Game 76 Recap: Phillies 4, Braves 5 in 10
by gondeee on Jun 30, 2009 11:04 PM EDT
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The Braves scored a big win against the Phillies on Tuesday night, breaking Philadelphia's 9-game winning streak at Turner Field thanks to the late inning heroics by Martin Prado. After Mike Gonzalez had given up the lead on two solo homeruns in the eighth inning, Prado came through with a double to drive in the tying run. Then in extra innings, Prado came through again with runners on second and third by lacing a single over the drawn in outfield for the walk-off win.
Derek Lowe started a bit shakey and battled inconsistency all night, but he kept working through his troubles, and got some help from his defense, and held the Phillies to just two runs through six innings. The bullpen, except for Gonzalez, responded brilliantly, keeping the Braves close and allowing them to come back -- something they've been having trouble doing lately.
The middle of the order struggled for Atlanta, with just two hits combined from Chipper Jones, Brian McCann, and Garret Anderson, but it was the top of the order that did the damage as Gregor Blanco had three hits , including a triple, and Martin Prado had the first four-hit game of his career. It was great to see Prado come through in those tough situations -- he fits perfectly as the number-2 hitter for Atlanta. It's going to be tough to get him out of the lineup. Kelly Johnson may be relegated to backup duties for the foreseeable future.
Nate McLouth and Yunel Escobar were both once again out of the lineup because of injuries. Bobby Cox gave McLouth an extra day to rest his hamstring, and Escobar may need more than a day to be at a point where his hip is no longer a problem.
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Dear Martin Prado,
You sonovabitch. Well done, and please forgive me.
However, I would like to see this continue for a while before I make a final decision on the 2b issue.
Good game, Bravos (well, most of them). 4 games back and 2 more against these Phils. let’s get it done!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 30, 2009 11:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No need to see more
Deal Kelly and Kotchman for a first baseman. Conor Jackson? Aubrey Huff? Idk, you tell me.
SubParr
by nick9314 on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Conor Jackson who is on the 60 day DL...that would be balanced.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to retract my statement (Before I get murdered)
I didn’t realize that this was Huff’s walk year.
SubParr
by nick9314 on Jul 1, 2009 12:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
After months on this website, i always re-read my stuff like 6 times so i dont get my nuts cut off.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 1, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we have never cut off anyone’s nuts…although there was an incident involving a nail and BigJoe’s dick a whole back in regards to Garland
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 1, 2009 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prado has been better than KJ all season, and should continue to start.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jun 30, 2009 11:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...except in May, when he was OPSing 653 to Kelly's 828
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 30, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but he was still better with …. um,his other….um things that he …ahhh shit!
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 1, 2009 1:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Consistancy is king
stats are secondary
by Fischerking on Jul 1, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prado was bad in May.
Which was the consistent part of that?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justification for someone that clearly doesnt support your ideas, or just likes being a smartass, isnt really necessary.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, its never stopped with me. Kelly has always been inconsistent and Prado, when given considerable playing time has produced.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except, you know, when he hasn't.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Final Decision Done !!
Kelly Johnson has had his shot, and w/ his contract simply trade him w/ some pitching package not named Hanson, JJ, Vasquez, and get another bat for this lineup. Frenchy can go w/ KJ in a package as well.
Please let Infante come back so that will force the Braves to make the choice, Prado & Infante have at-least earned the platoon role and Prado has earned the spot to start.
Bobby make the move and put him in the starting line up all the time. That is what most people on the blog have been saying since after the first mth of the season.
Gonzo a rough nite but he will bounce back like he always does. I just hope we do not do anything dumb and trade Yunel !!
An please call up CHRIS BURKE and send Diory H. back to AAA where he belongs.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 30, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Diory cost us a run tonight when he went to cover 2nd when Utley hit that little squibber where he had been.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was doing his job.
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
by TennKen on Jul 1, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may be remembering a different play, but didn’t they have the shift on defensively and he simply hit it the other way?
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
by NCChopper on Jul 1, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, he broke way too early to cover second and Utley dribbled one through the hole he created. He’s in over his head.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on Jul 1, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats the play, he looked goofy.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AGREED
Just toss Kotchman in that deal and get a power hitting 1B.
A little Rosterbation for your troubles…
McLouth
Prado
Chip
{Power HItting 1B}
McCann
Escobar
FUGA
Ugh, Frenchy. Wait, Diaz.
