Complete Trade Possibility Roundup

by ATLandUNC on May 24, 2009 3:29 AM EDT

I know this has been discussed ad nausem before the calendar even has even reached June, but BEFORE you go straight for the comment button and leave the customary "you're a fag for making a fanpost about trades" comment, take note that I am not trying to simply throw out a single retarded trade possibility, but rather roundup what seems plausible or improbable throughout the league.

For these purposes I took a look at all the teams throughout the league who are already falling behind in their divisions, and then looked at their outfield and power positions to see who might be available. At the end I simply mark whether I think each idea has high/low/moderate chance. Feel free to add ideas or simply mock everything I have written.

*Diamondbacks* - Big one here is obviously Justin Upton. (.313 - 9 HR - 26 RBI). Would LOVE to get this guy, but with his age (21) and talent he is probably untouchable. (low chance)

*Washington* - Adam Dunn. Left field power bat. All that needs to be said. He should have been signed in the offseason, now he will probably be available for trade. (good chance)

*Houston* - Carlos Lee. Big time power bat who is always consistent. He may be too expensive for the Braves to handle.(moderate chance) Hunter Pence? (no way)

*Cleveland* - Only person on their team that remotely fits the bill is Grady Sizemore, and he is doubtful to go anywhere. Would be amazing to see him in a Braves uni. We could have Sizemore and Sizemore lite once Schafer comes around. (low chance)

*Colorado* - Brade Hawpe. He wont blow anyone away, but he is solid and he produces. He may be sold high. (good chance)

*Oakland* - Matt Holliday WILL be traded - somwhere. He is a one-year player and has looked bad outside of Coors, but he could be a great buy-low trade possibility that could even be re-signed after the season. (good chance)

*San Diego* - Adrian Gonzalez. The biggest bat of the bunch, and on a team that is not shy about the fact that they are dumping payroll. Problem is, AG is playing for a ridiculously low salary. The Padres would have to be absolutely blown away to move him. (low/no chance)

*Pittsburgh* - Nate Mclouth. Pittsburgh has a very deep crop of minor league talent coming up, particularly in the OF. The Pirates are continually retooling, and moving Mclouth for more young talent and to make room for Andrew McCutchen in CF may make sense for them. (moderate chance)

*Baltimore* - In terms of OF depth on bad teams, Baltimore takes the cake. Luke Scott is the odd man out and probably easiest to get, but hes not that exciting. If a run was to made for anyone, why not go bold and go after Nick Markakis or Adam Jones? Scott (good chance) Markakis and Jones (in your dreams)

In summary

-Best Chances / Fit

- I Wish

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As much as Holliday procuces in the second half every year he would be nice to have. Dunn makes sense and makes no sense in the same breath some how and his defense is as good as FUGA any day, McClouth would be really nice but his second half numbers haven’t always been so good. Love to see Sizemore but it’s not gonna happen, we have a better shot at Derosa. Lee + way to much. Hawpe is a ? maybe, maybe not more so. Regardless FYF needs his walking papers sooner than later.

Proof that when posting while high or intoxicated can lead to some really funny posts

by bravesrbaseball on May 24, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions

Oh, Bobby.

by sdp on May 24, 2009 1:11 PM EDT reply actions

Do you really want Texas to rape us again.

by That a boy on May 24, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions

You sir are deeply dreaming.

Proof that when posting while high or intoxicated can lead to some really funny posts

by bravesrbaseball on May 24, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions

would they really trade cruz? he is so cheap, and doing very well. him and andruw are an insanely good pair of corner OF for under 1mil.

Druw $500K
21g 69ab 14r 20h 7 2b 0 3b 4hr 12rbi 18bb 15so 1sb 0cs .290 .438 .565 1.003
Cruz $408K
41g 151ab 22r 43h 8 2b 0 3b 11hr 30rbi 13bb 38so 6sb 0cs .285 .337 .556 .894

The guy i wanted in the off season has this line:
39g 141ab 15r 42h 7 2b 1 3b 0hr 16rbi 24bb 17so 15sb 0cs .298 .398 .362 .759

hindsight is 20-13 just like Ted William actual vision- ken tremendous

by heapofoatmeal on May 24, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions

No, they aren't going to trade Cruz.

