Brad Hawpe?
by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 9:36 AM EDT
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I know, I know... every time you rosterbate, God kills a kitten. Well, good thing that I'm a dog person instead! Seriously though, with all the talk of bringing in offensive reinforcements via trade, I can't believe that the conversation has not focused on Brad Hawpe.
Now, I'm not sure that the Rockies would trade the burgeoning star that's currently manning RF for them; and even if they do, I have my concerns about what Colorado might require in order to let him go. That said, I think he'd be worth a healthy package in return.
This is his Age 30 season (turns in June), but his stats seem to indicate that he's not in decline (this is shaping up to be his best year with a 1.031 OPS). Moreover, his splits show that he's not a Coors Field mirage (.895 OPS on the road this year and .889 in 2006-2008) unlike his more celebrated former teammate who is predicatably underwhelming in his new home. He has a favorable contract ($5.5M in '09, $7.5M in '10 and a $10M team option with a $500K buyout in '11) and the versatility to play either outfield corner (something we could use and may need). What's not to like???
Now, I won't speculate too much as to what we might have to give up to get him because I honestly don't know. What I can say is that proposals with Jo-Jo Reyes, Kenshin Kawakami or Jeff Francouer are patently ridiculous and I would hope that people don't waste anyone's time with them in the comments. The same goes for more expensive vets, even if they're performing well, because such a deal would mean that the Rox are fully commiting to rebuilding. Maybe something like Medlen OR Morton and Brandon Jones...
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Love to see that happen
Hawpe is great. Rox need young pitching, Braves have that to offer. Morton may be the price, along with a lower tier prospect (Brandon Jones certainly comes to mind). I would make that move if I were Frank Wren. I am not sure if the Rox would make that move.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 20, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.
Morton and B. Jones for Hawpe is a deal I make in a heartbeat, so I doubt it’s actually fair. I don’t know what I’d be willing to give up, but I have to think it’d take more than that to make such a trade happen…
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They know they should be attempting to trade Hawpe at his peak value right now...
Not a bad start, but they wouldn’t accept just Morton/Medlen and BJones this…
I bet they would want Freddy Freeman as the centerpiece. Just to be objective, they would probably demand something like this:
1st-Freddy Freeman, UTL-Martin Prado (for them, 2nd base), LHP-Jeff Locke, and RHP-Richard Sullivan.
Those names could change, but IMO the Rockies will most likely want a high ceiling young 1st baseman and pitcher, a young 2nd baseman, and a lower level pitcher.
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by bwellnjonesco on May 20, 2009 10:08 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that
I don’t think there is any delusion on the Rockies part that they can rape the Braves farm system for a 30 year old outfielder who just learned to hit lefties this year. He has always been good, but the Kevin Towers couldn’t get that package for Jake Peavy…
Young pitching yes, maybe they want another prospect in the lower minors as well as a Morton and B-Jones, but there is no way they could legitimately demand Locke, Freeman, Prado, And Sullivan. There is also no way Frank Wren would make that deal.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 20, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said
I could see the Rockies looking for a similar package as the Cards were asking for Ludwick. Hawpe is a better bet than Ludwick because he has been good for a while, not just a 1 year track record. That would mean KJ + Morton. With Prado hitting so well and showing that last year wasn’t all fluke, I could almost see making that deal.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 20, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Two Solid Pieces.
I think you’re getting there when you think it may take two solid trade chips on our part to get a deal done. Again, I just brought up a name and made the case in favor, but I’m not 100% sold on the idea myself. Maybe I should reach out to some Rox fans to see what they’d want for Hawpe…
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Giving up a utility player, and three low level prospects is a pretty good deal for a highly productive outfielder with almost 3 years of control. Freeman looks great, but he isn’t a sure thing, which makes his value lower than what we as fans think. Raking in A ball is not the same as raking at AA ball. The same with Locke and Sullivan, their higher chances of failure decreases their value.
To your points. In no particular order!!!
