The Sticky Room for Couch GM's
by Andy Braves Fan on May 28, 2009 2:09 PM EDT
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PrintI saw this was mentioned by someone, but nobody actually did it. I created this fanpost for all those trade thoughts, free agent speculations, etc. for the couch GM's. In other words, this FanPost is for rosterbation. Feel free to post all of your secret trade desires here for all to see. Let you flag fly, if you will... there is no need to create any new posts, no matter how good your idea might be.
Just try not to get anything on the carpet.
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I was wondering if there was going to ever be a trade post like this...
Jeff Francoeur to Boston for Jason Bay and Lars Anderson. Boston hasn’t kept it a secret that they really want Francoeur. I say addition by subtraction on this one, plus we get a guy (Bay) that can put up some ok numbers and a prospect that can stand on the first base bag.
Guy #1: Damn, these oysters are going to make us horny as hell...
Girl #2: Oh yeah, I forgot oysters are hermaphrodites.
I’ll bet if we add francisco bueno into the deal we could get Youkilis too.
"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them
down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on May 28, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Only if they throw in Lincecum as well.
by soup du jour on May 28, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions
a 3 team trade!!!
yes!!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 28, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I’ll bet if we addfranciscoFrancisley bueno into the deal we could get Youkilis too.
FIXED…no offense or harm done… he just has my favorite name in all of baseball and I love saying typing it
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Francisco Bueno had a fight in PRIDE 10 years ago against Igor Vovchanchyn, and it was probably the greatest knockout I’ve ever seen.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
I’d like to punch Lars Anderson in the nose.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Is he a douche?
Guy #1: Damn, these oysters are going to make us horny as hell...
Girl #2: Oh yeah, I forgot oysters are hermaphrodites.
by bwellnjonesco on May 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Probably the biggest douche I’ve ever met. I’m not just talking with baseball, I mean all of life. His own teammates don’t like him. He’s made of douche and I personally hope he fails miserably at baseball. I’d love to see how his attitude plays out in the real world.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Damn
Does he hunt small children or something?
Guy #1: Damn, these oysters are going to make us horny as hell...
Girl #2: Oh yeah, I forgot oysters are hermaphrodites.
by bwellnjonesco on May 28, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions
He’s the kind of guy that when you say, “Hey Lars, how’s it going?” he responds, “I don’t understand the question.” In ST this year, a dude asked him the incredibly innocuous question, “How’s your spring going?” to which the great Lars replied, “Relative to what?”
Now sure, when you just read that, it could be kind of funny. But you have to factor in the douche-bag-looking-down-on-you-like-you’re-a-piece-of-shit-on-his-shoe attitude that goes with it.
And, putting that aside for a moment, he turned down signing an autograph for me because he had already signed for me…last year. D-bag. Way to know where your paycheck comes from.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Don’t hate on the guy just because he adheres to a strict one autograph per person, per lifetime rule! Imagine if he signed something for everyone, every year…he’d have carpal tunnel by the time he was 100! Seriously, that’s pretty lame. Although he does get props for recognizing you several months after he signed something for you.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Same type of thing happened to me with Stephen Drew:
The d-backs came into NY twice in ’07 (to play the yankees for interleague and obviously the mets). The first time they came in, he was really a dick about signing and he and I only got him once at the hotel that series. Then, when they came in to play the mets, he said, “I already got you.” I was surprised that he even remembered me. But yeah, thats a pretty dick move.
SubParr
no offense… but if u are at his hotel..I would be slightly more douschish than normal as well
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
it was the team hotel. A friend of mine has the D-Backs media guide. Its has that kinda shit in it.
SubParr
ya but still… i know its part of the life of a baseball player… but to me autographs should be gotten at the game entering or leaving the field (stadium) is fine… or at desginated signings. but that is just me
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I agree with that to a large extent, because I personally have felt incredibly uncomfortable the few times that I’ve gone to a team hotel, but really, Major Leaguers aren’t good enough about signing autographs at the park. If a guy like me, who is a hardcore autograph collector can’t go to a big league game and rack, then they’re just not great about it. Frankly, if you really want to get some autographs at a big league game, you kind of have to hit up the hotel.
I will say that I went to the Nationals hotel here in Norfolk this April when they played an exhibition game and I cleaned up. I got pretty much every guy on the team and they were all totally cool with us being there, with the exceptions of uber-douches Adam Dunn and Daniel Cabrera, and, oddly enough, Willie Harris, who’s become a bit of a jerk in his old age. Of course, he still signed, he just wanted to bitch about it.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
The Drews are fairly notorious for being bad about autographs. Even the one that sucked at baseball.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Even Tim?!?!
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
You know that probably won't help
Theres always gonna be that guy that gets really excited about his idea and starts a new fanpost for it.
Guy #1: Damn, these oysters are going to make us horny as hell...
Girl #2: Oh yeah, I forgot oysters are hermaphrodites.
by bwellnjonesco on May 28, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions
lol, true. Someone who’s idea is so grand and great, it cannot possibly go the chance to be unread in the plebeian comments sections of someone else’s fanpost. And when it comes up, I’ll let it sit long enough for 3-4 people to roll their eyes, ostracize them, link to yondaime4’s Read this before you FanPost, and then delete it so that their time spent typing is gone in an instant.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
What happened to my FanPost about trading for Adrian Gonzalez and Luke Scott?
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
Hell if I know. If I delete anyone’s post, I’ll at least give them the courtesy warning on why it was.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Kidding, but just out of curiosity, what would you tell the guy who posted FAN APPRECATION?
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
Thank you, Sir! May I have another?
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
why did you delete the post with my rap?
i was hoping you guys would let that one stick around…i worked hard on that rap!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 28, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ha, I laughed when I realized it was gone. Your finest hour, gone in a flash.
by Smoltz's Beard on May 28, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Now I am sad.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 29, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Then it’ll get deleted, which is fine by me.
by Smoltz's Beard on May 28, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Glad you guys appreciate the post
I generally try to refrain from rosterbation myself…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 28, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions
yeah itll be good to declutter the fanpost section…
plus the name of the post is sheer genius
If time heals all wounds why do we still have bellybuttons?
Thanks
I did feel particularly clever coming up with it… Not that I am one to brag. Glad someone appreciated it.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 29, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Woulda, coulda, shoulda...
I was thinking about Michael Stanton’s draft position while I read the Salt and Pepper article that cb posted. I got curious about the Braves’ position in that draft, so I looked it up. Their 2nd round pick was number 69 that year (Stanton was taken 76th). The Braves took Josh “I’m a douche” Fields instead. Now, they ended up taking Spruill with the same pick in last year’s draft, but they could just as easily taken him at 67 instead of Stovall. Imagine the MB outfield of Heyward, Stanton, and Johnson. They’d hit a few homers, I think. Damn you, Josh Fields!
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
here’s the thing… its a draft and you never really know what will happen with guys who are that late in the draft. Classic example… Pujols was drafted 127 (i think- but i know its past 100). The guy drafted right before him, literally the pick before, was Alfredo Amezga… Now look how that worked out for the Fish and Cards respectively. There’s only so much known going into a draft
If time heals all wounds why do we still have bellybuttons?
Pujols was 402nd overall, and Amezaga was actually picked by the Angels.
And 400th is a bit different than 70th. Not to say that it isn’t all guess work, but it’s not quite the same that high up.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
If you read the Stanton profile, though,,,
Most scouts thought it was no better than a coin flip that he’d go pro after that draft.
by MichaelProcton on May 28, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
In my defense
I titled my post “woulda, coulda, shoulda”. I realize what you’re saying, and I’m not criticizing the FO, I’m just pointing out who was available and how awesome that MB outfield would look.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Drafts in hindsight should be its own FanPost. I had no idea Pujols was that low. Smoltz and Glavine were pretty late in the draft, and Piazza is probably the best example. Santana was a Rule 5 guy. Lets take a look at FYFs draft year and see who we could’ve taken instead.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
fyf was #23
Matt Cain at 25
Joey Votto at 44
Jon Lester at 57
Jonathon Broxtan at 60
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
True
I remember being excited when I heard about how good he was supposed to be.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on May 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Would like to have this guy right now
27. Joseph Devine
28. Colby Rasmus
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
Ouch
This is an excellent example of why you do not draft for need, especially in the MLB draft.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on May 29, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
we wanted a quick fix for our crappy bullpen that year and we see how it turned out, even though Devine has been a good player when healthy and when given a chance to play.
braves#1
I really didn't want to post this as a fanpost but now is my oportunity...
