An Unceremonious End for Tom Glavine
by gondeee on Jun 4, 2009 8:20 AM EDT
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The news Wednesday morning was about how well Tom Galvine did in his rehab start for the Rome Braves -- 6 scoreless innings. All the reports were about "when" not "if" Glavine would join the big league ball club and the starting rotation for his farewell tour in an Atlanta Braves uniform. By Wednesday afternoon all that had changed.
Frank Wren said during Wednesday night's game that the Braves had several evaluations that thought Glavine could not pitch at the major league level. That's a pretty harsh judgment for a veteran pitcher who threw well in spring training and has proven his craftiness in recent years. Didn't he deserve at least a chance to prove that he could still pitch in the majors?
Glavine's friend and long time teammate John Smoltz, who himself left Atlanta unceremoniously this off-season, had this to say about the Braves' decision:
"That's just not how you treat people. He didn't have a chance to fail at that level, if that was the issue or concern," Smoltz said. "It's just not how you go about it. They're in control and they made those decisions. They've made a lot of them lately."
From the Braves perspective, it was probably not worth the $1 million they would have had to pay him just by adding him to the 25-man roster, just to see if he could "fail at that level."
Especially when one considers that the team had a trade that was almost a done deal with the Pirates for Nate McLouth. According to Frank Wren, that trade developed over the weekend. Even though McLouth is not making that much this year, we have no idea how tight the Braves payroll might be, and saving every million may eventually end up allowing them to add another player if one is needed.
Another factor in the Braves decision, may have been (finally) the realization that putting Tom Glavine in the rotation is not moving forward as a club. Tommy Hanson is the future and he's ready now, check that, he's dominant at triple-A right now, and is the guy who should be in the rotation.
The money and the younger pitchers both made Tom Glavine unnecessary for the Braves. Not only unnecessary, but as a club that is trying to build long term and is set to try and compete with the majority of the personnel is has for several more years, the right move was to put someone else into that fifth-starter role who could grow with the club. It's unfortunate for Glavine and all those who like him, but the Braves made the right decision.
I think we can say now that Tom Glavine may have been an insurance policy against Tommy Hanson not being ready. On the flip side, how much added pressure does this put on Hanson, knowing that he is essentially taking the spot of a future Hall of Famer?
With the need for pitching around the big leagues, and Glavine apparently ready to step into a major league rotation, he will have to decide if he wants to pitch again. According to Ken Rosenthal, Glavine's agent had already been contacted by three clubs seeking the left-hander's services. So if he wants to keep pitching, it certainly seems like someone will give him a chance.
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A bittersweet move
It’s tough to see Glavine’s career with the Braves end this way because of what he’s meant to this franchise over the course of his career. At the same time, it’s nice to see the Braves not being too loyal to older players when business (regardless of what FW said, we all know it played a part) and baseball logic tell them otherwise. We realistically couldn’t have expected much from Glavine and Hanson could be — and probably will be — significantly better and Hanson just doesn’t have anything left to prove in the minors.
All this being said, Thanks Tommy for a great career and I’d love to see you in some capacity with the Braves in the future.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 8:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This probably the way FW didn’t want to do this to Glavine but if this what it cost in free up $$ to make a NM deal work than releasing Glavine was a no brainer. Great Baseball move but sucks for glavine have done all this work and be ready and told to go Fuck youself. I did wish to see GLavine for the last time but at the cost of getting NM than you say. Atleast you can go into the HOF with Maddux :)
by Hanson-Ace on Jun 4, 2009 9:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was really sad to see him go
but it made sense and had to be done. Can’t wait to see Glav in the Hall, he will always hold a special place in the hearts of Braves fans…
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 4, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It almost reminds me of the Favre-Packers drama from last summer. I hate that Glavine’s Braves career ended with him being released, but I feel great that Wren is willing to make the tough decisions to make the team better now and in the future. It just isn’t worth a million bucks to give Glavine the chance to see for himself that today he isn’t one of the 5 best starting pitchers on our 40-man roster.