SubParr
by nick9314 on Jul 1, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im thinking maybe KJ for someone like Christian Guzman or Luis Castillo who can slap hit, get on base, move on the basepaths better, and score.
Yea, KJ can steal, when we send him, but he needs to get on base to do it.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know you didn't just say Luis Castillo
3 More Years, 18 Million. ‘Nuff Said. The guy flat out can’t hit. His defense has declined because his knees are shot.
SubParr
by nick9314 on Jul 1, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FAIL....
Luis Castillo? Really? You would trade KJ for Luis Castillo? If we traded anybody for Castillo and his fat contract, I would seriously have to wonder if Frank Wren was on crack.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Jul 1, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant hit?
Castillo has 14 less AB entering today, has 6 more runs, 10 more hits, 14 more walks, 22 less Ks, 4 more steals, almost 100 points higher in OBP and his BA is significantly higher .216—-.278
The guy is better all around and would be an upgrade, check your stats and know what your talking about first.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im trying to figure out how Prado and Infante platoon . . .
usually a platoon is a LH and a RH
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 1:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not necessarily… the Brewers platoon 3B at a pretty random rate. they do so at 2B as well
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Jul 1, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So it's just a shared position.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Shhhhh
just…. enjoy the win…….shhhhhh…….
by TexUGAn on Jun 30, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ohhh, one win against the Phillies at home out of the last 10. Until we start doing better than 3-68 w/RISP we will continue to look like dogs. Our Team ERA is 4th best in the MLB and were a middle-of-the-division team.
The base paths belonged to me, the runner. The rules gave me the right. I always went into a bag full speed, feet first. I had sharp spikes on my shoes. If the baseman stood where he had no business to be and got hurt, that was his fault. -Ty Cobb
by Jurrjens' Surgeons on Jul 1, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was a long title to your post…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we were a game back and in third...
would you still be pissed?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Prado should start, we already had a convo about this though, hopefully this one wont get out of control like that one did. I think Prado should at least be givin a chance.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Call Me A Kiss Ass, but...
Way to go, Gondeee. You called this at least a year ago. I never thought that Prado deserved the starting job, but you did. Nice call.
SubParr
by nick9314 on Jul 1, 2009 12:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bobbys already announced that Prado is the starting 2B, check Bowman or DOB blogs.
http://www.whensidslid.com
by garriscp on Jul 1, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
Sucks for Kelly. Wonder if they send him to the minors or something to work his stuff out or if they just give up on him and trade him
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'd be all for
a deal of KJ, Kotch and Medlen for a good hitting 1B. Is there ANY chance we could get Mark Reynolds from Arizona?? I would pee my pants. And before everyone yells about his K’s, its really ok. No one strikes out that much in the lineup and a Reynolds/Dunn type is exactly what we need.
2009 Atlanta Braves Motto: We ♥ leaving RISP.
by mvhsbball on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would hope...
…they keep him on the bench to have handy when Prado gets over his hot streak and starts playing like a utility infielder. Not that I mind him starting while he is hot. It would be dumb, in my opinion, to get rid of KJ.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
by sddbaker on Jul 1, 2009 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i see your point.
And i also disagree with trading KJ, Kotch and Medlen . . . unless we are getting someone of V-Marts caliber even then i doubt that nets him. im pretty sure they would rather have Freeman instead of Kotchman.
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's not much good off the bench only being able to play one position.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t going to end well for anyone involved, but the plummet is going to be spectacular.
And if you were in the open thread you know that MIKE GONZALEZ IS HORRIBLE AND SHOULD BE RAN OUT OF TOWN ON A RAIL. HE COST US THIS GAME AND IS TOO INCONSISTENT AND HORRIBLE TO BE A BRAVE, FUCK HIM AND HIS GYRATIONS
by bigjoe on Jul 1, 2009 7:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It’s amazing that you can predict the future.
Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a s#!t about the rules?!?
by TennKen on Jul 1, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, looking at Nitram’s stats and without being able to see him much in person, I don’t think you’re giving him his fair shake. I’m a KJ fan as well, but Kelly has had his opportunities, and right now we need someone with the hot hand.
At this point calling Johnson’s BABIP simply luck is missing the whole picture. Sure he’s gotten unlucky, but something else is wrong too, which is why I agree the its Prado’s turn to see what he can do.
by soup du jour on Jul 1, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
bigjoe
Very interesting that you want to get rid of an inconsistent Gonzalez but yet you wanna KEEP starting a VERY inconsistent KJ. VERY VERY VERY INTERESTING.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you missed it.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sarcasm reception fail.