Step 1: Trade Frenchy for anything as long as the other team will take on his salary.
DFA or trade G Anderson. He is hitting better lately but there is still NO power.
Step 2: Trade Medlin, Morton, and T. Jones to the O’s for Luke Scott. I would hate to see Medlin and Morton go but Luke Scott is really good and is not just a rental. By really good I mean a ton better than what we have in the outfield now. He has a career .270/.357/.501/.858 line and is hitting .314/.400/.571/.971 so far this year and is under team control for I believe two more years. His defense is improving enough this year that he could play a not horrid RF
Step 3: Trade Reyes, Parr, Acosta, and thow-in for Josh Willingham. Even struggling in limited time this year he is outperforming our outfielders with a .228/.355/.465/.821 line. If he comes close to his career averages he would be a huge RH boost in LF: .263/.361/.471/.832 career line.
With our pitching the way it is all we need is an ok to pretty good offense to win the East. This would fit that bill:
1. Escobar SS
2. Kotchman 1B
3. Chipper 3B
4. McCann C
5. Scott RF
6. Willingham LF
7. Johnson 2B
8. Schafer CF
all i will say is please spell names correctly… many readers will immediately look down upon you when you mispell a player’s name (Medlen in this case)… not trying to be a dick just trying to be helpful… I garauntee any post will correct spelling will be more highly regarded than one with spelling errors, even as innocuous (i saw Hobbs use it earlier and I absolutely love the word so, ya i stole it) as spelling errors are.
I know it is just the internet but there are many here who appreciate good grammer (which is not something I am well known for) and proper spelling.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
hahaha
Swo, you called ME the idiot and in a post where you are helping someone with their spelling you say this:
garauntee any post will correct spelling will be more highly regarded than one with spelling errors
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 29, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I never fuck up spelling. HA! Seriously, ‘backspace’ is my best friend. Right now I’m going through some kind of phase where I’m hitting the space key too soon and winding up with screwy words lik ethi s. Meh.
thats the worst.. .cause you really didnt spell anything wrong… u just have poor space bar control… i blame it on a sore thump flexor tendon (ill be seeing Andrews soon enough)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
You went through a phase where you couldn’t spell anything right!
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
The best part of being a mod is that I can catch my own spelling errors and delete individual comments and try again. Medlen Medlen Medlen. When I type for speed, I often want to add a “D” to the end of “Moylan.” I guess I’m used to typing out the D whenever I write “MarylanD sucks” as often as I do.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
hahaha
for some reason, whenever I type fast I ALWAYS type “teh” instead of “the”
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
OK i guess I will say more… I really think the Josh Willingham trade is a possibility.. the Nats are dying for some pitching… especially bullpen help… we could dangle a long reliever and an Acosta type and they might bite on it. I like Willingham (so long as no one calls him “Hammer”), and think he would do well. He would be a 20-25 HR guy (in a full season, obviously not the rest of the way out, but i dont think 15 HR playing the rest of the year is too much to expect from him)… The only thing is he is notoriously streaky, and his lows would madden every one of us, but if we don’t have to give up too much to get him…. I dont see it as too far fetched.
The Scott deal on the other hand… I don’t know… He seems like more of a platoon guy to me. ALthough his numbers dont necessarily suggest thats a limitation of his. Would he be an upgrade? YES.. .is it worth the price it would take? Probably not… The Orioles are notoriously stingy and overvalue their players regularly.
Also, I am curious as to why you selected Travis Jones as the throw in for that deal… hopefully you can explain it. I don’t know a lot about Travis but he seems like a good player and it seems odd to randomly select him (or any player like that)… I understand Morton and Medlen….
And in final remarks. I will say even if Medlen struggles this year… I still think he will end up as our set up guy int he pen… Maybe not.. as the Braves seem really intent on his starting but… I just have a feeling he is either gonna end up in the pen. And he was pretty good in the pen in the minors.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
First, You are very right about my spelling. I’n my defense my wife was nagging me to get off the computer and hang out with her or something like that haha so I was rushing to get the post in. It pisses me off too when people like myself misspell simple names like Medlen. My personal pet peeve is all the Jurrjens misspellings.
Second, Scott could be a platoon type player and that may be too much to give him but his power and average are legit. I follow the O’s semiclosely and this guy can rake. The O’s have a few really good in house options for LF/DH coming up so they may be willing to deal Scott if they could get a pitcher of Medlen’s caliber in return.
The reason I don’t like Willingham as much is I have totally given up on Frenchy but not GA. Willingham may not be able to play RF but if he were he could be the perfect fit. Something like Reyes, Parr, and Acosta should be more than enough to snag him.
Oh, from convos with O’s fans they seem to need MI prospects just as much as we do so thats why I included T Jones.
Disclaimer: I am really freakin tired so there may be some poor grammar/misspellings in here. Sorry.
Willingham can barely play LF, so any corner OF spot is difficult for him and he doesnt have the arm (IMHO) to man RF… but I think he is a more realistic option, becuase the cost is less and I think his numbers will be similar to Scott. Although, I agree Scott is a very good hitter.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I think that is way too steep of a price for Scott. He is a nice player no doubt but i wouldn’t pay that much for him though. Willingham would be a nice addition but i just wouldn’t trade Reyes for him. Im not sayin that Reyes has much trade value its just i dont care about seein him in the future rotation for the Nats. Seems like his chances with the Braves in the rotation might be over but i think if given the chance to just stay out there then i believe he has what it takes to be a solid #3-5 starter in the bigs. I mean Smoltz and Glavine took time and pitched on some awful Braves teams at the beginning, I think Reyes needs the same thing. I just dont care about seein him traded to a NL East team and we see this guy on the mound against us a lot. Im not sayin he will be a Smoltz or a Glavine i just think he has the potential to do good.
braves#1
So basically put 2 DH types at our corner OF positions
Our pitchers would love that…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 29, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Scott is a DH type IMHO only because Pie and now Nolan Reimold are better LFers and Jones and Markakis are entrenched in CF/RF. For sure Scott wouldn’t be a great or even good RFer but he wouldn’t be a detriment. Plus, Willingham wouldn’t be any worse than GA…
I disagree
Luke Scott would be a big defensive detriment. No, Willingham wouldn’t be worse than GA, but having completely subpar fielders on both corners is a bad bad bad idea.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 29, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Scott has actually been above average in left his entire career, but has been abysmal this year in a very small sample size
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
His career UZR/150 are LF 7.9 in 1465 innings and RF 1.6 in 913 innings. Yeah, in a small size he has been bad this year but he wasn’t getting any PT out there because of Pie. So looking at those stats you can say he won’t be great but again he won’t be absolutely awful.
Yeah, exactly
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
Not saying I don't like Luke Scott
But I don’t like him in RF. Frenchy’s UZR may be fringe average, but his cannon of an arm is a very important thing to have for a RF. UZR isn’t the only thing to consider with defense. LFers and CFers don’t necessarily have to have a great arm (though it is a nice plus). Thus, while the UZR is good, the arm does not profile well for right.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 29, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
UZR takes Arm into account now
20 seconds later…
As you correctly point out, his arm isn’t great, but his range is solid:
LF and RF: Arm*: -0.8 and -2.5
LF and RF RangeR*: 8.0 and 2.8
*These are not UZR/150 numbers
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on May 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
didn't realize that UZR has been updated
I would love Luke Scott for LF, but RF needs a better arm. Either way, the Braves only have room for 1 OFer. Anderson/Diaz looks like a fine platoon situation now that Anderson is warming up. Therefore CF and RF are the best places to upgrade. Scott doesn’t profile for either spot. I guess, over FYF, I would take Scott. We’ll see.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 29, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
FYF is starting to look like Vlad out in RF
No range, all arm, making his defensive contribution below average vs someone like Scott who will likely be average defensively and hit better.
Jason Stark’s latest has us interested in DeRo. I wonder what that might take, and how would Bobby manage him? Would he get the everyday RF job, and if so, is he qualified for it? (Not by Braves standards, but normal major league standards.)
