) Oswalt."

I always love it when non-human phrases are applied to humans, and taking Glavine for a "test drive" is half-way demeaning, and the other half hilarious. They go on to say this in the article:

Glavine, who spurned the Phillies for the Mets back in 2003, is said to be "furious" with how the Braves handled the situation and "can’t wait to stick it up their (bleep)." Signing with the Phillies would go a long way towards fulfilling that goal.

If I was Glavine, I would probably be pretty mad too. That paragraph also helps me remember that the Phillies were really heavily in on Glavine when he was a free agent back in '03. The article also speculates that the Mets and even the Nationals could be possible destinations for Glavine. Though, the Mets are apparently not considering Glavine.

It seems there are a chorus of people out there who want Glavine to try and pitch again for someone else just to show that the Braves were wrong to release him. This may be too much for Glavine to ignore, remember, he's a big player's union guy and that may lead him to land on the side of proving that a team made a wrong decision and that the player should have been trusted when he says he's ready.

Keep in mind too that this could add extra fuel to the angst that John Smoltz feels for the Braves right now. He is scheduled to make his debut in two weeks, which could set up a scenario where he faces Atlanta on two seperate occaisions. We'll see if our old veteran cast-off pitchers will come back to haunt us.

[UPDATE:  1:30pm]

Add the Red Sox to the list of possible suitors for Glavine:

The Red Sox are "close to the top, if not at the top" of the list of teams just released veteran Tom Glavine would pitch for, according to a source close to Glavine.

Again, I'm fine with this. Let them sign him.

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Yikes

Glavine would not do well in that bandbox. I mean he gave up 11 homers in 63.1 innings for us last year.

by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, not good for him, but good for us if you want the Phillies to lose.

by gondeee on Jun 4, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but

I just really don’t want to see his career end like that, you know?

by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes.

He could have just gracefully retired as soon as they told him we didn’t have a spot and taken his cool mil straight to the bank.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glavine "can't wait to stick it up their (bleep)" ?

I bet guys like Chipper and Heap can’t wait to see just where they can stick those weak 80mph fastballs Tommy is heaving these days. Especially hitting in the Phillies new park?

Yeah, take the hint Glavine. Just retire before you embarrass yourself. Oh wait, too late, lots of people remember your last start in a Mets uniform.

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by Rhyno18 on Jun 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

after hearing this, i hope his career ends miserably. it’s not like he didn’t give us plenty of indication his take was running on empty. fuck you, old man.

"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."

by Bravely going forward on Jun 4, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

a little harsh in retrospect, but seriously, how can a guy’s feelings for a team he played most of his illustrious career for change just like that? does he want to shove it up bobby’s ass, or chipper, or mac’s? because they’re the ones he’s gonna hurt when they hear his reaction.

"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."

by Bravely going forward on Jun 4, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

And seriously...

Isn’t that kind of gay anyway?

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

this

Baseball is a game where a curve is an optical illusion, a screwball can be a pitch or a person, stealing is legal and you can spit anywhere you like except in the umpire's eye or on the ball.
James Patrick Murray

by dc_allday on Jun 5, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

a well earned +1

Proof that when posting while high or intoxicated can lead to some really funny posts

by bravesrbaseball on Jun 4, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Go ahead Philly, I hope you enjoy 90 years worth of soft tossers in your rotation.

hindsight is 20-13 just like Ted William actual vision- ken tremendous

by heapofoatmeal on Jun 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

This made me chuckle

by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Would laugh again A++++

by Sparhawk on Jun 4, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stick it to Atlanta?

He’s 4-11 vs Atlanta. If he signs anywhere I hope it’s with the Mets or Phils. That’d honestly be the best thing he could do for us this season, pitch for a division rival.

Additionally I still don’t think Smotlz will want to pitch versus Atl (as he’s been quoted saying prior to this). The front office has his disdain, not the team and management on the field.

by l0stnumber on Jun 4, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to take Mrs. Glavine for a test drive

Phillies: please sign Glavine and stop looking into Oswalt and Peavy.

