The Matter of Tim Hudson
Tim Hudson holds a special place in most Braves' fans hearts. He was acquired from Oakland in the winter of 2004 for Charles Thomas, who burst onto the scene in 2004 and gave the Braves a solid left field platoon with Eli Marrero and Dewayne Wise, Juan Cruz, who was a bright spot in a bullpen of retreads (and John Smoltz), and top prospect Dan Meyer, who is coming into his own...as a reliever...4 years after the trade. It ended up being a pittance for Hudson, who would serve as the Braves #2 behind John Smoltz, who was hopping back into the rotation. Hudson was nearly immediately given a 4 year contract extension with an option for 2010. Hudson's first season in Atlanta was adequate, as he posted numbers a little above the league average, but below his career numbers. Despite the mild disappointment of Hudson, the Braves still scraped and clawed their way to 90 wins, and an improbable division title, the final one in THE STREAK.
The 2006 season was a mess from the word go, and Hudson was a reason why, posting an ERA of nearly 5 with a FIP of 4.55. All of his other "bad" peripherals increased, while the "good" ones stayed constant or decreased. Of course, Hudson wasn't the only one to blame in this mess (the main culprit was probably the quintet of Davies, Thomson, Sosa, Cormier and Ramirez getting 65 starts), but he was a factor. A year into the contract, it looked like a mistake.
2007 rolled along, and Hudson rebounded to a great degree. His FIP was 3.46, just a fraction away from his career low. Hudson definitely wasn't to blame this time around...yet again, the issue was the rest of the rotation (minus Smoltz, and James to an extent). The bullpen was a horrorshow except for Moylan and Soriano. Hudson started the 2007 season with 9 (yes, NINE) straight quality starts, pitching in 7 or more innings in all but one, and the combination of the bullpen and his offense only gave him 5 wins. I'm sure we all remember the Santana vs Hudson duel in June, where Hudson and Soriano combined to allow 3 baserunners in 8 innings, only for THE WICK MAN to allow 4 in 1/3 of an inning to end the game. Depressing times.
After the success of 2007, we all expected big things from Tim in 2008. By the end of July, he had a FIP right around his career average, and the second lowest WHIP of his career. But I'll remember the night of July 23rd like it was yesterday. Hudson was dominating the Marlins through 6 innings, and then got pulled after throwing only 68 pitches. The Braves were up 5-0 at the time and looked to be in the zone offensively, so we figured it was just something to save his arm. Then the report came across the air that he had some forearm tightness. Hudson assumed it was because he was throwing more splitters. Then a couple days later...the news dropped. The 2 words we didn't wanna hear...we heard. "Tommy. John" It was a crushing blow to the season. The Braves were in 4th place, but only 6 games out. John Smoltz was already out for the season, but Hudson too? We all knew it was over. 6 days later, Mark Teixeira was sent to the Angels. Jojo Reyes, Charlie Morton, and Mike Hampton fell apart behind Jair Jurrjens and Jorge Campillo. The Braves lost 90 games, and the lack of Hudson was a primary reason why.
So now, 2009 is upon us. Hudson is recovering from his Tommy John, and is scheduled to throw off a mound this week. With some luck, he could be pitching again by August. Theres only one problem. The rotation is full. Frank Wren went on a spending spree this offseason, acquiring Derek Lowe, Javier Vazquez, and Kenshin Kawakami to pitch alongside Jair Jurrjens and the rotating number 5 spot, about to be occupied by Kris Medlen. Tom Glavine is also on his way back, and could conceivably be ready to be pitching in mid-June, which would necessitate a move, likely the demotion of Medlen. But when Hudson comes back, assuming no one else gets hurt, what do you do? Lowe, Vazquez and Jurrjens have been absolute dynamite this season and won't be going anywhere. Kawakami has had some rough starts, but has his moments. The 5 spot however, has been an absolute disaster. If Medlen or Glavine can't hold down the fort, you would imagine that Hudson would slot into that role. But what if his arm strength isn't fully back? The bullpen, which has been much maligned this week, would be his likely landing spot.