"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09
DeRo would be a great addition, as would many players over Francy. In the dream scenario we would give up some of our extra pitching and mabye Barbaro Canizares (as a DH to replace Scott) to get DeRosa and Scott. That would give us a LF/RF rotation with GA/Diaz in LF and Scott/DeRosa in RF with DeRosa getting extra playing time in the infield and Scott getting extra time in LF. DeRosa would fill in great at third and allow us to have some power still if Chipper goes down. It would be odd to have a platoon in LF and RF but it wouldn’t hurt the bench because DeRo would also serve as 2B/3B backup.
I know he is having a terrible season, and doesnt take many walks, but Chris Young could be had I believe. Not sure what Arizona would want in return, but he has a 30 HR 30 steal ceiling, and with Parra playing well for the D’Backs, Young could be expendable. Even if he is batting .170 at the moment, the dude can mash, but strikes out alot…thoughts?
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Only if they’d do a straight Frenchy for Young swap, and even then I don’t know if I’d do it. Young definitely has more speed but otherwise I don’t think he’s that much of an upgrade, his career OBP (.296) and OPS (.731) are lower than Francoeur’s career numbers. He might have a higher ceiling than Frenchy but, unbelievably, Francoeur is outperforming him at the moment.
I think we should keep FYF in RF and upgrade the other two positions in the outfield. If we do that then we dont have half of our lineup sucking instead we just have one person. Yea i know GA isnt “Sucking” but he is not providing us any kind of Power. I’m not a big guy for HR’s but the problem is when Chip is out of the lineup the only person who carries that line up is McCann and pitchers just pitch around him to get to Diaz, or Prado etc.
Not to mention FYF actually saves us runs just by him being in the OF. Managers are scared to send runners and runners are more cautious going for XBH’s when he is out there because of his arm. not to mention he has almost doubled off quite a few people this year.
Hopefully we can grab Willingham for a couple of pitchers like Acosta, Reyes, etc. . . since he wont be a FA till 2012 and that gives us plenty of room to develop Heyward. Also strangely enough thats the year that Kotchman is a FA so Heyward and Freeman can both take their time coming up through the system.
After that I say we trade for Ankiel. From there we get someone with another solid bat and although he is a rental he would give us the freedom to put Schafer in AAA so that he can develop some more. Then at the end of the year Ankiel walks and Schafer gets to come back next year a little more ready.
For Ankiel im sure the Cards would want some sort of MI fellow and I personally wouldnt mind giving them Prado to fill their 2B needs and a lower SS prospect/OF prospect l ike Luis Sumoza or something. Any thoughts on that?
I know Willingham isnt the greatest but he is more Solid and has more to offer than our current options in LF and provides us the ability to not keep getting rentals.
I wonder how we could do the line up? I originally though
Esco SS
Ankiel CF
Chip 3B
Willingham LF
McCann C
Kelly 2B
FYF
Kotchman 1B
or
Esco SS
Kotchman 1B
Chip 3B
Ankiel CF
McCann C
Willingham LF
Johnson 2B
FYF RF
i kinda like the 2nd one better
Its no kinda about it, the second lineup looks wayyyyyyy better than the first lineup i mean you have Kotchman battin behind Frenchy come on now.
braves#1
only reason i did that is not to have 4 lefties in a row. i was just tinkering around
by drumzalicious on May 29, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Francoeur’s UZR has been below 0 each of the last 2 years, and he’s gotten progressively worse this year.
Rick Ankiel is not a cleanup hitter. Josh Willingham is not a cleanup hitter.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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agreed bigjoe but no matter who we acquire the chances of gettin a cleanup hitter is pretty low i dont see us gettin a Holliday or nobody like that. I think we already have our cleanup hitter in McCann anyway no reason to mess that up and put somebody else there thats not as good as Brian.
braves#1
The only guy we could conceivably acquire that I would prefer in the cleanup spot over McCann is Ludwick, and of course Dunn if hell freezes over. Anyone else on the market is a 3 or a 5, and we’re seta t 3
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So switch McCann and Ankiel in the line up its not that hard
by drumzalicious on May 29, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the fact that FYF has a great arm is not a good reason to keep him around.
Otherwise, Willingham could probably be had for (relatively) cheap because the Nationals are so starved for pitching. I’m not sure they would do a trade in their own division during the season but maybe they’re so far out of it by this point that they don’t care.
The Cards would most likely want Escobar for Ankiel so that’s a deal I’m hesitant to make. Seeing as how they’re leading the central right now, I don’t know how much of a rush they’re in to trade anyone. They’ve had some injury issues in their OF so they may want to keep all their “extra” OF’ers around.
I’ll throw out a name: Hunter Pence. The Astros are pretty well out of it by now and their farm system is pretty depleted, according to most accounts. Is a fire sale coming? I’m sure Wren is watching.
They would have to get some cant miss prospects for Pence. I dont see any reason why they will even entertain trading him i mean there is no real reason to. You build your young team around a guy like that not trade him for prospects and HOPE they make it. Pence is good, young, and cheap they should and they will build there team around him at least they will if they are smart.
braves#1
also beeswax
ummm why be hesitant to do Escobar for Ankiel? I mean why the hell would you even consider doin that? that makes absolutely NO sense at all for the Braves. We end up trading our ONLY good major league ready starting SS for Ankiel. That is just awful and would help one area but weaken another so it would be wasteful to do that trade that is absurd to even say that you would be hesitant to make, you shouldn’t even consider it. But like you said there doin good right now so as long as they are doin good there not gonna trade those good players on there team and yes they would prolly want Escobar but no way we do that, that would be an insane trade for the Braves.
braves#1
I doubt it would take Escobar to bring in Ankiel he is a rental and he isnt super dynamite in the field or the bat.
if it was ludwick i would think about it more but not to much more
by drumzalicious on May 29, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Why?
why would you think about trading Escobar for Ludwick? I dont understand why you would think about it even for Ludwick. I mean dude we would fill a area that was a weakness but we would be doin that by makin a hole at SS. I mean at least we do have Brandon Jones in the OF at AAA that i think could do ok at the majors who the hell we have in AAA to take over for Escobar full time? None of those guys can be nearly as good as Escobar and dont mention Diory i like him but come on, he isn’t a starting SS for this team for a full 162 games no way, he is a fine fill in for Escobar while he is hurt but not a full time starter so it makes no sense at all to even think to include Escobar durin the season. I guess they could include a MLB ready SS but i mean depends how good, but even then it would prolly be just a rental. I dont see Wren maken a trade like this and potentially bein without a good qualified MLB SS for the 2010 season i dont see that happenin at all.
braves#1
no no no i wasnt saying i would do it. i said i would think about it but not to much more than i would think about if they offered ankiel for him. neither one would net him IMO. sorry for the confusion
by drumzalicious on May 30, 2009 1:40 AM EDT up reply actions
We could always ask Oakland to get him over there on his way here...
Like they did for the Nats with Langerhans.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions
Just wanted to say
That this topic is working like a charm so far. ‘fingers crossed’
Ironicly
even though I know what this post is all about…i still check when I see “new post”…it’s like a train-wreck – I just gotta see it!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 29, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I know the feeling...
I think it is a good thing though. If people get the sense that their posts are actually being read on this, they will be more inclined to use it…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 29, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is one of my own
Well, not really my own, but I read about it today (Jayson Stark mentioned it)
Apparently the Indians are in need of SP and we are interested in Derosa…I don’t think that Derosa will be the answer, but he certainly could be PART of a collective answer to our OF problem.
Maybe DERO in CF, trade for another RF bat, get rid of HWSRN and some of the expendible SPs (both on the farm and at the MLB level – guys like Parr, Medlen, Reyes, Morton, etc. (you all know who they are by now).
Anyone have any tissues?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 29, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions
Not to sound like a dummy, but who is HWSRN?
Howard Stern perhaps?
The New Punchout for Nintendo Wii......get it
by bravesguy311 on May 29, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
He Who Shall Remain Nameless
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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Voldemort?