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Jun 4, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions  

Gosh

why can’t old guys who just dont have it anymore just let it go? Look at who is interested – the PHILLIES…the same Phillies who have one of the worst starting rotations in the Majors…shoot, I bet if we release JoJo today, the Phillies would have him slotted right behind Cole Hamels as their #2.

And yes, this is the same Phillies pitching staff whos broadcast team said “I just don’t think Atlanta has the pitching rotation to be able to compete in the NL East this year”

HAHA! Yes, Philly, take our 9th or 10th best starter and make him your #2 or #3…go ahead. do it.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions  

If I were Glavine, I’d be upset too. I understand the decision from a business standpoint, but the timing was VERY weird. Why sign the guy, keep him after a setback from his injuries, let him rehab, and then when he looks like he’s moved past the injury and looks like he’s doing well, release him?

They had plenty of chances to either not sign him or release him when circumstances would have been much more clear, but they waited until he was ready to come back.

by FineHamAbounds on Jun 4, 2009 12:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, honestly, he has a right to be pissed off, but Wren had to do what he had to do.

by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll agree that the timing was weird. Did they string him a long in case a starter went down? A likely answer. The conspiracy theorist in me thinks they were hoping he got hurt and retired or wanted to put asses in minor league seats.

by penno on Jun 4, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

wanted to put asses in minor league seats.

That’s funny, because the radio guys were talking about all the sellout crowds that Glavine was drawing in Gwinnett and Rome, and Smoltz was putting in Greenville, and how much the minor league squads love when a marquee player like them makes rehabs starts.

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by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’d imagine, Rome was PACKED on Tuesday. I have never seen that many people lined up early at the gates for a MiLB game. I know the Braves own the Rome and Gwinnett franchises (everyone but Myrtle Beach, right?). I don’t know if Atlanta gets any of that money, but I’m sure it keeps their minor league franchises, as you noted, happy.

by penno on Jun 4, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

This "looks like he's doing well" commentary is so arbitrary?

I’d hope even somebody like Tony Armas could go down and shut down a low-A team for six innings. It’s not the Braves’ fault he hurt his shoulder and couldn’t take JoJo’s spot a month ago.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somewhere K Law is smiling

Remember the article earlier this year about “excessive loyalty to veteran players”? It sure looks like we are rectifying that “weakness” in a hurry.

But seriously, everyone was making this huge deal that Glavine tossed 11 scoreless in his last two rehab starts, the last of which came at the LOWEST level in the organization! So what! Just b/c Glavine is a future HOF doesn’t mean that the team owes him 4-5 starts to prove he is done and let our 5th rotation spot continue to be an automatic loss. If I were him, I’d be glad the team paid me $1M to rehab my shoulder back to health — that’s a health plan I’d love to sign up for.

By all means sign with the Phils so we can go bombs away off of Glav, Moyer, Blanton, and every other loser not named Hamels in the NL’s 2nd worst pitching staff.

by fphjr01 on Jun 4, 2009 12:21 PM EDT reply actions  

He’s not smiling about the McLouth deal, dude has some sort of vendetta against him

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on Jun 4, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

i have been looking for his take

do you have a link? I can’t find it for some reason…

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He posted something up on twitter last night and again this morning. The first thing he said was that the Pirates got a lot for an overrated “Gold-Glover” and then posted McLouth’s stats over the last year (6/1/08-6/3/09). They were not great…..256/.327/.447 in 630 PA.

I’m sure he’ll talk about it in his chat today…

by Uninvited on Jun 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s got to be the worst big-name baseball writer out there. It’s just brutal reading some of the crap he puts out and he’s so opinionated a lot even when he’s just plain wrong.

by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I used to think the same thing

but, the more I read of him, the more I have liked him. He is actually right a lot more than the other “experts” out there.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a stat geek

Who doesn’t trust himself enough to make a judgement other than exactly what the stats tell him and I don’t like that, especially when it comes to defensive metrics. That’s my opinion and why I don’t like him but if you like that sort of thing, then I could see how you’d like him. It’s all a matter of opinion.

by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's interesting

because usually, he’s quick to point out in his chats that he’s always traveling to see players and doesn’t answer questions about amateur guys he hasn’t seen.

by hoboken_wood on Jun 4, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Those numbers are unfairly skewed. in 4 out of the 6 months from last season, he had an OPS in the high 8s or higher.

