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Atlanta Braves Minor League Recap: 6/09

I just want to sound off on the draft real quick. I really wanted White or Green at 7 (I knew we wouldn't get Matzek so no point in putting false hopes there) but I am a little disappointed that we spent our highest draft pick in nearly 20 years on a signability guy. I trust the front office and I know attendance is down right now, but we all know minor doesn't have the upside of the next 10 guys behind him.

Columbus 6, Gwinnett 5 - 11 Innings

  • B. Canizares 2-4 RBI, BB
  • B. Jones 2-4 BB, K
  • J. Reyes 0.0IP 1H 1R 0BB 0K

JoJo Reyes left this game after one batter in what appears to be a reaggrivation of his right hamstring. I guess we won't be seeing him back in Atlanta for a while. I don't know that he will be back even when he gets healthy. Barbaro keeps hitting the ball with a .385 AVG in his last 10 games and a .945 OPS on the season. What should we do with him?

Mississippi 2, Mobile 1

  • T. Jones 1-3 BB, K, SB(11)
  • E. Osuna 7IP 4H 1R 4BB 2K

Another really nice start for Edgar Osuna for Mississippi. He has only given up 5 hits in his 14 innings of work there. He has allowed 6 BB so far though that is probably a bit of an aberation as he doesn't normally walk a ton of guys. For those that don't know Osuna is the typical crafty lefty with a fastball that doesn't normally sniff at 90 MPH but he has a nice curve and a sexy changeup and excellent command of all three pitches. He may not make the Show as a starter, but don't be surprised to see him in Atlanta in the next couple of years.

Kinston 3, Myrtle Beach 2

  • F. Freeman 2-5 2B, K
  • M. Fisher 2-4 HR(1), 2 RBI, BB, 2K, CS(3)
  • J. Thompson 6.2IP 5H 2R 2BB 1K

Cody Johnson walked 2 more times and but also struck out twice. He actually has more walks than strike outs this month though. His power is a little off though only slugging .300 so far. Freddie Freeman is quietly putting together a solid season in Myrtle Beach this year. He hasn't homered since April but he got on base at a .440 clip last month and has kept his strike outs under control and is hitting over .360 RISP. If he can get Heyward back in the lineup protecting him maybe he will get some pitches to drive out of the park.

Rome 4, Savannah 3

  • G. Rodriguez 1-3 HR(10), BB, K
  • B. Schlehuber 3-4 2 2B
  • C. Culver 2-4 2B, RBI
  • C. Kimbrel 1.1IP 1H 0R 1BB 2K

Craig Kimbrel now has a 30/4 K/BB in 15 innings in Rome. Read that again just to make sure you got it all. I think it is time for him to go back to the Beach. He doesn't really have anything else to prove here. Don't look now but Braeden Schlehuber might be starting to bust out a little. In 9 games so far this month he has posted a .986 OPS. His season stats still don't look great on the whole, but he has really turned it on in the past couple of weeks. This Rome team has received some serious offense out of its catcher position so far this year with Jesus Sucre hitting .324 so far and Schlehuber starting to mash.

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I just can't get that excited about Cody Johnson

Because I just can’t see him being anything more than a Jack Cust with less walks in the big leagues. I’ll cross my fingers and hope I’m wrong, but the guy is just not going to survive at higher levels if his approach doesn’t do a complete 180.

by was385 on Jun 10, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Cust

is a d@mn fine hitter. Cust’s problem, which CJ doesn’t have, is that he is an absolute butcher in the field. Seriously and truly awful in ways that defy description and measurement. And that’s at 1B. Imagining Cust in the OF makes the baby Jesus weep.

CJ, on the other hand, seems able to stick in the OF. His bat doesn’t look to be as valuable as Cust’s but with some semblance of an adequate glove, he could be just as valuable an overall MLB player. Now, finding somewhere for him on the ATL roster is another story, entirely.

by Yakker on Jun 10, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually surprised how strong and accurate Cody’s arm was. It’s not amazing, but it’s very solid, especially for LF.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Jun 10, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not a big fan of those guys

I feel like they get severely overrated by sabermetric guys and Cust without the crazy amount of walks would just be bench power. Also, I’m not completely sure, but I remember reading a couple places that Johnson is pretty bad defensively. I may be wrong on that though.

by was385 on Jun 10, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

He’s someone we’ll probably have to wait an extra year or two on if he makes it, but it’ll be worth the wait. I still think he’s a longshot, but there’s still plenty to be optimistic about with him, and you gotta take baby steps.

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Jun 10, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm definitely hoping I'm wrong

but the amount of strikeouts against low minors competition is just awe-inspiring

by was385 on Jun 10, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ryan Howard

Late to the party (MLB)
Lots of HR
Lots of strikeouts
terrible on defense (just now starting to get better)

Not saying CJ = Howard, just giving a for instance here

by fphjr01 on Jun 10, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

see, here's my problem with CJ

and I see your point, but guys like Howard who are known for striking out a ton in the majors (but still being very productive major leaguers), didn’t strike out as much in the minors nearly as much as Johnson. Howard struck out 31.5% for his minor league career and 33% so far in the majors, Johnson has struck out 36.7% for his minor league career and this year is at almost 40%. Again, I really hope he’s one of the few guys who can overcome those kind of strikeout problems and adjust to become a good major leaguer, I’m just not holding my breath.

by was385 on Jun 10, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Draft

I know its early—but its hard to conclude that at best the draft has been a missed opportunity. Picking Minor was bad enough (he is supplemental round material) but Hale over some of the postion players selected later in the round is hard to justify….

by Stephen in the UAE on Jun 10, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Its not that bad.