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by Rhyno18 on Jun 4, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
PR
The way this was handled by the Front Office disappoints me. I really don’t like to kick a guy in the balls after he’s worked all this time to claw his way back.
Even though I agree that at this point in the season it is the best move, it doesn’t make the move the “right” thing to do. I blame the FO for gambling with the man who largely helped make the braves who they are in the modern sense. Any hope that Tommy would take part with the braves in a post-playing sense is probably lost, same with Smoltz.
by rhinoskin on Jun 4, 2009 10:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He was the one who made the gamble...
He shouldn’t have agreed to the incentive-based contract if he was going to bitch about it.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it could have been handled better, but it had to be done. This continues to tell me what is obvious about Frank Wren: he is not afraid to make the tough decisions. This should not comfort Jeff Francouer at all.
Gwinnett Braves fans have to be pissed. Who the hell is gonna pitch for them now?
One more thought: I see there are alot of NO votes. I’m interested to hear their thoughts.
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by 10-4 on Jun 4, 2009 10:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what exactly did they do wrong?
I mean I understand if you disagreed with them releasing him but that doesn’t seem to be your problem with the move. Tom Glavine knows this is a business (that’s why he left for the Mets) and he knows it goes both ways. FW and co. gave him the option of retiring as a Brave and he chose to have them release him instead. FW, Bobby, and JS all met with him to discuss it. I think this was a necessary move and was handled the best it could have been.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, for one thing they went to the press and talked about how they thought he’d been pitching like crap in his rehab. True or not, there’s no reason for Wren to be saying it in the press.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow, you exaggerated that quite a bit
They talked about how it was performance-related and not a business decision. They praised his career with the Braves, but pretty much said that coming off his injuries, his performance did not warrant giving him a spot over Hanson. That’s a perfectly fine thing to say and really, I can’t imagine any better way for them to have handled it. People who think they bashed him are not looking at this without a bias. Let the emotions calm down and I think you’ll see that FW and co. handled this as well as possible for such a tough situation.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So if your boss fired you, and told everyone (including everyone who might be hiring) that it was because you just aren’t good enough at your job, you would consider your boss to have handled the situation as well as possible?
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not good enough FOR THIS TEAM...
Just like the job market, it doesn’t preclude another organization from evaluating you differently.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He said, or at the least, implied, that Glavine’s stuff wasn’t good enough to get ML hitters out.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he NEVER said that
He said that other options (ie. Tommy Hanson) gave the organization a better shot to win and that he had a responsibility to the rest of the team to field the best team. You’ve pretty much written your own press conference at this point.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
While the result of Glavine’s six scoreless innings Tuesday night were good, Wren said what Braves scouts have seen was not.
"In low-A ball, the pitching line is not a relevant factor in whether the ‘stuff’ could get major-league hitters out," Wren said.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And yet he still didn't say, he couldn't get hitters out
He’s explaining why despite good numbers in his rehab starts, they thought they had a better shot to win with someone else. You’re making everything out to be much worse than it actually is. And of course, I’m sure that was in response to a question about why they didn’t think he was worth keeping after his performance in the minors.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is clearly questioning Glavine’s ability to get ML hitters out. I don’t even know how you can be arguing this.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s not questioning his overall ability to get hitters out, he’s questioning Glavine’s ability to pitch like he did for Rome (there’s a lot of room between that, and belongs in some indy league) and again, saying that the team had better options. You don’t know why I can argue it because you’ve convinced yourself and nothing can change what you think at this point, so it’s really not worth arguing.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it would perhaps be enlightening...
to know what exactly the question was he was responding to. If it was something like “Glavine looked great in his last start and says he feels ready; what more could he have done to prove it?” I think it was a very valid response.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As of now.
Since when do players get to make roster decisions regarding their own injuries?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This has nothing to do with a roster decision. I’ve said numerous times that I wouldn’t have signed Glavine in the first place. The issue is Wren giving everyone the team’s negative scouting report on Glavine and his stuff rather than just saying, “We really like how Hanson and Medlen have been coming along, and we felt it was in the best interest of the team to continue their development at the ML level.”