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!

by bigjoe on Jun 4, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

but those don’t prove his curious hatred of McLouth

by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Must be the hair.

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!

by bigjoe on Jun 4, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

bigjoe, i dont think i caught your take yesterday?

You think theres anyway Nate doesnt hit leadoff tonight?

by Zeus12888 on Jun 4, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think thats where he should and will end up. Wren was talking last night about how the Braves finally had a legit leadoff hitter.

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!

by bigjoe on Jun 4, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I vote

For 1st when Chipper is in the lineup and 3rd when he is not. Kelly moves to 6/7 and back up to 1 when Chipper is out. Keep everyone else in the same spot and get some lineup continuity.

by fphjr01 on Jun 4, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

baseball is baseball

the clubs are a business, yada yada yada

We locked up chip long term no need for leftover future HOFs to screw up our chemistry

by traphicg on Jun 4, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh. I like Glavine too much to be happy about him going to the Phillies. Even if it did end up being good for us.

by McGriff the Crime Dog on Jun 4, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, you're right Tommy...

Be angry. I mean, it’s not like the Braves, who were the team you wanted to play for so you could be close to your family, didn’t pay you 8 million dollars for 13 starts and 63 innings of below average pitching last year. Then, they paid you a million dollars for you to rehab and get ready this year and go out and sign with someone else. To recap, you were paid $9 million for 63 innings of below replacement level starting pitching over a year and a half…..I wish someone treated me that badly.

Seriously, I know the Braves didn’t handle it well, but dude got paid a lot of money for very little work done badly. I’m not so sure the Braves should be scared at this point.

by Uninvited on Jun 4, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Also

Why can’t Smoltz keep his mouth shut? I’m so freaking sick of hearing that guy speak it’s unbelievable…

by Uninvited on Jun 4, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Always been a blabbermouth

Flapping his gums at whatever topic was asked to him. The only difference is now that he’s not on the Braves, and the questions are always led for him to be critical towards the Braves, we are not liking his responses.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Even gave up that first round draft pick to the Mets for him

by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot of unjustified anger pointed at Glavine

WTF man! What did he do wrong? I absolutely agree that we made the right move by releasing him. But he was told by our orginization that if he could rehab and pitch for us then he would get that opportunity. He trained, worked hard and got to where he felt he was ready to join the team. The same team that said that he could come back if he could get healthy. So what’s wrong with the fact that, after months of work and rehab he is disappointed when he is finally ready to go and the team says retire or be released.

Glavine had nowhere to be on our roster. But I understand his disappointment. He has been nothing but classy to the Braves and their fans for a very long time. That’s a lot more than I can say for a lot of you ass hats.

I hope he finds a team and finds more success in the majors. He worked hard to get healthy and major league ready and deserves to play somehwere. I wish him the best in the future and hope that at some point there can be some resolve between him and the orginization. But don’t act like just because he was cut he’s all of a sudden a dick.

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

What he did wrong part:
Glavine, who spurned the Phillies for the Mets back in 2003, is said to be “furious” with how the Braves handled the situation and “can’t wait to stick it up their (bleep).” Signing with the Phillies would go a long way towards fulfilling that goal.

Who else did he spurn back in ‘03? The Braves, but that was “just business”, nothing personal, and fans shouldn’t have been upset. Remember? I can understand disappointment and being released, but keep it to yourself and show some class and dignity. That goes for you too, Smoltzy, oh wait, too late.

by sddbaker on Jun 4, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smoltz is climbing the ladder of my most hated ex-Braves.

1. Teixiera
2. JD Drew
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Smoltz steadily climbing

by Bobby Cocks on Jun 4, 2009 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

1. Why Tex
2. Why Drew?

I understand Smoltz, but why the other two? They are both pretty good fellas and good ballplayers.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Teixeira is called RoboDouche for a reason

He’s a massive kiss ass and will say whatever Boras tells him. When the Braves traded him to the Angels, he said something like “I thought I’d spend the rest of my career in Atlanta.” He recently said Joe Girardi was the best manager he ever played for. Stupid shit that just makes you want to roll your eyes at him.