I’d just love to have him.

Cruz was also on waivers last year. Any team could have had him.

Oh, Bobby.

by sdp on May 24, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions

LOL at Markakis
They just locked the guy up and he is considered one of the best young hitters in the league. Thats more than a pipe dream.

by yondaime4 on May 24, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions

I would love to see the trade scenarios going through Billy Beane’s head right now…

by Smoltz's Beard on May 24, 2009 1:25 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

Probably part genious and part insane

but heck, thats his way of being a gm

by JackofAllTrades on May 24, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Ok

I appreciate that this fanpost was made in terms of its intent. Problem is, you failed to actually include anybody that will actually be traded.

I’m sorry, Justin Upton? are you f*ing kidding me? Nick Markakis? Teams aren’t giving up their top level young talent. To think that they might consider it is really naive.

Guys who would be available, really available. That would be helpful, and worth discussing. Brad Hawpe, Aubrey Huff, Mark DeRosa, Maybe Choo, Holliday. Stick to a realistic list for realistic conversation…

by Andy Braves Fan on May 24, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions

Jair Jurrjens for Adrian Gonzalez

I don’t know if the fathers would do this, I’m going with the Volquez and Herrera for Hamilton swap as a reference. Maybe throw in Frenchy if they want him…

This opens up a trade of Casey Kotchman for a more dependable guy in a corner outfield spot. Maybe even a Kotchman, Gorkys Hernandez, and James Parr for Matt Holliday deal. (either sign him long term or net 2 draft picks).

This creates a lethal line-up to go along with solid rotational depth and a decent bullpen, all while keeping one of the top farm systems in baseball.

Guy #1: Damn, these oysters are going to make us horny as hell...
Girl #2: Oh yeah, I forgot oysters are hermaphrodites.

by bwellnjonesco on May 24, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions

Trade Jair???

Please. He’s great, he’s cheap, and he doesn’t need to go anywhere.

by MichaelProcton on May 24, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I'd be down to get rid of a Boras client...

Especially, if we get an equally great hitter…

Guy #1: Damn, these oysters are going to make us horny as hell...
Girl #2: Oh yeah, I forgot oysters are hermaphrodites.

by bwellnjonesco on May 24, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions

Well we dont have to worry about Boras for another 4 years(unless we wanna sign him to an extension before then) so it doesn’t matter i mean we signed Lowe which is a Boras client so its ok. No reason to sit there and trade a stud pitcher like Jurrjens you build your staff around him not trade him. And as great of a hitter Gonzalez is we have Kotchman who is gettin the job done and he is young so First is NOT A PROBLEM FOLKS, please get that through your heads.

braves#1

by rockybull on May 24, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions

The foolish part about that is trading Kotchman and Hernandez for a rental. Kotchman is hitting great right now especially once bobby finally realized he belonged in the #2 hole. He is not our problem. Our problem is Left Field

by drumzalicious on May 24, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

and RF.

braves#1

by rockybull on May 24, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions

Agree that first base is not THE current problem. If Kotchman is the long term solution for the Braves at this position,then why wouldnt the Braves put an outfielders’s glove on Freeman now? Just a thought.

by mikie baseball on May 26, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions

Not Gorkys....won't happen

Adrian Gonzalez is one of the cheapest, most underrated stars the major leagues. Given his current contract, I can’t see any reason the Padres would entertain trading him. No matter how badly the Padres may want to dump salary, there simply isn’t any reason to continue to exist as a major league franchise if it comes to dumping one of the best young power hitters in baseball to save $3-4 million/year. That just isn’t credible.

IMO Kotchman is a nice and inexpensive bridge to Freddie Freeman. Currently, Kotchman leads the Braves in RBIs, and is one of the best defensive corner infielders in the NL. He’s making $2.8 million. I think they keep Kotchman and continue to develop Freeman.