And then, the 2010 option comes to the forefront. The Braves have said they plan on exercising the option, and it is doubtful Hudson would choose to opt out, since there is next to no way he could get as much money on the market as the option would give him. For Hudson to be in the rotation in 2010, a move will need to be made. The 5 spot in the rotation will likely be occupied by uber-prospect Tommy Hanson. Medlen will most likely either be traded or slotted into the bullpen. The other 4 members of the rotation are all under contract or control in 2010. What can the Braves do to give Tim Hudson a spot? It is unlikely that Lowe or Kawakami will be traded, due to their contracts. An idea being pitched around the blog lately is the trading of Jair Jurrjens, which seems laughable at first, but makes sense the more you think about it. I believe that it is unlikely that Jurrjens will be moved, though. That leaves the journeyman Javier Vazquez as the odd man out. Vazquez is posting the best numbers of his career this season, and could result in a key prospect or two in a trade. However, do the Braves feel that Hudson can provide production similar as to what Vazquez is doing this year? Another option is to move Kenshin Kawakami to the bullpen to take advantage of him not being used to pitching in a 5 man rotation. The Braves' decision about the Hudson situation is an interesting storyline to keep an eye on over the remainder of 2009 and into 2010.
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Move that Ken K dude to the bullpen
He struggles after 4 innings.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The only bad thing with that is the fact that he would be the most expensive LOOGY in the MLB.
- I miss Spooneybarger :(
by Mighty Healthy on May 19, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Things could change. He was taking names in spring training, then he started getting into trouble
We’ve got pitching up the ass, him being expensive makes that a moot point, imo
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BIG FAIL
KK is righthanded pitcher which I don’t think there is term of ROOGY plus he might actually could be decent closer/setupman for one inning if he makes the adjustments and keep his K/BB rate down.
by Hanson-Ace on May 19, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A Japanese Lefty-Only-Out-GuY is sometimes called a ROOGY
by Euruproktos on May 19, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I disagree with that, I think it is just the opposite, he seems to give up runs early and then pitch well. Putting him in the pen seems like the worst option for KK.
by MatM on May 19, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i’ve never like the idea that if you’re not good enough to be in the rotation you automatically belong in the pen. i’m sure managers have their reasons, but i don’t see why you would ever want to run a guy out there you’re not sure about, especially in late-game situations.
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by Bravely going forward on May 19, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This all really depends on what kinda of physical shape Huddy is in. Will he be able to handle being put into the starting rotation again? Will he still be as effective in the bullpen?
Everyone knows we have great arms coming up, and great arms in the rotation.
Just looking at the financial aspect of this situation, I dont believe the Braves can afford to keep both Vasquez and Hudson. Both getting approx $11mil next season i believe. However, the Braves and Huddy may be able to iron out a more team friendly contract, especially if Hudson is going to pitch out of the bullpen.
If the Braves trade JJ, they are dummies. Plain and simple. The kid is amazing, and cheap, and growing and learning as a pitcher, and could be a fixture in the rotation for years to come.
Bottom line, Huddy still has a ways to go, but this is certainly a good problem to have
by bravesguy311 on May 19, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They’re actually both getting the same amount of money this year
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Injury
I’m one of the few guys who voted to trade JJ, and it’s not because he’s not a very good young pitcher.
Based on his mechanics/frame, some experts (Sickels, for one) view JJ as a severe injury risk. If true, why not sell him at maximum value?
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by Yakker on May 19, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha. the one vote to move Jurrjens.....
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Guilty as charged. But I’m all about selling high. Young pitchers get hurt, and especially young pitchers who have JJ’s mechanics (I’m not a biomechanics guy, but this is what people are saying).
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by Yakker on May 19, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What would you want back hypothetically?
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on May 19, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A good young pitcher with tons of time left on his clock…I’d expect quite a bit back. Matt Garza for Delmon is probably the closest trade comparable, but that hasn’t worked out very well for Minnesota (so far).
Maybe someone like Hunter Pence, if he’d even be available. Perhaps Prince Fielder if MIL needs to move him. Guys like that, although I have no idea what kind of market there is out there for JJ.
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by Yakker on May 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind trading him assuming we got quite a nice haul in return…if its for a low-800 OPS corner OF, I’ll pass
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Worried about Jurrjens mechanics? The kid is sound.
Are you getting him confused with that dude out in Frisco? lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing wong with Lincecum either.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on May 19, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hypothetically, "sure"
But if we’re talking about mechanics here, JJ doesn’t even need to be brought up.
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ummmmmm....
Lincecum’s mechanics are basically perfect. His stuff is ridiculous.