"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09
by 10-4 on Jul 1, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol ahhhh. You know its severely hard to tell sarcasm on here sometimes especially when you never know when someone is sayin that and serious. He could have easily been serious but my bad for missin the sarcasm.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
typically, when Large Joseph types in all caps, he is being sarcastic.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i should have realized especially comin from a veteran member on here.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are still a tool.
And a predictable one at that.
by get swoll yunel on Jul 1, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
completely uncalled for.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I knew before I even opened this thread that there was going to be some condescending remark from joe about our little spat from yesterday. It’s tired and completely predictable. There is this weird clique here that seems to think they are the end-all, be-all for any and all arguments having to do with baseball, and the assholish way some of these dudes go about their arguments can be pretty weak. And joe always seems to get a pass for it because he has this rep for just being “asshole joe” and that’s the way it is.
So I don’t really know who you are or what you have to do with anything, but I’m pretty sure my remark (and the context in which it was made) has nothing to do with you.
by get swoll yunel on Jul 1, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
other than the fact
that I just happened to read you call someone a tool without giving any context or background info. If i see someone getting personal like that, I try to call them out on it.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last night's game .....
Had more positives than negatives, which was very nice for a change and we come away with the WIN to start the series with the Phillies. I love the fact we stopped the insane 9-game winning streak the Phils had at OUR ballpark and had 13 hits against them in doing so.
It was good seeing others in the lineup coming through since the meat of the order is struggling. Now, if we can get all our cylinders firing at once we may have a chance at making ourselves a threat in the NLE.
I like the speed of Blanco & Prado at the top. When Nate comes back, it will allow us to plug in another speedy runner somewhere in the lineup…like Boog said a few weeks back, “speed doesn’t slump”. I think Bobby should let Prado start and keep Kelly as backup until Infante returns.
Lowe wasn’t stellar, but like a lot of our pitchers of late – giving up 2 runs should not lose you a ballgame and luckily last night it didn’t….but once again, our bullpen robbed our starter who held the opposition to less than 3 runs of the win.
Gyrating Gonzo failed last night, pure and simple. I wasn’t calling for his head on a platter after giving up back to back homers in the 8th last night, but I can and will bitch about the way he goes about his job of late. I recall someone saying last night he’s been “perfect” the previous 5 games – well as far as actual runs scored maybe (thank God for the defense behind him), but the drama that almost always surrounds his appearances makes you watch with your eyes partly covered because more times than not there’s a base runner (or two) involved. I like him and love watching him on the mound when he’s ON, but I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to want him to save a game or come in the game in the 8th and keep them off the bases more consistently.
I’m psyched about tonight’s game – hoping we can take the series against the Phillies.
A sweep would just be Christmas in July!
And if I never hear about FYF’s underwear again I’ll be a happy woman.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
by NCChopper on Jul 1, 2009 8:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gonzo
he is just doing his best K-Rod impression.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong.
Gonzalez’ previous five games before this one were one-two-three innings.
And he hadn’t allowed a run in 15 games before this.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
do you work???
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder
how much you and I have made this past week by blogging…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Other people would be upset to know, I'd say.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are not kidding...
taxpayer dollars at work, i guess. I love having a “hurry up and wait” job.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Feel ya there man.. Bored Supply Specialist here, lol
"A Tar Heel Born and a Tar Heel bred, and when i die ill be a Tar Heel dead."
by mad_dog_maddux on Jul 1, 2009 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DLA?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope, just working supply for a basic training company.
"A Tar Heel Born and a Tar Heel bred, and when i die ill be a Tar Heel dead."
by mad_dog_maddux on Jul 1, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention RIDICULOUSLY inconsistent.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing ridiculous about him, just commenting on how when he takes the mound I don’t exhale until it’s over
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
by NCChopper on Jul 1, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So what your’e saying is he’s terrible
Terrible? Nope, not what I said. I said he tends to have drama of base runners (which is not exactly what you want from a closer). Then I added:
I like him and love watching him on the mound when he’s ON, but I don’t think I’m being unreasonable to want him to save a game or come in the game in the 8th and keep them off the bases more consistently.
His last 5 games:
First 3 were 1,2,3 and out. Last 2 allowed 2 hits each with 3 earned runs and 1 Save in 2SO.