The New Punchout for Nintendo Wii......get it
by bravesguy311 on May 29, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, he is about as evil as Voldemort
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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In the span of a week, you people have made both Harry Potter and Twilight references. I hate this place i quit
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on May 29, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
does it make me cool if i had no idea who they were talking about
in either post?
also, don’t forget the LoTR reference earlier.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 29, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions
LOTR is acceptable
I even like harry potter, but I know its lame. Twilight is just lame. Period.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 29, 2009 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Why is Harry Potter lame?
I mean, if we were all 13 again, we would have gone total apeshit over the books/movies, right? Well, that’s a big chunk of the appeal for me. I was a little too young to enjoy the Star Wars movies when they first came out, so the Harry Potter stuff is kind of like experiencing what Star Wars might have been like. Except that Harry Potter isn’t as good. Just my .02…
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on May 30, 2009 12:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Harry Potter does magic…
The Transformers were robots from space who could transform into cars and planes, and shot lasers…
Harry Potter casts spells…
The G.I. Joes were a collection of highly skilled soldiers from all over the world who fought an evil conglomorate, using lasers…
Harry Potter rides a broom…
He-Man fought monsters using a giant sword, and lasers…
Harry Potter is British…
The Thundercats were feline aliens abandoned on a strange world fighting a mummy and his mosters using a giant sword, and lasers…
Harry Potter wears a scarf…
The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles were giant mutated amphibians who knew kung foo and fought all manner of other giant mutated animals, who used lasers…
Harry Potter wears glasses…
The fantasy heroes of our childhood were so much more badass than the wussy crap kids have now. It’s no wonder every kid you meet is an insufferable little bastard.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on May 30, 2009 1:13 AM EDT up reply actions 14 recs
Badass.
Also, first time I’ve ever had a comment go green. Thanks y’all!
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Badass
I know, right? It’s from the new comic that was released last year, called “All Hail Megatron”. I highly recommend checking it out.
by Smoltz's Beard on May 30, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, if you can swallow your pride for 15 seconds, it’s at any local comic book store in NOVA.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 2, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Hop in
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
Preach on brother!
One more:
The Ghostbusters caught ghosts and crossed the streams to blow up a 100 ft marshmallow man…with lasers.
"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09
and what about the stuff these kids have today to watch on nickelodeon? i don’t know about you guys, but i was obsessed with everything on that channel as a kid – both the live action shows- hey dude, clarissa explains it all, YOU CAN"T DO THAT ON TELEVISION! aaah shit! – and the nicktoons- doug, ren and stimpy… have ya’ll seen the shit they have on nickelodeon today? its all pre-teeny and hannah montana-ish, and the kids go apeshit over it anyway…
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on May 30, 2009 11:09 PM EDT up reply actions
All modern kids shows are awful. How freaking awesome was Hey Dude?
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Point taken
And I loved all of those shows. But at least there’s killing and stuff in the Potter books. I really don’t like the parts where the author tries to make me understand what it’s like to be a teenager. Perhaps that’s one of the major turn-offs for you.
I too hate how everything is geared towards teenagers today. For example, I enjoy the Final Fantasy games, but I don’t understand why the hero has to be 16 years old. Teenagers generally aren’t capable of making themselves a sandwch, let alone saving the world. And the creators of the game obviously assume that teenagers can’t/won’t enjoy the game unless the hero is a young/douchey as they are.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
This is actually very successful marketing tool. The first time anyone thought to put in heroes the age of the target audience was in DC comics back in the Golden Age. Any time a book was flagging, the creators would add in a child counterpart to the main hero (Robin, Kid Flash, Wonder Girl, etc.) and the book’s sales would nearly double.
No matter how silly it seems, kids really do respond to products that have heroes that are the same age as them.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Teenagers generally aren’t capable of making themselves a sandwch, let alone saving the world.
lol
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 1, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I feel like I need to let one go.
Braves receive- Alexei Ramirez
White Sox receive- Our right fielder and we eat 75% of salary + Bobby Crosby from
Oakland at half price and pro rated salary
Oakland receives- Reyes, and prospects from socks.
One move and now to the next
Braves receive-Ryan Ludwick
Cardinals receive-Kelly Johnson & Josh Willingham & Braves Pitching Prospect in low affiliate with high upside.
National receive- marginal pitching prospect from braves similar to that given up by nationals during offseason.
Brandon Jones (LF)
Ramirez (2B)
Chipper (3B)
Ludwick (RF)
McCann©
Yunel (SS)
Kotchman(1B)
Schafer (CF)
vs. Lefty
Yunel
Ramirez
Chipper
Ludwick
McCann
Diaz
Kotchman
Schafer
I like this because this makes us a little faster and gives us cheap flexibility in our middle infield for the next few years. It gives us a legit power bat and I’m not counting the high upside of Ramirez’s bat. It opens up a platoon effort for Heyward if they feel he’s ready next year.
I’d also like to put something together for the Marlins Ricky that got demoted to AAA. If they could somehow buy low on him now it would be great. Don’t think it would happen but I would keep my eye on it.
Alexei Ramirez really, really sucks
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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a really slow start
but he’s got something. just pry him away from psycho manager and he’ll be hitting in no time.
He’s abysmal defensively and can’t take a walk
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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he should be at 2b instead of SS
but to each his own. This fanpost is for just throwing ideas out there and that’s what I felt like doing. Unless your Obama’s new Online Czar.
I see potential in that guy kinda like I told you about Edwin Jackson when I first got on this blog back in 08". You saturated the fanpost with you research and stats about jacksons high ass WHIP and how it was pointless to even look at him. Blah blah blah. BREAKOUT YEAR LIKE I SAID MoFo.
“Even a broken clock is right twice a day.”
Ramirez’s year will be when he gets moved to the right situation. Why not make it Atlanta and add speed, flexibility to infield, drop our RF, and shake this shit up a little bit.
YEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAh BOOOOOYYYEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Oh and by the way, last year at 2B (over 1000 innings), he had a UZR/150 of -10.6. Ever consider thats why he’s not there anymore?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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actually they made room for that getz guy right?
Your not going to let your kids masturbate are you???
I’m not gonna have kids.
And Getz has shown much defensively this year. But then again, thats the delusionality of Chicago for you.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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“let your kids masturbate” just sounds wrong
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on May 30, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions
The chances of Alexei becoming good would be the same as the chance of Francoeur becoming good. Both players would have to do a complete 180 and start doing things they’ve never done at the plate before, like not swinging at bad pitches and taking walks.
Anyway, the Ludwick trade is so so and the Sox wouldn’t trade Alexei for that package. FYF + Cosby at discounted rates would be lucky to net anything. You could give them Charlie Morton too and they still wouldn’t do it.
That's the same Edwin Jackson...
who was once the #4 prospect in all of baseball??? Wow, great breakout identification.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions
you obviously have no idea of the back and forth banter I'm referring too.
If the breakout identification was so apparent I believe the Rays would have kept him since the man they acquire most undoubtedly won’t become a significant contributor to their team. His only value will be included in an additional trade to acquire a bullpen arm.
I also believe that more teams would have given up a matt joyce type for a young pitcher about to break out. Someone like the braves could have given up one of many options and thus wouldn’t have pursue Kawakami and his 3 year 8 mil contract.
You should also be aware that the breakout comment I’m referring too was deleted along with the rest of the fanpost because of the many obscenities between us. It consisted of me defending my mere idea and many of the prominent members of the blog basically trying to cyber sodomize me for even mentioning that Jackson was a good person to pursue this off season.
It was a jab at big joe who in the grand scheme of things is right 97 out of 100 times. I just pointed out that in all of his wisdom I was right about ONE thing.
Kelly Johnson leadoff?
Makes about as much sense except that Johnson will actually hit one out of the park every once in awhile.
Yeah...
They traded freaking Miggy Cabrera to get Maybin. Ain’t happening.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Here is a prediction
Rays receive-Chad Qualls
Diamondbacks receive- Matt Joyce
It makes too much sense for it not to happen unless the Rays have already given up.
Rays front office would never trade that much for Qualls, and they aren’t the kind of organization that would trade for pitching when they have so many cheap pitchers.
cheap pitchers that don't hold or save a game.
Pa-lease if there within 5 games at the all star break they will trade for a legitimate bullpen closer. There starters will turn it around with time but there bullpen will be the end of them if they don’t. They got one of the best run producing teams in the game and there still losing. 3 mil for a playoff berth is well worth the risk.