Check out the article here
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by mvandonsel on May 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
word. Well, point is, JJ is OK
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not exactly sure...
who else aside from Sickels is talking about poor mechanics, but according to this, every aspect of his mechanics are excellent
http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/12/19/698118/pitcher-profile-jair-jurrj
by bravesguy311 on May 19, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sickels was the main guy I remembered, but I believe other guys in the blogosphere said similar things at the time of the Renteria trade. Perhaps ATL was able to “fix” his mechanics?
Regardless, Boddy’s analysis is by far the most thorough report I’ve seen on JJ. Substantially eases my fears. Thanks for passing along.
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by Yakker on May 19, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ's mechanics are fine
Nobody I have ever read has had anything to say about his mechanics being bad. Some have mentioned a small frame, thats all, and that doesn’t necessarily preclude injury…
by Andy Braves Fan on May 19, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great summary bigjoe, I gotta give you props for this one, I will buy you a beer, or 10, in Baltimore for it.
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by mvandonsel on May 19, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+5
This is one I’ve been waiting for, and it was great to read. Nicely done.
by hoboken_wood on May 19, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Convenient dilemma
It’s a “problem” that many teams could possibly wish to be in, having such an abundance of fine starting pitching talent. If Huddy can get close to back to his 2007-2008 form, he’s a surefire lock for the rotation.
Kawakami is just the odd-man out in my head, since eating innings for him requires a million pitches, where as guys like Huddy, Lowe, and Jurrjens can get to the 6th inning with under 80 pitches pretty capably. Slotting strikeout guys like Vazquez and Hanson between all those groundball guys is also a good way to throw off an opposing team, IMO.
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by royhobbs on May 19, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
$11 mil is a bargain for either of the two, I hate to pass up a good deal. Even if it’s just to keep them away from a rival. I think Huddy will be back in full form next year, not counting on much this year.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on May 19, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t pretend to know the Braves financial situation, but I would be alright with a rotation of:
Lowe
Vazquez
JJ
Hudson
Tommy Hanson
With KK in the bullpen for spot starts/reliever. But what do we do with Medlen? Could he take the place of Gonzo/Soriano, which would free up a little $$$ for Hudson’s option???
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
by mvandonsel on May 19, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My guess is that Medlen would take over Soriano’s role in the bullpen meaning that we wont have to pay $6.1 million to Soriano next year, that is money we could put towards Hudson’s option.
I don’t know, I wish we could keep them all, I guess this is a good problem to have. Could you imagine the above rotation with Gonzo, Soriano, Moylan, and Medlen in the pen?? Sick.
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by mvandonsel on May 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s what it will come down to again, $$$. I’m assuming we keep one of Gonzo/Soriano and release FYF, which should save a little scratch. KK is really the only dead weight, and he still may be of some use.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on May 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
http://www.ajc.com/services/content/printedition/2009/05/19/bradley0519.html?cxtype=ynews_rss
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Matt Holliday is not the answer. If we want to trade some one in our rotation we trade KK and another young arm or so to the Pirates for Nate McClouth.
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would trade
Vazquez and trade him before he starts “coming back to earth” so we can get the max for him in a deal.
by Jay212033 on May 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vazquez isn't coming back to earth
If anything, his BABIP and K/9 suggest a future improvement in his more traditional statistics
by Sid Bream's Moustache on May 19, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KK is important
Gotta keep KK. I think he can make it as a starter…he will get there. His starts have been quality the past few times out. A pen move wouldn’t be bad, but I think JV is a good trade piece, and I like the idea of moving him for a bat at the deadline.
by Andy Braves Fan on May 19, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Disagree
Vazquez is being as good as most expected with him making the transition from the white sox. we already knew he was a strikeout pitcher and we already guessed that he would have a lower ERA.
I say keep both of them and put KK in the pen. The guy’s stamina isnt where we need it for a #4 starter and he always gets hammered the second time through the line up so it wouldnt be to far fetched that he could be a good long reliever and maybe even a strong setup man and possibly making some spot starts.
i think if we swap Carlyle and Bennett with KK and Campillo in the bullpen we will be a lot better.
In regards to Hudson i say keep him next year. Two sinkerballers never hurt we just gotta make sure our defense plays better than it did last night.
Hudson
Lowe
Jurrjens
Vazquez
Hanson
That looks like a good rotation IMO. If we get a crazy offer for Vazquez then we get to put Medlen in the rotation next year as well although we will need a closer.