Oh, and Furcal needs to be on that list.

by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aybar too.

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Jun 4, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

How did this list get 5 guys deep and not include John Rocker?

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey...

I LOVED John Rocker.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

I destroyed a closet door the night he got traded.

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on Jun 4, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, to each his own, i suppose. Being prejudiced and culturally insensitive, and putting forth the exact image that a southern pro sports team would absolutely like to AVOID was enough for me to hate him even while he was a Brave. The only guy I cared less for while he was in a Braves uniform was Deion Sanders.

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

all his craziness aside

what rocker said about the 7 train was very accurate…

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS about THAT

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 8:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Perhaps I’m biased because I have friends who live in New York who are always using the subway, and they sometimes ride the said 7 train, and I also only really use the subway when I’m in New York. It’s definitely the best way to get around the city, and while it might seem unpleasant to be near so many strangers, it’s not really bad. People in New York are no different than people anywhere else.

One of the great things about the city is that it’s so metropolitan, and there’s people of many different cultures and ethnic groups everywhere. And maybe that’s a cause of fear for ignorant people, but the statistics clearly say that New York, despite having so many “dirty foreigners,” has one of the lowest crime rates in the entire country. Atlanta is much, much worse in comparison. It gets blown out of proportion because there’s so many more people in New York, so there’s also more criminals.

So, I suppose I’m insulted that he was a Braves because he was so ignorant and bone headed, and you like to think that all the members of your favorite teams are classy, upright guys.

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I am not sure that Rocker was speaking specifically about NY, but society in general…

You are right that NY is no different than anywhere else. Rocker was trying to get a rise out of the NYM fans, and I think he did that (the batteries being thrown at him support this theory).

I am not saying I agree with what he said, but generally speaking, he was not too far off the mark…

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why Drew? Local boy, and he’s done nothing except play pretty decently and sign the contracts put in front of him.

by Bronn on Jun 4, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can’t believe that the Braves were going to trade Francoeur for JD Drew. That guy got out of Atlanta as fast as he could.

by John Holton on Jun 4, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

As far as the “can’t wait to stick it up their ass”, I understand that too. It’s easy for the fan, who doesn’t work out, or rehab, or pitch extra side sessions to say talk about loyalty and this or that but the fans don’t put in ANY work.

Glavine has been working his ass off for months to be able to hold up his end of the bargain as far as being an end of the rotation pitcher for us. After all those hours of working out, and pitching, and being sore and whatever else he had to go through that we will never even know about.

All that he put in to get to this point and it’s all pulled out from under him. That would be infuriating. And like I said I completely agree that his release was best for the team but that is still NO REASON to be pissed at Glavine for feeling betrayed.

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

He got $1M for all of that “hard work” (personally, playing a professional sport for a living is not hard work, but rather, having fun).

I don’t feel to badly for him.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

So now the argument moves to the fact that professional athletes make too much money?

That’s completely irrelevant to this topic. And at this point in his career I’m sure the driving force behind his anger isn’t that he won’t make the rest of the money on this contract. He is upset that he put in so much work (yes hard work) because the Braves told him that he would get the opportunity to finish his Hall of Fame career with this team. Then when the time came the team didn’t come through with what they said.

“personally, playing a professional sport for a living is not hard work, but rather, having fun.” This is a ridiculous statement. Yes being a professional athlete has got to be fun. But to say that professional athletes don’t work hard is stupid.

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Waaay out of context…

1. I never said anyone makes too much money. (But, since you brought it up, they do)
2. Yes, staying in shape to play a kids game is hard work…but it is fun. I would GLADLY give up my job to become a professional athlete and would NEVER bitch about how “hard” it was to play a game. There is a difference in “working hard” and “hard work”.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree.

The “it’s not hard work” rant kills me. The fact that you would never bitch is irrelevant and easy to say because you will never have the chance to be a professional athlete. Why not? Because either you aren’t gifted enough, or because you won’t put in the HARD WORK. Or both. Seriously, who wouldn’t give up their job to be a professional athlete?

