So, who now?
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jun 10, 2009 6:52 AM EDT
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Obviously the front office thinks that Minor is the LHP that will pair with Hanson and JJ and Medlen in the future I thought that would be Rohrbough, but he's struggled), but I am disappointed we didn't go for the BPA.
I think it's time to draft some position players int he next few rounds: some that have the ability to be everyday players with upside within 3-5 years.
Some ideas
Max Stassi, c, Yuba City (Calif.) HS was not drafted and will, most likely, be there when we pick in the 4th. Kid's got some serious potential and is a position of need for us.
Jeff Malm, 1b, Bishop Gorman HS, Las Vegas can SMASH the ball. However, he seems destined to be a 1B and Freeman is a very good one.
Angelo Songco, of, Loyola Marymount; someone said he can hit. ALOT.
Brian Goodwin, of, Rocky Mount (N.C.), I've seen this kid and he's silly athletic. However, I doubt we could sign him away from UNC.
Jacob Stewart, of, Rocky Moutain HS, Fort Collins, Colo. (supposedly a great athlete with improving bat).
Ryan Jackson, ss, Miami (middle Infielder).
Austin Maddox, c, Eagle’s View Academy, Jacksonville (I have no idea)
Luke Bailey, c, Troup HS, LaGrange, Ga. (???)
So, I was wondering: Who do you guys think we should draft?
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MI/3B is obviously what this team needs to stock up on in the system in order to get atleast one that could be ready in 3-4 yrs. Catchers be a lower priority but if ROY can find a gem I have no problems in getting one but the glaring need will be MI prospects with the hope that one could be a chipper replacement.
by Hanson-Ace on Jun 10, 2009 7:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You forgot about
Dwyer from Clemson and Dyson from SoCar. They might be tough to sign but since we didn’t get an expensive 1st rounder maybe we could afford one of them. Yes, they are both pitchers but I think they are better than the players you mentoined above with the exception of Stassi.
by BlueVol03 on Jun 10, 2009 8:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ryan Jackson would be a nice pick if he makes sense at the time. His defense is top notch and it seems like he’ll be a decent hitter as a pro. If he’s a 4th or 5th rounder, he’d probably be a good pick.
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by cbwilk on Jun 10, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. One of the major draft inefficiencies is college juniors who played well for two seasons and struggled their third. We know Jackson is going to stick at shortstop, so it’s only a question of the bat.
Look for us to pop a few JUCO guys like always.
by 17843 on Jun 10, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
MI
I think that they will go middle infeild next. The first few rounds are for the best available players, which this year were pitchers. I think that in you will see escobar slide over to third when chipper is done. I’m not saying he can’t play short his whole career, but I think if he were to move to third, he could bulk up a little bit, and be a power bat in the lineup. He may not be as good as a hitter as Afrod, but he does have that same build. If they could draft a solid SS, and a SPEEDY outfielder would be nice. After watching the last few games, I would love to see a furcal, peirre type player hitting infront of McLouth.
by wcubmac on Jun 10, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Escobar will be like 30 when Chipper is done; where is this power going to come from? He’s never hit 10 in a year; I just don’t see him bulking up and hitting for power.
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by cbwilk on Jun 10, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he could hit 20 in his peak.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love how people just assume players can become power hitters.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 10, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Juan Pierre ever develops power, then he’ll be one of the best players in baseball!
by VictorW on Jun 10, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When is the last time Juan Pierre hit a 452 foot home run. Escobar has the power, it is there. And his tops may only be 10 in one season, but he has only played one full season, nice agruement. I’d put money on it saying that he will have at least one 30 HR season, if not more, if he can stay healthy. Ill be suprised if he doesn’t hit 20 this year if he stays in the 2 whole.
by wcubmac on Jun 10, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You realize that he has minor league at bats too, right? He never displayed HR power down there, he’s not displaying much HR power in the majors. To expect him to have multiple 30+ HR seasons is naive. Would I love it? Of course. But it probably ain’t gonna happen.
You can’t just bulk up and hit bombs. FYF is a much worse hitter than Yunel, but look what happened when he tried to do it. It was an unmitigated disaster.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 10, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career GB% of 56.4
This year, if he keeps it up, will be his lowest at 52.5. Doesn’t matter how strong you are, if more than half of the balls you hit are on the ground, you’re not going to be a home run hitter.
