SIT KELLY JOHNSON!
by BravesFanScout on Jun 24, 2009 12:38 PM EDT
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PrintDear Bobby Cox,
Have you noticed how bad Kelly Johnson is? Obviously not, since he is still playing almost everyday. Johnson is batting .222, has a .293 OBP, .373 Slug., and .667 OPS... Martin Prado, the guy that should be playing, stats are: .283 BA, 348 OBP, .450 Slug., .798 OPS . Oh and to top it off. Prado has 2 errors on the season playing multiple positions compared to Johnson's 5 all at second. I don't know why Cox loves Johnson so much, but he has been consistently inconsistent throughout his career. What does this guy have to do to lose his job? He doesn't even play smart. He doesn't move runners up, he doesn't get runners in from third with one or no outs, all he does is try to hit homeruns and pull the ball. He has popped out more than anyone I have seen in the past 3 weeks. Prado is a great, smart hitter, and has hit over .300 every year from the minors to the majors. Does Bobby even look at the stats? What does Kelly Johnson do that is so great? If it has to do with righty/ lefty match ups the stats don't match up their either. Kelly vs. Righties: .184 BA. Prado vs. Righties: .257. Kelly vs Lefties: .313 BA. Prado vs Lefties: .320 BA.... So now what are the reasons for playing Kelly? All the stats show he should be sitting on the bench. I don't like Frenchy much either, but really Johnson is just as big a problem as he and we don't give him as much heat.
Thanks,
Peace
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Check BABIP stats
and others. KJ is very unlucky so far this season. Cox is using him a lot, but not in situations that he is likely to succeed (doesn’t hit leadoff well, hits lefties better than righties). KJ is the type of player that should have been left alone so he could work through his problems. His every other day schedule is keeping him from getting a rhythm. I think the opposite is the problem, he needs to play more.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 24, 2009 12:51 PM EDT reply actions
I dont care if Kelly is unlucky Martin gets hits and plays defense so he should start
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jun 24, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado plays defense?
Since when?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Martin started for a good while while Chipper/Kotchman were in/out or KJ got a day off, and his average spiraled from about .300 to .230. I don’t think he’s an everyday player. Kelly’s average is not up to snuff, but he nearly always puts the ball in play and they WILL start to drop. He’s got a natural power stroke and it will end up paying off soon. He plays hard and plays a more-than-solid 2B. If possible, he just works TOO hard, and he psychs himself out. Then there’s the whole lineup situation…if he had been hitting middle-down all season, I think his numbers would be different. He’s not a top-of-the-order guy.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 25, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I keep hearing the unlucky thing, but the guy can’t be unlucky for his career. His lack of consistency is maddening.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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Not arguing about his inconsistency
but the problem is that, unlike Frenchy, whenever KJ starts to falter, he gets platooned. Same last year. I think, if Cox would leave him the hell alone, he might get into it better so that those inconsistencies even out and eventually he finds consistency.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 24, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions
…the problem is that, unlike Frenchy, whenever KJ starts to falter, he gets platooned.
+1
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 25, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m not sure I buy BABIP as a valid stat for luck of a hitter, especially in this case. I think it is more telling of a pitcher. If Kelly is hitting the ball in the same place every time or popping out every time how does that make him less lucky. Its not like this is the percentage of line drives that are caught or number of web gems made off your plays. This could easily be that defenses know how to play Kelly.
I’d doubt that without evidence that fielders position themselves differently against him or evidence that he sprays the ball to the same spot all the time. Instead, I’d point to a .141 average when he hits ground balls which compares to a .235 average over his career (much more in line with the ML average). Either Kelly is making less hard contact or having the bad luck to hit fewer ground balls toward the holes (or both). If we adjust his luck on ground balls to his career numbers, he adds 7 hits and now has a .253 average and a better looking line overall.
I love the if games with stats. Yeah, if he had more hits, he’d have a higher average, but he doesn’t. I know you have a hard on for KJ and will defend him with all kind of phantom stats, but the dude’s just not that great of a player.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
You’re normally pretty level headed, so I’ll actually respond to your trolling.