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because it's a press conference
Reporters ask questions and he answers. He never gave anyone a negative scouting report on Glavine, again, he just said that he didn’t give the team the best shot to win. As far as this garbage about a negative report somehow hurting him, teams don’t just take other teams’ word about players. If a team is looking for pitching and is the slightest bit interested in Glavine, they’ll have scouted him or will work him out themselves.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He talked about how low Glavine’s velocity was, saying that the scoreboard guns were off. He implied, at the least, that Glavine doesn’t have the stuff to get ML hitters out.. But spin away.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...
He was explaining the reasoning behind letting go of a guy who “pitched well” and was “completely healthy” based on reporters evaluations of either minor-league box scores or outfield radar guns (which certainly aren’t what scouts are relying on…that’s why you see like 30 different guys in ST taking their own readings.)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re missing the point. What the radar gun said is irrelevant here. We’re talking about dealing with the press and letting a HOF pitcher go with a little class and respect. All Wren has to say is that they didn’t want to stall the development of pitchers like Hanson and Medlen by keeping them at AAA longer than necessary, so they made the difficult decision to let Glavine go.
The Q&A can go like this:
Why’d you let Glavine go?
Tommy Hanson.
What about his last start in A ball?
Tommy Hanson.
What about his velocity?
Tommy Hanson.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then somebody would criticize him for being elusive...
Glavine’s a big boy. His feelings will somehow recover.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I guess it is too much to expect the organization to show some class.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get over it.
This is the problem with society today. Too many people deciding to be offended on others’ behalf.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a completely different scenario
He didn’t say that he wasn’t good enough at his job, he said that other options gave the Braves the best chances to win. And when your business is dependant on fans coming to see the games, watching them on TV, and buying merchandise, you have to answer to them. Baseball is not a normal business and Wren handled the situation very well, but it’s quite evident from the fact that you’re putting a ridiculous spin on things and exaggerating everything Wren said to the point that it isn’t even close to the original statement, that you aren’t exactly looking at this with an unbiased view. You’ve taken the actual statements and grossly distorted them in your mind.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and btw,
If I was being paid Millions of dollars for playing a game,I wouldn’t really care what my boss said about me. There are huge positives about playing in the MLB and there are some drawbacks, the players all know what they’re getting in to.
by was385 on Jun 4, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted YES
Was the Braves release of Tom Glavine a good move for the team?
Emotions aside, yes it was a good move. Almost always, I will side with going younger, especially when the alternative is 43 years old and can’t crack 85mph on his fastball.
I think the people voting NO are voting on emotion and from a PR standpoint. Smoltz bolting was supposed to be a PR hit, and Furcal, Griffey and the Peavy situations were supposed to be PR hits, but what does PR really effect? Those who really, really, really care a whole lot. Unfortunately for them, that’s still the minority of the cash cow, and the majority of people will still go to Turner Field and buy tickets and merchandise and accept what’s given to them without any complaint, and because the phrase “it’s a business” is being used a lot right now, that’s what the point of the business is – to make $$$$. I’ll say 65% (if not more) of Turner Field’s paid attendance have no idea Tom Glavine was even rehabbing.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
I’ve been a Braves fan since the 92 Series, when I was 6 and living no where near Atlanta. And since then Glavine has always been my favorite player. So as much as it pained me to vote yes, the question asked was is it the right move for the team, and it was. That’s the bottom line.
by McGriff the Crime Dog on Jun 4, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Go to one single Braves game, and miss the explosion of discussion behind the scenes here! In short: McClouth – I’m good with the trade, Hanson, I’m excited to go see on Saturday, but the Glavine situation is what has weighed the heaviest in my mind.