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by buzzdeadwax on Jun 10, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYF hasn’t changed, the pitches he see’s has. If you think putting on a few pounds made him a bad hitter your crazy. The league just knows how to pitch him. Escobar hits the ball the other way, hits a lot of line drives, like you said, is a much better hitter. Lets say he starts lifting the ball. That gb% yall are nutting all over drops to 35%. If he is hitting the ball in the air, you are telling me he won’t hit more home runs. Will he not do like a lot of players do and develop after his rookie year.
by wcubmac on Jun 10, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think anyone was having an orgasm over Yunel's GB%
Quite the opposite. I just said that he’s a GB hitter. If he were hitting a lot of line drives or fly balls, you can certainly predict that he’ll hit more home runs with some added muscle, but you can’t say that he’ll get stronger and “start lifting the ball” or reduce his GB% by 1/3. That’s something that will come with a change of swing and/or approach. Just my .02…
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Jun 10, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Im not saying that he has to get stronger this offseason and become their power hitter next year. Its not something that changes overnight. I think he could hit 25 to 30 if he went up ther hacking like a lumberajack like FYF right now. Like you said, it would take a change in approach. He shows he is a good opposite field hitter, which is what it takes to hit for a good average. He has hit 1 or 2 this year and last. Stick him in the 3,4,5 whole within the next 4 years, i believe he can be a 30 HR guy. He many never be more than a Renteria type hitter, but just size and batspeed makes me think he can do much more
by wcubmac on Jun 10, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re missing my point…FYF was brought up strictly as an example that simply adding muscle doesn’t make you a power hitter. Same thing applies to Escobar. And please point out a player who had their GB% drop over 15% in a year or two.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 11, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“…GB% drop over 15% in a year or two several years.”
Just saw your post above. Question still stands.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 11, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
maybe he’ll bulk up and start getting ground rule doubles from the infield
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by Bravely going forward on Jun 10, 2009 8:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A player with his build wouldn't...
in his early 20s in the minors.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not necessarily true, and even if it was he wasn’t showing hardly any power in the minors.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 11, 2009 10:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't be showing lots of homer power...
was what I was referring to.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 11, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough…I meant power in general, but I phrased it poorly.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 11, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How much money are we putting on this? Cause I’d be willing to bet that he never has a 30 homer season.
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by cbwilk on Jun 11, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yunel does have 30 homers. In his career. Which includes his time in the minors. 2104 plate appearances.
by bigjoe on Jun 11, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’ll notice I never heard back about the money…
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by cbwilk on Jun 11, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HRs
Maybe your missing my point, in the span of a career is not a year or two. Ive seen in at the college level, and the professional level. There just because he didn’t hit 30 in his first full season doesn’t mean he can’t. Look at guys like David Ortiz, Gary Sheffield, Larry Walker, even someone like Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa, Rafeal Palmero.
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think I’m missing your point at all. You think Escobar could have a 30 homer season, and I don’t. You say you’d put money on it, I’m just curious to know how much.
Escobar is 26. When Sosa was 26, he had a 36 homer season and had a 33 homer season at 24. When Sheffield was 26, he only hit 18 homers, but he had a 33 homer season as a 23 year old, and hit 27 in only 87 games as a 25 year old. When Bonds was 26, he only hit 25, but he had hit 33 the year before, and hit 34 as a 27 year old.
When David Ortiz was 26, he only had a 20 homer season, but he did hit 30 in AA when he was 23. At 26, Larry Walker had never had a 30 homer season, and wouldn’t until he moved to Colorado at 28, but he had seasons of 23 and 22. Rafael Palmeiro didn’t have a 30 homer season until he was 28, but he did have 26 as a 26 year old.