1. KJ and Morton is what was rumored that the Braves were offering based on the Cardinal’s needs. I never read that the Cardinals offered Ludwick for KJ+Morton and the Braves refused it.
2. Towers couldn’t get the deal done because we refused to trade the player he adamently demanded (Hanson). Also, other teams aren’t going to feel bad for us losing so much in the Tex deal. We might be a tad more conservative in dealing prospects, but other teams won’t slack off their demands. Also, Colorado got ripped by everyone for getting too less for Holliday last year, so they might be looking for more.
3. Brandon Jones and Charlie Morton for Brad Hawpe…Hawpes value is pretty damn high right now. He is in the middle of his prime, doesn’t have any glaring weaknesses, and is locked up for cheap. Jones and Morton equals that?? I might expect picking up an average relief pitcher for BJones, but not much else. He is a 4th outfielder at best right now, a possible .250-.275 hitter that doesn’t hit homers or steal bases. Charlie Morton is still more potential than MLB starter. 6.15ERA and 41BB:48K in 74IP on his MLB resume so far. He looks like he has the stuff, but certainly isn’t a centerpiece in a trade for a very valuable hitter. KJ and Morton is closer to a deal, but I still don’t think it will do it.
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by bwellnjonesco on May 20, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IN his prime?
He is 30. His prime was 2 years ago. He just finally started to hit Lefties. He plays in Colorado. He isn’t great on Defense.
Don’t get me wrong, I like the guy, I would want him on the Braves, but really? We aren’t talking about Grady Sizemore…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 21, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait
actually a players prime is 28-32 so yeah he is in his prime right now.
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by rockybull on May 21, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not an authority...
but I always thought of a players prime as 27-30/31. Either way, he still isn’t a Grady Sizemore, still has inflated stats in Colorado, still isn’t very good defensively, and still only just learned how to hit lefties. Thus, while my first reaction of Morton and B. Jones wouldn’t get the job done, a package of Freeman, Prado, Locke, and Sullivan is way too much. My second proposal of KJ and Morton seems more reasonable for both sides.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 21, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
inflated stats in colorado
Moreover, his splits show that he’s not a Coors Field mirage (.895 OPS on the road this year and .889 in 2006-2008) unlike his more celebrated former teammate who is predicatably underwhelming in his new home
did you look at his home/away splits?
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by justincredubil02 on May 21, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Grady Sizemore is def not getting traded anytime soon.
by drumzalicious on May 21, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawpe’s value should be less than Ludwick’s because of his poor defense, Coors, and I think he costs slightly more (with similar number of team control years).
Does anyone remember what the Braves were offering for Swisher? At the time, Swisher was less valuable than he is now so I think whatever the Braves offered than is probably around Hawpe’s value. Or at least somewhere between bad Swisher and Ludwick.
by VictorW on May 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Little Heavy?
I agree that Morton and B. Jones would be light, but your proposal (Freeman, Locke, Prado and Sullivan?) is certainly too heavy. I think they can get one top prospect and change, but we’re in no position to give up hitters and I think they’d want pitchers. Medlen or one of the high upside arms at the lower levels seems like a must and I’m not sure I’m comfortable with that…
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career Numbers
Vs. RHP .295/.391/.513/.904
Vs. LHP .246/.316/.441/.757
His numbers this year have been boosted by the fact that his OPS is over 240 points higher at home than on the road. Also, I know he has a pretty good arm, but I’ve heard his defense is dreadful.
I’m not saying I’m against the idea of trading for him, in fact I’ve always liked him as a player, but I just want to make sure you realize that you aren’t getting a “burgeoning star” like you think. I mean, the guy will be 30 next month.
