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More evidence the Braves are trying to deal Jeff Francoeur

Here is a tidbit from the Miami Herald via MLBTR:

The Marlins rejected Atlanta's offer of outfielder Jeff Francoeur for Cody Ross before the Braves acquired Pittsburgh's Nate McLouth.

Here is a comparison of their stats (Ross has 14BB and 50K):


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2009 - Cody Ross 61 226 34 1 18 0 10 39 0 0 3 1 .270 .320 .482


G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB K SB CS AVG OBP SLG
2009 - Jeff Francoeur 61 232 27 58 6 2 4 29 10 34 3 1 .250 .282 .345


Gosh, I wonder why the Marlins turned that down? I think we're going to hear many more rumors of the Braves trying to get something for Jeff Francoeur, and perhaps even this trade will be revisited in some fashion. I've said it before, and I'll repeat it here, I don't think the Braves finish this season with Jeff Francoeur on the team.

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LMAO

If Wren had pulled that move off, I’d have started an petition for his induction into Cooperstown based solely on that fleecing…

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Jun 14, 2009 5:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hahaha, makes Renteria for Gorkys and JJ look bad

by Zeus12888 on Jun 14, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point Francouer is going to get nothing more than a mid level prospect and PTBNL. He has limited power, strikes out to much, doesn’t walk, and hits for a low average. His defense is average and if it wasn’t for his arm it would be below average. Somebody will want him because he’s still young and could turn things around but they are not going to overpay for him.

by jack dein on Jun 14, 2009 6:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The only way he should......

be traded is in a package deal. Maybe Frenchy, Gonzo/Soriano and Escobar for Bucholtz and Lowrie

by Jay212033 on Jun 14, 2009 6:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

So your already giving up on the season?

I do agree that if it comes to us being sellers in a month then we should attempt to add Frenchy in a package deal for a higher value.

by Charmin519 on Jun 14, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FAILCOUER IN ANY DEAL

is a DEAL killer with any tradeable parts that we might be willing to trade. Frenchy separate that the braves hope to hold out for a few middle level prospects…

by Hanson-Ace on Jun 14, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

youve gotta be kidding me.

thats a bad deal for us, even with no frenchy

by Zeus12888 on Jun 14, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sold that Bucholtz will ever be that good. His hype is playing off of one good start. He really hasn’t shown anything other than that. Lowrie is a decent player but might never be anything more than a good utility player.

by jack dein on Jun 14, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Frenchy straight up for Johnny Giavotella?

Decent 2B prospect in the Royals System. He’s having a down year in A+ ball now.

by Charmin519 on Jun 14, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

If you wanna throw the Royals into the mix for suitors..

Then why not Frenchy for Grienke straight-up? Their FO has a thing for braves/ex-braves..

.. actually..

Moore will just wait until Frenchy’s DFA’d in the next 2 months – 2 years (give or take a couple days/months/years).

by I-Miss-John-Rocker on Jun 14, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Despite having that slash between braves and ex-braves, here’s what my eye see.

Their FO has a thing for braveSEX-braves

I think I might have a problem.

by Bronn on Jun 14, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What would it take to get Jeremy Hermida?

AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.

Pitch 1: In play, out(s)

by mvhsbball on Jun 14, 2009 8:20 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

your stats...

  are wrong. you have cody ross with 0 strikeouts for the year. he actually has 51.

by ryan c on Jun 14, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

sorry...

i see the note now. my bad.

by ryan c on Jun 14, 2009 8:25 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i would trade Ross’ 16 more k’s for 6 HRs, 10 RBI, .020 average and a .039 OBP higher than FYFs alllll day, every day

AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.

Pitch 1: In play, out(s)

by mvhsbball on Jun 14, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm...

Kelly Johnson
Jeff Francoeur

for

Dan Uggla
Cody Ross

Maybe?

KJ, FYF and Uggla are all having bad seasons. Maybe a trade could get them going again (well, it could get KJ and Uggla going again. Francoeur is finished)

AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.

Pitch 1: In play, out(s)

by mvhsbball on Jun 14, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I like Johnson but I think if we had an opportunity to do that trade, that we should do it.

Take care of the little things, and the big things will take care of themselves.

by SunDolphin on Jun 14, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK...

So they already turned down Ross for Francoeur. You really think they’d consider the streaky Johnson an upgrade over an All-Star in Uggla?

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 14, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Dan Uggla and his .216 batting average.

AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.