If Kelly is getting unlucky (and he is to a degree) then it makes sense to adjust his stats to account for that if we want to know how well he’s playing. Pretending that run of bad luck didn’t happen and pretending his true talent is that of a 225/280/375 hitter just doesn’t make sense.
Is it a phantom stat that his batting average of ground balls is half what it has been in his career? Is it a phantom stat that he’s walking and hitting extra-base hits at the same rate as last season and actually striking out less?
He’s been the 7th and 8th best hitting second baseman in major league baseball in 2007 and 2008. Including his horrid 2009, he’s been the 9th best hitting 2B since 2007. That’s not a great player, but it’s a good one. A team that can give a corner outfielder who’s a worse hitter 3.5 years and counting as a regular can certainly give Kelly Johnson time to get out of a slump.
LOL!
I totally agree with his comments. If Kelly is unlucky he’s been unlucky since becoming a Brave.KJ has always been a streaky hitter but this is more than luck, streak or even a slump. A slump usually last a month or less. When do we say we have given him enough time? It sounds as if some on here would like to give him all year. KJ is costing us games and he needs a break from the pressure. Just put Prado in for a short time and give KJ some time to relax and not feel so much pressure at the plate.
I also don’t understand the unlucky deal. Players throughout MLB are struggling at the plate but they or their fans are not playing the “unlucky” card. This would mean KJ has been unlucky for long stints of every year he has played.
By the way I don’t play the numbers game. I believe what I see..
Yes, educated fans are "playing the unlucky card."
Because statistics have shown that a player should maintain a consistent hits:contact ratio throughout his career. When that number falls off by 30%+, you’re not bad, you’re unlucky.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Me trying to become an "educated' fan...
If a hitter begins hitting bloops and weak grounders, wouldn’t the hits: contact ratio drop severely?
You're using anecdotal evidence based on, at best, a few months of your own observations
Such observations are hardly scientific.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
And prior to this year, he was an above-average hitter.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
They don't mean unlucky in the traditional sense...
What they are saying is his BABIP is low.
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
You watch the games, right? You can’t watch the games and not see the amount of times that KJ mashes a ball right at someone. Don’t need stats for that.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 25, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Sure, you could say that, but then you aren’t really looking at BABIP anymore, you are looking at GB% or something else. And that could be caused by a number of things. All ground balls are not equal. The point is that right now Kelly is making crappy hits and he deserves to get out. It has nothing to do with career averages of any stat let alone BABIP.
No, I’m looking at Batting average on ground balls which is BABIP only broken down by launch angle.
And is he really making crappy hits? You’re right to point out that all ground balls aren’t equal, but without any evidence that he’s making weaker contact, how can we conclude that? This is a situation that hopefully Hit f/x can help with once sample sizes are larger.
Your right, KJ needs to play more. He needs to play in the MINORS! He’s terriable. His defense is a suspect and he is not a desciplined hittter. Lasrt year to this date I beleive he had about 30-50 walks or something, so far he has less then 20. If your not hitting draw some walks, steal some bases and play some defense. GET HIM OUT! I am OK with having prado as my starting 2nd basemen. He’s a right handed bat and plays exceptional defense. KJ needs to be traded
by AlRoBraves95 on Jun 27, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions
His defense is a suspect
It was Kelly Johnson in the library with the candlestick.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 27, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Martin has been hitting lately and Kelly is stinking it up. Prado’s gotta play
I say plug Prado in for a few games and let Kelly watch. Let him take extra BP and try to figure himself out.
It’s hard to win games when you have two automatic outs at the end of your line up.
Amen to the automatic 2 outs at the end of the line up! Something has to be done about this. It is costing us runs most every game!
Did you watch the game last night? Francoeur got multiple hits. Hardly automatic. He’s been hitting over .300 the past couple weeks…he could be waking up.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 25, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
And he's hitting below .250 if you take that up to three.
Pardon us if we’re not buying two weeks worth of decent contact hitting (just 3 XBH in that same three-week span) as a sign of a guy who’s got it figured out and is going to be an even average hitter from here on.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Prado has been quasi-injured (and obviously Omar is out right now)
Prado needs to rest up as well. He’s not Superman. What better time to let Kelly attempt to get hot again?
That’s all I’m saying. I’ve seen Kelly playing better even in the last week.
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(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 24, 2009 1:15 PM EDT reply actions
Prado's also isn't the second baseman Kelly is.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I still dont get what your talkin about with the “Prado’s also isn’t the second baseman Kelly is” bullshit. Its not just you its all the Prado haters out there. Its absurd. He was rated in the minors as one of the best defensive 2B there. He was considered a wiz there and his bat was always the question. You know maybe if he didn’t have to play 1B, 3B, AND then 2B and if he just started at 2B everyday MAYBE just maybe you would see this guy’s defensive ability. And its definately NOT easy to be playing 3 different infield positions in a year and playin 3B just as much or more than 2B.
braves#1
small sample size is nothin man. Lets see what he does with only startin at 2B and startin everyday you will see a difference. Its not like KJ is a great defender so whatever.
braves#1
When it comes to errors (AH FUCK MY EYES, ERRORS!!!!!), he’s got 7 in 300 innings…thats not too good
Kelly only has 5 errors. If you meant Prado, stop using nothing but pronouns.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 25, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Reading's not so hard, bro.
Just keep clicking “up” until you figure it out.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No, I’d rather listen to general good English mechanics and be sure to rename my pronouns every other sentence or so. Please don’t presume you can tell ANYONE what to do.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 25, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny, nobody else seemed to have a problem with it.
And if you’re going to whine about English mechanics, you might want to know that you need an adverb to describe the adjective good, thus, GENERALLY.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions
It’s official, you cannot disagree with someone without coming off as a complete jerk. Have fun living in your mother’s basement, troll.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 25, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry, Michael
That was mean of me to say. But the point remains, you need some classes on tact.
by Jareth Cutestory on Jun 25, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions
And you need some classes on hypocracy...
If you’re going to whine about grammar, don’t have a grammatical error IN THAT POST.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 25, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Wait, so with my 1000 comments to your 11...
I’m the troll?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, you’ve made a lot of comments in a short time. I’ve been on here a year longer and you’re not that far behind me.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Haha...what can I say?
I like having an outlet. And I don’t even do game threads.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Really? REALLY?
Prado’s fielding % in the minors was .983. Kelly’s in the majors is .979.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
Bobby Cox has been really fickled with his loyalty towards KJ, he platooned him at every possible chance during 08 when he was struggling but stuck with him during that terrible slump he had when he was called up during his rookie year. The one consistent factor is the replacement player. I think if Prado were 100% injury wise and Infante 80% instead of disabled either of them would get Kelly’s AB’s. Also I think it’s the lack of depth resulting from their injuries because it would make Diory Hernandez the primary utility guy as opposed to the third option.
Kelly's not a huge douche and has never blamed all his problems on somebody else.
That’s why people don’t dislike him like Francoeur. Further, he’s been an above-average player for two years running prior to this one, as opposed to Francoeur, who has been below-average for a year and a half plus.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
Kelly will bounce back. The way he handles himself at the plate, there is no reason to be worried what-so-ever.
If I was Bobby, I would keep playing him, too.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 24, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Kelly’s batted ball rates are off his career norms, which is driving his BABIP down a lot, plus he’s just been unlucky on top of that. Has anyone who watches the Braves every day noticed Kelly swinging differently? He’s hitting a lot more fly balls at the expense of grounders and line drives so perhaps he’s screwed up with his swing. At any rate, his power and walk rate are spot on last season and he’s actually striking out less.
I don’t think the argument here is about whether we like Kelly Johnson or not, I really like the guy, my first few memories of being a Braves fan seem to all be of Kelly hitting home runs. But at the moment he is stinking the place out. If we were short of a decent replacement, if we weren’t reaching a point in the season when we could either prove ourselves to have potential to contend or to fall out of the race completely then I would agree that we should give him time. HOWEVER, we are at a key point in our season and Martin Prado is a ready made replacement. At least give Prado a few games, if he sucks as badly as Kelly has then we haven’t really lost anything imo as I can’t see Kelly magically turning things around right now.
by FromTheBellyOfWickman on Jun 24, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions
well, kelly magically went into this slump…there is no reason why he cant get out of it at any time, as evidenced by his career trends of being really hot and then being really cold then being really hot again.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Those trends are why I’m all for getting a new 2B. I can’t handle the roller coaster.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
sigh.............Omar is out. Any other time, Prado would be there for the cold spells.
We are a little short-changed right now, especially when Prado isn’t 100%.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 24, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
but the ride up is so much fun!
:)
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 24, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Who cares what the peaks and valleys look like if the end result is a top ten or better offensive player at his position? Prado’s upside is Kelly Johnson’s average ML line, without the versatility that having Prado on the bench gives us. Kelly’s a streaky guy; how’s he going to adapt to a bench role. We’ve already seen that Prado can maintain his production coming off the bench. I’d argue that part of Kelly’s struggles this year have been because Cox keeps jerking his chain and benching him after every 0-12 streak. Repetition is a pretty big part of hitting and it’s definitely possible that Kelly’s swing got fucked up playing 4 times a week in April and May.
I don’t think Prado is the answer, and yes, Kelly ends up fine, but we have so many guys who are just Ok that we can’t sustain a guy this inconsistent. When he’s not hitting, we seem to suck. When he is, we seem to do alright. Seems like somebody who could be as average as he is, but consistent, would do a lot to make the team a whole more consistent.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
doesnt that seem like Kell yisnt the problem its the other guys who need to be replaced…we don’t have a replacement for KJ, theres very few 2B better than him when u look at his stats at the end of the year (the ones that are better are virtually untouchable). OF (or 3B…. ya Im calling out Chipper, he is a bum… cant even hit 320 /sarcasm)
If we had a better RF the inconsistencies at 2B wouldnt be such a problem, like they weren’t a problem in 2007, when our offense was more consistent.
I agree its maddening to watch a player as streaky as KJ everyday (which is why I hope to GOd we don’t trade for Corey “I wear my sunglasses at night” Hart), but I dont think he is the problem. He may be a minor problem, but if we get other areas fixed his struggles will be mitigated. Right now we need him to produce because of the black hole that is our lineup 5-9 (might be a bit of an overstatement to relegate all those guys to suckitude), that when he doesnt it kill us.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Nobody is THE problem, but Kelly, Kotchman, Francoeur, and Anderson are problems. We have 4 guys who aren’t great Major League players and are helping us work our way into mediocrity.
I don’t think talking about frustrations with one guy is singling him out. The guy has been our starting 2B for 3 years and hasn’t really gotten any better, in the supposedly prime years of his career.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Any better than what? He had two straight seasons where he had the 3rd highest OPS among NL second basemen. He’s had a bad month and a half this year, fueled by a bad BABIP.
Prior to the start of June his OPS was still a fairly respectable .766 (in spite of that low BABIP.
I swear, everyone is freaking out over a good player having a few bad weeks.
Well, first of all, batting average doesn’t mean much. And if almost is 16 points away, then that’s new to me.
His OBP is still only .315 and his slugging is only .396, meaning all those hits are singles. The guy doesn’t have any ability to steal bases, so he’s pretty much never putting himself in scoring position.
LF is by far the easiest position on the field to play, so it should be an offense first position. A singles hitter with no speed is definitely a problem.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
He's OPSing 943 in the last two weeks...
With 14 Rs and RBIs in 11 games. Frankly, I’ll take that from a guy at any position.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Look, if they can all use the argument that Kelly isn’t bad because of a couple of weeks, then I can use the argument that Anderson isn’t good because of a couple of weeks.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
+1
Although I expect the old man to heat up as the weather gets warmer. Anderson has historically been a second half player.
by soup du jour on Jun 25, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions
But that's the thing...
It’s not just a couple weeks either way. Kelly and GA have been good players over their careers.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 25, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand… all Im saying is if we can upgrade another area that is easier to upgrade (which is any spot in the OF)… then the problems of KJ will no longer be as pressing (IMHO)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
This makes a lot of sense.
Btw, did your girl give you your balls back or something? You have been on here two days in a row making lengthy posts…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 24, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
shut up….i havent been as tired from work as usual… im not like u i work outside for 6-7 hours a day
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
yeah...
I wish i had a job on the water.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 25, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
SPAM!
:P
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by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Dump him, forget the benching aspect of things!!!!
I think Kelly should be traded and if Infante have not gotten hurt he would have been b/c with his salary and his lack of production ummm we need to dump him and Frenchy in a deal for an outfielder, god I wish we would get our hands of Ludwick.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 24, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions
Yeah, let’s just spit on what is widely accepted as good information (GB%, FB%, BABIP, etc.) and bench a guy for having a tough month.Great idea.
its NOT just one tough month he always does this crap. His inconsistency is awful. I mean 3 months last year he was flat out horrendous, then 3 months he was above average. Now he has been horrendous and its NOT just this one month it always happens with this guy this is who he is, this is how he will ALWAYS play bottom line. Try to talk yourselves in believing he is better than this but its clear he isn’t.
braves#1
“above average” is an understatement. If he was flat out horrendous yet still ended up in the top tier of his position, he must have been pretty damn good, not just “above average”.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 25, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
bingo!
"It breaks your heart. It is designed to break your heart. The game begins in the spring, when everything else begins again, and it blossoms in the summer, filling the afternoons and evenings, and then as soon as the chill rains come, it stops and leaves you to face the fall alone." A. Bartlett Giamatti
First off, STOP LOOKING AT BATTING AVERAGE YOU GODDAMN DOLT.
Prado is a great, smart hitter, and has hit over .300 every year from the minors to the majors
2003 with GCL: .286
2005 with MB/Miss: .298
2006 with Miss/Rich: .281
2006 with Braves: .262
2007 with Braves: .288
2009 with Braves: .289’
EVERY YEAR, FROM THE MINORS TO THE MAJORS.
Do these fucking people even do their research anymore? Oh, and he’s totaled 26 sacrifice hits in 2620 career plate appearances, or one every 100…thats what, one a month in full time play?
by bigjoe on Jun 25, 2009 9:25 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Dont be such a garbage man
you number lover!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
hello
I want to comment on this post.I went and watched the Braves @ Reds on the 18th.Prado is a patient contact hitter with a bit of pop also.The comment on Johnson is batting to high in the order ,puzzles me to how anyone could make that statement,and still say he is a good hitter.A good hitter will hit anywhere in the order or get on base by walks.Prado had a full count on almost every at bat.Im not saying that Johnson is no good,im saying that Prado is better.By they way,Hanson will be a very,very good pitcher.
Not true.
Where you hit in the lineup can totally change your objective and approach. And since when does watching a single game qualify you to determine a player as a “patient contact hitter with a bit of pop.” Yeah, 21 career home runs in somewhere around 2500 professional ABs worth of pop. WOW!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
sometimes you just gotta know when the discussion is worth continuing. I have learned this the hard way. Don’t stoop to certain levels, and whether you are right or wrong (I believe we are on the same page here) just let it go sometimes.
(btw, this isn’t in reference to this particular comment, but the ones up above)
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I know...
But by the same token, I’m not just going to ignore someone who chooses to repeatedly insult me personally when they can’t construct a logical or rational argument.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I get that
but ya gotta let garbage in and garbage out sometimes (PUN INTENDED!) I just completely stopped trying to reason with some. I like to be snarky and poke fun and be sarcastic as much as anyone, but good lord, some people take it too far.
just like you and I the other day – completely and strongly disagreeing, yet still cordial and respectful. I like it when things like that happen. Smoltz Beard and I used to go at it too (about Dunn) but it’s all good now. I just don’t understand why other people have to be dickish around here…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Internet anonymity is a boon to such folks.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Also...
Would you care to expand on the “certain levels” part of that? If you’re just talking about wasting my own time, I don’t care about that, but I don’t think I attacked the guy on anything but the merits of his argument (or lack thereof.)
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions
You may want to look to my signature for inspiration on this one… do not respond to anything this guy says… that is an actual quote directly from him. BUt we do love him so
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
what were some of his other ones?
I remember everyone had a fatazfoot quote in their signature for a while.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Aha...
thanks for the heads up.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 26, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions
HOLY SHIT! IT’S FAZAFOOT!
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
Play them now!!! They are ready!!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 26, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
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