Some might disagree
Carlos Marmol, Jose Arredondo, Jason Motte, Bobby Seay, Bobby Parnell, Matt Thornton, Scott Eyre and Mitch Stetter are all in the top ten in holds, and none are paid more than $2 mil (most way less.)
The guy leading the league in saves right now is Heath Bell ($1.255 mil!.) Brian Wilson is also in the top 10 at near the minimum, and Ryan Franklin and Chad Qualls are both in the $2.5 mil range.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 2:05 AM EDT up reply actions
First, I thought you were talking about internal cheap options
Sorry for the confusion.
Second, Marmol, Motte, Parnell, Arrendondo, Stetter, Eyre, and Franklin aren’t going anywhere unless its this off season. I mean JJ is a cheap arm for us as well but that doesn’t mean were going to trade him away unless it’s someone f-ing serious in return. So all those names are pretty moot
Third, Even if wilson and bell become available, which they might, that’s not a cheap haul because they are relatively young, cheap, proven, and available. So price in prospects gets higher.
Fourth, the rays farm system is thinning out but is still pretty deep at pitching. problem is that they got plans for some of these guys in the immediate two year future. Unless a team is specifically looking for A- AA high upside pitching prospects then the rays don’t match up. San Diego seems like a good fit now that you mention it.
Fifth, with qualls you can offer arb and if he leaves you get a pick most likely. He’s not a free agent till 2011 and if he does take arb then you got the cash cause percival and bradford and possibly balfour could be off the books. I see them resigning balfour for now.
Sixth, Another prediction, at some point this year the rays deal with rangers for one of their many young catchers.
Aha...
OK. It does read that way now that I look back. I was responding as though you said cheap pitchers CAN’T be quality closers/setup men.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Closers are so overpriced that the Rays would never trade for a true closer, and Joyce is just too much for Qualls. If anything, the Rays will trade for a right handed bullpen ace (to replace Balfour returning to earth), keep Howell as the ace lefty, and Wheeler/Percival as bullpen guy who racks up saves.
Anyone else notice the White Sox getting busy? just got the catcher from the Mets and are scouting the Astros with possibilities being Oswalt and Tejada.
Wonder if the Astro’s are having a Fire Sale . . . . If Only . . . Lance Berkman . . . AH . . . . but this thread is for dreaming in a sense lol.
I would give up a lot for the Big Puma.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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+1 to CB, -1 to Berkman
Love me some Berkman, but you can’t give yourself a nickname and expect people to use it.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
he aint going by Fat Elvis anymore? Damn, I really liked that.
"If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them
down? We might, if they screamed all the time, for no good reason."
by !Vive la Francoeur! on May 30, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions
You would have to think that that deal would have to be Pitching Pitching Pitching so prob Medlen, Locke, Morton, Kotchman, and prob some more
by drumzalicious on May 30, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions
The Rockies
Rockies fire Clint Hurdle. Colorado’s in dead last in the NL West. You gotta believe that they will be sellers on the trade market as they try to dump payroll.
So, here it is: Francoeur + Morton + (insert other minor league player here) for Brad Hawpe.
The Rockies get someone who’s able to take Hawpe’s place in the OF (and who knows, Coors Field could do wonders for Frenchy) and a talented young pitcher (plus, they’d probably want an infielder).
Thoughts? Is it too much? Too little?
This is way too little
FYF has negative trade value, Morton is little more than a fringe player right now until he does something in the bigs, and Hawpe is a good enough piece that he’ll require at least one legit prospect in a deal… probably someone like Gorkys.
by get swoll yunel on May 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed with get swoll, its gonna take at least one legit prospect, and then a few other pieces like a Morton or somethin like that. I have said that only way i would want Gorkys traded is for a young Corner OF but Hawpe is 30 so not exactly young but not old either. Now Gorkys is very young and has plenty of time to get more walks, and cut down his strikeout and to learn how to steal better so im not worried with that at least not right now. I wouldn’t be bad upset or nothin if Gorkys was in the deal for Hawpe cause he is real good player BUT we have to be careful cause players of Gorkys potential with his leadoff skills and speed dont grow on trees and we dont have another player like him at all in our minors or on our MLB roster so Wren has to be careful if he trades Gorkys.
braves#1
Heranandez needs to "learn how to steal better?"
He’s up at 80% in his professional career.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
look at it this year man. Look at his SB/CS ratio now. 9 Stolen bases and 6 Caught Stealing. Im not talkin about his career, its prolly easier to steal in the lower levels but with his speed i would like for a MUCH better ratio from him. You would expect those numbers from a guy with a little above average speed not a guy with game changing speed like Gorkys he needs to learn how to steal better.
braves#1
OK, you're right...
A sample size of 15 IS way more accurate than 120+.
by MichaelProcton on May 31, 2009 3:25 AM EDT up reply actions
lol
believe whatever you want man but i am pretty sure that the Braves front office and scouts are keepin their eyes on his SB/CS ratio. If you dont want to believe its a big deal then fine, you know maybe its not a big deal and he is just in a funk right now but for somebody like him with his kind of speed i expect more and im sure Braves scouts and Front Office does as well.
braves#1
The Rockies wouldnt go for Gorkys
They have two similar players in Dexter Fowler (who has more upside than Gorkys) and Carlos Gonzalez in their system.
I assume any Hawpe deal starts and ends with pitching
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
A New Idea
When looking around at who might be available for the Braves, I came across an interesting name that I haven’t heard mentioned yet: Ben Zobrist from the Rays. He has primarily played RF for the Rays this year, but also has played a lot of 2B and SS for them. He rates best defensively at 2B with a UZR/150 of 82.3 in 2008 and 58.1 so far this year, but is no slouch in the OF, where he rates a 24.2 overall and specifically 34.8 in RF. His position flexibility, as well as his budding power and consistently great career OBP, would make him a great addition to the Braves lineup. It also doesn’t hurt that he’s signed for cheap this year, and is under team control through at least 2012 (if I understand his years of service correctly).
One of the best parts about adding him would that he would make Kelly Johnson a legitimate trade asset. Either keep Zobrist in the outfield and keep KJ, trade KJ for a bigger power bat and let Zobrist play 2B, or trade KJ, keep Zobrist in RF (goodbye Frenchy), and let Prado takeover everday 2B. Basically, acquiring Zobrist works very well for the Braves not only defensively, but offensively also with his power and high OBP.
So, what will it take to get him? Charlie Morton is a great start, and Tampa Bay desperately needs a left hander in their bullpen, so sending Boone Logan could be done also. If that’s not enough, add Gregor Blanco or Travis Jones to it, and I believe it’d be a good deal. Again, this is all speculation, but I believe adding Ben Zobrist would seriously help us on the current team and help us add a high-power OF bat as well.
"These two teams are constantly going at each other verbally. You know, win with class, lose with class. Just keep your mouth shut and go play your game."--Chipper Jones, commenting on the Muts/Phaillies verbal girl fight.
Zobrist probably has about the same trade value as Kelly Johnson, or even more. Including this year, Kelly Johnson has 3 more years till free agency while Zobrist has 5. His true skill level is probably around a .800 OPS player, so if you assume average defense at his positions (not enough UZR data to be conclusive), he’s worth more than Kelly.
not a bad idea. the rays definitely need pitching help. we’d just have to be careful not too overpay for him.
Plus, with the injury to Iwamura, I’m not sure they’d trade Zobrist.
Yes...
The Iwamura injury makes it real tough for them to get rid of Zobs.
by MichaelProcton on May 30, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
You sure about that?
$4 mil doesn’t necessarily seem like a ton for a guy who’s pretty versatile, plays pretty good D, and hits for average.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 2:07 AM EDT up reply actions
100%
no doubt about it. They also have to pay a 10 mil option to crawford and they have quite a few guys that will no longer be in their pen. Plus they have the burden of 9 mil for Pat. If they can somehow move Pat Burrell and at least 4 million of his salary then they might keep him. They will be shopping for a catcher, bullpen help, and maybe a crawford replacement for 2011 on a very limited budget. In fact I see them cutting there budget back 5-10 million next year unless they make the playoffs. Sorry for the rant but I live in Tampa and follow them as much as the braves.