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

try this one on for size: I volunteered to serve in the armed forces.

Thanks, and have a nice day.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I too served. A nice attempt to lay it down right there but it is once again irrelevant to this thread.

Unless you were referring to hard work in the military. But even that doesn’t negate the fact that others too are capable of hard work.

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

not irrelevant at all. I am not going to get into a largest dick contest with you on the internet, but you assume that I could not have played professional ball because i didnt have skill or that i didnt work hard enough. I disagree. My highschool and college coaches would also disagree with you.

and you fail to reply to the idea that there is a difference between working hard and hard work.

Throwing a baseball for a living is not hard work. One can work hard to become good at throwing a baseball, but that doesnt change the fact that it is hard work.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry I wasn't meaning to be a dick

I just got into it a little bit there I guess.

To get back on subject…Glavine expected the Braves to follow through with giving him his chance. He was disappointed that he put in the time and my point was that I could see his side of it.

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it's all good

I think they DID give him his chance though…they gave him a chance to prove that he still had it, and they evaluated him (FW said something like 6 different teams of scouts evaluated him) and they concluded that he is not the best option. Just because they signed him to a contract does not guarantee him a spot on the roster. He has to earn it.

For months now, how many of us have been saying that we have better options in AAA than Glavine, but we were fearful that the organization would just hand glavine the job? Well, now that they didnt do that, we are now saying that the organization jipped him.

Glavine, yes he won 300 games. Sure he is a first-ballot HoF pitcher. No, he should not have been in our rotation this year. It sucks, but that is how it is.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Particularly when that contract...

includes an agreed financial disincentive to the team if he gets called up.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol'd.

HARD.

Assuming your e-opponent was a desk-mongering stat nerd and pulling the “I SERVED FOR OUR COUNTRY” card only to find out that he had one too.

Sorry, please resume.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’ll make some popcorn

by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

if that’s how it came across, i apologize. I wasnt trying to pull an “i served” card, but rather just counter his assumption that i am some wanna be who can criticize athletes for their lack of hard work.

I had potential scholarships (for baseball and soccer) at the college level, but chose rather to get a degree and commission. Would I love to be a pro athelete? sure! who wouldnt. But to me, some things are more important and desirable.

I wasn’t trying to pull a card, just protect my ego!

:)

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

So...

was his “hard work” all wasted? Would he not have rehabbed his shoulder anyway? I get the disappointment part, but you’re losing me with the “hard work”. I’m not saying it wasn’t hard, but I just can’t find it anywhere within me to feel bad for the guy because he spent his days in the gym or on the field.

by sddbaker on Jun 4, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s not to feel bad for him because he spent days in the gym. It’s because he thought there was an agreement there. I did too. The Braves move was understandable. But if you can’t see why he’d be let down there then I guess I don’t really have anything else to say on it.

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will drink to that thought. Good point.

Proof that when posting while high or intoxicated can lead to some really funny posts

by bravesrbaseball on Jun 4, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

They didn't feel he was healthy enough to be effective.

That’s not his call to make.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Red Sox are “close to the top, if not at the top” of the list of teams just released veteran Tom Glavine would pitch for, according to a source close to Glavine.

John? Is that you?

by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 1:40 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe he just wants to play near his family in Billerica

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah that’s just what Boston wants/needs. I don’t think Glavine can pick and choose his team here. Philly might be the only with a chance of contending.

Anyone else notice the Phillies are starting to run away with the East?

If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).

Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.

by TradeAndruw on Jun 4, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not so sure that a 3 game lead in early June is “running away” with anything. They are on a hot streak right now while Atlanta is playing .500 ball (but just got a ton better) and the Mets are slumping a bit.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny

how playing the Nats and Pads is good for your record.

by Yakker on Jun 4, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Although not funny

how playing the Giants and D-Backs was terrible for ours.

by Fischerking on Jun 4, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Running away....

I don’t think so. Hitting is more prone to streaks than pitching, and they are doing it with hitting. Their pitching sucks. They are eminently catchable.

by sddbaker on Jun 4, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

wouldn't that be somthing

Glav and Smoltz both pitch for Boston against Atlanta in the next couple of weeks…and we shell both of them.