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
BTW when im talking about his stamina im referring to down the stretch at the end of the year. he has been doing better as of late we just havent been scoring runs. but down the stretch if we are going to the play offs i dont see his arm making it
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Quality starts
Quality is not what I’d use to describe KK’s starts. That term is inaccurate from a subjective, anecdotal standpoint and in relation to the statistical definition.
by hoboken_wood on May 19, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Funny thing is, only one of his past 3 “better” starts has actually been a QS, since he can’t pitch more than 5 innings without his arm falling off
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, Bobby pulled him too early in his last start, after struggling badly early in the game, he started getting people out. I thought KK had a chance to go 7 when Bobby prematurely pulled him.
by MatM on May 19, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Immediate return from TJ surgery
Is never a given. We have no idea how good Tim will be when he returns from surgery. The $12M option is indeed a good price for him, but I view the opportunity cost as much much too high — i.e. that is 12M that we could use to fix what is currently ailing the Braves (and for which there is no current obvious fix), and that is speed and power in the lineup. The Braves budget currently is about 40-50M less than top division rivals, and while $ =/= championships, it certainly does help make a team more competitive.
With regard to Tim vs. the other pitchers, I would much prefer Vasquez, because his health is much more of a certainty. Even if he regresses from his current awesomeness, the fact that in all likelihood we’ll get 200 innings / 200 strikeouts from him this year and next is a much rosier proposition than hoping Hudson will immediately be back at his best. KK hasn’t shown much yet, but I’d rather give him some more ML experience before we pull the plug after 1.5 months of evaluation.
In an ideal world, we would pick up Tim’s option, and then trade him as a rental player to another team, perhaps over the winter (unlikely). The worst outcome from this situation would be to let Tim walk, and walk to another division rival that badly needs pitching (i.e. Philadelphia or the Mets). But even in that situation, I’d be fine with it if the Braves could use that money to pick up an impact offensive player (or two…corner outfielders).
by fphjr01 on May 19, 2009 3:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mutual option
[I]t is doubtful Hudson would choose to opt out, since there is next to no way he could get as much money on the market as the option would give him.
Not sure about this. Per Cot’s, the highest annual SP salaries:
CC Sabathia, $23,000,000 (2009-15)
Johan Santana, $22,916,667 (2008-13)
Carlos Zambrano, $18,300,000 (2008-12)
Barry Zito, $18,000,000 (2007-13)
Jake Peavy, $17,333,333 (2010-12)
A.J. Burnett, $16,500,000 (2009-13)
Jason Schmidt, $15,666,667 (2007-09)
Derek Lowe, $15,000,000 (2009-12)
Roy Oswalt, $14,600,000 (2007-11)
Mark Buehrle, $14,000,000 (2008-11)
Roy Halladay, $13,333,333 (2008-10)
Ryan Dempster, $13,000,000 (2009-12)
Chris Carpenter, $12,700,000 (2008-11)
Bronson Arroyo, $12,500,000 (2009-10)
Kevin Millwood, $12,000,000 (2006-10)
Obviously many of these contracts are distinguishable. But if guys like Buerhle and Lowe can exceed $12M (Hudson’s 2010 option) per year and get extended deals, I would think Hudson could easily obtain something similar.
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by Yakker on May 19, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The year after TJ, I think teams would be a little scared of him. Look at Hampton…though he had more than just TJ
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly. Although Carpenter did just fine, salary-wise. And TJ surgery just isn’t as much of a value-destroyer these days, IMO (Burnett, Bedard, etc.). Huddy also will have August/September (and October?) to prove he’s fine.
In addition, the fact that the Braves are very willing to exercise the option suggests to me that the $12M may be below value. Market dynamics and all.
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by Yakker on May 19, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Without approaching the politcal side of the argument too muhc I think given the past offseason… where the economy is will depend a lot on what Hudson can get ? If the economy continues to improve and makes serious strides into the winter… then with a good showing at the end of the year (assuming the Brvaes let Hudson pitch) Timmy could find a sizeable paycheck this offseason and feel the need to leave ATL. He could also suck ass and have his value further lowered.
However, I also think Timmy likes Atlanta and wants to stay here. I could be acting like a doe-eyed idealist (i’ve been called worse before)… but he is a Georgia boy and he seems to like the Braves. Maybe he would give them the hometown discount by accepting the option (assuming that the option is indeed a discount as I mentioned before).
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on May 19, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Possibly, although even in last offseason’s tough economy, we saw the Lowe, Dempster, and Arroyo deals.
I do think Hudson probably would prefer to stay in ATL if the $$/years were close…we’ll just have to see how it works out. My guess is that the two sides will renegotiate and extend him for 3 more years (through 2013) for roughly $14M/per.