Pitch 1: In play, out(s)

by mvhsbball on Jun 15, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And his BABIP almost 100 points below his career average?

and his WARP still in the black?

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

May work if you added KK to the trade.

I love the idea of your trade mvhsbball, I have always wanted Uggla, (and Jason Bay), however it would take more to acquire both Uggla and Ross than simply Frenchy an KJ, maybe if we put KK in the trade as well and called up any pitcher to take his spot we could make the deal happen.

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Jun 14, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Seriously?

Florida taking on KK, Frenchy, and KJ’s salary? Thats a good joke.

by bbxxj on Jun 14, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This...

is straight up fail, please stop, it’s hurting my eyes, the Marlins would never consider this, please pleases please start thinking about the other team when you make up these ridiculous trades.

by BravesRaleigh on Jun 15, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This event (FYF getting traded) cannot happen soon enough for me.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 14, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

CAn we just DFA him and be done with it? Might have to eat some salary, but at least he won’t be GIDP’ing all the time.

by tchoup on Jun 14, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would like to see that happen. As bad as he is you can bet that he will get more money next year because of arbitration. BTW can a players salary go down during arbitration, because his should.

by jack dein on Jun 14, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm…The arbitration panel picks one side’s offer or the other, with no middle ground, so I guess if a team offers less and can back it up, and the arb panel agrees, then I suppose a player’s salary could go down.

Course, I’d think it’s not likely because if a player thinks his salary might go down in arb, he’s not likely to file for it in the first place, or so I would think.

by tchoup on Jun 14, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ridiculous

Frenchy for Ross? What’s next, offering Kelly Johnson straight up for Robinson Cano?

I think you’re right, it’s unlikely that Frenchy ends 2009 with the Braves. However, my fear that if the Braves keep overvaluing him this much then this will take longer than any of us desire.

Anybody read the comments of that MLBTR entry? The author asks, “What club makes sense for Frenchy?” One of the comments (Daniel) says, “I think he would be a good fit for the Rome Braves.”

Daniel, wherever you are, I second that.

by pett-man on Jun 14, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

+1 for the Rome Braves

Or how bout the Cape cod wood bat league? Isn’t that where they send players to prove they can hit with wooden bats?

by tchoup on Jun 14, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m all for sending him down. He has the talent to be a good player, but damn, he really needs to work his way back up. Learn to take pitches and learn a new swing. F*ck, his head rolls all over the place when he swings, it’s no wonder he can even hit the ball.

by Sparhawk on Jun 15, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If he wants to stay in baseball he’ll have to. Who will keep giving him chances when he’s one of the worst RF in the game.

I’m not saying he will, but that’s what he needs to do if he wants to stick around.

by Sparhawk on Jun 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It will increase Frenchy's trade value

Well, here’s the way I see it.

No, his technique and approach won’t change. Plate discipline is taught at a young age (little league, high schoolish ages) and not in the minors. But we’d have two benefits of having Frenchy in the minors. 1 – He isn’t on the ML roster. 2 – His trade value will likely increase.

Those minor league pitchers don’t throw him junk like the major leaguers do. Frenchy will probably see more fastballs in the zone and sir-hacks-a-lot will swing at those like a fat kid hitting a candy filled pinata. Because Frenchy will see better pitches in the minor leagues, I imagine he’ll have better results. Wouldn’t you say that this is why Frenchy tore it up during his weekend minor league trip last year?

When his numbers improve, don’t call him backup like Wren did last year. Instead, trade him while his value is higher.

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You think that's some kind of great secret other GMs don't have knowledge of?

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That Francoeur could hit well in the minors?

I think he could certainly be aware of that, but it wouldn’t serve us any purpose.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Would serve us a purpose to increase his trade value?

I’d rather that be his purpose than let his purpose be making outs for the big club. Addition by subtraction, my friend.

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That was the point of my original statement.

If you, as a fan, understand that the only reason he’d hit well down there would be because it’s easier to do so due to competition faced, then I don’t think a group of 31 MLB front office staffs would suddenly start drooling because of a .300/.330/.450 line in AAA.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One of those 31 will see a line like that and think low-risk, high reward, a risk worth taking. Come on, if Andruw can find two teams that would sign him, there will be a team that would take a chance on Francoeur.

by tchoup on Jun 15, 2009 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

False

You don’t think a GM would take a chance on that? It happens all the time. GMs are always using phrases like “change of scenery” and etc. It’s kind of a funny phrase, but it’s their club, not mine.