Instead of foam #1 fingers, the fans all bring foam middle fingers….

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why on earth would Boston want to sign Glavine?

"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!

by bigjoe on Jun 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

because they already have Penny and Smoltz…someone forgot to tell them it is 2009 and not 1999.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

You're missing the most important part here

If Philly doesn’t sign Glavine…they’ll sign Padilla. WANT

by Zeus12888 on Jun 4, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions  

But, if Glavine hit one of our batters, there is a very very small chance of injury…Padilla is a head hunter who could really hurt one of our guys.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 1:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's true

That guy is nuts. The next Ugueth Urbina.

by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Happ

Signing either probably means AAA for Happ, which is good for ATL.

by Yakker on Jun 4, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

but bad for one of my fantasy teams…

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of being destroyed...

The Sans-McLouth Buccos are taking Mike Pelfry to SCHOOL right now

by Zeus12888 on Jun 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

The Red Sox want every pitcher they have ever heard of. The have roughly 80 pitchers on their 40 man roster.

hindsight is 20-13 just like Ted William actual vision- ken tremendous

by heapofoatmeal on Jun 4, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Just take it on to the house Tommy

Don’t go to yet another NL East rival to put up subpar numbers. Ride off into the sunset. The Phillies don’t need two Jamie Moyers.

"...Braves tie! ...Braves tie! ...Braves tie!"

by The Keith Lockhart Era on Jun 4, 2009 4:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I say fuck Glavine then feed him fish nuts. Say what you want, but we all remember when you dawned that fucking Mets hat you prick.

Proof that when posting while high or intoxicated can lead to some really funny posts

by bravesrbaseball on Jun 4, 2009 5:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Tom Glavine

I have for years heard that Brave fans were horrible. They barely showed up for World Series games and some even claimed they had no teeth. I really didnt care because in the end Smoltz ,Glavine ,Maddux and Chipper played for and were the leaders of the greatest team of the last 50 years. After reading posts of fans here, I realize how little this town deserved this class group of baseball players.I for one hope Glavine does sign with the Red Sox and both he and Smoltz throw no hitters against the Braves.Atlanta and the so called fans on this board did not deserve their presence. Simply horrible

by mikie baseball on Jun 4, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

yes

because Glavine never turned his back on the Braves…

/sarcasm

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

yes

because Glavine never turned his back on the Braves…

/sarcasm

wait, aren’t you the guy who thinks Frenchie shows a lot of heart and deserves to start in Right Field?

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who the hell are you to come onto our blog, and say we don't deserve anything.

Glavine got greedy and went to the Mets. Most of us lost respect for him and never wanted him to come back anyway.

Proof that when posting while high or intoxicated can lead to some really funny posts

by bravesrbaseball on Jun 4, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

he is mikie baseball and he has spoken. now bow to your sensai!

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Bow if you want to, but I wouldn’t bend over in front of him if I were you.

Presenting Great Moments in bigjoe's posting history!!!
"Thanks for mentioning my penis, he appreciates it"-5/23/09
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by Rhyno18 on Jun 4, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

THIS

"The crows seemed to be calling his name, thought Caw."

by WienerDog on Jun 5, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

Listen

I agree with you that a lot of people are blowing this situation out of proportion, and showing a little bit of unwarranted hatred towards Glavine, but would you please stop it with the blanket statements that the City of Atlanta and everyone here, never, ever deserved such high caliber players? I got it the first few times you generalized everyone, but now I’m beginning to feel a little insulted here.

Some of us choose to be more vocal about it than others, and quite a few people are still speaking from emotion and not their heads. But I can assure you that not everyone here and in Atlanta does not feel that Glavine is a money-grubbing dick, and regardless of the circumstances is not pleased that Glavine’s career as a Brave ended this way.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 5, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Although...

Glavine is a money-grubbing dick.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 5, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stop with the personal insults!

by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 5, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

it certainly edified me in a way that no other post could have. I am glad that I read it and that it improved my day.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 5, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

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