He’s a useful player, possibly in a platoon situation in LF or something, and is better than anything we’re running out to our corner outfield spots right now…but let’s stop and think before we go offering one of our premier prospects for the guy.
by Uninvited on May 20, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Hawpe’s not perfect, but those guys aren’t available for trade to begin with, so let’s keep that in mind. And forget about career numbers, because they are rarely relevant. The guy is hitting lefties at a .923 OPS clip this year, so hopefully he’s figured something out. His road OPS would rank 12th among all NL OF overall (in other words, we’re ignoring park factor for everyone else involved), so while he’s ungodly at home, he’s still rock solid on the road. He looks likely to be a worthy All-Star this season, what I believe would be a first for him, which is what I meant by burgeoning star. As for his age, not all players have the same career path; some peak later and have less radical slopes.
Like I said, I have no idea what the Rox would need to let him go. He’s a valuable commodity in today’s market any way you slice it. He’s proven, improving and locked up for cheap. I’d love to think that Morton and B. Jones (or something along those lines) could get it done, but I think that may well be naive. Just out of curiousity, what would you be willing to trade for a guy like him and are there others you’d prefer to target?
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Forget about career numbers, because they are rarely relevant”?
I’m not sure I can agree with this statement…
by Uninvited on May 20, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I say all that and that’s the only thing you care to comment on? On a more serious note, I look at three year splits weighted toward the current year whenever possible. Why care about anything that happened more than 3-4 years ago anyway, unless there are special circumstances?
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We are probably going to have to match salaries with them, we don’t have much room for spending. I think Kawakami might have to be in the deal. I don’t know what kind of money Kelly Johnson is making, but I don’t think it is around 8Mil, could be wrong. I think we do need someone that we can solidly rely on out there, since the 4 we have out there right now are not able to rely on. Haywood will be in left or right in the future, hopfully Frenchy will figure it out and be in right. Im not completely sold on Schafer yet. I Juan Pierre type center feilder would solve a lot of problems, Im not saying Juan Pierre, just someone that can get on base, steal bases, and play a good center field
by wcubmac on May 20, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haywood will be in left or right in the future
Clu Haywood from Major League? That guy was awesome, except for when Ricky Vaughn struck him out on three straight.
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by TradeAndruw on May 20, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Juan Pierre will not solve any problems, nor will anyone else in the same vein.
by Smoltz's Beard on May 20, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what about C. Patterson?
I just heard that he is kinda fast and all….
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by bwellnjonesco on May 20, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t think I didn’t think of you when responding to his post, haha
by Smoltz's Beard on May 20, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
More than Just this year...
To look and resolve our OF production for the next 2-3 years before Heyward/Gorkys/Cjohnson are able to be MLers. Hawpe could be had for what price? I am sure the Roks would want more than a projected #2-4 SP and 4th OFer for guy that might be an All-Star this year. The Braves will have to unload some prized prospects in order to get a cheap younger proven powerbat since they don’t grow trees and this team is in dire need of. The rest of Baseball can see we have a need for a powerbat and they will not give up anything unless than several Top tier prospects in return. Also we have no impact OF RH power bats in the systems till atleast 11’ (Assuming that Cjohnson Pans Out). And what are the chances that we are able to out bid the Yanks/Boston for guys like Holliday/Bay are slim to none next year. Need to Invest now, In order to have that powerguy that fits in the budget we will have than pay in prospects. There no way around it will have to pay the price to get a #4/5 hole hitter that is RH. Hawpe would be nice pick up but again we would still need a RH OF somewhere that is not named FYF with some power to produce LF/RF league average for this team to win ballgames in the future. This team is two bats away from being a serious team to contend. Hawpe could one bat but still a RH bat somewhere in this LH heavy lineup in 10’ and 11’ is greatly needed.
by Hanson-Ace on May 20, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK...
So, you like Hawpe but think he’s going to cost too much in terms of prospects and you think we should focus on acquiring a RH power bat instead? You tell me what RH power bat equivalent to Hawpe in terms of production, age and contract might be available and what that may cost.