If GMs are willing to take chances on DFAs who have never had success in the majors you’d better believe they’d take a chance on a guy putting up a decent line in the minors that has had success at the major league level before.

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

according to Buster Olney, most GMs are not impressed with FYF and don’t think he is worth taking at this point.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 15, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

THAT!

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

They might...

But those are the same guys who would take the same chance right now. A good line in the minors will do nothing for his value. Period.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"At this point"

He nailed it with that phrase. Not too many people would take a chance on a guy with an OPS of .620. Which is why a minor league stretch could do him some good. It will at least make him look a bit better. I’m not saying his value will sky rocket and we can get an all-star for him.

Guys that go .300/.330/.450 in the minors don’t stay in the minors for 15 years, I’m sorry if you don’t see it that way, but they don’t. Some teams get desperate. Some teams buy low. Some teams take chances.

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, so I want you to confirm what I think I see you saying:

“Though major league front office members and scouts have seen Francoeur to be one of the worst hitters in baseball over the past year plus, if he were to be sent down to the minors and hit well for a few weeks, they would think he was a good hitter worthy of taking a chance on in spite of the vast disparity in both performance and sample size, and their own prior evaluations.”

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would have worded mine differently.

I don’t get it, do you really think that GMs think it is impossible for players to turn it around?

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not saying FYF will turn it around. I think he’s done. But I certainly won’t tell opposing GMs that :-)

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops

My fault, fellas. I dropped the ball on this one. That was the first time I used that acronym and, while I knew it referred to Frenchy, I did not know what those letters meant. I’m stupid for using it without knowing what it stood for.

Now that I have looked it up, I wish to change that to just “Frenchy.” I try to avoid language like that.

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it makes you feel any better

FYF also means Frenchy You Freak.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 15, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I don't think that.

But I do think any given GM has their mind made up on Francoeur at this point. 6 weeks of raking for a minor-league team won’t change the way they think.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As long as Frenchy is gone...

Well, we’ve seen it change their perspective in the past. GMs (the good and bad ones) have always been willing to take a chance, especially if it’s a relatively low risk. Although, I think we can all agree that Frenchy isn’t the most ideal case-study when it comes to GMing.

Either way, it HAS to be worth a shot, I mean, it’s not like his trade value is increasing while he makes a fool of himself in the majors. Might as well try SOMETHING to get it up. Clearly we differ on if that will work or not, but we sure don’t lose anything by trying.

by pett-man on Jun 15, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Exactly

If GM’s see any potential at all, one of them will take a chance. I mean, we’re not going to trade him for Pujols or anything, but we might get a little more than the 10 bats that he’s worth now.

If a team will take a chance on Andruw, JD Drew, Dontrelle Willis, or John Smoltz at his age, someone will take a chance on Francoeur. Don’t discount the allure of the “change of scenery.”

by tchoup on Jun 15, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that wasn't an exact quote

I paraphrased and am not sure that “at this point” was actually what he said…

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 15, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I posted this in another thread

 I’ve said it before and I’m prob the only one who will think this but . .

IF we are so desperate for a bat and we have no financial means left to pursue that bat why don’t we do something unexpected that kinda makes sense.

Why don’t we trade Lowe?

Now I’m not saying this because Lowe did badly today against Baltimore. Just hear me out.

Lowe is a nice arm in any rotation. He ideally is a #2 but could be substituted as a #1. He has great control and will do well as long as he has a good defense behind him catching those ground balls.

Yes he is in his late 30’s but someone wrote an article about how because Lowe didnt become a starter till so late in his career he doesnt have as much mileage on his arm and is essentially coming into his prime as a starter.

Yes I know he is being paid more than a lot of teams would want to pay him as well.

Now what we would need is a team with a pretty good INF Defense. A team that has an OF that we could acquire that would bolster our lineup in a Big Way. And a team that desperately needs pitching.

So I present to you the Texas Rangers.

Here is a team that has a young core of pitchers coming through the gate with Kevin Millwood on his way out and no one to really head the rotation.

They have a very solid defensive infield.

And they have a Bat we could use.

Why dont we trade:

Derek Lowe
Francoeur
Cash (Say 4 Mil a year on Lowe’s Contract)

For
Nelson Cruz

The Rangers get a Pitcher to slot either behind or infront of Millwood. Lowe also most likely wouldnt see a drastic increase in his ERA since he is a GB pitcher (Although I’m not 100% on this). They also get him for 3 1/2 Years.

