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Revising the Braves' top prospects list

Talking Chop 2009 Top Prospects

 

1      Jason Heyward, OF
2      Tommy Hanson, RHP
3      Jordan Schafer, OF
4      Freddie Freeman, 1B
5      Tyler Flowers, C
6      Cole Rohrbough, LHP
7      Gorkys Hernandez, OF
8      Jeff Locke, LHP
9      Kris Medlen, RHP
10    Julio Teheran, LHP
11    Jon Gilmore, 3B
12    Brandon Hicks, SS
13    Cody Johnson, OF
14    Craig Kimbrel, RHP
15    Eric Campbell, 3B
16    Brett DeVall, LHP
17    Edgar Osuna, LHP
18    Todd Redmond, RHP
19    Brent Lillibridge, SS
19    Kala Ka'aihue, 1B
21    Travis Jones, 2B
22    Scott Diamond, LHP
23    Zeke Spruill, RHP
24    Eric Cordier, RHP
25    James Parr, RHP
25    Steve Evarts, LHP

Star-divide

This is always an interesting topic.

This website maintains a carefully-considered list of top minor league prospects.    I have pasted the current list below....

 

Talking Chop 2009 Top Prospects

 

1      Jason Heyward, OF
2      Tommy Hanson, RHP
3      Jordan Schafer, OF
4      Freddie Freeman, 1B
5      Tyler Flowers, C
6      Cole Rohrbough, LHP
7      Gorkys Hernandez, OF
8      Jeff Locke, LHP
9      Kris Medlen, RHP
10    Julio Teheran, LHP
11    Jon Gilmore, 3B
12    Brandon Hicks, SS
13    Cody Johnson, OF
14    Craig Kimbrel, RHP
15    Eric Campbell, 3B
16    Brett DeVall, LHP
17    Edgar Osuna, LHP
18    Todd Redmond, RHP
19    Brent Lillibridge, SS
19    Kala Ka'aihue, 1B
21    Travis Jones, 2B
22    Scott Diamond, LHP
23    Zeke Spruill, RHP
24    Eric Cordier, RHP
25    James Parr, RHP
25    Steve Evarts, LHP

 

 

This seems like a good time to attempt a revision of the list.

Jordan Schafer is the Braves' starting center fielder; thus, no longer a prospect.  Tyler Flowers, Brent Lillibridge, and Jon Gilmore were traded in the offseason.  Julio Teheran was shut down last September with shoulder soreness, which might or might not indicate a setback.    Steve Evarts will miss the 2009 season following Tommy John surgery.  Erik Cordier reportedly has an injury to his pitching hand, which might be one too many injuries for a kid who has already fallen several years behind in his development.  

So here's my current list, and I'm sure some of you will have your own ideas.

 

1.  Tommy Hanson rhp

2.  Jason Heyward of

3.  Freddie Freeman 1b

4.  Cole Rohrbough lhp

5.  Jeff Locke lhp

6.  Kris Medlen rhp

7.  Gorkys Hernandez of

8.  Jo Jo Reyes lhp

9   Charlie Morton rhp

10. Edgar Osuna lhp

11. Brandon Hicks ss

12. Zeke Spruill rhp

13. Bret DeVall lhp

14. David Francis rhp

15. Julio Teheran rhp

16  JJ Hoover rhp

17. Randy Gress ss

18. Eric Campbell 3b

19. Craig Kimbrel rhp

20. Stephen Marek rhp

21. Brandon Jones of

22. Cody Johnson of

23. Luis Sumoza of

24. Scott Diamond lhp

25. Kala Ka'aihue 1b

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I would probably have Hicks in the top ten now.

by KC Ryan on Apr 14, 2009 11:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JoJo and Charlie are still prospects?

by drumzalicious on Apr 14, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I would put Gorkys a little lower on the list and move Marek, Johnson, Kimbrel and Jones up. Unless this is a list of who is the most “major league ready” players, then I guess they are fine where they are.