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by Yakker on May 19, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Arroyo?…he didnt get signed this last offseason that was an extension signed in 07 if i remember correctly
not the point though…. more to the point are you willing to ive Hudson that money today or are u predicting thats what it will take given a strong showing by him during his rehab and subsequent Aug-Sep return.
Because if you asked me today I would give him that much… Im a little worried about the 12M for one year right now… fact is he had TJ surgery. I know that TJ doesnt have the same stigma as it used to, but it is still an elbow ligament replacement surgery…to me that sounds scary. I hope (and think) that he will come back and pitch just as well as he has in the past. But theres no guarantee about that.
and since I’m in the habit of long winded comments today (could be the whole not having any papers to write or anything recently with school being out)… I will say that if it takes a 3 year 14M contract to sign Timmy (said with a certain South Park accent)… then I will miss her dearly and there’s no way the Braves resign him. If he declines the option I do not see the Braves pursuing him with any zeal.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on May 19, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Looks like you’re right about Arroyo. I knew that seemed off, but I took my info from Cot’s which is usually pretty accurate.
In terms of Hudson, my prediction was more what I expected the Braves to do, following what I expect to be a decent but not spectacular Aug/Sept from Hudson. I agree with you that an extension like the one I mentioned above is overpaying for Huddy’s age 35, 36, and 37 seasons.
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by Yakker on May 20, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hopefully in Aug / Sept
Tim can show that he’s back, or nearly back, and teams could then view him as having “upside” as he continues to return to form in 2010.
by fphjr01 on May 19, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted to exercise the option and move KK to the pen
But that 10MM could REALLY be used to add a bat. And if we move KK to the pen, we are pretty much wasting 8 million (i dont like to copy the Mets).
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by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 3:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here are some of the guys we could add via FA:
Jason Bay
Rick Ankiel
Mike Cameron
Carl Crawford (I doubt the Rays have 10MM laying around for his option)
Jermaine Dye (12MM buyout; could possibly be picked up)
Bobby Abreu
Xavier Nady (dude can still rake if his elbow heals)
Would you rather have Lowe, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson, Medlen/KK and have Rick Ankiel or Jason Bay in your lineup or have Lowe, Hudson, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Hanson with the same old shitty lineup?
My vote is to add the bat.
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by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shitty lineup plz. it would be such a waste to let hudson go. cut elsewhere to add the bat.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on May 19, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just an FYI, you cant just “cut” money. if you release a guy, you still owe him his money (see Andruw Jones and the Dodgers).
Who’s money do we cut outside of Javy V? Nobody wants KK. Everyone in our lineup is cheap outside of Chipper and McCann (not going anywhere). Soriano and Gonzo make about 10MM combined, but they’re both FA and we need a closer and another ’pen arm or two.
I would pee my pants if we got Jason Bay, but like Hanson-Ace said, theres about a 2% chance of us getting him (especially w/ his 13 HRs and .350avg this year).
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by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know when its this early in the season, and the Yankee fans are talking about stealing a player (like they are with Bay) it doesnt look good for us
Its gonna be an all out, old western style shootout with the yanks and sawks
by bravesguy311 on May 19, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYF is where is was going with that, though you wouldn’t call that cutting. Non-tendered? Maybe KJ too. Also cross off Glavine/Ganderson, reliever(s), we can get the money elsewhere and keep Huddy was my point.
If Dunn walks 30 fewer times, he'll drive in 15 more runs. This is thanks to the scientifically proven formula: RBI = (this is nonsense) (I made it all up).
Here's a stat: Wins as manager: Dusty Baker, 1,162; Bill James, 0.
by TradeAndruw on May 19, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know what you’re saying. And you have cut a fair amount of cap with this plan… you figure $4M each for KJ and FYF (assuming raises from this years nbrs). Ganderson = $1M. Glavine is $1M (plus roster bonuses and such, but we’ll say $1M). Relievers (i assume u mean GOnzo and Soriano) = $9M (i think Gonzo is like $3M and Soriano is $9M). So in total we have cut $19M….
But now we need a new 2B, a setup man, a closer, and two OFers. I realize the two OFers can be reasonably replaced because, well, neitehr is very good. But replacing KJ (assuming at some point he begins to hit again) is quite difficult. We have no one int eh system that can replace KJ.. unless you are advocating we put Prado or Infante at 2B (although we need to resign Infante). However, I don’t think you want to do that… if i remember you agree that Prado is not as good as his small sample size suggests.