Yes they lose Cruz in RF. BUT they gain Frenchy. With the way their hitting coach has turned around Andruw Jones and how Frenchy started the season so much better after being under him not to mention the ballpark his numbers will get better for that team and he will be at least league average.

Then they get Hamilton back in July.

Braves will of course lose their "Staff Ace" but we still have a solid 1/2 behind JJ and Vazquez. Kawakami is pitching like a #3 starter with league average ERA and has shown signs of improvement. From there they can slot Medlen in the #5 hole.

If you want to take it further they could then possibly do a trade for a decent starter to hold them over till Hudson gets back since they will have cleared most of Lowes salary.

Now if you really want to stretch it you could delve into the whole issue that appears to be happening with Escobar where we might see him get traded Escobar and or Kelly Johnson would certainly be enough to net us a pitcher and im talking BETTER than Brad Penny

by drumzalicious on Jun 15, 2009 12:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You make a lot more sense than...

the Kelly Johnson for Dan Uggla guy but I just don’t see the Braves doing this. They know the pitching is the only thing keeping us even with a heart beat, so I don’t see them trading a key element in our strength for Cruz. Also, you go off later to say trade Escobar and/or Kelly for Penny? This makes no sense to do after the Cruz trade. Trading for Cruz would mean we’re going for the playoffs this year, but then trading away 1 of or both of our middle infield is like throwing it away, and getting Penny would further that because he’s not a long-term solution. You’re essentially trading Lowe, Escobar, and Kelly for Penny and Cruz, that definitely makes us worse. Escobar is our 3rd best offensive player probably, maybe 4th if you want to throw McLouth into the mix, and Lowe is clearly a reason we’re still slightly in the race. After those trades, we’re definitely worse, pitching staff gets worse, offense stays about the same with our defense clearly taking a hit. Not a good solution for this year or the future.

by BravesRaleigh on Jun 15, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh sorry...

read the end kind of quickly, you want somebody better than penny. Well still, Lowe is better than Penny and I don’t see two middle infielders getting someone better than Lowe would be, especially since we know what happens when you don’t have a durable pitching rotation.

by BravesRaleigh on Jun 15, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gah one more thing

Especially since most teams out there need starting pitching, and not many teams outside of us and the Sox have a surplus.

by BravesRaleigh on Jun 15, 2009 1:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at it this way, we essentially have 3 #2 starters with Lowe just being the best one.

Trade Lowe we still have Vazquez and JJ.

If we trade Escobar/Kelly we could net ourselves a solid #3/4 essentially a guy that will give up 3-4 runs a game and have occasional brilliance

There are a couple of teams that could fit that bill.

San Diego
Minnesota
Cincinnati (although doubtful)
Toronto (Would love one of their young’ns)
Arizona
Oakland

etc. there are teams out there who would love a player of Escobar’s caliber

I personally believe that we will still have a VERY strong and contention worthy rotation especially with the addition of Hudson at the end of the season. You can then put Kawakami in the bullpen for a play off push since he will most likely be a bit tired by then.

In summary you are giving up a guy that will give up 1-2 runs a game for someone that will give up 3-4 but i believe that bat of Cruz’s will make up the difference because the offense would be very capable of scoring 5-6 runs a game.

And in all honesty with Kotchman returning i think it would be even better. just think

McLouth CF
Kotchman 1B
Chipper 3B
Cruz RF
McCann C
Anderson/Diaz LF
KJ 2B
Diory SS.

When Kelly gets out of this slump that is a lineup with only one auto out in Diory.

by drumzalicious on Jun 15, 2009 1:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There is absolutely no chance any of those deals get done (the ones regarding Lowe, Esco, Cruz, etc)

1. Only the Braves and Mets put in a bid for DLowe. Some teams thought the Mets offer of 3/36 million was stretching it. And the Braves responded by giving a 4year /60 million dollar contract. If the Rangers wanted Derek Lowe, or any other expensive pitcher, they would’ve at least put in a bid. Did they? Nope. All they did was throw a bone to Ben Sheets, who needed major elbow surgery. So why would they wanna commit $60 million the next 4 years to a guy they didnt even think about last offseason?

2. Nelson Cruz is a good hitter and all, but he’s playing his first full season at age 29. Not to mention he’s hitting in Texas where the ball rockets off bats. The Ballpark in Arlington is the Texas equivalent of Coors field. You wanna trade our staff “ace”, along with FYF and some $$$ for a 29 year old with 39 career homers? I know i dont.

3. Why the fuck would we trade Yunel Escobar? I know Grandpa is mad at him for some bonehead mistakes, but Esco is our 3rd best hitter behind Chipper and Mac. And you wanna trade him for a pitcher? I thought we were trying to improve our offense…

P.S. Im not so sure Kelly is ever going to break out of his slump. He supposedly “got hot” 2 weeks ago, but his average and power numbers are still horrible.

4. Outside of today’s and the start a few weeks ago against the DBacks, when hasn’t DLowe been good? I know he sucked today and all, but shit, everyone has an off day every once in a while (see Johan Santana’s start today against the Yankees).

Maybe im missing something, but i REALLY dont see how trading Derek Lowe, Esco, Frenchy and some money for Nelson Cruz and a pitcher “better than Brad Penny” is going to help us.

AB: Jeff Francoeur
Pitching: Any pitcher in MLB
Runners: Escobar at 3rd, Chipper at 2nd, McCann at 1st.

Pitch 1: In play, out(s)

by mvhsbball on Jun 15, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

One point...

They didn’t know about Sheets needed more surgery when they were making their offer to him.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. Only the Braves and Mets put in a bid for DLowe. Some teams thought the Mets offer of 3/36 million was stretching it. And the Braves responded by giving a 4year /60 million dollar contract. If the Rangers wanted Derek Lowe, or any other expensive pitcher, they would’ve at least put in a bid. Did they? Nope. All they did was throw a bone to Ben Sheets, who needed major elbow surgery. So why would they wanna commit $60 million the next 4 years to a guy they didnt even think about last offseason?

From what i recall the only reason was because they knew he would go at a contract higher than what they wanted to offer since the bigger named teams were going after him. Hence the reason we include cash in the deal.

2. Nelson Cruz is a good hitter and all, but he’s playing his first full season at age 29. Not to mention he’s hitting in Texas where the ball rockets off bats. The Ballpark in Arlington is the Texas equivalent of Coors field. You wanna trade our staff "ace", along with FYF and some $$$ for a 29 year old with 39 career homers? I know i dont.

The dude has a .279/.316/.613 away from Arlington along with 10 of his 17 Home Runs. In actuality his home slugging percentage (.527) is almost 100 points lower than his road numbers.

3. Why the fuck would we trade Yunel Escobar? I know Grandpa is mad at him for some bonehead mistakes, but Esco is our 3rd best hitter behind Chipper and Mac. And you wanna trade him for a pitcher? I thought we were trying to improve our offense…

You obviously didnt read the whole thing other wise you would have seen that Escobar is getting traded AFTER we acquire Cruz which brings us a bat of greater value. Yes we have a hole still but our top half of the line up is deeper and more extended. Plus Kotchman returning will add a batter more equipped to handle the #2 spot.

4. Outside of today’s and the start a few weeks ago against the DBacks, when hasn’t DLowe been good? I know he sucked today and all, but shit, everyone has an off day every once in a while (see Johan Santana’s start today against the Yankees).

Once again you didnt read what i said. I already mentioned that i wasnt making this post out of frustration because of today’s game. I said it because it makes some sense.

If we go from having 3 #2 Pitchers a #3/4 and a rookie as our rotation to

2#2 pitchers, 2 #3/4 pitchers and a rookie we still own a rotation better than most especially in our division. Then at the end of the year taking out KK and putting him in the pen for the postseason in favor of Huddy will give us back a staff ace with a newer arm than Lowe’s and younger and essentially the same pitcher.

We then dont have to worry about next years rotation and we save around 10 mil. Which will be good to have if we want to fix our team that will be needing bullpen help because the roster will be set everywhere but the bullpen.

We need that 10 mil to retain Soriano and Gonzo. I would just make Soriano the closer over Gonzo.

by drumzalicious on Jun 15, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with this but I doubt it would be Lowe we trade more like JV. But we need to trade 1 of the 2 because Hudson is the man and we cant afford.
Hudson
Lowe
KK
JV
Thats almost 45 million invested in pitching when you got Hanson and Medlen who will cost less then a Million combined. Rangers have our old farm and I would love to rape them like they raped us.

"Baseball Before Hoes"

by That a boy on Jun 15, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would really prefer to deal Lowe. Hudson is coming back with a new arm and is essentially the same pitcher as lowe with a little more Ks

by drumzalicious on Jun 15, 2009 1:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JV is too much of a godsend to trade out. I want him around for a while.

by Gage23 on Jun 15, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, Ross is fuckin good

He’s the only one that can go 1 for 226 and keep his AVG at .270 with 18 2Bs. We should totally trade for him.