Penis

by justincredubil02 on Apr 14, 2009 12:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Can’t argue too much with your list…..the top ten looks good, although I bet you’ll get some heat for not having Teheran in there. I personally wouldn’t either – yet – , and neither would I put last year’s draft guys in the top ten yet (Spruill, DeVall). So all in all, looks good to me.
Hicks and Campbell are both enigmas. Somebody has to step up and be our 3rd baseman of the future, and neither guy looks ready to do that. My vote is still with Hicks. Maybe we’ll solve that problem via trade, or maybe something big will happen on the farm this year. Who knows.

by secondbass on Apr 14, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I agree with everything you say here. Would love to see Teheran earn a higher spot on this list, but just can’t see where he has done that yet.

by Messenger on Apr 14, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to believe that Hicks has much more value as a shortstop. He won the Defensive Player of the year in the Carolina league. Maybe we move him over there but I say we should leave him at SS until we absolutely have to move him. His trade value will be much, much higher as a power hitting, slick fielding SS.

by KC Ryan on Apr 14, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think we can change it just yet since most of these guys didn’t get much work in major league camp during the spring, and the minor league season is maybe 3 or 4 games old…wait until the ASB

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by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 12:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

they have Yuengling at PNC thats all I needed to know.

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yuengling is disgusting. I had a sample of the Light a few months ago, and almost threw up on the poor girl at the kiosk

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
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by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

1. You’re from PA, of course you’re biased against Yuengling
2. Yuengling Light sucks balls, but regular is still good to me

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Apr 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 14, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You’re a gay. I’m drinking a Leinie right now and its wonderful. Are you gonna be the guy in Baltimore who goes straight for a bright red bottle of Bud as opposed to going to a microbrew stand?

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club

by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m drinking a Leinie right now and its wonderful.
by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 1:48 PM EDT

lol

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Apr 14, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I’m on my second one…I have 2 classes left in the day. My night class features a woman I’m talking to, and I need to let my balls drop a little more. Plus, my nerves will be shot because I’ll be checking my phone for updates on the game every 10 seconds. Yeah. That reminds me, I should charge my battery.

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club

by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A woman?

Cougars! Pictures, Images and Photos

Is it Cougar hunting season already?

"Ohhhh Shit."-Bobby Cox, 3/28/09

by 10-4 on Apr 14, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I drank during the day in college, too. I had my own bathroom freshman year in the dorms and it had a shelf where I could put forties when I showered. By the time I was a senior I was sweating out whiskey in the back of the morning classes.

by Euruproktos on Apr 14, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I miss those days…

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 14, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Leinie…. i told u man sooooo goood

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Apr 14, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Summer Shandy…very nice. I was gonna buy the Sunset Wheat, then I read online that it tasted like Fruity Pebbles…so yeah.

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club

by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ya not as big of a fan of the sunset wheat..but its ok

Honey Weiss is another delicious one

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Apr 14, 2009 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember you saying that, and I don’t think I saw it at my distributor. Is it a seasonal brew?

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club

by bigjoe on Apr 15, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no but summer shandy is and i find it odd that u found it…i dont have it at the supermarket i get it from usually…I wouldnt call Honey Weiss seasonal but i think its easier to find in the summer, but I know in wisconsin it is around year round

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Apr 15, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Real weird that a distributor in south central PA would have any Leinie, let alone about 6-8 different kinds, but whatever

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club

by bigjoe on Apr 15, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats a pretty good list in my opinion. Morton, Reyes, and B. Jones don’t qualify as prospects anymore. I’d say Osuna is too high and C. Johnson is too low.

Randy Gress isn’t a prospect. He has a career .482 OPS and is 24 and hasn’t played above A-ball. Schafer still qualifies as a prospect as he has 23 big league at bats and its not a forgone conclusion that he is in the bigs to stay.