It’s interesting to see how fans seem to think about trades in terms of what the Braves and other teams might be willing to do. The idea of trading Jurrjens in return for a hitter has been floated in public by some credible people. It could be done, but I can’t see it. The club controls Jurrjens for four more years. He’s just beginning to blossom as an NL star. Trading him now would constitute a desparate act of undervaluation, and I think their rotation would look a whole lot weaker without him. (Imagine Vazquez as #2 instead of #3.) At some point, it’s obvious that the Braves are going to deal pitching to obtain hitting, but Hanson and Jurrjens are the last two pitchers I would deal if I was Wren.

When Braves fans start talking trade, the name of Gorkys Hernandez often seems to come up as some kind of a throw-in. I don’t understand this. Gorkys is the only legitimate leadoff hitter with a major league performance ceiling in the entire organization right now, and a legitimate leadoff hitter is one of the Braves’ most obvious needs. There is a very good reason the Braves can’t score runs….they almost never have ducks on the pond when the middle of their batting order comes up. I do not see Gorkys getting traded, and I think it would be very short-sighted to do so.

by Messenger on May 25, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Imagine Gorkys and Schafer as your 1 and 2 hitters but there is only 1 center field though.

by That a boy on May 25, 2009 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

that a boy

but why not have Gorkys playin LF? Braves likes good defensive players and he would be one of the best if not the best LF in the game as far as defense goes. Now he wont have the power as the protypical LF will have but i think he will get by especially with his speed, leadoff skills and good contact.

braves#1

by rockybull on May 25, 2009 8:50 PM EDT up reply actions

I’ve said it before that if the Schafer doesn’t turn it around i wouldnt mind seeing him sat for Gorkys. All the stats i have read talking about their DEF in the minors has Gorkys being a better defender than Schafer. Also having better speed and more suited for the lead off role.

I mean yea Schafer is great to watch make some plays but i just wish we could pinch hit for him every time he comes up because he is either going to K or GIDP.

It’s like FYF last year except Left handed

by drumzalicious on May 25, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions

He’s Vidro’d twice this season. Logic fail.

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by bigjoe on May 25, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions

Both will play

IMO, Gorkys will lead off and play LF by the second half of 2010, if not sooner than that. I think Schafer probably keeps the CF job, but I’m not sure where he will hit in the lineup next season.

by Messenger on May 26, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions

I agree with your well written, well thought out posting except for the reason that acquiring Adrian Gonazalez is not credible.That fact that he is one of the cheapest ,most underrated stars,is the reason he should be sought after. He will make 4.75mil in 2010 and the club has a 5.5mil option in 2011.So he does become a bit more expensive going forward for the new ownership. In addition, their number one offensive prospect ,Blanks, is a cheaper alternative to Adrian on a pure cost basis. Therefore, if the Padres were really in a rebuilding mode, and could acquire some high quality young pitching prospects, it is not unthinkable as your claim. The real reason it becomes difficult is his desire to stay near his family in San Diego, thus willing to play for less than market value going forward,though he has no ,no trade clause in his contract.

by mikie baseball on May 26, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I think that the Braves will make a trade for a bat this year but it won’t be for anyone big. They will go out and get someone who is just a steady hitter. You can rule out any big name veterans right now because we don’t have the money to get them.

by jack dein on May 24, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions

Very true

You make a lot of sense

by Messenger on May 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Good Stuff

But really, Nick Markaikas? The Orioles won’t trade him

by JackofAllTrades on May 24, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions

LOOK I JUST WENT DOWN ALL THE TEAMS DEPTH CHART!!!!!!! I know you had good intentions but you basically did this with no facts or references to back it up.