It's ok...
I imagined you had some more info on the situation than me.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 1, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
There was a fanpost about this a while back. I just can’t get behind Zobrist. Other than this year, his numbers are fairly awful; I wouldn’t give up much in a trade for a guy who’s had a few nice months.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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Sorry I missed that Fanpost, I hate to be a repeater. While his major league numbers are just coming around, his career minor league numbers are very good. Combined .318/.429/.459, with an .888 OPS. I agree, 2-3 years ago he wasn’t worth diddly, but since last year he seems to have finally gotten it going in the majors. I agree we shouldn’t give up too much for him if the opportunity came, but I still think he’d be a very good addition and major upgrade over our current OF situation.
"These two teams are constantly going at each other verbally. You know, win with class, lose with class. Just keep your mouth shut and go play your game."--Chipper Jones, commenting on the Muts/Phaillies verbal girl fight.
Don’t worry about repeating, that’s why we’ve got this thread. And really, anybody would be an upgrade over our OF.
As for Zobrist, I see a guy who was always 3-4 years older than his league in the minors, and sure, if you look at his last 105 games in the bigs, he looks great. But he’s 28 and he’s never played regularly in the majors. There’s nothing saying that he won’t be exposed horribly the second time through the league.
Yeah, if you could get him for peanuts, I’d be all for it, but the Rays are always bad trading partners. They ask for too much and drag their feet.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
agreed cb
Remember what the price was for Lugo a few years back? They wanted Escobar, Salty and James. At the time James was spoken high of around the league so that was alot so yeah they are very tough to trade with always askin for the moon.
braves#1
I remember at one point we asked about getting Carl Crawford and they pretty much said they wanted our best pitching prospect, our best hitting prospect and like 2 other top tier guys. They’re ridiculous. It’s like, they fleeced Steve Phillips once so they figure they can do it to anybody.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
I figure your talkin about the Kazmir trade but Phillips didn’t get fleeced it was Jim Duquette. Duquette was the GM at the time when he made the Kaz trade. But yeah most people thinks its Omar or Steve that made it they forget Duquette.
Its insane the asking price from the Rays they are like Jim Bowden they want to make sure if they have to screw your team they dont care they just want to make sure they get the talent back and can careless if your team gets talent back thats just how i feel about the Rays. But its workin for them so thats fine. They did do the Joyce for Jackson trade which looked fair but ONLY cause there competing now and they needed Joyce lol.
braves#1
Man, I had forgotten about Duquette. Good call. And you’re right about Bowden. The Pirates are like that too. I don’t understand wanting to screw the other team, just make a good trade.
I was laughing a little when I saw Joyce with Durham this year.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
yeah i mean i like to see even trades like the Vazquez deal. That trade is helpin us alot and i think it will help the Sox alot in the future cause i think at worst Flowers becomes a DH for them and puts up good numbers in that park. It also helps with the relationship between Wren and Williams and the Braves and White Sox Front Office, maken trades like this helps for maken trades in the future easier. You keep screwin teams, they will start low ballin you or just not attempt to trade with you at all.
You know i actually liked the Joyce for Jackson deal, i thought it was a pretty fair deal because the Rays needed a Corner OF and a DH and they traded for Joyce and signed Burrell. I figured Joyce would be their DH and put up respectable numbers but it just hasn’t worked out so far though.
braves#1
It's almost not fair
To make Player X for Jeff Francoeur scenarios, because no matter who Player X is, as long as they’re an outfielder who plays in right, I almost agree every time.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
I wonder if other blogs rosterbate like ours does
Hypothetical Kansas City Royals blog:
I absolutely LOVE Brian McCann and would love to have a catcher like that on our team. The Braves need help in the outfield so do you think they’ll do this?
Braves get: Jose Guillen, Mark Teahen, Miguel Olivo, prospect
Royals get: Brian McCann, Jeff Francoeur
That would give the Braves the cleanup hitter they need (Guillen) and another OF bat in Teahen. Olivo calls a great game so they wouldn’t lose anything behind the plate.
Hypothetical Texax Rangers blog:
Oh man we could really use some pitching. The Braves have a lot of pitching and I’m looking at this Jair Jurrjens guy and he’s pretty good. With their pitching surplus and need for an outfield bat, I bet we could get him.
Braves get: Andruw Jones, prospect
Rangers get: Jair Jurrjens
I don’t really want to give up Andruw, but you have to give up something good to get something good.
Kevin Towers, as a blogger, last fall:
Oh man I need to dump Peavy to free salary and rebuild my farm system. The Braves are looking for an ace and and I need prospects. Let’s see… I need some infield help, pitching, and some power prospects as well.
Braves get: Jake Peavy, Khalil Greene
I get: Yunel Escobar, Tommy Hanson OR Jason Heyward, Tyler Flowers, Charlie Morton OR Jo-Jo Reyes, Jordan Schafer OR prospect + Gorkys Hernandez
Yes, that should be enough.
by VictorW on May 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 7 recs
lol
im sure other team blogs rosterbate just as bad as Braves fans do and say some of the same stuff, mentioning Escobar, Chipper, McCann, Jurrjens, Hanson, Kotchman, Soriano, Gonzo, KJ, Prado, Vazquez, Schafer i dont care about goin to other teams blogs but im sure if you spent a few minutes on each you would find out there fans do the same thing lol. I think a guy on here named Rain Delay is i think a Mariner fan as well as Braves fan so he might no just how much their fans rosterbate.
braves#1
green'd
this thread is golden.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 30, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Awesome
I get so sick of seeing trade scenarios where Team X gets a truckload of our organizational waste, and we get their best/most tradeable player. No one stops to think about how the other team might value our prospects.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
On MLBTraderumors
Some Yankees fan threw this gem out:
[Comment From UnNamed Yankee Source]
Could this work for both teams? TO NYY: Prado/Hanson TO ATL: Swisher/Wang
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 3, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
oh my lord.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 3, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
A move for a different reason
I truly enjoy all the different theories and opinions that are presented here. However, I think there’s one kind of roster move you guys are missing. The move made strictly for entertainment purposes. i.e. I think we should acquire Chien-Ming Wang from the Yankees. Why? So we can enjoy headlines such as these…
After a bad outing we might read, “Cox pulls Wang in 6th inning” or a night with too many BBs, “Wang all over the place tonight.”
Likewise, being in the National League, he will have a chance to bat, which might give us headlines such as, “Wang goes deep tonight.”
If anything, it might take the sting out of some of the losses?
Just a thought.
;o)
+1
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
The cover of the most recent ChopTalk has FYF on it and below him reads:
“Looking Up!” LMFAOOO. What games have they been watching???
SubParr
Corey Hart!!!!!
From rotoworld….
The Tigers, Giants and Red Sox have all scouted and/or discussed the possibility of acquiring Corey Hart, reports the Boston Globe’s Nick Cafardo.
The Giants and Red Sox both have pitching to give, with the Brewers needing a starting pitcher. Hart got off to a slow start on the year, but a couple recent strong games have pushed him to .256/.330/.415 on the season. He makes a lot of sense for the Giants. If the Brewers were to deal Hart, either Jody Gerut or Frank Catalanotto would likely start.
Source: Boston Globe
what does this have to do with the Braves?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 31, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Braves kind of match up well. Problem is, Hart is a blue chip and seriously under-rated. Along with McCann probably one of the top 5 under-rated players in the NL. That doesn’t mean that the Brew Crew’s front office is stupid… It would take a bunch of good pitching to get him. I imagine the conversation would go like this:
FW: So, what would it take to get Corey Hard
Doug Melvin: Jair Jurrjens and Jeff Locke
FW: (Dial Tone)
by Andy Braves Fan on May 31, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
It all depends how interested they are in trading him. If they aren’t really interested in trading him and will just listen then of course they will ask for the moon for him but if they really are interested in trading him and gettin some useful pieces for him then of course they aren’t stupid enough to ask for Jurrjens i mean thats a hang up right there. It just all depends if he really is on the block or not. I have always liked Hart this guy can play, and he is a very underrated player like you said, this guy mixes in good contact, solid 20-30 homer power, good speed and good solid respectable defense in RF. Many argue that his OBP wasn’t all that but this guy can play plain and simple and i would really like to get this guy but i dont figure they are all that interested in trading him unless a team blows them away with an offer which i seriously doubt a team would do that for Hart.
braves#1
I mentioned Corey Hart in another thread and as i said there he would be a great addition to this team since he is that RH power we need in the middle.