We said we have $19M but 12M is goign towards Hudson… so that leaves us with $7M to replace all the aforementioned spots. Obviously, the Medlen could possibly fill one of those holes in the pen and then maybe Luiz Valdez or someone. But there’s no one we are filling three everyday spots with $7M…even if we are able bring someone up from teh minors (perhaps Gorkys for one of the OF spots).
The fact is if we are going to exercise Hudson’s option we need to cut cap someway (by trading someone I pressume)… or we need to increase our payroll drastically. Especially considering I haven’t even factored in salary increases for players entering arbitration and contracts ( McCann goes from 3.5 to 5.5 and I think there are some other increases)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on May 19, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bay will be sign with Boston/Yankers since we are not going to out bid neither of them
Ankiel possibly but just don’t know what kind of $$ he will command
Cameron will he be just as productive next with his age?
Crawford I still see the Rays pick his option up next year
Dye Sox may take one more shot with current cast till they blow this up in rebuilding mode
Abreu Keeps his hitting his once bargain 5M may just double and be out of price range but someone that should be strongly considered though.
Nady Is he worth giving up Draft Picks and 6-10M to sign him to hope that he can rebound?
I think the priority will be RH Power bat somewhere in the OF since we none in the farm coming anytime soon. I hope we but all our eggs in the Bay basket but could we sign him to 15M+ DEAL? Just tough to think we could but wo knows.
I agree that Lowe JV JJ Hanson KK and have Bay and Soriano than the extra arm of either JV/Huddy
This will depend on how Hudson looks at the end of the year and shown that he has regain his stuff. Could have situation where exercise the option and than trade either JV/Huddy for a OF RH power Bat.
by Hanson-Ace on May 19, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If resiging Hudson makes it impossible for Wren to resign Soriano, then i would rather see Huddy walk (sry Tim). And I would not like to see JJ or Javy be traded before season’s end.
What you guys have to remember is that the rotation for the most part has not been the problem for the Braves this year (shocker I know). The offense and the bullpen are the ones that have been real inconsistent. And with Soriano and Gonzalez being impending free agents, our 2010 bullpen is not looking to good. I’m not saying Wren should sign both, which is not likely at this point, but I can’t see Wren not signing atleast one of the two.
I guess my whole point is that Soriano has MORE than proved that he has regained his ’07 dominant form and imo is the safer bet to fulfll any contract the Braves give him (than Gonzo).
by RaffyGonzo on May 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BALLER
Huddy’s a flat out BALLER and needs to stay. I dont know what you all think, but having guys like Smoltz, Chip, and Huddy just in the dugout add to the Braves’ skill and comfort.
I think the preservation of keeping Huddy and Chip around the next few years while we really flush out and bring up the kids is invaluable.
by traphicg on May 19, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So August is probably the earliest? No chance of a Moylanesque early return?
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by Bravely going forward on May 19, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
NEW F*CKING LINEUP TONIGHT!
1. Escobar SS
2. Casey Kotchman 1B
3. C. Jones 3B
4. Brian McCann C
5. Garret Anderson LF
6. Kelly Johnson 2B
7. Jeff Francoeur RF
8. Jordan Schafer CF
9. Jair Jurrjens P
"Jason Heyward might be the best offensive prospect i've seen in fifteen years. His game is solid. I would trade any of the current players we have on our 25 man roster for Heyward. He's that good." - NL Scout.
by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 5:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
…I approve
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
im a little worried about KJ Frenchy and Señor Strikeout hitting 6th 7th and 8th tho.
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by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think KJ will beast this game hitting lower in the order. Walk or two and some RBI’s
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, it's actually legit
although I would go Casey/Esco……..
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Casey Kotchman
would then have the honor of slowest leadoff hitter in the entire history of Major League Baseball.
"Jason Heyward might be the best offensive prospect i've seen in fifteen years. His game is solid. I would trade any of the current players we have on our 25 man roster for Heyward. He's that good." - NL Scout.
by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jeremy Giambi
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Rays have done weirder......and Won
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on May 19, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Youkilis
we could continue but I think u get the point
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on May 19, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the unthinkable . . . .
Trade Lowe . . .
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 5:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
No one was offering him close to 15 mill a year.