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
To a point yes we need a RH Corner OF powerbat in this heavy LH lineup with all of our hitting propsects coming up the next few years are all LH outside of a CJohnson. Need some balance in the lineup with power which IMO we are in a tough position since they are really are not any good options that teams are willing to trade that are RH OF powerbat. So the braves may have to go outside the box and find that RH Bat in a Victor Martinez type that can play 1B and than go get the best power/OF that can be either LH or RH like a Hawpe. But we have to be realistic here in that if we really want a power hitter than be better prepared to let some prospects go or pay the $$ on the established guys like Lee/Mags which could be salary dump traded that we could get much cheaper than Hawpe/Cruz/Ludwick/V-Mart for.
by Hanson-Ace on May 20, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cody Johnson is a left handed hitter. Not sure if I read what you wrote correctly, but it seemed like you implied he’s right handed.
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by cbwilk on May 20, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Theres no way in hell the rockies would do Hawpe for Morton and BJones. Im thinking it would take something like Medlen and Cody Johnson. The rockies already have outfielders on the team who can do what bjones does (hit singles, decent defense). I really doubt they want Morton. They would much rather have a younger, more potential kid like Medlen along with CJ, who hits for a lot of power, something the rockies dont have much of.
I think Medlen and CJ for Hawpe would do wonders for both sides. Imagine Cody at Coors field. Can you say 25+ homers?
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 3:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would hate to give up Cody he’s our Baby Dunn lol
by drumzalicious on May 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i would too
but if you want a guy like Hawpe, who plays great defense and is good for a .280+avg, 25hrs, 100rbi and a few steals every season, its going to take a lot. Any one know Hawpe’s contract info?
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hawpe actually plays miserable defense. His UZR Range has been at least -10 since 2005 and his arm has only ever been better than average once (2006).
by 17843 on May 20, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
i coulda swore he was ALOT better than that.
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He is not that mobile, but he has a Francoeur-esque arm
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by nick9314 on May 20, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So he is perfect for left field
by drumzalicious on May 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe Hawpe is signed thru 2010 for $13 mil
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by bravesguy311 on May 20, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
Medlen and Cody Johnson for Hawpe; would you do it? I’d at least think about it…
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing i worry about with CJ is he doesn’t walk much. Adam Dunn has a terrific eye at the plate. That’s why he’s so valuable. Sure he’ll only hit .250 every year with his 40hrs, but his obp is like .400.
Until Cody learns to walk, i think we should really consider trading him while he’s hot.
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would actually do that in a heartbeat. We had a lot of good young pitchers, so I think we could absorb the loss of Medlen, and, as much as I defend/support him, Cody is a 20 year old in A ball, there’s a huge chance he fails.
Seriously though, could you imagine Cody Johnson playing half his games in Coors? First guy to hit 100 home runs…in a month.
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by cbwilk on May 20, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats what im saying
if the rockies are smart they would build up a dicknasty lineup and try to get by on decent pitching (the numbers on the guys they have this year arent terrible outside of the W-L). CJ would RAKE in Coors if he ever got there.
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No way that trade happens...
Unless Medlen pitches a couple of perfect games for us…
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by bwellnjonesco on May 20, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i believe the trade would have to be pitching oriented with BJones as maybe a throw in.
Prob something like Morton, Locke, and Brandon Jones. they get a MLB ready pitcher they get a young one they can control and then they get an OF. Possibly replace Brandon Jones with Luis Sumoza someone like Cody Johson with a higher average
by drumzalicious on May 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting....
Adding a high upside lower level arm to the Morton and B. Jones deal makes sense. Still don’t know if that’s enough, though…
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only way we should give up Medlen is if we are getting Houston Street Back
by drumzalicious on May 20, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how about somethin like this?
Cody Johnson, Charlie Morton/JoJo Reyes, Brandon Jones and Randall Delgado for Hawpe?
Ok Brandon Jones is like a throw in it gives them a RF to replace Hawpe now, Morton or Reyes can start for them now, Delgado is the young pitching spec they could develop. Delgado has tons of ability and it could bite us in the future but i would do that though. Cody Johnson i think would really intrigue the Rockies front office. The think is he could be a good player or a bust. He has very very very high trade upside now but if he gets to AA next year and he flops and cant handle it there goes ALL of his trade value down the drain and we would be lucky to get a 40 year old reliever for him lol. BUT the thing is Johnson has the ability if he produces in AA and hits the cover off the ball next year to open even reluctant GM’s eyes and could get more for him. Its one of those things where you think im glad im not the GM cause its very tough to make these deals. Im not sure if the Rockies would do this deal but i wouldn’t be surprised if they did though. I guess it depends if Cody intrigues them enough.