I understand why it was done, and in the long run, I think it was for the best, but like many others, I certainly feel like this could’ve been handled completely differently. One of the worst realizations is when I was about to write this antagonizing response to John Smoltz’s comments, is that this situation gives validation to why Smoltz left the Braves in the first place. At least in Boston his money is guaranteed, and had he stayed with the Braves there is no telling he would’ve even had his chance to make the 25-man roster to make his money, and this likely scenario could have very well been with him as the victim here.
As it’s been said many times here, winning ballgames is the best PR, so no doubt in enough time those who are truly enraged will get over this move. Not much concern needs to be given about “will Chipper stay given the way veterans are treated,” because he’s already locked back up. And with Maddux retired, Smoltz elsewhere, Chipper locked up, and now Glavine shown the door, there’s really no more sentimental veterans for this to really occur to anymore. Throughout the 5th starter debates, I kind of assumed it was inevitable that Tom Glavine was going to start a few games for the Braves, and I quietly hoped to see a glimpse of vintage Tommy, at least one more time. I seriously didn’t think that this would happen. But it did, and we’ll never see Glavine pitch for the Braves again. I miss Tom Glavine already.
With a solid lineup now being tail-ended by the emergence of Tommy Hanson, the acquisition of Nate McClouth, with Medlen going to bolster the bullpen, a little bit of health, consistency, and some good fortune is all the Braves need to really become serious at winning this division. The immediate and distant future looks hopeful, and regardless of how everyone feels right now, winning will make everyone better.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
How in the world...
…do you always write what I’m thinking?
by sddbaker on Jun 4, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he got a loud ovation on Opening night, thats kinda like a farewell…..
"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09
by 10-4 on Jun 4, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you think Smoltz' demand of $5 mil without putting a uniform on...
was a reasonable request? Geez.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn’t make any such demand, but thanks for playing …
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why do I have this feeling that we just placed a curse on ourselves...
You know, like when the BoSox sold off Ruth. The Braves treated two legends like shit this past off season. No winning a world series for xx years.
Superstitious much?
by homerun on Jun 4, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Negotiations...
are a two-way street. How did they (particularly Smoltz) treat the organization which has shown them loyalty for years?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mixed Thoughts
This move is definitely the right one as far as winning is concerned as well as the future of the team, but it’s not sitting well with me. I mean, on one hand, I’m glad we’re getting a cheaper 20-something dominant SP with a 97-mph fastball rather than a more expensive 43-year-old coming off shoulder surgery whose velocity tops out at 87 on a good day. But on the other hand, when that 43-year-old is future HOF’er TOm Glavine how do you just cut him loose like a bad girlfriend? At least let Glavine come up for a start or two to showcase himself to the other teams.
But of course, we don’t know all that went on. Maybe the release was made to allow Glavine to have a chance to pitch for other teams? You could even argue that, with all the teams that are in need of pitching this season, it is actually better for Glavine to be released than to linger in AAA knowing he’ll never make it to Atlanta or for him to be traded to a team he’d rather not play for. Now he can sign with the team of his choice.
But still, to axe him after all he’s been through to get ready for the season, seems cold. I guess I agree with the move on many levels, just not how it was executed. It’s got “Don’t let the door hit you on the way out” all over it.
by tchoup on Jun 4, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
"At least let Glavine come up for a start or two to showcase himself to the other teams."
And if we go 0-2 in those two starts because he’s awful and miss the playoffs by a game, what then? They told him he could have retired if he wanted.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just because if I was his sister, I'd have to....
Come on roy….it’s McLouth
I do think this was the best decision for the team, but those of us who fondly remember the Braves teams that were kicking ass with our Smoltz/Maddux/Glavine & Co…. can’t see Tommy go without wishing we had seen him pitch (well) one more time.
I just wonder now if Hanson were to come up and have the newbie jitters and not pitch well, will the fans be patient with him? In a way I’d hate to be in that young man’s shoes and face the pressure of the fan’s expections of a man who just sent a HOF guy packing.
and,
BEST QUOTE thus far:
As it’s been said many times here, winning ballgames is the best PR
Agree wholeheartedly!
by NCChopper on Jun 4, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think patience will be an issue...
