Atlanta Braves Minor League Recap: 4/22
Woot! Got my new keyboard today so this doesn't take nearly as long as it used to. Let us begin. Also, I will start doing a weekly Prospect spot with guys who aren't necessarily at the top of the organizational depth chart. You guys drop me some lines on who you want to hear about and I'll do some magic for them. My first guy is probably going to be Barbaro Canizares.
Durham 6, Gwinnett 2
- B. Conrad 2-5 2B, RBI, 3K
- C. Sammons 2-4 2B
- C. Morton 3IP 8H 6R 1BB 1K
So Chuck Morton got hurt pretty bad in this one. He threw a ton of balls (heh) and just got hit hard in every inning. He probably isn't the answer right now. I hope he can figure things out in the long run, his arm is too good to give up on right now. Luis Valdez threw a scoreless inning and has his ERA down to 1.17 with 8K in 7.2IP. Gotta wonder still when he is getting the call? Next month we only have one day off all month so keep an eye open for a rotating door in the bullpen.
Chattanooga 8, Mississippi 9
- G. Hernandez 1-3 RBI, BB
- P. Britton 2-2 2B, 2 RBI, BB (also threw out 2/3 runners)
- S. Diamond 5IP 5H 4R 1BB 1K
MIssissippi inmproves to 6-7 winning their 4th game in a row. The pitching staff has been pretty solid so far only giving up more than 4 runs in one game so far this season. Anyways, Phillip Britton has been great at the plate so far this season hitting .333 and posting a .907 OPS. Granted that is only 24 ABs so far, but he hasn't been outstanding at any point in the past so maybe we will see him break out a little this year. Man we have some good catching depth right now: Sammons, Britton, Kennelly, Schleuber, Johnson and the young Christian Betancourt.
Kinston 8, Myrtle Beach 9
- M. Fisher 3-4 BB
- F. Freeman 2-5 2B, RBI
- C. Johnson 1-3 RBI, BB, 2K
- C. Kimbrel 1IP 0H 3R 5BB 1K
Wow, Craig Kimbrel has to be injured because there is no way someone who was this good last year can be this bad this year. Steve Blass disease? Jason Heyward was out for this game and it looked like they didn't need him at first. The Pelicans started the game off with 7 straight hits with the 7th being a triple from Quentin Davis. But then the wheels fell off in the 6th when Craig Kimbrel walked everyone in sight. Eric Cordier also attempted to come back from one of his injuries in this game. He went one inning and gave up one run off one hit and three walks.
Rome 2, Savannah 4
- G. Rodriguez 2-4 HR(3)
- P. Clemens 4IP 7H 4R 2BB 2K
Well Rodriguez has been hitting ever since I called him out. He must be a reader and easily motivated by blogger opinion. Aren't we all. He has all of his XBH in the past 5 games which includes 3 homers and 2 doubles. Otherwise the rest of the offense has been pretty abysmal. Only 4 hits tonight. Also Paul Clemens live arm isn't quite translating yet. He is a JUCO guy though so I give him some leeway.
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Phil Britton’s a nice enough guy, but I don’t see him ever playing a game in the bigs.
I love Gerry Rodriguez. That dude just has fun playing.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
WTF is up with Kimbrel? Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn, that’s a lot of walks.
On a positive note, he didn’t give up a hit!
Just give him a chance to meet some girls at the Beach…
All his hoes in Rome are with JJ Hoover now…but there still friends.
...catsports...
by bwellnjonesco on Apr 23, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Barbaro Canizares?
6’3" 210, Bats: R Throws: R, 29 yr old Cuban defector signed by Braves inFeb ’06. Since then, he has put up numbers that look like those of a professional, middle of the lineup hitter, to include the following at the AAA level:
G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI AVG OPS
197 736 325 46 1 19 109 .324 (approx) .835
Right now, for the GBraves, he’s at .345 AVG w/ 5 2B, 3 HR, 8 RBI, .953 OPS in 58 AB.
So, I’m thinking it is not unreasonable to suspect Greg Norton (who is just a few months shy of age 38, has a career .251 AVG, .736 OPS, and is 0 for 11so far) may have lost that small % of reaction and no longer be a MLB hitter, and Canizares is a better option right now.
Lord knows we could use more offense.
Anyone with me on this?
while I do like Norton, I too think his days as a professional hitter are past him. I really think that Carnizares has earned the right to be called up, but I’m not sure he’d excel at just pinch hitting. We already have a first baseman that puts up similar numbers and that is gold glove material.
I’m torn on this cause I also think that Blanco should replace Norton. But unless Logan gets sent down I don’t see why the Braves would call up Carnizares before Blanco. Only if someone is sent down will Carnizares get a chance. Hell, I’d like to see B Jones get called up too!
I do think the offense needs shaken up though. Whether that be some major changes or just some lineup shifting. I’d really like to see Schafer lead off.
Lineup:
Schafer
Diaz (switch with Yunel when Diaz isn’t playing)
Chipper
McCann
Frenchy
Kotchman
Yunel (Bats #2 when Diaz isn’t playing)
Kelly
Pitcher
This way you have speed leading off with Logan, Diaz is a hitting machine followed by some power. With Kelly and Yunel at the bottom, you have both of them acting like they are the leadoff and #2 guy. I think this gives the Braves the best lineup. Kelly just isn’t a leadoff hitter.
Could the Braves possibly trade him straight up or as part of a package for someone good that we need?
Norton was outstanding last season, you need to chill out with this “he’s over the hill” nonsense. Can we give the guy more that 12 PAs before we send him to the glue factory?
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
You talk like glue has no value whatsoever!
It took me like 20 seconds to find at least one way that glue saves lives. I’m fairly certain that Norton would gladly give himself up to save others.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
And while KJ might not be a leadoff hitter giving him less PAs than FYF, Kotchman, Diaz, and Yunel is a foolish move.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Well the offense is stinking it up right now. I really think the lineup needs to change. It’s not like Bobby Cox is going to implement what i just wrote. You need to chill. I was just offering a suggestion and I backed it up with why i feel the lineup needs to be shaken up.
Might want to lay off the coffee this morning.
And I said I like Norton and I know his PAs are a small sample size this year, but I also think that Carnizares deserves a call up. Going with a younger player who’s proven himself in the minors just seems to make sense to me right now.
I’m one of the few who hasn’t been bashing the Braves, but the current lineup just isn’t scoring any runs.
I’m all for shuffling the lineup a little bit, but putting KJ in the 8th spot just doesn’t make any sense. He’s probably the third best hitter on the team and he’s got a .214 BABIP right now. Schafer on the other hand is striking out way too much, and has a .387 BABIP (he is walking quite a bit, which is awesome). He’s not ready for the leadoff spot yet.
And I’m not arguing that Barbaro doesn’t deserve a shot, but he’s a RH hitter and Norton can hit from both sides of the plate. We signed Norton for this role and it makes no sense to kick him to the curb before it’s even May. And you said yourself that you don’t even know if Barbaro would excel as a pinch hitter.
Your little coffee remarks aren’t all that funny, especially since it’s hypocritical that you’re asking me to chill out when you’re the one saying we need to do this and we need to do that. Making snap judgments never work out in the end. I know these losses count the same as the ones in August and September, but this is still the time of the year that players are getting comfortable. Let’s wait it out a little bit longer before we start making those kinds of decisions.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed that Norton was very productive in a pinchhitter/spot starter role last year – although “outstanding” seems a bit of a reach. He was surprisingly good. But can he duplicate that performance again? I seriously doubt it and hardly think it is “nonsense” to point out he is likely near the end of his career.
And isn’t Norton best as a left-handed hitter?
Canizares is our best bopper option from the right side, which is exactly where we are weakest.
As a right-handed hitter who has consistently hit for both avg and power, Canizares seems to me to be a better bet to make a major contribution to the team’s success than Norton.
I would be hugely shocked if it happened because of Bobby’s loyalty to his veteran players, but I am seriously of the view that it would be an outgrade and is needed now.
He went .316/.473/.526 in 74 PH PAs…if you don’t think that’s outstanding then I don’t know what you expect out of a PH. Maybe he can duplicate, maybe he can’t…but either way he’s earned more than 12 PAs to prove that. If you could please elaborate why you seriously doubt that he can, I’d love to hear it. He’s not even a year older and suddenly he’s fallen off a cliff? Makes no sense to me, but I’d love for you to convince me.
Yes, he’s better as a LH hitter…what’s your point? He’s the only LH bat we have on the bench other than FUGA when he’s not playing. You want to get rid of that for another RH who has never even been in the majors? We might not have boppers from the right side but Infante and Prado are both pretty good options, and we all know about their versatility.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Somehow, I have this feeling that trying to convince you of anything at all would be a futile effort.
However, please feel free to believe whatever you see fit.
And have an excellent day.
Lame.
There’s actually been numerous instances on here where my stance on various subjects has been changed thanks to an eye-opening explanation by a fellow member. But if you want to voice your opinion and run away at the first sign of someone disagreeing with you, than maybe the internet isn’t for you.
No reason for you to be a smart ass about it, I’m just trying to engage in a discussion.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Abusive and Hostile.
Is there some particular reason you are so consistently abusive and hostile?
Let me review one more time:
Norton is an aging professional athlete, who has a career .251 avg. He was one of the best pinch hitters in baseball last year, and likely can still be productive, but my opinion is he likely will not over-perform again and it is unrealistic to expect he will do so.
In fact, my opinion is his performance will likely fall off somewhat dramatically because, in fact, that is very commonly what happens with non-elite professional athletes when they reach that certain age of 37 or 38.
Now, you may have a different opinion for reasons that you think are just excellent, which is fine, well and good. You are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine. You may be right. I may be right.
But bickering over opinions is juvenile. It does not enhance my self-worth or manhood in any appreciable way. I would simply rather not.
Is there some particular reason you are so consistently abusive and hostile?
Could not be farther from the truth. You must have him confused with bigjoe.
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
You could have just stated “I don’t have any evidence, I’m simply stating my gut feeling” and I would have shaken my head and moved on with my life like I normally do when someone tries to back their position up with that excuse, but instead you’re the one who busted out his jump to conclusion mat and tried to make me out to be some sort of a close-minded ogre who thinks in nothing but 0’s and 1’s. Don’t get on your high horse acting all self righteous now when you’re the one who posted a middle school-type comeback to my legitimate response.
Why’d you post your opinion in the first place if you weren’t going to do anything except immediately dismiss discussions from the opposite viewpoint? You can keep pointing to his .251 career batting average and saying that he’s too old…but I’ll keep pointing to his .374, .358, and .373 OBP that he’s posted the last three years respectively and keep mentioning that he excelled in the the PH less than 12 months ago.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude, all I did was not engage when you attempted in what I perceived as veiled hostility to start an argument and wished you well. Then, you called me or my position Lame, taunted me as running away, suggested that I perhaps can’t withstand the heat of the internet and was being unnecessarily smart-assed, when you are so very constructively attempting to discuss the issue. Now you double down, suggesting I am simply a know nothing, baseless because I say so propounder and a high horsing, self-righteous middle-school comebacker. Of course, you maintain your posts were absolutely legitimate. What a fucking joke.
You need to grab some insight somewhere, bro.
Alright, let’s calm down.
Dude, all I did was not engage when you attempted in what I perceived as veiled hostility to start an argument and wished you well.
That’s the problem right there. You just automatically assumed I was out looking for a fight. Do you always over perceive and get offended so easily? I mean, good lord, I was just trying to understand your position. But maybe I’m just as guilty…I’ve never once ran into someone who slid the smarmy “have a nice day”-type ending and apparently actually meant it. If you’re that first person, then I apologize.
I will give you credit for this, though…
Now you double down, suggesting I am simply a know nothing, baseless because I say so propounder and a high horsing, self-righteous middle-school comebacker.
…that’s just a well constructed sentence.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe I do, as behind my smart assed, swarmy, turd encrusted exterior, I’m a real sweet sensitive guy.
or maybe I think what I think and say what I bloody well want, and don’t particularly care whether you or any other bmobs (big men on blog) agree with or respect my opinions or not.
good night (and I mean it).
Haha, whatever man.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 11:22 PM EDT up reply actions
The only things I can ever remember you posting on this site are nonsense. Just awful.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Yet another example of the type of unnecessary personal abuse that seems to be quite prevalent here. Some of you guys who have been here for a while seem to really go out of your way to demean and belittle others.
Insulting me is just fine. Bring it.
Once again I think you’re completely overreacting. I don’t try to demean and belittle others, I just simply ask for a little accountability. A little substance to your argument would be nice, but if you want to bring something up and then just walk away because you do not like confrontations…I can accept that. I’ll remember not to bother you anymore.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 24, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
But did you see how happy he was after his accident? Dreams do come true, he was living proof!
People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again.
Are you serious?!?
The guy who invented the Pet Rock made a million dollars!
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Apr 24, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions
When has Canizares consistently hit for power? He had 13 last year, and only 9 in the two years before that.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
He has 66 extra-base hits, including 19 homeruns, in 736 at bats in AAA, plus a high batting average of .324. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=caniza001bar
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=119853
For purposes of comparison, since the start of the 2007 season, Norton has 32 extra-base hits, including 14 homeruns, in 587 at bats with the Rays, Mariners and Braves, and a batting average right around .250.
http://atlanta.braves.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=119853
I wasn’t asking for a comparison between Canizares and Norton, I was asking where you saw the consistent power? 19 homers in 736 AAA at bats over parts of 3 years is hardly consistent.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Pardon me, sir, for failing to respond precisely and exactly to your question.
Not be unduly argumentative, of course, but the original point and what I was alluding to once again was that what we are addressing here is – ultimately – entirely speculative projections: What could Canizares as a big right handed hitter potentially contirbute to the team versus what Norton could potentially contribute.
Right handed power hitting appears to be a serious weakness. Adding Canizares to the roster might be significantly helpful. Or not.
Regardless, if Canizares were to be added, obviously someone would have to come off. Who? I was suggesting the possibility of Norton for the reasons previously expressed. Actually, I’d just as soon keep Norton and jettison Anderson, but that is a diffferent topic and seems improbable at this point in time.
Is it any less improbable that Norton might be cut loose to make room for Canizares. No, not in all realistic likelihood given what we know of Wren and Cox’s MO, but since I don’t see the status quo as good enough to compete for the playoffs, I have tried to make the case for change.
My position is logical and coherent in my view, but apparently nonsensical in yours. We differ. So be it.
So…you still haven’t defended your position that Canizares has shown consistent power. Great.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
How about Barbaro Canizares?
6’3" 210, Bats: R Throws: R, 29 yr old Cuban defector signed by Braves inFeb ’06. Since then, he has put up numbers that look like those of a professional, middle of the lineup hitter, to include the following at the AAA level:
G AB H 2B 3B HR RBI AVG OPS
197 736 325 46 1 19 109 .324 (approx) .835
To you, is consistent power measured only by homeruns or would you concede that extra-base hits, OPS and RBIs (among other markers) have some modicum of relevance?
Yeah, all that stuff has relevance, but I’m still not seeing the consistency. He’s done this over parts of three seasons that equate to a little more than one full season. Hard to show consistency when you only have that much time to judge it.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
"He’s not ready for the leadoff spot yet."
I tend to agree with you, but do you think that if someone is trying too hard, hitting in front of the pitcher is a bad place to be, because you’re going to see a lot of junk off the plate? Whereas the leadoff spot is in front of someone better, so the pitcher might be less inclined to throw a bunch of balls—in the off chance the batter might lay off.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
That’s certainly one school of thought. I’ll play devil’s advocate if you permit, which is that hitting in front of the pitcher doesn’t give Schafer alot of pitches to hit which should results in a shit ton of walk, not strikeouts. If his K:BB was alot closer to 1 I’d be more inclined to bump him up in the order.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions
Names brought up thusfar
Greg Norton – Pinch-hitter (extraordinaire), switch hits (although hits better from LH than RH), has power, also can play 1B and LF
Barbaro Canizares – plays only 1B, does not have the speed to go into the OF, bats RH, good power, good average
Gregor Blanco – LF/CF option, good OBP, takes walks kills, decent speed. Bats lefty, but has no power
As it stands now, despite Norton’s current struggles, it looks like Bobby is going to stick with him because one, he thinks he’ll come back, and two, his defensive versatility is more valued than his hitting. He’s the only semblance to a backup 1B on the squad right now (Prado, only if Bobby wants to overload on RH bats), and with Chipper often apt to go down, Infante’s more liable to be a 3B replacement over a LF replacement, making Norton that much more valuable there. GAnderson’s status also solidifies Norton’s position as well.
I wouldn’t object to Blanco because I like his OBP and ability to take walks kills, and to some degree, I wouldn’t mind Canizares either, because I like what I’ve seen in person and his numbers. But Bobby likes versatility, and Norton’s ability to play both those positions make him more in favor of Bobby’s wants. But I still think it’s a tad early, and I’ll wait until May and hope that Norton can start getting some hits in. After than, then I’m personally more apt to jump on the Barbaro wagon.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Good point about their respective defensive attributes.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly the reason I don’t think Carnizares will get called up, he’s not as versatile as Norton. This is also why I think if anything, Blanco would get called up before Carnizares because Blanco can play mutliple OF positions, has speed and has a good OBP.
I’d still like to see Carnizares in the Bigs though.
I’d like to see Carnizares in the league too, we can definitely agree on that. What I’m most curious about is when Leon hopefully goes on the DL in the coming days…who comes up? Barton, Blanco, or B. Jones?
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m going to pull the versatility card out again, and say Blanco. That way, Bobby can use Blanco to spell Schafoeur for a day or so, and have Diaz/Blanco play LF/CF, and subsequently make bigjoe pound his fists in frustration at not bringing up Bjönes.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Barton’s supposed to be able to play all three OF positions and has a decent walk rate himself…could be interesting.
Braves 2009 offense: in play, out(s)
Braves 2009 bullpen: in play, run(s)
by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 23, 2009 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
From what I’ve seen, Canizares looks like he’s got American League DH written all over him. His footwork didn’t look all that great, and I’m not the only one who can attest to his slow foot speed. At his current age though, I’m hoping he’ll peak his MAN-POWER by 30 and be capable of at least 25 jacks, but as cb says above, his track record doesn’t make it look too possible.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
My understanding is Norton is considered average defensively at 1B and below average defensively in LF.
Is this right or wrong?
I can agree with that. I think too often, his defensive prowess is mistaken in LF because of his highlight reel of awkward diving catches that are mostly result of him being on a bad route and recovering luckily.
But on a long enough timeline, in the theoretic “if he played every day” scenario, I’d be willing to also say that he’s below-average at 1B too, if I had to watch him man the position daily.
It’s the simple fact that Norton can play both positions to some capacity is why Bobby would probably favor him above all others, in my thoughts.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Antonio Pérez?
He is a speedster, and he led the Dodgers in stolen bases in ‘05 (11) … Only a suggestion, but I’d be interested in learning more about him.
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
Washed up. Was never as good as advertised anyway. His only notable thing is that he was traded for Lou Pinella.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Yeah ...
this is hard though. It is sort of hard to pinpoint players worth a write up who aren’t already on the prospect radar. Know what I’m saying?
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
Oh, I hear you. I was just trying to give a quick answer about him. That’s what I’ve seen of him. He’s one of those guys who I was shocked when I checked his stats and he had that much time in the bigs; I didn’t even know he played for Oakland.
I think there are a fair amount of guys, like Perez, who are worth having a little discussion about. I’m sure yodaime14 is gonna pick out some good ones for us.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Oh, I feel you ...
He did manage to hang around for a while, but you’re absolutely right, it looks like his speed was all he ever had … and w/ age, well, ask Ricky Henderson.
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.

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