Javy and Frenchy being watched.
by That a boy on Jun 23, 2009 12:11 AM EDT
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What a great game tonight, or should I say just great pitching. Braves still left a lot on base but a win is a win for me. I am pissed though at how many cubs fans were there instead of Braves. We were out numbered 3:1 it seemed. Come out and support the Braves this home stand if your in the area support is needed because Yankee fans and Boston fans travel just as much as The Cubs fans, and we need this Home stand.
Well to the point of my post. I was very privileged to have great seats tonight and sat right behind four scouts. Me being the nosey fan I am I was looking at their notes. 1 scout was from San Fransico. He was writing tons of notes about our RF, and I started thinking what in the world do the Giants want to do with Frenchy. I now they need a power bat but Frenchy isnt that. Then the scout next to him was from the Astros ( hmmm very interesting) is what I thought to myself. For he was scouting our starting pitcher. In his notes the scout wrote things like nasty curve, and wrote clutch after getting out of some tough situations. The Astros were rumored to be in on Peavy though not serious, but if they could take on Peavy's contract Im sure they could take on JV's. I know scouts are always scouting players and it usually means nothing because some are advanced scouts to go back and discuss opponents with their teams. But it was awesome to sit behind scouts and read their notes. Also, A Marlins scout was in the house and like the Giants scout he was only writing notes about Frenchy. Frenchy went 2-4 tonight and had a good game. Well come out to the Ted this week I will be in the Parking lot drinking my ass off just incase we get our asses drug I will be numb. And if you get the chance to talk to some scouts tap in to them its very interesting to see how they look at the game instead of a fans perspective!! Go braves.
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Yeah, I’m really not buying the trading Javy rumors. I read on one of the MLBTR links that our front office has said all of our current starters and our ‘top prospects’ are off limits. I really don’t think Wren/Cox want to see how our rotation would fair without our sub 3.50ERA 200IP 200K #3 workhorse after what happened last year.
Now Frenchy getting traded…. I can see that.
i dont think they do anything with Frenchy till after the AS break. If he keeps playing better i think they will keep him. If he would stop swinging at the 1st pitch he could get a lot more pitches to put in play. he keeps thinking its because of who is behind him when its because the pitchers know he is going to come out swinging
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Playing better means his OPS has gone from .528 in May to .651 in June. Sure, that’s a pretty big improvement, but it’s still horrible.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
I mean could we look at the positive part. I mean taking his OPS up 100 points is a good improvement and it merits us being a little more patient to see if it keeps improving.
Just seems like no matter what you say positive about the guy on here you guys always wanna turn it back negative
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions
thats because even with a 651 OPS and improvemtn of 100 pts… he still needs to add 150 more pts to become a good OF… he needs to add 100 more pts to become serviceable.
thats seems like a tall order. to me at least
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
we could have said the same for GA
but he has started to come around. i say at least give him to the AS break. thats been my timeline with him the whole season. If at the AS break he still hasnt gotten better then i will leave it alone trying to defend him.
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions
He had an excuse.
He was injured and hadn’t played baseball in a month when he came back. What can Francoeur point to that was holding him back?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions
around here tho a lot of people including myself were harping on him without any kind of excuse being acceptable
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions
On the notes from the Giants scout I saw aggressive approach. Frenchy swung at 4 first pitchers!!!! Stating the obvious! I really didn’t pay to much attention to what they were saying about him though because I was sitting behind the Astros scout, and I was praying the FO was up to anything on JV. The scout was beating around the bush. I just wanted the truth.
Baseball is my life
“Agressive Approach.” Amazing insight. Way to analyze scout!
by ghost of tom thobe on Jun 23, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
I think a lot of teams will be scouting Francoeur...
They’ve got to see if he’s worth the transaction fee to run him out in AA.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
Thanks for the info
just praying the FO is not considering trading Javy. We have a good starting pitching rotation and would be relieved to know it is definitely OFF LIMITS as far as trading is concerned.
Try to sit behind them more this week and give us any updates.
I like getting this info from a reliable source.
That a boy with the scoop!
Nice work.
AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.