SubParr

by nick9314 on Jun 15, 2009 12:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

I noticed that too

by BravesRaleigh on Jun 15, 2009 12:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

FYF for Andruw

Sorry just dreaming a very bad dream. At this point I just wish Wren would do something! Are we a contender or a pretender? With the Yankees and Boston series (where we will probably get to be on network TV so I can watch it here on AFN) wouldn’t be nice if we could say we traded Frenchy (+? +?) for an RBI machine pwr pat and maybe an AA or A prospect? I would feel so “giddy” kind of how I felt when we go McGriff. I am rooting for Wren to pull off some of his predisessor’s majic….I feel the wheels a turnin….an besides I am now staying out here in the middle east longer so that can only mean that we will be playing way into the post season (I believe I am owed some chilli!)

by bravestatoo on Jun 15, 2009 7:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hate typos

Time to by a new computer…the Dust out here is starting to make my keys stick…I know wah wah wah!

by bravestatoo on Jun 15, 2009 7:08 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

new rumor posted on ajc...

i dont know if it has any validity, but we are apparently in talks with colorado about hawpe. in the rumor, it was stated we offered rohrbrough, parr, and francoeur for hawpe. it just doesnt sound right.

my take on the next few weeks: vazquez and soriano should both be shopped if we fall out of contention. with hudson’s option obviously being picked up, the pitching surplus will be ever present. i dont like losing soriano, but he’s going to be a hot commodity next year, and will likely get closer money, which the braves cannot afford.

by ryan c on Jun 15, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also said there was a minor league SS involved.

If we go into sell mode we should go all out:

Vazquez
Lowe
Kawakami
Soriano
Gonzo
Bobby

lol just messing around

by drumzalicious on Jun 15, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The SS is from which end?

Daniel Mayora is a guy who could be an option in their system. Don’t know how highly they regard him, but he’s shown decent power for an MI and is currently sporting a .307/.369/.396 line at 23 for AA Tulsa. Never been much of a good base-stealer or very patient, though.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmm...

seems like the same guy to me, only with even LESS plate discipline and two years behind in development.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no way we can take on his money. But trading basically CR for 2.5 yrs of Hawpe is ok by me. He is a lefty as well and with JS returning we’d have an all LH OF. Plus he was the worst RF in baseball last year,.

by graf on Jun 15, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but....but, but...

we don’t have any more minor league talent to trade…it is a known fact, right?

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 16, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Buster Olney

Had this to say about FYF today…

Clay (Charlotte)
Buster, please, give me some hope for the Braves…anything?

Buster Olney
Clay: They are a weird team right now, a hard team to figure. Their starting pitching is arguably the best in the division, and yet… they’re just so ragged. Clearly, they need another frontline hitter, but in talking with rival executives, they’re not sure how the Braves could get that done unless they were willing to talk about one of their untouchable prospects, like Jason Heyward (and the Braves would never deal him). You keep waiting for the light to go on for Jeff Francoeur, but his problems have continued long enough now that Atlanta obviously has its doubts about whether he’ll be a productive player. The Miami Herald reported over the weekend that Francoeur was offered, straight up, for Cody Ross, and in talking with a couple of GMs this morning, they said they would have turned down the Braves’ offer quickly, based on what they’ve seen out of Francoeur this year.

and then this…

Tanner Athens,TN [via mobile]
Do you see the braves trading away jeff francoeur for a power hitting corner outfielder say a jermaine dye or matt holliday to improve the offense?

Buster Olney
Tanner: I think there’s almost no chance they can get anything of real value for Francoeur right now, based on what rival execs and scouts are saying. They believe he’s one of the worst everyday outfielders in the NL right now, and he’s moving up the arbitration ladder, so he doesn’t have a lot of trade value.

It looks pretty grim for the Golden Boy. I also read an article (see, Andy Braves Fan, I do read articles) on the AJC that said he isn’t fazed by the trade talk…but, I guess I shouldn’t expect him to be. Everyone knows that being traded isn’t important – if it were, they would put it on the scoreboard.

"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT

by justincredubil02 on Jun 15, 2009 1:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

God, I hope he isn't fazed by that sort of thing...

Look at how he’s doing with his infinite well of confidence.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 15, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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