For June: 15IP, 13H, 7R, 4BB
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
by NCChopper on Jul 1, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ludicrous
The guy is clearly one of the best relievers in the game and you clearly know nothing about baseball.
[/sarcasm]
by get swoll yunel on Jul 1, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The list of things I clearly know nothing about is much longer than just baseball LOL.
"Well behaved women rarely make history" ~ Laurel Ulrich
by NCChopper on Jul 1, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that very few relievers have WHIPs under 1, right?
That’s apparently what you’re looking for.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep starting Prado. I like KJ, but Prado deserves to keep starting until he falls off the face of the earth or until he starts getting as unlucky as KJ. KJ should be a solid bat off the bench.
I wish Diaz could man RF though.
I will say that Frenchy has looked better at the plate. He still moves his head too much which messes up his hands and he ends up chopping on the ball. But there is no excuse for swinging at the first pitch with the bases loaded when the pitcher hasn’t been consistently throwing strikes. I wanted to punch him in the nuts for that.
Good win though.
by Sparhawk on Jul 1, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why would Johnson be any more of a "solid bat off the bench" than he would be as a starter?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
By the same token that everyone feels that Prado is better coming off the bench than starting. He’s had a down year, but he’s still a decent hitter that can work counts.
by Sparhawk on Jul 1, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kelly to RF!
How about just platooning Kelly with Jeff in RF? That way we at least consolidate all the suck into one position and there’s more chance that Kelly will start hitting right handers than that Jeff will.
by redwards95 on Jul 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Everybody wanting to trade Kelly but who plays second when Prado is filling in for Chip. I really doubt anything gets done until we get infante back.
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Jul 1, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would be shocked if the Braves traded KJ during the season, despite all the bitching about him on this board.
Francoeur: "If OBP is so important, why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
Chipper: "Wow, you really are a dumbass."
by Rhyno18 on Jul 1, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just made a fanshot
but according to Buster Olney, Esco is on the block…I wonder if KJ could play SS? As bad as he has been, he has been better than Diory.
Wasn’t he a SS coming up through the system?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL, with all the KJ haters on this board, I can’t wait to see the responses you get at the thought of moving him to SS.
He was drafted as a SS, but the organization moved him to the outfield pretty quickly, and you really don’t see lefties at the ML level on that side of the infield. I think the plan would be for Diory to hold the spot down until Omar comes back.
I wouldn’t mind if the Braves packaged Kotchman in a deal, then all the Prado fanbois could be happy while he played 1B, and I personally would much rather see Prado’s defense at 1B than 2B.
Francoeur: "If OBP is so important, why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
Chipper: "Wow, you really are a dumbass."
by Rhyno18 on Jul 1, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
/facepalm
My bad, had a brain fart, I actually forgot KJ throws right handed. I fail at life.
Francoeur: "If OBP is so important, why don't they put it on the scoreboard?"
Chipper: "Wow, you really are a dumbass."
by Rhyno18 on Jul 1, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
you had me really confused there for a second…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no you don’t, cause you caught your mistake before people ripped you a new one.
so it’s all good!
So if Yunel is on the trade block, does he really have an injury or are they sitting him as they find some takers? Not that that would make much sense to me though.
by Sparhawk on Jul 1, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Idea...
My guess is that this benching is serving 3 purposes right now – nurse the injury, teach him a lesson and give Diory some experience at the position in case he becomes “the man” for the forseeable future.
Your idea could be a reason too…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diory isn’t good enough to be a utility infielder, much less a starter.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on Jul 1, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
but what other options do we have if we trade Yunel?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We dont trade Yunel thats what lol. I mean gettin rid of a great defender like him and one of the best bats on this team with already a putrid offense we might as well pack it in this year.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One would assume we'd get an SS as part of any deal.
And Infante should be back very shortly.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
of course i figure we would prolly get a SS in return but i mean how good would he be? Not as good as Escobar with the bat im sure so we still weaken the offense so still not a very smart move as far as an in season trade.
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by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If this were the deal
we would probably get a serviceable enough ss in return and a big bat. The serviceable ss will obviously not be an upgrade, but the bat WOULD be an upgrade presumably in RF.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wonder who we could trade with to um . . . do that kind of deal.
What teams do we know have a glaring hole at SS
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who said anything about a glaring hole at SS?
A better question would be “what teams have expendible OFers that they are willing to trade for one of the best SS in the game, who just happens to be making chump change, oh, and who is under team control for another 4 years?” Then said team could throw in a serviceable SS if we throw in a prospect.