Pitch 1: In play, out(s)
p.s.
why would scouts fly allll the way to Atlanta to watch a guy play. I know its their job and all, but havent they heard of mlb xtra innings? Not to mention you see the movements of the pitch much better on TV than you do in the stands.
AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.
Pitch 1: In play, out(s)
by Scott Coleman on Jun 23, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions
uhhh
ya? fill me in to why im apparently crazy.
AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.
Pitch 1: In play, out(s)
by Scott Coleman on Jun 23, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions
You really think you can get a better view of a game on TV than in person?
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
You also have a choice of where to look, not just where the camera's facing.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions
I think baseball coverage on TV is why people think baseball is boring, because, on TV, it is boring. You see pretty much one thing 95% of the time, the pitcher and the hitter. It’s painfully boring sometimes. But, when you go to a game, you can actually watch all the vital things that go on in a game and get an appreciation for them. And yes, you can see the ball break better in person too.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
my bad
i see your points
AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.
Pitch 1: In play, out(s)
by Scott Coleman on Jun 23, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Don’t ya hate those commercials… that and the Verizon Wireless sprinkles/ice cream commerical.
by Cammando2317 on Jun 23, 2009 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Whatever...they're great!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh I definitely hate that stinkin Verizon sprinkles commercial!
I change the channel every time it’s on.
Even when Huddy comes back……….WE SHOULD HAVE A 6 MAN ROTATION……..if we’re smart.
"The future is no place to place your better days." - Dave Matthews ~ RIP Roi
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Jun 23, 2009 8:12 AM EDT reply actions
Lowe
JJ
Vaz
Hanson
Hudson
I think KK should go in the pen for long relief. Those other five all have the ablilty to shut a team down on any given night. He and Medlen would be nice to have for long relief. Also KK gives us the ablilty to take the ball out of Bennet’s hands.
why?
KK has been lights-out lately. In case you missed it, he went face to face with Halliday. He also went head-to-head with Dice-K and proved who the better Japanese pitcher is.
KK would be a horrible addition to the bullpen, IMO.
Also, you don’t pay a middle reliever $8M.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 23, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah well,
you don’t pay your underpermforming RF more than your All Star Catcher, but shit happens.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 23, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
KK has been strong lately he has something like a 3.50 era over his last two months he has been getting poor run support.
Heck the way all of our pitchers have been pitching they could all be in line for 20 win seasons if they just had some run support in a lot of those games they lost.
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions
I would like to See Hudson go to the pen for the rest of the season. It would give his shoulder light work for the reason of the season, and make sure that he is ready with no setbacks for next season. And I think he could be a good setup man/closer type for the rest of the season. A bit of rosterbation, but then we could move a Gonzalez for a right fielder.
As for next season, I don’t know what we do. We have 7 starters?
I dunno...
I just get a little scared of having a high-leverage bullpen guy who pitches to contact. That’s fine at the beginning of the game when you’ve got time to come back if your defense makes a mistake or one just happens to fall in, but it’s not so fine protecting a one-run lead from the seventh on.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand your point. If we have the bases loaded, we don’t want any contact. We want a strikeout. But, i think Hudson would be fine starting an inning. There are lots of guys in bullpens that come into high leverage situations and pitch to contact. I think he would be fine in the bullpen. I think he has a good mentality for it.
Another scenario that we could come across, and I think it may have been mentioned in another thread, but trading either Gonzo or Soriano for a RF. Then when Hudson comes back, we could put Hanson in the bullpen, a la David Price last year. He is the kind of guy we could bring in when the bases are loaded and we need a strikeout. I know the risks about him being young and everything, but he is very mature. I think either of these scenarios would work out, provided we have the one run lead late in a ball game.
I just don't think you take the healthy guy and move him to the pen...
Especially when Hanson’s already showing such ability to be dominant at this level. Remember, Price hadn’t done that yet.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Point taken. I just don’t think we will see, when Hudson comes back, a six man rotation. Something has got to give, right? KK to the bullpen? He’s been pitching well. Hanson is showing his stuff. Lowe and JV aren’t going anywhere. That leaves Hudson to go to the bullpen.