I think if we gave them enough quality pitching in return they wont even think about JJ.
Maybe
Medlen
Morton
Locke
+ Some throw in prospects like BJones?
Maybe get away with trading them Vazquez as well and getting Cameron ? Gives us the ability to put Schafer in AAA for the rest of the season we get a BIG upgrade offensively. Of course Cameron walks at the end of the year but next year we will always have Schafer or Gorkys.
So that would make it
Vazquez
Medlen
Morton
Locke
BJones
+ maybe another OF prospect lower on the food chain like Luis Sumoza
for
Cameron
Corey Hart
They get 3 MLB ready arms with the choice of using Medlen to beef up their pen.
The only thing is that Bobby is in love with Vazquez so I’m not to sure he lets him go to easily but it would still be an upgrade to our offense. We would just have to call up Hanson to take Vazquez’s Spot on the team
by drumzalicious on May 31, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Our starting pitching is the only thing keeping us in the race so far this year. Why on earth would we trade an amazing strikeout, 200+ innings pitcher with great consistency? You’ve just created a hole by filling another, not much solved there.
by BravesRaleigh on May 31, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Well the thinking is that with Hanson a possibility to contribute long term, Glavine a rehab away, and Hudson looking like a mid August return it would balance out. yea we may lose a few good starts from our rotation but at the same time our offense would more than make up for it.
by drumzalicious on May 31, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I would rather have Vazquez who can go 7+ every start rather than Glavine or Hudson who would have a hard time making it to 5, where we would end up having to use our bullpen even more than we do now, which would just be awful. I don’t really think Corey Hart substitutes for that. He’s not our savior.
by BravesRaleigh on May 31, 2009 10:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Well in that situation where we are trading Vazquez we are getting Corey Hart and Cameron
by drumzalicious on May 31, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think adding 2 more average players is really gonna help us. We need ONE impact bat to protect chipper and mac better. And I still don’t feel like adding offense and subtracting pitching is the way to go. The pitching is fine where it is, leave it alone, and use players who aren’t performing up to standards, bench players, and prospects who don’t have a significant role in our future to get 1 important bat.
by BravesRaleigh on Jun 1, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions
In Drumz's defense...
He is more accurately assessing Hart and Cameron than many would. Both are underrated impact players, Hart especially. Value wise, both are quite valuable. I don’t think it is a stretch to think that the Brewers would ask Jurrjens for Hart. Wren would hang up the phone, but Doug Melvin would probably ask…
From the Braves perspective, they would probably offer a package with young pitching, Medlen would be a good name to throw out there, especially after his last outing. Morton has seen some success as well, and is tearing up AAA. I could see 1 or both dealt before the trade deadline, and a guy like Hart is exactly what the Braves should be looking for. Young, good bat, some speed, some power…
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 1, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not denying that they're valuable.
I would be perfectly cool giving up Medlen and a couple other prospects for Hart, I just don’t like the idea of giving up 1 of our key pieces of our strongest aspect, the starting pitching. That’s the one department we’re doing well in, I would hate to mess that up. Like I’ve said, that’s just creating 1 hole by filling another.
by BravesRaleigh on Jun 1, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
Trade from a surplus
That is really the name of the game. Starting pitching is probably the #1 most valuable surplus to have in the MLB right now. The Braves find themselves in the happy position of having a surplus. This means that Vazquez could net a really big bat while keeping the payroll even or maybe even lowering the payroll. I like Javy too, but for the Braves he will probably be a great trading chip… Everything must be considered.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 1, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Why would the Braves do that deal?
Medlen + Morton + Locke + BJones for Hart is overpayment for Hart. He had a great 2007 but a mediocre 2008 and isn’t off to an awesome start in ’09, neither offensively nor defensively. And, he does not walk.
If his 2009 plays like his 2008 did, his arb salary will be almost equal to his value. He had one good year, and that was 2007.
Then, you’re throwing Vazquez and Cameron into the picture and that deal is insanely tipped towards the Brewers.
Cameron’s really good, but Vazquez is worth significantly more than Cameron. He’s controlled for a whole extra year over Cameron at well below market value, and he’s a solid #2 in the NL. Vazquez is insaaaanely undervalued.
Remember, Mike Cameron is only under contract for 1/2 a year (and offering arbitration might be a risk with Cameron). Hart for 2.5 years. Medlen and Locke each have 6.
"And you just don't get it, you keep it copacetic..."
What makes you think that the second place Milwaukee Brewers would trade 2/3 of their starting outfield?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
because they could get jo-jo and FYF in return!
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 1, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL…leave them be. Let them play in their little fantasy world, the mere fact that I don’t have to see this nonsense invade every single fanpost is awesome.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 1, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions
FW: So, what would it take to get Corey Hard
Doug Melvin: dials police to report obscene phone call
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
huh, didn’t know that made things bold, kinda ruins the effect I was going for.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
I try not to let it bother me....
but with the name of this thread and all…. I feel kind of “icky” when I’m reading here…. I’m very sensitive, you know…. ;-)
Frenchy
I think we should make him bat 4th and move him to center. If we’re going off of his strengths, that is. The only thing I’ve seen him do well this year is stroke his massive ego and turn plays into worse plays. Perhaps if we play to his head-size and place him in prestigious spots in the field and lineup, his ego wont allow him to fuck up so much.
Sticky ass carpets.
I said in another thread Bobby should just put him cleanup for a series and see how he does. not because of FYF being an amazing player but because of him complaining about who hits behind him and using it as an excuse for his underachieving
by drumzalicious on Jun 2, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Can David Ortiz play RF?
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
check this out
Morton + Gorkys + Locke for McLouth…What do you think?
Huh? What’s that? We already made that deal??!!
We need a new post
But here goes:
McLouth, CF
Escobar, SS
Jones, 3B
McCann, C
GA, LF (I wouln’t put him this high, but Bobby insists, and he fills out the lineup card…)
KJ, 2B
Kotchmann, 1B
fyf, RF
Pitcher
That’s a legitimate ML lineup. Not dominating, but it doesn’t have to be with the pitching staff they have.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
I really want Kotchman to stay in that #2 hole he is a BEAST in the #2 hole.
by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions
In his career, he's actually best #5
Would he be a better option than Anderson?
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 1:55 AM EDT up reply actions
I still like Escobar leading off. Higher OBP batting 1st. So, I’d flip McLouth & Yunel and maybe move Frenchy into 7th or 6th spot to break up all the LH hitters.
I think you're right
Esco has a high obp, and a high GB%. McLouth hits for good power, don’t want to waste that in the #1 spot. I’d leave the rest of the lineup the same, because fyf (his great game notwithstanding) isn’t good enough to make an opposing manager afraid to insert a loogy to face the other lefties.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
So that would be
Esco
McLouth
Chip
for our 1st 3?
not bad.
by drumzalicious on Jun 4, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Blanco Trade?
What do you guys think about trading Gregor Blanco?
The guy essentially will never be our starting CF and is blocked for at least the next 3-4 years.
Why dont we trade him to the Nationals?
One of their problems defensively has been that they dont have a TRUE CF’er. We can help them out with a CF’er and they can help us out with . . something lol.
If FYF continues to falter how about Blanco + an arm for Willingham? Yea the guy isnt great but he is a solid upgrade over FYF and brings some power to our line up.
Any thoughts? most likely fifth in the lineup btw
McLouth/Little Mac = Stole this from someone
Kotchman
Chip
Mac
Willingham
FUGA
KJ
Esco
Isn’t Willie Harris already better than Blanco?
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 3, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions
It was one of their telecasts that said that the problem is they have 5 outfielders and none are a true CF.
also suggested them ridding themselves of that surplus of corner OF’ers would really help the team
by drumzalicious on Jun 3, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Just because it’s one of their telecasts doesn’t mean they have a clue what they’re talking about. I know UZR isn’t perfect, but it likes Harris better than Blanco in CF already…and Harris can take a walk just as well as Blanco but he actually has some pop (being generous here).