So Sosa, Sheffield and Bonds aren’t even comparable to Escobar, and Ortiz, Walker, and Palmeiro had much better power histories. I’ll admit, I was wrong, Escobar did have double digit homers last year, but to expect a guy who’s only got 20 homers in 279 games and 1035 at bats in the major leagues to all of the sudden develop 30 homer a season power just doesn’t seem like a good plan. I’d like to see somebody with that profile who actually did it.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Jun 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're rooting for Yunie to find a good roid hookup?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 12, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but apparently getting stronger had nothing to do with hitting home runs
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point people are trying to make is that Yunel never really showed HR power in the minors, and thus far he hasn’t shown it in the majors. Can he eventually get there? Maybe, but it’s not worth betting on until he starts showing some consistent power…a few 18-24 HR seasons would help.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s it? After all he said, you come back with Brady Anderson? Unbelievable…
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I had time to sit here and look up everyones stats I would
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rich Aurillia, Morgan Ensburg to a point
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Caminitti showed 30 HR power in the minors, had some solid HR season in the show before he hit 30, and was obviously on steroids.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bichette was displaying power all throughout the minors, and played in Coors field.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sandburg had like 5 seasons of moderate power before he hit 30
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alou had like 5 seasons of moderate power before he hit 30. Plus he pissed on his hands, that probably helped.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Boone showed serious power in AAA, and probably used roids in the majors.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martinez showed serious power in AAA, and is a much better hitter than Yunel.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aurillia had one fluke season with 30 bombs.
Ensburg displayed 30 HR power in the minors.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So by serious power, are we talking 20-30 home runs, or what, cause im looking
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
edgar martinez, 6 years in the minors 45 home runs? I would keep looking if that is the serious power its not worth my time
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most people understand that players in the minors who hit alot of doubles project to hit more HRs at the big league level…so strictly looking at his HR numbers isn’t helpful. Add to the fact that you’re looking at several shortened seasons over his minor league career.
Edgar’s three years in AAA he had a SLG of .473, .517, .522 respectively. Small sample sizes in some of those seasons, and his high BA helped prop those up a little…but they are still much higher than anything Yunel posted at that level.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2000 at AA Ensburg had 28 HR in 137 games/592 PAs. In 2001 at AAA Ensburg had 23 HR in 87 games/368PAs. Had he played a full season I think it’s safe to say he would have had more than 30 HRs in each those season…possibly 40+ in 2001. He also had a career .472 SLG in the minors.
Make sense?
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So this is what you meant by busy day.
by bigjoe on Jun 12, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Crede
Jimmy Rollins
Mike Lowell
Raul Ibanez (who yall said sucked compaired to Burrell when they signed him)
Barry Larkin
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey guy…stop it. After everything I nicely tried to explain to you above, you come back with another list and the first guy, Crede, not only had 4 seasons in the minors where he hit over 16 HRs (one of which where he hit 24 HRs in only 396 AB)…but then followed it up in the majors with a season where he hit 12 HRs in only 209 PAs, and then 3 straight seasons of 19+ HRs before hitting 30. You obviously don’t understand what I’m saying, so just stop. Please.
And if all you got from the Ibanez/Burrell comparison where that he “sucked compaired to Burrell when they signed him”…well…you’ve got a very selective memory.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 5:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand what you are saying, I really do. All I am saying is that you can’t look at the first few years of someones career and just write them off as a singles hitter. Escobar is a big strong short stop, one of the biggest in the leauge. He has probably his some of the longest home runs for the Braves over the last couple of seasons. He hasn’t hit a bunch of them, but that doesn’t mean he can’t. Being stuck leadoff and in the 2 whole has really slowed down his power. You were the one that said Brady Anderson, thats it. I would have never posted another person if that hadn’t been said. And the Pat Burrell thing, I did go back and read it, I know what it says, and how many people trashed what I said, for my opinion.
by wcubmac on Jun 12, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
About 95% of the people you brought up either showed HR potential in the minors, or had 3-5 seasons of 15-25 HRs before they really busted out. Escobar never really showed the potential in the minors (not counting rookie ball), and obviously doesn’t have the career length to show any form of power progression. We should probably wait a few more years before we start fantasizing about him being a true middle of the order hitter. Also, him hitting leadoff or 2nd in the order has nothing to do with him not being able to work on his power…plenty of other players are capable of both.