People know this is a special kid.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope you’re right and he does well.
I can’t imagine the pressure he must be feeling with all the “Glav press” out there right now – he must know that some fans may be actually hoping he falls on his ass just to make it look like Wrenn made a poor decision.
by NCChopper on Jun 5, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You hate to see a guy who meant so much to a city go out this way. But you know, I’d rather make the playoffs without Tom Glavine than have another season of nostalgic memories of times gone by and be sitting home in October.
It’s tiring not winning. Hanson gives us a better chance. Would it have been cleaner to bring up Glavine and watch him throw batting practice for two months and THEN cut him?
I don’t buy the Smoltz comment of “not how you treat people.” Let us not forget who was the one that traded his “A” for an “NY” a few years back. I don’t think many Atlanta fans have ever really gotten over that. Smoltz was tough to see go, but Glavine I don’t mind as much.
Nice move by the front office in landing McClouth at the same time and softening the blow of the Glavine announcement.
by kalesi on Jun 4, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
right call
This was absolutely the correct baseball and financial move. The Braves have a better chance of winning with Hanson, Medlin, or (eventually) Hudson as the 5th starter than with Glavine. Not paying Glavine the millions in roster bonuses he would have earned helps the team afford McClouth and still be able to look for an additional outfield bat to replace Jeff Francpoor. The Braves didn’t owe Glavine a roster spot based on his past service any more than he owed them re-signing for less money earlier in the decade.
It would have been better for everybody if he would have just retired after last year’s injury. I hope after thinking about it for a few days now he will just retire rather than risking having our last impression of him be pitching terribly for whatever 5th place team offers him a contract.
by redwards95 on Jun 4, 2009 11:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Braves didn’t owe Glavine a roster spot based on his past service any more than he owed them re-signing for less money earlier in the decade.
+1
by VictorW on Jun 4, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THAT
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't discount him getting an offer from a better team than that.
Philly, Texas, and Boston are potentially interested.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tired of this Loyalty BS
Hey everyone, first post been reading this blog awhile. Lifelong Braves fan out of Roswell, GA. I’ve always loved the Braves because they’re one of the few sports teams that show loyalty to their players. That being said I’m fine with letting go of Glavine. Wren said it was “just business” and though I’m unimpressed with him thus far as a GM I am fine with that explanation. It was “just business” when Glavine more or less defected to the Mets for a little more money (after making over 100 mil over his career in Atlanta) and then again when he leveraged the Mets for a bigger extension by flirting with returning to Atlanta. So all things considered… screw Glavine. He stopped being a true Brave in my book a few years ago and his return trip was nostalgic but I won’t shed a tear for him. He bailed on us.
And Smoltz lost his credibility with me this winter. I understood he felt he deserved better and maybe in this instance he did. But Atlanta had to protect its interests and they don’t have the luxury of being able to tie up what Boston could in an aging pitcher returning from injury (a question mark). And for as much as Smoltz wants to complain about being treated poorly and how he helped Atlanta out in the past what about all the seasons Atlanta paid him like a top starter and he didn’t pitch at all? Atlanta stuck with him through thick and thin with his injuries for an entire career. Now we’re seen as disloyal. Forget both of them. Chipper embodies what it means to be a Brave and you’ll notice we just did right by him. There’s give and take, and at the end of their careers all Glavine and Smoltz wanted to do was take.
by NaturallyCynical on Jun 4, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Like I said in another thread, there’s a way to make smart business decisions without being an ass about it.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing that could have been done here to make this situation any better was for Frank Wren not to have signed Glavine this offseason. But because he did, this was the only solution.
by BigG1392 on Jun 4, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He could choose not to go to the press and talk about how poorly Glavine has been pitching in rehab. He could not act like giving Glavine the chance to retire as a Brave was some magnanimous act. And, I think that I’ve made it pretty clear that we shouldn’t have signed Glavine in the first place.
by Lennox on Jun 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't...