Marlins
Jorge Cantu
Dan Uggla

Brewers
Hart
Cameron
Braun via Peavy trade and serious prospects (no chance but I’d ask just in case)

Cardinals
If you don’t know who then you haven’t been around

Nationals
Nick Johnson
L Milliedege
Kearns
Dukes
Dunn
Willingham

Diamondbacks
Byrnes
Young

Dodgers
Pierre
Eithier

Rangers
Cruz (sell at high point for good pitching)
A Jones

Twins
Delmon Young

Royals
Guillen

Tigers
Maggs

South Side
Everyone is up for sale

Clevland
Choo
Derosa

Blue Jays
Vernon Wells
Alex Rios(would be perfect but this is just me liking it)

Rays
Crawford
Joyce
Burrell

Boston
Baldelli

by Charmin519 on May 24, 2009 7:45 PM EDT reply actions

Well done

Exactly the point of my post, but I didn’t have time to do the research.

Guys I would look at: Choo (unlikely, but certainly possible), A. Jones, Willingham, and Delmon. These are guys who are signed on the cheap and fit the description of the kind of bat we need. Andruw may be a bit presumptive on his abilities, he may not be the answer. Willingham would be interesting in a full time role. Delmon isn’t the power bat, but he has a lot of skill. Unlike Frenchy, he seems close to realizing his potential soon. Choo would be awesome, but will take more to get. Since Cleveland needs young starters (which the Braves can provide), and Cleveland has a logjam in the outfield, it may be possible.

by Andy Braves Fan on May 24, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions

Bad track record with Cleveland

I would be afraid to trade with them…from a history stand point our trades with them have been a disaster…(remember Barker) . The trades with the Cubs, Pirates, Detroit on the other hand have been very nice!

by bravestatoo on May 25, 2009 3:32 AM EDT reply actions

History shouldn't factor

Braves have to go where the Bats are. Cleveland and Atlanta match up well. Frank Wren is a good GM, he will keep our top prospects safe.

by Andy Braves Fan on May 25, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions

Why would you mention Barker and not Justice? Srsly

by bigjoe on May 25, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions

http://www.talkingchop.com/2009/5/24/884959/read-this-before-you-fanpost

I guess people are just ignoring this post. Players not available Cruz, Braun, Crawford, Either, and very doubtful of Rios, and Cantu as well. GM’s are not going to just up and trade away good young players with power. These trade proposals are to funny.

by That a boy on May 25, 2009 12:38 PM EDT reply actions

yeah i mean its just like other fans from other teams sayin lets trade for Escobar or McCann or Jurrjens and give up prospects lol same thing. It is too funny.

braves#1

by rockybull on May 25, 2009 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I would say Cantu is available but Uggla is the piece they want to move most.

Bruan- ur right
Crawford- I’ll tell you in July. He’s got a 10 million option this year and is worth some pieces. If they drop from the race I can see them making some moves for 2010 and there are quite a few teams that would love crawford (mets?). The rays got some decent OF youth to start giving AB’s if they let him go.
Rios- No idea and doubtful
Either- Not till the off season
Cruz- depends on the pitcher you offer them.

by Charmin519 on May 25, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions

What we really need is a Right Handed bat that has the potential to hit in the #3 Spot. For that reason we need to go after Mark DeRosa. From there we need to re-sign the guy to a 2-3 year contract this offseason.

The guy is well rounded and is capable of hitting for power and average and would be a definite upgrade over Garrett Anderson in LF.

by drumzalicious on May 25, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions

Why not Randy Winn? I think he would fit very good with the Braves in RF or LF but hey just my opinion.

braves#1

by rockybull on May 25, 2009 11:36 PM EDT reply actions

The problem is the Giants are trying to contend and trying to add a bat.

Whats funny is i could see them going after Dunn from the Nationals.

Something like Sanchez + Minor League arm for Dunn

by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions

but by July will the Giants still be contending? maybe? maybe not? we will see.

braves#1

by rockybull on May 26, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions

If they get a batter like Dunn they will be contending. They have some solid Pitching with Lincecum, Cain, and Randy Johnson at the top. after that its a question mark but they could still get it done.

by drumzalicious on May 26, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions