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Atlanta Braves Minor League Recap: 5/13

Sorry these are so late. I have also been on vacation this week.

Gwinnett 9, Buffalo 1

  • G. Blanco 0-1 4BB, SB(6)
  • B. Jones 2-3 RBI, 2BB
  • B. Canizares 3-4 2B, HR(6), 6 RBI, SF
  • C. Morton 7IP 3H 1R 3BB 2K

Not really a classic Charlie Morton start here, but he was still really effective by getting a lot of groundballs. Look at that line from Blanco! Basically just doing the things he does marginally well: walking, stealing a base and not hitting. This game by Barbaro Canizares might be the single best hitting game for a Braves farm hand this season. Cody Johnson and Gerrardo Rodriguez have had a couple good ones too. But this one is really nice.

Mississippi 1, Jacksonville 4

  • G. Hernandez 1-4 BB, SB(8)
  • D. Heath 6IP 5H 4R 3BB 6K

Meh, nothing special going on here. Gorkys continues to be one of the most productive hitters we have and could really fill our void at the top of the lineup in the next few seasons. I have never seen either one play live but I have heard that Hernandez's defense is actually better than Schafer's. I know Schafer is supposed to be a stuf, but I haven't really been blown away by him this season except on the couple of highlight type plays he makes. Either way, I want to see Gorkys in Atlanta this season.

Myrtle Beach 2, Frederick 1

  • J. Heyward 3-3 2B, HR(5), BB
  • E. Cordier 4IP 3H 0R 2BB 5K

Nice. Heyward throws in an excellent bounceback game. Just to back up my point from yesterday he has only 5 strikeouts in his past 10 games and 4 walks in the same span. He has just been a little streaky with the hits falling in with a BABIP of .260 on the season. His line drive % is also down this year from past years (19% last year in Rome; 8% so far this season). Also I just want to note the solid season Eric Cordier is having as he is coming off of his surgery last year. He is currently sporting a 1.69 ERA with 17K in 16IP and 9BB. He might get a quick bump up if he improves his stamina and keeps up the solid numbers.

Rome 7, Asheville 5

  • S. Moody 2-3 2B, RBI
  • L. Sumoza 1-3 2B, 2BB, 2K

Shayne Moody was our 24th rd. pick out of UNC- Charlotte last season. He was drafted a SS but played 2B in this game (his first in Rome). He doesn't really have any standout skills that I can see. I would guess he is solid with the glove since he has little speed and doesn't show any pop in his bat. Brett DeVall got knocked around a little in this game and Paul Clemens came in and pitched 3.1 scoreless innings but gave up 5 hits and didn't strike anyone out. You can't do that when you have this guys fastball.

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love it!

the minor league recaps are great. going to milb and sifting through all of the affiliates is pretty painstaking. keep up the good work.

by ryan c on May 14, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ugh

“Look at that line from Blanco! Basically just doing the things he does marginally well: walking, stealing a base and not hitting.”

Throwing in the non hitting part is stupid. If you get walked 4 out of 5 times you are getting the job done.

Sometimes I feel like there should be more critics for the critics.

by Fischerking on May 14, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

tough crowd.

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on May 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

In 32 games, Gregor Blanco is hitting .217, with a .313. OBP, and a .279 SLG, for a.592 OPS. He may have gotten the job done in this game, but he’s clearly not getting the job done in general.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on May 14, 2009 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you know……..
Meh, fuck it.

by yondaime4 on May 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they’ve pretty much decided that Moody is a 2B, he’s just not athletic enough to play SS as a pro.

I’ve always thought Schafer’s defense is a few ticks better than Gorkys’, but you’re right, he’s looked very awkward at times in the majors. He been taking some funny routes, which he never did in the minors. Hopefully it’s just a nerves thing or something and he’ll get back on track.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on May 14, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I saw metrics a few weeks ago that showed Schafer as an average centerfielder and Gorkys as ridiculously better than average. Schafer is fast but doesn’t appear to get great jumps and has had a few too many balls go over his head for my liking so far…

by Uninvited on May 14, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve found those defensive metrics to be pretty much useless though. Was this one based on this year or a few years? Prior to this season, my observations on the two were that Gorkys was well above average and Schafer was superb. Like I said, Schafer hasn’t looked right on some balls, but a month isn’t going to cause me to knock him below Gorkys.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on May 14, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

BA and BP seemed to refer to Schafer as a GG outfielder in the making, so it’s interesting to hear that maybe he’s not.

by Smoltz's Beard on May 14, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but here is the question. Is that how GG players are made? Media saying they are gold glove well before they ever make an appearance in the show simply because a scout saw a dude rob another dude of a homerun. I’m not saying Schafer isn’t great, but I don’t think he is as good as we were led to believe and I have also seen those defensive metrics. Granted I don’t think those metrics are a great tool, but I do think they are good indicators especially when the gaps are as large as they appear to be.

by yondaime4 on May 14, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So true. Often it's just a preconcieved perception of defensive worth.

See Jeter, Derek.

Schafer covers some ground, and got to a ball the other night that I just really didn’t think he was going to get to. But he’s taking some pretty crappy routes to balls, he got all turned around on one ball hit over his in the Johan-Lowe game, granted I don’t think he could have gotten to it anyways, but it just made him look bad. He’s got the best arm we’ve ever had in CF though I think. I still think a Gorkys-Schafer-Heyward OF would be a pitcher’s dream, wherever you want to put each of the three. I know the defense metrics LOVE Gorkys as CF though, so he has to be doing something good out there.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on May 14, 2009 1:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I watched Schafer myself in Rome for a year and a half (more or less), and his defense was amazing back then – I mean absolutely stellar. I don’t think his hype is unwarranted, but I don’t know what his deal is this year….maybe he’s taking his hitting troubles onto the field, I don’t know.

by secondbass on May 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes it takes outfielders a time to adjust to major league parks. ML parks have the third deck, which minor league parks do not. Schafer’s defense wasn’t pretty the first couple of weeks but I feel like he’s been adjusting quite well.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on May 14, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also...

the lights. Especially the lights at the Ted. Honestly, seeing him at Citi was just so exciting. I wish more balls were hit to him.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on May 14, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don’t outfielders have trouble at the Ted because of the lack of lights?

by Smoltz's Beard on May 15, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The lack of lights behind them. Most Major League parks and every Minor League park has light in the outfield, but the Ted doesn’t. Apparently it creates weird shadows and poorly lit balls.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on May 15, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He looked bad in Pittsburgh, and 2 of those games were day games.

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on May 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I know the GG has been tarnished quite a bit as of late. I would hope that when BP refers to someone as a future GG that are merely trying to convey that they are a spectacular defender.

by Smoltz's Beard on May 14, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How does Canizares game rank as one of the best hitting performances of the year...

While Heyward’s doesn’t?

Heyward was perfect, and had a 2B and a HR just like Canizares. While Canizares made a couple outs last night. Can’t really blame Heyward for not having the RBI, because it’s not like he left any RBI opportunities on the table. If anything it’s just an indication that Frederick’s pitchers weren’t giving away hits and walks in the same way that Buffalo’s were. Comparing the two lines, I’ll take Heyward’s every time.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on May 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yondaime4 only cares about RBI, duh

by Smoltz's Beard on May 14, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

actually I meant to bring that up (when doing this I work from highest level down so I didn’t see Heyward’s game till I got to Myrtle Beach) when I saw Heyward’s game. I got sidetracked though when I got there though. It is really hard to tell which game is better though. I mean I know we all rag on RBI’s but I’d like a guy that can knock guys in when they are on the bases. The thing is though Heyward’s homer was a game winner so it almost automatically makes his game more valuable. Also Canizares had more plate appearances, but he still had just as many productive trips to the plate as Heyward.

by yondaime4 on May 14, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So much for Heyward being in a funk...

in two games now he’s gone from a .240/.318/.432- .750 OPS line, to a .270/.362/.520- .882 line.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on May 14, 2009 2:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

About Heyward and Gorkys

Whats funny is that Heyward was a triple shy of the cycle. Its good to see that he doesnt get stuck in a funk for to long

+1

About Gorkys

I actually just looked up both Gorkys and Schafer’s player cards on BP and Gorkys is higher rated in the DEF catagory. Most of Schafers numbers for defense are negative and in red and Gorkys are all positive. His numbers were down last year because of his injury im guessing; but the year before it was kind of crazy.

Honestly i wouldnt mind seeing Gorkys in our CF and trading Schafer

by drumzalicious on May 14, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Also just looked up their Range differences on Baseball Reference

Schafer in AA was a 2.06 and a 2.42 in Myrtle Beach

Gorkys in AA so far has a 2.84 in his Range category with a 2.76 for Myrtle Beach.

The only difference i see is that Gorkys has made a few errors and Schafer has hardly ever had an error

by drumzalicious on May 14, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We could always put Gorkys in center, and shift Schafer over to left.

by MatM on May 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am scheduled to see Gorkys play against the Montgomery Biscuits on Saturday night. I am excited to see in play, after hearing so much about him the last couple of years.

by frozen rope on May 14, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Schafer ever ends up being the 20/20 threat some people think he would, he’d be pretty damn valuable with his defense in LF.

by Smoltz's Beard on May 15, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If that last sentence ends up happening, I will need to be put on suicide watch

by acie4mvp on May 14, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm right there with ya buddy...

I thought I was gonna smash something when people were talking about trading Schafer in the offseason…heck…I’m getting all…teary-eyed…just thinkin’ about it…(sniff)

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on May 14, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So if Gorkys goes in to ST next year raking and Schafer continues his horrible trend at the plate you would rather still have Schafer in CF?

I disagree with putting Schafer in LF. We need to get a legitimate bat to go in LF that can bolster our lineup not some on his way out player like Garrett Anderson but someone like a Swisher/Ordonez thats in the last year of their contract and are there to be the bride while Heyward spends next year going from AA to AAA.

by drumzalicious on May 14, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The "what-if" game can go both ways...

I see what you’re saying, but I’ve seen enough of Schafer (majors and minors) to believe that he will hit. He makes adjustments quickly. Look at him the past few days, he’s making contact and driving the ball better than he has. If he keeps making contact the hits will fall for him. Don’t get me wrong, I like Gorkys, but I like Schafer more and believe he will be the better player.

I have a feeling that the Hernandez/Schafer debate will put the KJ/Prado debate to shame…

And to answer your theoretical question, there is a point when results will have to play a part in decision-making. If the season is over and Schafer has had a horrible year, I’ll probably still love him, but I’ll still love the team more. So, whatever is best for the team.

"If I had a little humility, I would be perfect" - Ted Turner

by Little Lady on May 14, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

130 PAs and Schafer’s washed up.

by Smoltz's Beard on May 15, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, after the first 2 games he was the ROY.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on May 15, 2009 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im not saying the kids washed up. what im saying is that in the event that there is someone (Gorkys) who comes into ST or some other scenario and plays better than him i would prefer to have the better player.

by drumzalicious on May 15, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I understand but it’s a little ridiculous to already be talking about kick Schafer to the curb, don’t you think?

by Smoltz's Beard on May 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, remember last year when Gorkys was hurt and didn’t play that great and everyone was writing him off? Yeah.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on May 15, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve never trusted pretty much any defensive metric because none of them can measure enough information.

1) Range Factor simply counts the number of outs you participate in. This is basically the same as evaluating pitchers by IP-it might have uses, but as an encompassing tool, it basically sucks. It measures more where outs are made, not whether it’s done adeptly, and pitching has much to do with this as anything.

For example, if Derek Lowe, who is a groundball pitcher, throws a complete game, he might get 20 ground ball outs, 4 strike outs, and 3 fly outs, while allowing 5 hits on ground balls. Yunel Escobar might cleanly field 15 balls that are cleanly hit at him, so his RF for the game is 15, and Jordan Schafer could sprint into left field to get to a ball that GA lost in the lights, but his RF is only 1.

Extreme example: The opposing team hits 40 lazy fly balls to center and your CF, Mr. Needs-Glasses, only catches only 20 of them because he sucks. But his RF for the game is 20, which is damned ridiculous because he looks good. Additionally, those balls are counted usually as hits, which really discredits FP% as well.

2) Zone Rating-it’s better, and it also sucks.

This one makes sense at first-you look at the number of balls hit in a man’s zone, and see how many he got to. And it also includes balls hit out of zone, so guys with outstanding range get more credit. Well, that seems to make sense.

However, I have multiple huge issues. Zones are defined as the areas around the position where 50% of batted balls are outs. Zones are not defined based on where the fielder is actually positioned. If there’s a runner at third and the infield is in, a groundball up the middle normally handled by the shortstop becomes a near impossibility. If there’s a runner at first, the first baseman’s zone is not shifted forward to account for holding the runner.

To my knowledge, it hasn’t even yet been adjusted to account for the hitter. Ryan Howard, for example, makes the vast majority of his outs on the right side of the infield, and hence teams use the overshift when he bats. But with Zone rating, the third baseman’s zone is still over on the line, even if he’s playing right next to second base. A 12 hopper up the line counts as a ball the third baseman should have fielded, even though he was 80 feet from it.

Finally, and most importantly, there’s no account for ball trajectory and velocity. Catching a mile high pop-up in your zone counts exactly the same as diving forward to catch a low, screaming line drive. A softly hit groundball to short is a tough out when there’s a fast runner, while a hard hit ball up the middle can be easier with a catcher running.

The speed of the man running is an extremely important factor for the man fielding the ball, but is never accounted for in any metric.

I don’t know all the defensive metrics that being used, and some teams, like Tampa, have top-secret performance measurements for defense, but I doubt that all my issues are addressed because there’s no way to track all the trajectories for every batted ball. Perhaps some day, when technology becomes a bigger part of the game.

by Bronn on May 14, 2009 9:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it does. I’m going to edit it and post it, and perhaps more people will read it.

by Bronn on May 14, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

did you just ask a question, and then answer it yourself? Thats almost as bad as the other day when NCChopper gave herself +100!

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on May 15, 2009 8:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hit fx is coming as early as next season that will basically solve all of your concerns. Nevertheless, UZR is pretty damn good at what it does if you use a large enough sample size. Now, the metrics referenced earlier in regards to Gorkys/Schafer’s fielding are both play-by-play metrics which aren’t nearly as good as UZR. They merely measure how many balls an average fielder would field compared to how many they actually fielded and find run values for those missed outs. I’d also take minor league fielding stats with a boulder sized hunk of salt as the field conditions just aren’t up to major league quality in many places.

by 17843 on May 14, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’d talk more about UZR, but I really don’t understand it. I’ve never been able to find any spot that it’s explained in full, short of buying one of the books on defensive metrics. I’m really cheap, so I don’t want to a spend money on a book that tells me why people are using something that, at the end, I’ll probably disagree with. From what little I know, it still runs into several problems with other metrics.

1) There’s an arbitrary element. You’re expected to average so many outs per game based purely on your position, but this basically counts on using large sample sizes to “even things out,” which doesn’t necessarily happen. For example, a team can be loaded with strikeout-heavy pitchers, which reflects negatively on the defense for not making outs.

2) I think it runs into the same problem as zone rating-namely, it treats all balls in the same zone exactly the same. A man can catch a low line drive and get no more credit than catching a pop-up that hangs up for 10 seconds.

Hit-fx probably will revolutionize fielding metrics. I’m going to wait and see how it’s applied, but it has the potential to ultimately provide objective, accurate, and comparative fielding data. The only thing missing from a dream scenario is that it can’t be retroactively used on historical players, so comparing the star centerfielders to Willie Mayes will remain a subjective practice.

by Bronn on May 14, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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