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not even the mets were
so you know no one else would even think about trading for him.
the way i see it, we should try trading Javy Vazquez. It saves us 8 million and Tommy Hanson gives us pretty much the same thing (lots of K’s, fly balls and an occasional stretch when he cant locate)
"Jason Heyward might be the best offensive prospect i've seen in fifteen years. His game is solid. I would trade any of the current players we have on our 25 man roster for Heyward. He's that good." - NL Scout.
by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know no one was offering 15mil we would of course have to pay a portion of the contract.
Say we traded Lowe to a team needing a pitcher to fill out their rotation and we take a Bat (Still Loving Nate McClouth). So maybe a Lowe + Cody Johnson for Nate McClouth.
Braves still pay Lowe’s Salary. Pirates pay McClouth’s Salary.
We get a bat we need. They get a Pitcher to help fill out their rotation for the next few years of rebuilding and a future Adam Dunn.
Another team we might could match up in that way would be the Indians and Mark DeRosa. DeRosa would be solid in the #3 Hole and Chipper could hit Clean Up and McCann hit 5th.
same kind of package and it kind of works out better because the twins desperately need solid pitching.
From there we extend Hudson. He is younger than Lowe and pitches the same if not more dominant and has the newer arm in a sense.
Then we hold on to KK to keep our good PR in Japan. Next year we field a Pitching Squad of
1. Hudson
2. Jurrjens
3. Vazquez
4. Hanson
5. Kawakami
only reason i put KK in the 5 spot is because of his stamina. yea he will kind of get used to the 5 man rotation this year but he is also getting older and we want to be delicate with our PR investment lol
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to get McClouth, but i doubt the Pirates want DLowe. Plus, Lowe is our “ace”. We didnt give him 4 years to trade him after 2 months.
"Jason Heyward might be the best offensive prospect i've seen in fifteen years. His game is solid. I would trade any of the current players we have on our 25 man roster for Heyward. He's that good." - NL Scout.
by mvhsbball on May 19, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this rate we have 3 “Ace” caliber pitchers with JJ leading the pack. i think one is expendable in July if they all keep pitching like that. only to get another one back in August. . . .
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our we talking about the same McLouth
the guy has had one good season… He won arguably the biggest joke Gold Glove ever… by basically every defensive metric out there he was really not good… he has a good mix of speed and power… but he probably isn’t a CF (IMHO). Would he start in our OF… well obviously but thats not a good measuring stick for if an OF is a good or not. I look at him as comparable to a Eric Byrnes…would anyone trade their ace (whether Lowe is a true ace is certainly debatable) for McLouth. I know you have to look at contracts and stuff.. but I’m not willing to give up Lowe for McLouth no matter the circumstances (well i guess if I’m completely wrong and it turns out McLouth is a lot better than I think he is than maybe)
And you want to throw in Cody Johnson… Ill admit I’m not sold on Johnson his swing has a huge hole. But his power is undeniable…If he could even slightly relax on the Ks…his power would make him an asset. He would be more valuable in the AL (as a DH).. but that doesn’t mean we can’t stick him in the OF and see what happens. This isn’t really the point of what you’re saying or what I’m saying…its just a little side note.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on May 19, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im not saying to put McClouth in CF and drop Schafer im saying to put McClouth in LF and just upgrade over Anderson and Diaz.
Or we could put him in Right Field and sit FYF if he doesnt get better
by drumzalicious on May 20, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here is a thought that i don't think anyone has voiced yet
What about making one of our starters our new closer?
Lowe and Vasquez seem to be the best candidates. I think Lowe will cost too much for that type of role, but who knows?
Both of our current closers are in their walk years. If we are loaded with pitching, it may be financially irresponsible to bring one of them back (with a raise in salary) when we have so many other options out there.
What do you guys think about this option, and who would you pick to be the closer if we went this route?
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 5:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’re insane.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
care to ellaborate?
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KK lol
nothing like a closer with a 69 MPH curveball
by drumzalicious on May 19, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why in the name of all that is holy would we turn one of our 2 best starters that you can get 6 innings minimum a week out of into a guy who can pitch a maximum of 4 or so innings a week?
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because we have a plethora of guys that can do that right now. We are going to need to either spend money on another closer or use an internal option. If we have an abundance of good, quality starting pitching (more than we can use) why not utilize that strength to improve our weakness? It solves the “problem” of figuring out what to do with our extra SP and it also gives us a closer for no additional fee. We could then use the $6-8M saved from not signing a new closer to go out and get that bat.