He said we didn’t think he was as good as our other options. If Glavine was going to bitch about the contract, he never should have signed it.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The fire and emotion
is all well and good, but Frank Wren actually said it was NOT a business decision, but rather performance driven.
by hoboken_wood on Jun 4, 2009 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We all know the truth though, it was done to free up money for McLouth and give Hanson a spot in the rotation. Not because Glavine can’t pitch.
by BigG1392 on Jun 4, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, the Braves still assume the base salary for what they owe Glavine, and there is no money being “freed up” by cutting him. He was taking up the more invaluable potential roster spot.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There were incentives for staying on the roster 30 and 90 days. Up to around 4 million if I recall. There was definitely some economical advantages to releasing him.
by BigG1392 on Jun 4, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought
he was owed about $3.5 million in incentives after making the big league club, staying on for 30 days, then more after 90 days. The Braves aren’t particularly throwing that kind of money from the top of the King and Queen buildings.
by hoboken_wood on Jun 4, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't you assume...
they budgeted for him to at least make the roster and the $1 mil bonus that came with it?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
and I wrote a post on this in another thread. This is what got Smoltz and Glavine pissed off at him. Loyalty aside, don’t say Glavine was released b/c he’s done, when he didn’t have a chance to “be done.”
by hoboken_wood on Jun 4, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not a question worth $1 mil (and a potential hit in the standings) to ask.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do we know he can?
Because he pitched well against 20-year olds who’ve never seen breaking stuff like any 40+-year old MLB ptcher can throw?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isn’t business base on performance? You’re going to make a business decision based on the best performers.
by Gage23 on Jun 4, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's something you'd have to ask Wren
He’s the one who made the two mutually exclusive.
by hoboken_wood on Jun 4, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the "this wasn't business..."
Had more to do with GM speak and not tipping his hand as to how much payroll we have left to take on. If teams know we have to have them pay salary on a big-money player later on, they’ve got the upper hand.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s true. Makes a lot of sense. Thanks.
by Gage23 on Jun 4, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point
Loyalty is a two way street.
by Yakker on Jun 4, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+111111111
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To the moderators
Can this site be programmed to replace misspellings of some Braves with “I am a dumbass” or something?
That might curb a lot of Francouer, McClouth, Jurgens and Hansen—or if it doesn’t, at least make those posts more entertaining to read.
by hoboken_wood on Jun 4, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
Considering I misspelled McLouth like 40 times already, I am a dumbass too. This goes beyond TC. SBNation doesn’t have a way to auto-correct words, so you’re going to have to endure the onslaught of Francouer, McClouth, Chris Medlin, Hansen, Jir Jiggins, and Sheffer.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ Jir Jiggins. Makes me think of Bilbo Baggins, and having a hobbit as our pitcher…either that or Jurrjens with hairy feet and really short.
by soup du jour on Jun 4, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does it make the team better? Of course.
I’d much rather have Hudson/Lowe/Vazquez/Jurrjens/Hanson (Kawakami to the BP) over Smoltz/Glavine/Jurrjens/Hanson/Medlen. Frank Wren has made some smart executive decisions that I don’t think most other GMs would have done. Not having Smoltz and Glavine pitch for us this year gives us the best opportunity to make the playoffs this year. Not to mention it frees up salary space to pay for the McLouth acquistion.
Am I sad to see him go? Sure, it’s the end of an era in Atlanta. Glavine, Smoltz, and Maddux were the faces of our franchise during the great years.
With that being said, I think our current pitching staff is as great as its ever been! Sad to see Glavine go, but good move Frank Wren.
by BigG1392 on Jun 4, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm amused
Watching the poll sway. It’s like the game from Tuesday night, the Cubs (No) were up big, but the Braves (Yes) began chipping away, and if this momentum continues will take the lead soon.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Jun 4, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes takes over!!
"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09
by 10-4 on Jun 4, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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