Something along those lines could get a deal done.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well what teams are there.
Boston isnt gonna give up Bay and Bay for half a season isnt worth Escobar. Even Bay and Bucholtz. Well maybe then . . . lol
Outside of the Red Sox im not to aware of any other teams. care to enlighten?
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
Boston (Bay isn’t the only impact bat they have)
Toronto
Yankees
Baltimore
Washington
Tampa
Colorado
Cleveland
the list goes on…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haa...
I don’t think the Rox or Yanks are very interested in moving their SSes.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not their starters
of course, but they have others in their organizations that would be better than Diory.
The list is teams who have expendable OFers.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Justin
come on man. “but they have others in their organizations that would be better than Diory.”
Dude thats not sayin a whole lot man. Earlier when you said to get a SS in the deal you know i was thinkin that you meant a guy that can start and be pretty solid your above statement does NOT make me feel comfortable about tradin Escobar just for an OF and a seemingly below average with the bat SS. I mean Frenchy right now is better to have in RF than get a SS that is below average, at least Frenchy is showin some life to him. We will actually be weakening our Putrid offense if that is somehow possible.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
it isn't my fault you thought that
I said all along that the ss we “would” get in return would not be as good as Yunel, but rather, that he would be serviceable. The upgrade in RF would be more than enough to make up for this.
Think of it this way – we go from a horrible RF and great SS to a serviceable SS and great RF…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But why would they take Escobar without a position?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just dont see why we should think to trade Escobar. His great defense and above average offense is vital for this team. He plays a pivotal role for the Braves. I mean i guess it would depend who we could get, im fine with askin around seein who all is out there, i dont see a trade gettin done, nor should it unless its the right deal. I just cant think of a right deal right now, doesn’t mean its not one though.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Burke?
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“LOL, with all the KJ haters on this board, I can’t wait to see the responses you get at the thought of moving him to SS.”
KJ hating? Really? Seems to me most on here like KJ and want to see him continue starting. Sure you have some fans comin on sayin start Prado and then of course me but most people on here love the guy for some unexplained reason. Oh wait thats right his BABIP is really low and he is unlucky thats right, damn im glad i caught myself lol.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The kid IS a butcher at 2B.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will see now that he only plays one position most of the time now and then from time to time to fill in at 3B for Chipper. We will NOW see exactly how good his d is at 2B.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, man, but I think you're as good as you are.
Having to do something everyday will only make your deficiencies more apparently.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will just have to agree to dissagree. I mean im thinkin that if you play basically 1 position you get better at it especially gettin to start there everyday from what he was doin or at least he isn’t as bad as a defensive 2B as it looks. Its just like KJ he has been gettin better than when he originally started there for us a few years ago. And Prado has been playin 2B, 1B, and 3B so he has to do alot. Now he can basically concentrate on playin 2B especially once Infante comes back cause then Infante will be playin 3B and 1B when chipper and Kotchman is hurt or needs a day off.
braves#1
by rockybull on Jul 1, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
Kelly plays one position. That’s not very valuable for a bench guy.
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by MichaelProcton on Jul 1, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McLouth to Right and Batting Fourth?
What If Blanco stayed at the top, McLouth moved to right and batter 4th.
Therefore:
CF Blanco
2B Prado
3B Jones
RF McLovin
C Heaps
SS Esco
LF FUGA
1B Katchrocket
P (whoever)
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by BeantownVol on Jul 1, 2009 11:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I suggested Blanco in CF and Nate in RF a while back…anyone is better than FYF out there.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look at how it expands the line up too. No more black holes.
Package something with KJ, Kotch, and FYF and we could get a nice power piece to gain even more.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Jul 1, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm very hesitant
to trade Kotch…I feel a big 2nd half coming from him, and that glove will be a hard one to replace.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jul 1, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him too
We have much more pitching than hitting as well.
I was the most excited about the lineup as opposed to the trade possibilities.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Jul 1, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Kotch should not be traded. . . .
As far as Blanco in CF. I would be curious to see that. He had a pretty good OBP last year for us.
by drumzalicious on Jul 1, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Diaz in there at some point as well. KJ could spell Prado at 2B on Chipper’s day off.
A baseball game is simply a nervous breakdown divided into nine innings.
~Earl Wilson
by BeantownVol on Jul 1, 2009 11:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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