And I would like for us to decide, sooner rather than later, who is going to close next year, Gonzo or Soriano. We are not going to resign them both (is it even possible?), and either one with some mid-level prospect could net us a right fielder. If we trade one of them now, we would need some help in the bullpen.
well what’s nice is that we are preventing either of them from gettin any real value, by using a closer by committee. Teams want to see the big save nbr next to the name before they acquire a guy to be the closer. At the end of the season neither Soriano nor GOnzo will ahve 20 saves (which has killed almsot every fantasy team I have, but w/e).
I coule be totally off in this but I think it will make it easier to sign at least one of these guys… IMHO id like that to be Soriano
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
We should keep Soriano simply because he is more consistent and even when he doesnt have his best stuff he can locate his fastball and lock it down. Gonzo not so much.
In regards to the Rotation. it’s a tough situation to be in. You could go the route of not rushing Hudson if we arent in a play off push. even if we are they can take their time with him and shut down one of Kawakami or Hanson because of the innings they have accumulated.
I know there was some worry at the beginning of the season about KK’s durability because he was used to a six man rotation and he might not be able to go the stretch of the entire season
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sold on a trade
We are a couple games out and, believe it or not, Frenchy is starting to hit the ball well. Vazquez has been near unhittable the past few outings. I don’t think trading either makes the ball club better.
FWIW I heard a stat the other day that said Francouer his something like .400 when swinging at the first pitch. Sure, the kid is aggressive, but that doesn’t mean its a bad thing.
Again, like I said above, FYF playing better means his OPS has gone from .528 in May to .651 in June. His playing better is still playing terribly.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
But .666 in the last two weeks!
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
He’s the DEVIL!!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 23, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
An hour later...
And still no argument.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions
we all do, but some of us are more realistic than others
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 23, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
I can’t believe this point has to be made everytime we talk about our RF.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 23, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
To be fair, the majority of pro-Francoeur people aren’t regulars on the board. The Atlanta media tell them that he’s good and they believe it. They come on here and are appalled that people think otherwise. Argument ensues. Lather, rinse, repeat.
But yes, it’s really annoying. People hear what they want to hear.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 23, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
SB:
For the record, my unappreciated, much maligned and (in my view) poorly understood, but nevertheless frequently repeated, restated, amplified and expanded position remains pretty much unchanged.
People are entitled to their own analysis, thoughts and opinions, but it is absurd to proclaim annoyance that everyone does not uniformly and unconditionally agree with you personally or with the “consensus” position of the majority.
Of course, the routine ridiculing and abusing of others that is such an accepted feature of the TC culture is a separate issue.
Cheers.
David
Way to completely miss the point. Try re-reading the thread. Step down off your high horse, not everything is about you.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 23, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ve already read the thread with interest and it is certainly not about me, didn’t mean to suggest it was.
Your point seemed clear as a bell.
we all do, but some of us are more realistic than others
This is me trying to explain to yet another person that I don’t hate FYF, I simply hate his production and his unwillingness to admit his own mistakes.
I can’t believe this point has to be made everytime we talk about our RF.
This is Justin agreeing with me, and shaking his head at the fact that most people on this site automatically assume we all hate FYF with an undying passion despite what he does on and off the field.
To be fair, the majority of pro-Francoeur people aren’t regulars on the board. The Atlanta media tell them that he’s good and they believe it. They come on here and are appalled that people think otherwise. Argument ensues. Lather, rinse, repeat.
This is me trying to give some credit to the posters Justin was talking about, by explaining that alot of them come here for the first time and see views that they aren’t normally accustom to. They begin an argument, don’t like what they hear when we disagree, assume we simply hate FYF, and then never show up again. It happens alot, therefore we have to explain to dozens of people that we don’t really wish he was dead.
But yes, it’s really annoying. People hear what they want to hear.
This is me continuing my thought, stating that constantly having to reiterate our point that we don’t actually hate FYF to posters who don’t even bother to stick around long enough to understand what we’re talking about is…well…annoying.