Minor is underestimated I guess. Roy Clark isn’t just some big retard who goes around drafting random names he hears on the internet. Thats what people on TC would do.

by esadb on Jun 10, 2009 3:17 AM EDT reply actions  

I’ll tell you what we do with Barbaro, we cut Norton who sucks this year and bring him up. You Barbaro haters say that his defense is HORRIBLE and I dont disagree. BUUUUT how many times has Norton ACTUALLY played the field this year. Twice maybe? He played first last night cause everyone is hurt. Just a thought since Barbaro keeeeps hitting all the time. :-)

by Dlass008 on Jun 10, 2009 6:44 AM EDT reply actions  

It's the PH thing...

They’ve seen him (Norton) be successful in that role for years, and they’re not willing to write him off because fo a bad few (underutilized) months.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Until Infante comes back, the Braves aren’t going to get rid of a versatile player like Norton in exchange for a player who can’t adequately play any position. Norton hasn’t had all that many at bats anyway.

They should just try to trade Barbaro to some AL team as part of a package for an outfielder. He has DH written all over him.

by redwards95 on Jun 10, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe I am a blind follower, but when you have the top pitching and hitting prospect in the game and the fourth best farm even after trading away half your best prospects to get Texieria two years ago, you know this game. Minor may not have as much upside, but let’s all recognize that there is simply no team out there that drafts and develops like Atlanta.

by kalesi on Jun 10, 2009 8:09 AM EDT reply actions  

AMEN

I’m not going to say that we Roy is always going to get it right but I think we should at least see this guy throw some pro innings before we crucify the pick. In my eyes knowing how to pitch and controling your pitches is just as important as a 98MPH fastball and some crazy slider. Its not like lefties with 90MPH fastballs and and great changeups have never been successful as it is quite the opposite.

I know you guys really enjoy bitching and moaning but just at least have an ounce of faith…

by bbxxj on Jun 10, 2009 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

the opposite would be that ALL lefties with 90MPH fastballs and great changeups have been successful. Are you implying that Chuck James was successful?>

by yondaime4 on Jun 10, 2009 9:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Touche

However Minor has two other breaking pitches and at least one of them is pretty good. To make his FB/Change good the batter has to at least be aware that a breaking ball can come for a strike. I’m not sure Chucky could do that consistantly.

by bbxxj on Jun 10, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah I’m not arguing that Minor won’t be good, but I think there were guys with a lot more upside that weren’t that much less of a sure thing than Minor. Minor was the safe choice, but the Braves draft so well after the 5th rd I feel like we should gamble in the 1st.

by yondaime4 on Jun 10, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

For a 20th-round pick, yes.

He eventually got hurt, but he had a winning % over .500, a career ERA under 4.5 and a good WHIP. Frankly, I’ll take that, and it’s not like he just fell apart like the other guys.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

At least me personally...

Being a bit disappointed about this draft doesn’t have anything to do with questioning Clark…

Regardless of what they say, I think he’d have taken a Matzek, Turner or Green if they had given him the money to do so.

Q: If on-base pct is so important then why don't they put it on the scoreboard? -Failcoeur

A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Jun 10, 2009 10:26 AM EDT reply actions  

This

With the #7 pick and no supplemental- or second-round picks, there should have been a little wiggle room to sign someone with upside. I’m pissed because I was looking forward to tracking the next great Brapitcher’s success. With one of the prep players, there’s no knowing just how good they can be. With Minor, we have a pretty good idea, and it’s just not that exciting, imo.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jun 10, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes...

But how much of the budget did we blow on all our FA aquisitions this winter?

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

But I would hope teams have a separate budget for the draft.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jun 10, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah...

But at the end of the day, they might have had to dip into other areas with as many big FA moves as we made.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Also the trade for McLouth has maxed out our payroll for the season and our attendance is way down which will always affect any area we spend money in. If we were drawing like we did last season the draft budget might have been bigger.

by yondaime4 on Jun 10, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jordan Schafer

Anybody know what’s happened to Schafer the last few days? Is he giving his wrist time off to heal? I haven’t seem him listed on the minor league updates lately.

by dunnytwogloves on Jun 10, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yes, the wrist was tweaked at the end of last week.

Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.

by MichaelProcton on Jun 10, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice to see him getting to rest it

I figured that was at least part of the problem he was having in the majors but I guess they felt he could push through it.

by was385 on Jun 10, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

From DOB today:

Jordan Schafer has a deep bone bruise on his left hand. Expected to rest for two weeks.

Brandon Jones has some minor patella tendinitis in his knee, not restricted from playing.

Jason Heyward has a strained oblique, and has stayed with the Myrtle Beach club throughout his rehab, contrary to some reports. He’s expected to be back playing as soon as this weekend.

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on Jun 10, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

This sucks

I’m going to see the Pelicans tomorrow, and go figure Heyward will be out. I missed Hanson by a day, Wieters by an inning, and now I’ll miss Heyward by a day or two due to injury. Dang it.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jun 10, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

The optimism in me hopes that the wrist what was holding him back the last 6 weeks or so. Hopefully he was able to take what he learned in the majors, apply it while in AAA and get back up to the majors. To me, the quicker Schafer can get back to the majors, the quicker that FYF can get shipped out!

by dunnytwogloves on Jun 10, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

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