It’s pretty close, I know, but I’m just saying.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 3, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions
As far as play in CF goes, I’d take Blanco over Harris every time. Harris makes up for a lot of mistakes with his speed, but when you watch him, you can still see a guy who was a second baseman first and an outfielder second.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
You’ve probably seen each of them far more frequently in the position of CF than I have, all I know is that watching Blanco last season I personally thought he wasn’t as sound as he was made out to be.
I honestly don’t remember Harris out there, which is why I mentioned I was simply going by UZR. I think we can agree though that Harris is a much better offensive threat?
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 4, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions
its cool man i was just going by what the guy was saying about their overage of outfielders since i dont really know exactly what they need and figured Harris was just a utility guy filling in at CF.
by drumzalicious on Jun 4, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions
No worries. Trust me, if we could trade Blanco and a minor league arm for Willingham…I’d be all over it.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 4, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions
migiht take something like Blanco and a minor league OF
Luis Sumoza?
by drumzalicious on Jun 4, 2009 12:54 AM EDT up reply actions
I've actually liked what he's done in Washington.
With an 811 OPS and decent fielding at $1.5 mil, they’re getting good value out of him.
Remember, kids...don't ever let facts get in the way of your argument.
by MichaelProcton on Jun 4, 2009 1:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean
we are no longer interested in DeRo?
Because I still think we should trade for him to play RF.
THAT would give us a legit lineup.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 12:18 PM EDT reply actions
If FYF continues to fail
What do you guys think about Juan Pierre?
Manny will be returning in a bit and Pierre will become expendable. I’m sure they would want a OF in return like B Jones but what else do you guys think would take to get him. That would really setup our Lineup Nicely
We Could go:
Pierre RF
McLouth CF
Chip 3B
Mac C
At the top and i dunno about the rest
I think Pierre has way too much value right now. I don’t think he is as good as he is playing currently. The Dodgers will definately try to sell high on him, plus I am not so sure that he would be as expendable as you think.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 4, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Pierre’s contract is straight up BAD, and he’s playing over his head right now. No thanks.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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yea his contract isnt to great i was thinking it would have to be a deal where they pay some of the contract.
Any Thoughts on who we could get as a true lead off man? i just think McLouth would be better served in the #2/#3 hole
by drumzalicious on Jun 4, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
So on the subject of a leadoff man as we seem to have found our power guy...
see DOB blog, McLouth is hitting third.
A name not bought up often likely because he offers little power is Coco Crisp. With the middle of our order seemingly solidified we should try and find a good fielding RF leadoff man. Crisp would be a good switch-hitting leadoff man with his .344OBP and a already 11 steals this year. He could play center or right depending on where they woud like to put him and McClouth. His average is pretty low this year (.233) but he has a pretty unlucky BABIP (.246) well below his career average of (.307). Some stats of note would be his outstanding K/BB ratio (0.70 or 19K/27BB) and that he already has five HR.
The trade I would propose would be Francoeur and JoJo Reyes. They would see this as a chance to get some players with what DM may see as alot of upside for a guy they aren’t going to hold onto past this year. Crisp makes $5.75M this year with a 0.5M buyout this year so I’m not sure who would take on the ~2M difference but we could add another prospect if money is an object. Just the following lineup would be be pretty dang good:
S 1. Crisp RF
R 2. Escobar SS
L 3. McLouth CF
S 4. Chipper 3B
L 5. McCann C
B 6. GA/Diaz LF
L 7. Johnson 2B
L 8. Kotchman 1B
Umm, Crisp's arm
NOT a RF arm, in fact, as bad if not worse than Juan Pierre. Can people stop suggesting guys with terrible arms as right fielders? Now, if you said pick of Crisp for CENTER and move McLouth to Right, that almost makes sense…
An Arm/Bat combo that might make sense: Andruw Jones. Just food for thought… (was that a bit of rosterbation I just performed?).
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 5, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
3 Nights in August
The book about Tony LaRussa. One interesting game vs. the Cubs, Pujols’s elbow was gimpy and he had difficulty throwing, and LaRussa didn’t want to have him playing 1B, but desperately wanted to keep his bat in the lineup.
So, LaRussa puts Pujols out in LF, and gives special instructions to Edgar Renteria, that anything hit out to Pujols, run practically out into LF, get the ball from Pujols, and to do the fielding himself. Renteria only had to do it like twice, and in the end, Pujols hit the walk-off homer.
Just a thought, that with a little creativity, even gimpy arm outfielders can be compensated for. But I don’t advocate Juan Pierre.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
sounds a ton like the softball team I played on…none of our outfielders had an arm, so as the SS, i was running practically to the middle of the OF to recieve their throws (which, by the way, were still WAY off target…) and then I had like a split second to turn and make any sort of accurate throw…I hate OFers with weak arms.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 5, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
But see
That is LF, RF is a completely different story. It is ok for a LF to have a below average arm, its even sometimes ok for the CF, but the RF should have a good arm.
by Andy Braves Fan on Jun 5, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
in softball….I was cutoff for everything, because our 2b had a sucky arm too…plus, dont forget about that 4th OFer.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 5, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
wow ur sooo great…. when i grow up i want to be just like u….get a grip its softball u fag… plus ive seen ur arm… its nothin to write home about
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
didn’t my team beat yours?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 6, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions
we beat ur team, but it was on a walk off and u werent there….and my team did advance further in the playoffs
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I’m talking about when I played 2 years ago…not this past year.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 9, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I wonder what it would take for us to get Nelson Cruz.
Rangers need pitching?
What about Vazquez + a Minor League Arm?
I would like to be patient with FYF but i also realize that now is when we need to be striking and making these trades and winning games while the Phillies have sucky pitching and the Mets are missing a lot of their offense.
Why would the Rangers trade Nelson Cruz? They are leading the AL west, due in large part to Cruz. I know they have a glut in the outfield, (Marlon Byrd, Andruw Jones, Josh Hamilton, Nelson Cruz, David Murphy) but they have Nelson Cruz already, and have them under control for at least next year also (not verified) He is only getting paid 405K this year, and I don’t think the Rangers would want to take Javy’s 11 Mil contract like that. I really don’t see this one happening.
The best way to get the impact bat that I think we need would be a 3-way deal. I know we are stocked with prospects, but we don’t really want to get rid of any. So, I think we would need to trade Javy to a team that needs the start pitching, (as you suggested maybe the Ranger, Yankees, Angels so on) for prospects + semi-capable starter to go in the 4-5 slot on our pitching staff, and flip the prospect for an impact bat (say M. Holliday, V. Martinez, X. Nady, N. Swisher, J. Dye)
I don’t want Nady, Swisher or Holliday. I don’t think any of them will be the “impact bat” that we want/need. I think we need to look at bringing in a younger guy who we will control for a few more years.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
Swisher would do wonders for this team…what exactly do you not like about him?
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 11, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
His defense…I know, I know, old argument, couldn’t be any worse than what we already have, etc…
But, I thought when we were all fantasizing a few months ago over who we could bring in that the general concensus was that Swisher would not be a good fit due to suspicion that he had a lucky year last year…Maybe I am confusing him with Nady…
The game last night turned me off to Swisher…that dropped pop fly that went over the wall for a double…ugh….
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Upon futrher review
I just looked at his splits for this year…I do like him. I think i was confusing him with Nady.
My bad.
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah…if anything Swish was unlucky last year.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 11, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
The game thread
missed you last night…
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, got a new video game so I put a good 4+ hours into it. Of course the exact moment I fired up Gameday on my laptop was right when JJ gave up 2 runs…figures…
by Smoltz's Beard on Jun 11, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Here's what I DO like about him
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
dammit
http://www.fantasyplayers.com/nfl/FeedItem.asp?FEED_ITEM_ID=57073
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on Jun 11, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
I think we need to look at bringing in a younger guy who we will control for a few more years.
If the player is established, they are very expensive prospect-wise. Rebuilding teams don’t want to trade them because they are who you rebuild around and obviously winning teams don’t want to trade them either.
Thanks for using this thread
Instead of making a new post. I just realized the top 3 fanposts right now are all forms of rosterbation.
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