And again…if anyone said that Ibanez simply sucks when compared to Burrell, then you shouldn’t value their opinion anyways. Most of us on here thought it was a bad signing for various other reasons (age, contract length, salary). If some random person disagreed with some comment you made that’s one thing, but don’t throw blanket statements around when I know for a fact there was some very good analysis of the signing by alot of people on here. And can you at least wait until the year is over before you start patting yourself on the back? I mean, hell, Burrell has been injured for the majority of the season…it’s not hard to outproduce that.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 12, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Dwyer but he is probably gonna go back to school. Miami usually produces good players and we could use some MI depth so Jackson sounds good.
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jun 10, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Might I recommend...
Local hero and Pujols among men…the one, the only…Austin Wood?
169 pitches be damned!
by jc25 on Jun 10, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mychal Jones with the 4th round pick…
Anyone know anything about him?
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jun 10, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
http://www.pgcrosschecker.com/Articles/DisplayArticle.aspx?article=800
Shortstop with a questionable bat, 22, good defense and 60-65 speed.
by 17843 on Jun 10, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The braves seem to be taking more college players this year than they have in recent years.
by Heyward is the next crime dog on Jun 10, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
5th – David Berryhill (RHP)
- Small college reliever
6th – Ryan Woolley (RHP)
- Another college pitcher. Played at the Cape last summer and used to pitch for Georgia. Didn’t pitch this year for good reason.
7th – Robert Hefflinger (OF)
- Big JUCO kid. Also pitched.
8th – Kyle Rose (OF)
- JUCO outfielder.
by 17843 on Jun 10, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
MLB.com videos
Jones…he looks REAL skinny, particularly since he’s pretty old (22)
BA had him rated #143
Also: “The buzz on Mycal Jones is real and there are enough teams who like him to take an early stab in the first three rounds. My guess is that they put him at shortstop in the beginning and try to raise him as a leadoff hitter.”
http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=4818411
Woolley: “Woolley was tremendous out of the bullpen as a freshman, posting a 3.14 ERA in 19 appearances.”
Hefflinger was rated by some as a late round pick out of HS (#891 overall)
Rose was a 49th-rounder out of HS.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like that Hefflinger pick… Huge Righty bat with the athleticism to pitch and good power.
Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur
A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.
by timmy3 on Jun 10, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
To me
This has been a horrible draft! Minor looks like Chuck James to me and the picks so far seem to be more minor league roster fillers. With a Top 10 pick you just have to come away with a guy with higher potential than Minor! I know many of you are going to say let him pitch first but his career 3.53 ERA is definitely not impressive. I’m not a fan of this pick or this draft so far.
by Jay212033 on Jun 10, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Chuck James was a good pitcher until he got hurt.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the league caught on......
to his two pitches!
by Jay212033 on Jun 10, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big fan of the Northcraft pick. Projectable righty. Sign him!
I agree though; major disappointment with most of these picks. Especially when you look at the draft Oakland is having. We can’t be in worse financial shape than Oakland, and yet they’re picking on talent.
by 17843 on Jun 10, 2009 2:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jordan Kreke
Holy Crap Batman!!!
I have done my research on my family name (Kreke) and there are only about 30 of us in the US. So when Jordan Kreke’s name popped up there I was pretty shocked.
I have no idea who he is or how good of a player he is but I am hoping he makes it to the bigs so he can put the Krekes on the map.
FYI it is pronounced ‘Kr-eigh-key’
by bbxxj on Jun 10, 2009 2:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not really, its more like the ‘ei’ from eight with a Kr in front of it and a kee behind it. But Kray-kee is pretty close.
by bbxxj on Jun 10, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a senior third baseman from a northern college, so…
by 17843 on Jun 10, 2009 2:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All Krekes have good arms. My dad was a good pitcher on the track to pitch for Brown before he got sent to Vietnam for two years. I also was a good pitcher before I blew out my knee playing football… So anyways he should have a good arm to first.
by bbxxj on Jun 10, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
" moral of the Story
The Braves have figured out that on draft day get enough arms then trade them for what you need to compete…they are trying to use the “Fish” plan…so far it has “netted” them two rings in the last 20 years….we have our 1 and a bunch of division flags….Yes they have a fire sale after they make it I wonder if we won’t do the same sometimes or will we just keep drafting pitchers in the early rounds and position player in the later rounds?
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