I never said that we SHOULD use Lowe or Vasquez, but rather that they would be the best for that role. Hell, maybe Huddy could close and save his arm and extend his career.
This was an open-ended post that asked for who you thought would be the best fit. Do you think the entire idea of taking one of our starters and making them a closer is a bad idea?
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the starter is someone like Kerry Wood who throws gas and gets hurt all the time, I think its a horrible idea.
"If on-base percentage is so important, then why don't they put it up on the scoreboard?"
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
We have 5 rotation spots. Assuming we pick up Huddy’s option we have these pitchers to fill those spots:
Lowe, Hudson, JJ, KK, Hanson, Medlen, JV and possibly Morton, Locke and Rohrborough (SP?). That is 10 SPs to fill 5 spots. We have to do something with 5 of these guys. Odds are that Morton, Locke and Rohrborough will not be in the rotation, so we will go ahead and eliminate them from this list.
That leaves us with 7 above average SPs (assuming Hanson and Medlen are successful when making the jump and that KK finds his groove). We will have to either trade the extra two or use them in the pen. If we move someone to the pen, why not fill a need and make them your closer? It saves money, saves a rotation spot and fills a need all at the same time.
Thoughts against?
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Locke and Rohrbough are in high-A. You seriously think they’re going to be rotation contedners? Come on.
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did we think that Medlen and Hanson would be at this time last year?
and no, I already stated that they probably will not be in the running and took them out of the mix.
What is your suggestion though? I don’t recall seeing your idea…maybe I just missed it.
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were both in AA at this time last year…
I’ve said my idea in other threads. Wait to see what the market does. Explore offers for everyone, check what your budget is, and go from there
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by bigjoe on May 19, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have to say it is a tad bit premature to be guessing as to what we should do with Timmy, considering he hasn’t thrown a pitch yet this year
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on May 19, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan DC
I love Escobar hitting lead-off. I love Kotchman hitting 2rd. A little scard about the bottom 3rd though.
by Dandrews on May 19, 2009 5:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan DC
In regards to Hudson, I bet the Braves come to him and say, “Tim, we can’t afford you at $12MM next year. If we decline your option, you’re probably not going to get paid close to $12MM on the open market. Thus why don’t we split the difference and offer you a $8MM one-year deal?” I think both would agree.
Thoughts?
by Dandrews on May 19, 2009 6:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Hudson would agree to that
If John Smoltz could get $5M guaranteed for pitching only a couple of months of the season, Huddy can get 10-12M
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dan DC
Smoltz is a good comp to use. However, if I remember correctly, the Red Sox signed Smoltz with the asumption he would be ready in May or June, much more than half of the season. He suffered a set back in his rehab after he signed the contract.
by Dandrews on May 19, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Smoltz himself
said that the earliest he would be available would be June…
Why do you put Dan DC in the title of all your posts? lol
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by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just trying to get my name out there.
I’m gonna make it big one day!
by Dandrews on May 19, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I commented other
because I would like to wait and see how well Huddy pitches when he gets back in the rotation.
It’s 2 early for me 2 make a decision on Huddy BUT not to early for me to make my decision on some of the of the little league players on the team!!!!
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by HEYJUDE on May 19, 2009 6:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m in favor of picking up the option and letting the pieces fall where they may. If the worst case scenario is Kawakami pitching in long relief until someone gets injured, I’m fine with that.
by 17843 on May 19, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You’d be okay with paying a long reliever $8 million, when the team needs to find 2 corner OFers, a set-up man, and a closer?
by Lennox on May 20, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In general,
let’s all just back away from the ledge. The original question was what to do with Tim Hudson’s option—not which of our starters should be closing, or “why Derek Lowe for Nate McLouth might work.” Holy crap.
It’s frustrating as all hell watching guys urinate on themselves at the plate night after night, but as suggested, the market, budget, and our record will determine what moves are made later this summer.
by hoboken_wood on May 19, 2009 7:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hoboken_wood has spoken
"Actually, Justin was right."
by bigjoe on May 15, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
by justincredubil02 on May 19, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll go ahead and say it ...
Six. Man. Rotation.
by Lennox on May 20, 2009 7:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
leave your options open
I’d pick up Hudson’s option and then take offers on the best deal for kk, jv, and hudson, and take the one I like best.
Question: Does Hudson become a 5/10 guy after this year, even if he is on the dl? He had 4/10 years prior to 2009. That could hinder things.
by jcnyc on May 20, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs


















