Atlanta Braves Minor League Recap: 5/25
by yondaime4 on May 26, 2009 12:32 AM EDT
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PrintWhat does everyone think about a universal rosterbation thread on the front page? I'm not against rosterbation, because it is what we fans do, but I feel like the posts lately have been cluttering up the side bar. Maybe a universal rosterbate fanpost that everyone recs so it stays up for a while?
Indianapolis 5, Gwinnett 2
- B. Canizares 2-4
- V. Pope 1-4 2B
- C. Sammons 1-4 2B, RBI, 2K
Todd Redmond wasn't great and there wasn't any offense to speak of. Also notice this is the first time in like two weeks that Canizares has made the highlights. He hit .354 last month and so far this month he has hit .286. His peripherals are still fairly solid, but his power is down just slightly and obviously overall hits are down.
Mobile 1, Mississippi 0 - Game 1, 7 Innings
- C. Rodriguez 1-2 BB, SB(3)
- D. Heath 6IP 6H 1R 3BB 3K
Heath pitched pretty solid in this one but couldn't get any offense to back him up. Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years (if some people get traded or don't pan out).
Mobile 6, Mississippi 2 - Game 2, 7 Innings
- B. Hicks 1-3 HR(3)
- C. Rodriguez 1-3 HR(2)
- E. Campbell 2-3 K
Jeff Lyman got the rare start in this game but did about as well as a reliever starting would be expected to do and then Stephen Marek came in and sucked it up. I expected Marek to be good enough to have a shot at being in the Atl pen by this point in the season but he is sporting a 9.42 ERA. WOW. Also Brandon Hicks continues his reemergence posting a .723 OPS this month with a much more controlled K rate. Keep an eye on a second half bust out.
Myrtle Beach - Off
Greenville 5, Rome 1
- J. Sucre 2-4
- C. Shehan 1-3 2B
- Z. Spruill 7.2IP 12H 4R 0BB 6K
Spruill was coming off the first loss of his career and he must have thought it was a good feeling. Though honestly, considering he gave up 12 hits in just under 8 innings he came out alright. Also this Rome defense is pretty terrible so I bet a lot of his ground balls get past these guys.
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He’ll still got about to months to turn surly and get himself suspended for my offseason prognostication to come true. But it’s looking like I was at least right in saying that he’s just not that good. If you’re not willing to work, you won’t make it at the higher levels.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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Heath has a legitimate big league arm… Just my .02
by Whodunnit?4040 on May 26, 2009 12:37 AM EDT reply actions
The problem with a permanent rosterbatory post is that the people who rosterbate don’t really follow any kind of rules or codes of conducts. They just show up, spew their rosterbation all over the fanpost section, and leave. It’ll never work.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
It would be nice
If the powers that be would try it out, and perhaps hold off on the offending-user-bans/flames for a week or two to see if it will take.
meh hernandez is striking out too much atm. Don’t get me wrong he is hitting great, but with little power and not a whole lot of walks. Also has a really high BABIP.
Agreed
He’s hitting something like .360, but it’s really hollow: he’s stolen 9 of 15 bases, low walk rate, no HR. When the AVG comes down to earth, we’ll look at his stats and yawn. I’m starting to worry about my 2010 OD starter prediction.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
i dont know why anyone is expecting homeruns out of him. he is supposed to be a gap hitting lead off kind of guy
by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions
yeah i mean he isn’t gonna be a homer hitter, would be lucky to hit 15 a year. But his speed, contact and defense is his strength. Other than Heyward what other OF is better than Gorkys in the minors? Unless we can trade package him in for a good young Corner OF i dont really see the purpose of trading Gorkys especially considering LF and RF is a problem for our major league team. I know you can always sign one as a free agent but i would rather keep Gorkys unless we are gettin a good MLB corner OF for him even if he is packaged with others other than that no real reason to attempt to sell high on him.
braves#1
Even then we dont really need to trade Gorkys.