What is wrong with any of this? Nothing. We’re not bashing FYF, we’re not demeaning other posters, we’re not claiming to be of infinite wisdom. What I think happened was that you misinterpreted the “point” that Justin was referring to. Which is why you launched into your trademark insults directed at the “regulars” of TC. You got so aroused that you had another chance to play the White Knight. Another chance to ride into a conversation that had nothing to do with you and be the voice of the little people. You’re not better than the rest of us, and your holier than thou attitude isn’t amusing. It’s pathetic. Grow up.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 23, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions
No, it's plenty annoying that people still have the same WRONG belief that Francoeur is a fundamentally sound ballplayer and one who actively contributes to the club.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Perhaps you should take that issue up with Cox, Wren and Schuerholz, who are entirely and completely responsible for him being a fixture in the starting lineup and indeed part of the Braves organization.
Being annoyed with wrong-headed, ignorant bloggers serves no particular good purpose, or does it?
I mean, it doesn't hurt me.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont deny his struggles. I talk about them and at the same time i still acknowledge his improvement and i dont feel as tho a few people on here wouldnt change their perception of him unless he is slugging like Manny Ramirez. Even then would prob find something to complain about
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I mean, that's quite the leap...
I think the vast majority would settle for league-average, which he hasn’t been for two years.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Him being a douchebag doesn't help, either.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 23, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Im leery of the Astros interest in Javy, their farm system sucks. I just cant see us getting a player nearly as good as Flowers out of them.
hindsight is 20-13 just like Ted William actual vision- ken tremendous
*gulp...
Lee?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 23, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions
That was exactly my thoughts but his contract is to massive and I just cant imagine the BRAVES seriously looking at him.
Baseball is my life
but if we shave off JV’s contract is Lee that bad… perhaps we trade FYF and JV for Lee…. jsut to make room for Lee. thats abotu 15-16 off our cap. and Lee’s contract is 18.5M until 2012… which while expensive might put us over the top in terms of contending int eh division
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
doubtful it's Lee...
but it would be NICE
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 24, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
why do we need someone young? He have a bunch of talent coming up through the organization. OF for 2010 (McClouth, Schafer, Lee) 2011 (McClouth, Schafer, Lee maybe Heyward) Same four for 2012. I don’t really see Lee blocking anyone’s development much, if at all. If anything, it would allow us to really be patient with Heyward.
I say young just so that Heyward isnt even needed till 2012.
so maybe young was the wrong word. just longer contract and cheaper
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Lee is signed through 2012.. so ur lookign for someone cheaper… but i would disagree and think we can shave the payroll enough to get Lee and be in pretty good shape
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
A lot of that pay roll would have to come from losing, Gonzo, and one of our starters. GA doesnt cost that much and i dont know anyone else on the team coming off the books. in fact we should have some people getting raises. FYF unless he is traded, KJ, Kotch, Mac etc.
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont disagree but we arent gonna resign both GOnzo and Soriano… its just not happening (IMHO)… I dont see FYF on the team (especially if we trade him for LEe as I was suggesting…Lee for JV and FYF). KJ’s raise will put him at an increase of around 750K (considering he has had two down years going into this arb hearing, down in terms of the nbrs they look at HR, RBI, RUns, Avg … or at least thats what i assume they look at)….McCann goes from 2.5 to 4.5 (i think…didnt spend the 10 seconds sry)… and Kotch will prob get a 1M raise.
So in total our payroll not withstanding adding Lee will go up in the following ways
KJ +.75M
Kotch +1M
McCann +2M
McLouth +2.5M
and Down
Hudson -1M (if we resign)
KK -1M
GA -2.5M
Gonzo -3.45M
Glavine -1M
that leaves us with 2.7M extra to spend for other increases which are all manageable.
So if we can do the Lee deal and make the salaries match this year, than we do it. And I think we can
JV is 11.5 + FYF 3.8M = 15.3
Lee is 18.5M
So we need to find 3M extra each year until 2012, which i think is an increase that is totally worth it. Especially if we can get the Astros to give us a bit of cash to pay for it. (although I dont think thats gonna happen, just wishful thinking)
In reality this is all rosterbation and since i just finsihed im gonna go get a towel and Im done with this.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
The main problem i see with Lee is if we acquire him who plays RF? GA sure couldn’t, Diaz possibly and you cant put McLouth in RF because we dont have anyone good enough to play CF between Lee and Anderson.