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by rockybull on May 20, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just thought about this
what if we traded Freddie Freeman and and a lesser pitching prospect to the rockies? Helton is signed for 2 more years so when his deal was finished, Freeman would be ready
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 4:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
I think Freeman is in that untouchable group, but I may be mistaken about that. Besides, I’m not sure about their system or whether they’d want him.
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by ejruiz on May 20, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he could be
and im not sure i would wanna trade Freeman anyway. just an idea i had.
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My comment up top is about trading Freeman...
I think thats what it would take (along with others too)…
BTW, hes not part of the official untradables (Heyward, Hanson, and Teheran), but I think he is on the unofficial list (which IDK what the fuck is).
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by bwellnjonesco on May 20, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who is this Teheran fellow?
i’ve never even seen a picture of the kid…and everyone says he’s untouchable? Who is he?
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by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s in the same league of Gods as Pujols, but he never played on the same team as Adam LaRoche…his body is too young to control his powers at this point, so we must wait.
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by bwellnjonesco on May 20, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cant Trade Teheran
All his value is based on projection and scouting at this point. I would let him atleast pitch for a whole year till either his value will go up because his performance or find out what he can do when he is healthy. This kid needs some time to pitch first before we unload him. Be crazy to trade him now when his value could be much high next year this time. Plus this guy is just a kid…
by Hanson-Ace on May 20, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wren already said he wouldn’t trade Teheran, thats what we were just talking about…
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by bwellnjonesco on May 20, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is Julio Teheran:
He’s an 18 year old right handed pitcher from Columbia that the Braves signed in 2007. At the time he was considered the top international player available and the equivalent of a high 1st round draft pick. Prior to the 2008 season, before he’d ever thrown a professional pitch, Baseball America had him rated as the Braves’ 10th best prospect, and prior to this season, they rated him higher, 8th best in the system, despite injuries limiting him to just 15 unspectacular innings for Danville in 2008.
He has a top notch fastball and changeup to go along with a developing curve. The Braves are taking things slow with him, and given his age they are certainly able to. He’s one of the best prospects we have and within a few years the buzz around him will probably be pretty comparable to what’s surrounding Neftali Feliz right now, though hopefully he’ll still be with the Braves.
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by cbwilk on May 20, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds good to me
dont trade him. however, i get the feeling that if we trade him, he’ll be an ace for 15 years. if we hold on to him, he’ll never be more than a reliever.
"Jason Heyward might be the best offensive prospect i've seen in fifteen years. His game is solid. I would trade any of the current players we have on our 25 man roster for Heyward. He's that good." - NL Scout.
by mvhsbball on May 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He looks like he is 10 years old!
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by mvandonsel on May 20, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another Rox
Atkins seems to be having a down year…3b/1b…his two previous years he had 20 plus HRs…I see a packaged deal involving Kotch (who’s stock has got to be rising). Atkins plants at 1B for awhile…and spells DL/rest time for Chipper. Not knowing why his numbers are down (much like FYF?) and how many of the 96 (career) dings are Coor’s giveme’s? If Hawpe is the target then my concern is who do we get in addition…The player to be named later….has to be someone that addresses a need not just a extra body to cloud the future…..I will put my vote in now…don’t raid the farm..unless you have too…ie need another lead-off hitter.
by bravestatoo on May 21, 2009 6:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so obsessed with trading for someone we clearly can’t afford?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on May 21, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why is everyone so obsessed with trading one of the best hitters on our team (Kotchman)
Him in the #2 Hole is where he belongs and needs to stay.
by drumzalicious on May 21, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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