If we get someone for a Corner OF spot i would rather trade Schafer. But im prob the only one who could care less about great defense if the guy does nothing for us in the line up.
by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Couldn’t agree more and some of these posts about trading Gorkys are coming from knowledgeable posters on here. We have absolutely no outfield in the ML level right now and Schafer is starting to look like a 4th outfielder everyday he plays and people on here want to trade Gorkys who could fill a desperate need of the Braves….A legitimate leadoff hitter!
Way too early to call Schafer a fourth OF. He’s less than 1/3 of the way into his rookie year, and I’m already starting to here grumblings about benching him or demoting him. We knew what we were getting into when we skipped him past AAA, but the fact is he’s the best CF we’ve got. The fact is, he’s still not an offensive zero, because of a productive enough OBP, and for an 8-hole hitter you can do a lot worse. And his defense has proven to be very valuable after a slow start.
I can pretty much promise anyone that Blanco would not be playing better than Schafer is. Don’t let the strikeouts fool you, this is still someone that is going to be a key contributor to this franchise in the future.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
Unfortunately, what concerns me is that he can’t catch up to alot of run of the mill 90 mph fastballs right down the pipe. Young hitters could usually hit that and learn to hit the breaking stuff. You’re right, the only reason why he continues to play is because we have no other viable internal options, but my point is don’t trade Gorkys because Schafer is definitely no sure thing.
In addition, don’t want to toot my own horn, but I called for him to go to AAA earlier in the season and have J Anderson play a few months and maybe increase his trade value at the same time.
yeah i mean i dont agree that Schafer is a fourth OF but i heard he has a back injury or somethin that is botherin him. I would like to see Blanco up and Schafer demoted to AAA and let him have 2-4 weeks of gettin healthy then face off against AAA pitchers and see what happens i do believe that would benefit him.
braves#1
Thats another one of my issues with Schafer. The kid has had a bad wrist and a bad back so let them bench you for a couple of weeks and get healthy.
If he sits for a few weeks and gets healthy and comes back playing better i will lay off of him but he needs to man up and sit.
by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not expecting HR
It’s the total non-package that is disturbing—low walk rate, poor SB%, AND no HR. I don’t care if he hits HR, as long as he shows improvement in the leadoff-hitter skillset. And right now, he’s taken a step back in those categories, with no increase in power. That is disturbing. But it’s only two months into the season, and he is still making good contact—he’s not pulling a Failcoeur (f that, I’m sticking with FYF—fewer letters).
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on May 26, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
he isn’t hitting balls the in the gap either. he’s not getting hardly any XBH. I know he isn’t going to hit 20 homers a year, but ONE homer would be nice.
Gorkys has an OPS of .781 while your favorite, Concepcion Rodriguez, has an OPS of .656 and is 1 year older. You really believe Concepcion will ever sniff a major league roster as a starter? It’s not even close. I’m not sure why you guys keep hating on Gorkys.
I dont think that they are hatin on him i think they just want him to do more for a guy of his talents. And he does have a rediculously high BABIP which i doubt will sustain. But I dont care that he doesn’t have the homers i just can care less about that part, i would like to see more XBH’s from the guy cause he is capable of it and the main thing im concerned about is his SB/CS ratio. But this guy is showin what he can do when healthy, and once he walks more, strikes out less and has a better SB/CS ratio then thats when even the people that dont think much of him will open there eyes. This guy will be good its just a matter of this franchise stayin patient with him and hopefully not trading him unless its in the right deal meaning now and future but we gotta realize if we trade him its gotta be for a good young Corner OF even if we have to package him in with others cause he is our second best OF in our entire minors and ONLY legit Leadoff man with his kind of speed also.
braves#1
If Gorkys can put up numbers like Furcal did when he came up, the Braves should be very happy and their need for a leadoff hitter will be taken care of for 5-6 years. A projection of a ML .350 OBP out of Gorkys doesn’t seem far fetched.
The problem is...
Blanco had an OBP of .360+ last year, but with very little power. He also plays very good defense (according to cb and Eddie Perez…sadly, I don’t get to watch many games to judge for myself) and has a substandard SB%. This is the type of player Gorkys is emulating this season, if you subtract the high BA. If you give him the .264 BA from last year, his ops would be .658 (I just took the iso OBP and SLG and added it to his .264 from last year…I might be off in my assumptions). That’s Blanco, and that is scary. I don’t think this will continue, but what if it does?
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Me and Eddie Perez have had a lot of long discussions about Blanco’s D, and we’ve decided it’s pretty alright. Nothing in the class of Schafer or Gorkys, but not too shabby.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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Since you go to as many or more minor league games as anyone here, your opinion carries a lot of weight. Much like Bob Wickman and Chad Paronto…
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
well its because Gorkys is the worst player I’ve ever seen. Obviously you just don’t know anything about baseball.
AND
His favorite person of all-time is Hitler, he eats babies, and hates America.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Probably one of the best comments on here! Check out my new sig!
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
Classic!
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
I don't think anyone is "hating on" Gorkys
Please don’t mistake concern over his development to be hatred. As I stated in another post, his regression in BB% and SB% have not been accompanied by an increase in power. I think he’s the answer to our LF dilemma, but the (seeming) regression in his leadoff hitter skills worries me just a little bit. Doesn’t it worry you, too?
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
I mean honestly lets take batting avg out of the equation here.
He is striking out a lot, he isn’t walking a ton, is hitting the ball with very little authority (something he’s not great at but his rate of XBH is down across the board) and isn’t stealing bases very well.
Sounds like FYF to me.
Now I’m not writing him off, but he hasn’t actually improved any parts of his game in the last few years. Right now he is another one of the Blanco/Anderson types in that he is going to have to post a high BA to be of any value.
Are you really serious? Gorkys similar to FYF??? Besides the obvious fact they play completely different roles on their respective teams. Since you mention walk rate.
Gorkys 7.8% in 4 seasons of professional ball
FYF 4.8% in 5 seasons in ML.
You also mention SB %
Gorkys 76% before this year it was 80%. This yearso far is more of an anamoly.
People on this site look to you for insight in minor league players with your recaps and you fail miserably. Try not being a smartass to people’s comments too since your knowledge is limited in the field.
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
Uh, a walk rate under 8% isn’t something to hang your hat on
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
No it’s not, it’s closer to league average and something for a 21 year old in AA to work on. He’s not in Francoeur territory and the comparison to Francoeur is just plain dumb.
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
you are missing the point. i know the guy has been good in the past, but look at him right now. RIght now his value is tied up in his BA. I never said he sucked. I said his numbers aren’t as good as they appear. And yes I would trade Gorkys if a genuine OF bat become available. Its what the Braves do, they trade prospects for ML ready players.
You’re the one who got played “bro”. How about you stop playing the world of warcraft in your mother’s basement and educate yourself on player’s talent and worth. You really have no business writing up a minor league recap.
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
haha you say the same thing over and over. Who’s the child? Again, absolutely no insight and nothing to add.
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
you see actually whats going on is since my first post I have been playing this game I like to call ‘poke the bear.’ Tell me, do you think its working?
Let me ask you. Can you offer anything of value to this site? Besides your faulty insight and lack of knowledge, which you then back up with dumb smartass remarks, you really are worthless to this site.
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
Probably a good thing for your sake.
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
nah, but “editor” would be a “long shot”.
"Concepcion Rodriguez is still one of my favorite players and has an outside shot to be the guy that mans left field for us in a few years." yondaime4
oh. well thats not so bad then. I would get all my free time back. Maybe actually go to some of the local games. Hmmmm. Maybe I’ll talk to gondeee and see if we can get you promoted.
I bet your boyfriends would like it if you got someone promoted
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
I was thinking son.of.sourman
The comments about having nothing to offer, yada, yada.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
Zeke Spruill
Man, that was a fun game. 12 hits, but 11 were singles. Unfortunately the 12th was a 2-run homer. Casey Kelly for Greenville was filthy – 1 hit (to Luis Sumoza) in six innings, and looked just like Aaron Cook during his shut out. After 14 groundballs I stopped counting when I started walking around.
But yes, the defense was abysmal, and the first two runs should’ve been prevented with adequate defense and an ump not doing their job. Funny how a Low-A game set the tone for the big club that afternoon.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
You got to see Casey Kelly? Man, lucky; he’s been lights out this year. It was kind of funny last year leading up to the draft when I was reading about him and they said he was Pat Kelly, the former Richmond manager’s son and that he played shortstop. When Pat Kelly was with Richmond sometimes you’d see a kid taking infield who looked phenomenal, but you could tell he was really young. After a few times I figured out it was Kelly’s son. So it was a little crazy to be able to say, hey, I watched that 1st rounder take infield when he was 16. I talked to Casey about it in Spring Training and he was amazed I remember. Very nice kid; actually got to talk to him and his brother (a pitcher in the Rays system) on the same day.
And, to keep it on the Braves, Zeke Spruill is the man.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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Don’t question it! I would love to see my roommate pulling his hair out over FYF instead of me.
by Smoltz's Beard on May 26, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
JD Drew is oft-injured and possibly tradeable to a contender, and Francoeur brings another pull-happy bat to combat the Green Monster, and if anything at all, he can be a great big punching bag to funnel all the Boston frustration into when he struggles, and it would be kind of sad and amusing at the same time to see ESPN jump on the hating Frenchy bandwagon too.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
LOL. One of their young stud pitchers for Francoeur? DO IT UP FRANK
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club. PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK! PLEASE COME BACK!
We need to get a bullpen arm from them. Maybe Declarmen?
We don’t need Drew back at all.
I wonder if the Sox are trying to get Escobar as well.
by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Wouldn’t that be ironic – Francoeur, an Atlanta kid traded from Atlanta to Boston for Manny Delcarmen, a Boston kid. The problem is, Delcarmen is actually effective and useful, and the people there still like him, and this trade would never happen, regardless of the talent that Francoeur would be thrown in with.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Yeah, Delcarmen is good…doubt FYF nets him.
by Smoltz's Beard on May 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
yea thats why i say they have to be asking about escobar as well. it cant just be interest in FYF.
by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Can Nick Johnson play RF? We could easily beat that Delcarmen offer. His OBP is over 100 points higher than Frenchy.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on May 26, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Nick Johnson barely runs well enough to play 1B, he’s never gonna be able to handle RF.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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If we are going to get anyone from the Nationals it should be Dunn.
by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
The Sox were willing to give up Delcarmen...
for Nick Johnson. Do you REALLY think we could get him for just Frenchy? Ridiculous.
by MichaelProcton on May 26, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
and....
kansas city is also interested. they have plenty of interesting options: guillien, dejesus, teahan, butler, crisp. the possibilities are endless…
Guillen is just an older more expensive FYF…no thanks.
by Smoltz's Beard on May 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
too bad those FYF and Grienke trades never happened
by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
DeJesus...
would be nice to have in RF but we STILL need a freakin’ power bat to offset this 1930s offense we have.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on May 26, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions
For those with CSS...
Just a friendly reminder that Tommy Hanson’s start tonight will be televised 7 PM ET. So that gives everyone something fun to watch before the big boys come on at 10.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
good call. thanks.
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on May 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions
why?
he supports a great obp, power, and good defense. plus, if boston gets francoeur, someone else will HAVE to play right other than francoeur if jd is injured. even if j.d. drew breaks every bone in his body the first day he’s on the roster, it will be a good trade.
UGH!
Looks like rain tonight in Gwinnett, so we’re staying put. Hopefully, it clears up for tomorrow and I can catch a double-header down there, and see THK.
Either way, the rain is definitely messing up my day, and if they get the game in I’m really gonna be pissed.
Tommy Hanson 4 ROY
Also on the whole Gorkys thing his stats are weirdly identical for April and may with his loss in BB being made up in his higher BA. But his OPS both months is 792 with SLG and OBP that are exactly the same. Also he has the same amount of Ks along with the same SB rate (though with half the attempts and CS in May as compared to April).
Weird
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