That in itself is another reason why i say someone younger basically meaning someone more athletic that can cover RF
I know we wont sign Soriano and Gonzo. In fact i would prefer Moylan be able to turn it around and do what he did tonight every night so he could be our SU man for Soriano. That way we can trade Gonzo either for a Bat or to re-stock our farm with some talent.
You know what would be kinda interesting. I wonder if any teams would be interested in Matt Diaz.
Right now he is just platooning but could be decent as a full time LF’er.
With the talks leaning towards us gaining a new OF’er for a couple more years and Schafer being in CF next year Diaz is still the odd man out.
by drumzalicious on Jun 24, 2009 3:53 AM EDT up reply actions
you cant put McLouth in RF because we dont have anyone good enough to play CF between Lee and Anderson
Well, put Lee in LF, McLouth in RF and Blanco in CF.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions
And we just bench GA and Diaz?
that essentially just made another hole in our lineup.
by drumzalicious on Jun 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Justin is onto somehting… and since im pretty invested in this discussion already ill keep going…
With an OF of Lee, Blanco, and McLouth… we are drastically better offensively. You are trading Blanco for FYF…both kinda suck offensively but thats not the poitn. Also, you are upgradign from GA to Lee…. this upgrade cannot be overstated. I think GA is playing pretty well lately… but at his max he is an 800 OPS guy (and I think thats asking way too much outta him, with his inability to take a walk) Lee is a garaunteed 900 OPS (give or take 10 pts).
Neither Lee or GA is a great defender (even in LF), GA is better but its not a significant dropoff. GA’s career UZR/150 is 0.3 with Lee posting a -4.8. Like I said neither is a world beater and both spent a fair amount of time in baseball before we had UZR data.
Blanco might be slightly better than McLouth in CF. Theres pretty small sample sizes for Blanco and even smaller for McLouth (as a Corner OF)… so its tough to really make this argument. Blanco has a -.8 UZR/150… and i will preface that by saying UZR seems to be wrong in this case (only 500 inings of data of Blanco in CF) as Blanco’s scouting report leads to us beleiving he is a pretty strong defender. McLouth in LF is 27 and in RF is -27… we have debated ad nauseum whether LF or RF is differnt for a OF, but thats not my task here. It doesnt make sense that he would be worse in RF than in CF… so I will claim that McLouth’s nbrs in RF are an aberration ( we only have 67 games of data … and only 24 starts) and we can probably expect at least a league avg RF (defensively).
But I think we cna safely say that the new OF is as good defensively as our previous one (with GA, McLouth, and FYF)… and its significantly better offensively.
remember Blanco isnt hitting right now at all, but thats because his BABIP is .077 (ridiculously small sample size alert).
WIth his ability to take a walk its pretty safe to expect a 330 OBP (which is drastically better than anythign FYF has provided). we could even entertain the idea of batting him 9th… so as to give McLouth a guy to drive in, on a more regular basis.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Wait
Didn’t we try to give Blanco the CF job last year? Wasn’t that a miserable fail? So, while we get rid of the hole in our lineup of FYF, we have yet another one in Blanco. That really doesn’t make a lot of sense.
I mean...
He did hit better than Francoeur.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 7:19 PM EDT up reply actions
ur not a very good reader are you?
I said Blanco and FYF are a wash… but Lee is an upgrade over GA (who is really who he would be replacing)
Lee < GA
Blanco =FYF
McLouth = McLouth
the left side of the equation is better than the right side (when the three are aggregated)…
I didnt say this is a perfect scenario (a perfect scenario would involve a new CF and a new LF (as I would move Mclouth to RF)… but thats kinda hard to come by.. so this is a relatively acceptable and beleivable fix to the OF.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Terrible idea.
KK was our best pitcher in May and has only allowed 3 runs or less in his last 9 games.
Huddy? Come on … Huddy?
IF he makes it back this year, his arm won’t be ready to man a starting spot. I agree with the posters who say that IF he comes back, he should work out of the pen. Huddy, Medlen, and Campo could allow us to send Bennett down to AAA.
Just a helpful hint: the reply button helps us know who/what you are responding to.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 23, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A couple of things… carrying three long men… is a little weird and a lil excessive. And thats what we would be doing with Huddy Medlen and Campo… However it would eb the same if we move KK to the pen and Hudson starts.
So thats not really a big deal, but it appears you arent that high on Timmy Hudson. He was our best pitcher in 2007 and he was pretty good in 2008. He struggled a bit in 06, but I will call that a bit of an aberration, considering his track record. He is the perfect starter for our makeup. He goes deep into games and is a very good pitcher. He has only posted three seasons with a FIP above 4. He has four season with a sub 3.5 FIP. He turns 34 this year, but considering he isnt a strikeout pitcher, the risk of him wearing down is less significant.
You may be implying that Hudson wont be ready by the end of the season. This may be true but there seems to be evidence to the contrary and he has already started his throwign program. Traditionally, it takes 12 months to recover from TJ surgery. 12 months will be early Aug and there is no signs of him being off schedule.
I would suggest the best plan of action is try to trade JV for something we need (per say an OF)… but I wouldn’t do the deal unless it really sounds good. And I love JV as much as the next guy… he has been absolutely great for us. But we need to cut cap some how to be able to acquire an OF bat. our three options are Lowe, KK, and JV… we can’t trade Lowe, because his contract is an albatross in the future. I don’t think we will trade KK because he is our gateway to the Japanese market and a marketing tool for the Asian market in GA (on top of beign a very good pitcher signed at, it appears, a reasonable price). JV is our most moveable piece of the three.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I agree with you. I think we should explore trading JV. Don’t get me wrong, I love what he has done for us. But, we have too many starters right now. (Lowe, JV, JJ, Hanson, Hudson, Medlen) All of them are under contract next year. None of which are dominating enough to completely shut down an offense where 1 or 2 runs will win consistently. That is the fact that needs to be stated. We are something like 4-29 when we score 3 or fewer runs. We are just the opposite scoring 3+ runs in a game. That tells me that we need to score more runs. In trading JV for C. Lee, we would get the cleanup hitter we want. Lee is 33 and under contract til 2012. As was suggested earlier, JV plus FYF for Lee + maybe a prospect.
they have no prospects and I would be pretyt stoked if they took that deal… instead of getting a prospect I would rather have them give us so cash to help pay for Lee.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I completely disagree.
I would prefer that we could trade none of our starters and just get better offense. a lot of games we have loss have come at the expense of our starters giving up 2-3 runs. thats it. if our offense could have managed at least 4 like tonight we would have won a lot more games.
its not that we need certain people replaced we just need the ones we have to play to their potential in the bottom half of the lineup.
if KJ and FYF can give us at least league average we will be fine. Kotch is an upgrade over some of his fill ins and GA is hitting the ball better.
if everyone would just do their part we would have a good team that like the 90’s didnt really have dynamite offense but if we scored 3 runs we would win the game because of our pitching. we could be like that now almost we just need consistent offensive support
by drumzalicious on Jun 23, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
We will not trade JV this season at the deadline or in the offseason, otherwise we basically gave away Tyler Flowers and B. Lililbridge for Boone Logan. Naw we would have to be blown away with an offer to trade JV to any club anytime soon.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 23, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions
if you are gonna look at it like that, we would have traded Flowers, and Lilibridge for Logan and who ever we get in return for JV.
That.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 12:37 AM EDT up reply actions
actually
its Logan + whoever we get back
Like Renteria turned into
JJ + McLouth in a way
by drumzalicious on Jun 24, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade JV
but not for Lee,who signed 18.5M/yr through 2012(BTW he has full NTC)
This
If we are benching our RF’er we need a good RF’er back and i dont think Lee can cover RF all to well
by drumzalicious on Jun 24, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, but he can produce twice the runs.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 24, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions
and give back just as many if he is in RF
by drumzalicious on Jun 24, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
he isnt that bad of a defender… as I mentioned early with a career UZR/150 at -4.8… this year he has been atrocious (-18.1 ), but he is dealing with a gimpy hamstring (which needs to be taken into consideration, but I wouldnt bet on these numbers on what u expect from a healthy Carlos Lee.
The fact is we arent talking about a Adam Dunn type defender he is adequate in his own way given the amount fo runs he generates at the plate… in addititoin to the protection he would give Chipper.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
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