Randall Delgado, Jacob Thompson, Daniel Matra, Christian Betancourt, Richard Sullivan, Travis Jones should be in consideration too.

"for my little nephew: in my second drawer where i keep my weed, under the handgun is a stack of pornos that will put callouses on your hands"

"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless"

"You wanna know about relationships, I know all there is to know – just ask my second wife Tina – yea she was a stripper and if Montel Williams wants to talk some shit some more then he can go f**k himself cause those charges were dropped."

-Kenny Powers

by jeg on Apr 14, 2009 12:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you Randy Gress’ brother? I love the guy, but come on.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Apr 14, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Gress is probably a top candidate to be released. No bat whatsoever

"for my little nephew: in my second drawer where i keep my weed, under the handgun is a stack of pornos that will put callouses on your hands"

"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless"

"You wanna know about relationships, I know all there is to know – just ask my second wife Tina – yea she was a stripper and if Montel Williams wants to talk some shit some more then he can go f**k himself cause those charges were dropped."

-Kenny Powers

by jeg on Apr 14, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s a fine backup infielder, and who knows, sometimes those guys end up getting a shot in the bigs as a backup, but to put him on a prospect list, above Cody Johnson, is silly.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Apr 14, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What if he answered, “Yes, he is my brother?”

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 14, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think I would pee myself a little (from laughing this time)

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually, I’ve met Randy’s brother…

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Apr 14, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why doesn’t that surprise me????

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 14, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cause I’m awesome.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Apr 14, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

exactly.

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 14, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just realized how low you have Cody Johnson. I know he strikes out a lot…but really?

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
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by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Cody Johnson

It’s time for everyone to get realistic about Cody. Being a first round draft choice obviously does not guarantee a prospect will ever sniff The Show….

Troy Cameron
Matt Butler
Jamie Arnold
Jacob Shumate

Sure, Cody Johnson has a ton of power. But he struck out 177 times in 468 ABs at Rome in 2008. 177 times. That’s a remarkable statistic. Someone show me another player who struck out 177 times in a single season of low-A ball and subsequently became a successful major league player. Frankly, I thought I was being generous in listing him at #22.

by Messenger on Apr 14, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about Mike Stanton, who also struck out an ungodly number of times, and is a big time prospect with Florida?

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by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ryan Howard struck out 145 times in A ball, then 151 the next year in high A, and 166 between AA and AAA the next. Howard was 21, 22, and 23 in those seasons. Cody was 19 all of last season. Chris Davis struck out 123 times in 418 AB’s in A ball and again he was 21. Davis is a young big leaguer who had some success last season and was a top prospect.

Personally, I don’t think striking out 145 times being old for the league isn’t all that different from striking out 177. Cody doesn’t have a high probability of reaching his ceiling but he has an exceptional ceiling and has shown some signs of life. I’d say he has a better chance of being a good big leaguer than Osuna and Gress without question.

"for my little nephew: in my second drawer where i keep my weed, under the handgun is a stack of pornos that will put callouses on your hands"

"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless"

"You wanna know about relationships, I know all there is to know – just ask my second wife Tina – yea she was a stripper and if Montel Williams wants to talk some shit some more then he can go f**k himself cause those charges were dropped."

-Kenny Powers

by jeg on Apr 14, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That “don’t think… isn’t all that different” double negative was a typo.

"for my little nephew: in my second drawer where i keep my weed, under the handgun is a stack of pornos that will put callouses on your hands"

"Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless"

"You wanna know about relationships, I know all there is to know – just ask my second wife Tina – yea she was a stripper and if Montel Williams wants to talk some shit some more then he can go f**k himself cause those charges were dropped."

-Kenny Powers

by jeg on Apr 14, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the problem with Johnson there is that he still posted an ISO of .225 and he had an OPS of almost 1.000 in the second half of the season. He is a boom or bust guy and deserves to be ranked accordingly.

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Needs to get that walk rate up

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 14, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what walk rate?

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Johnson…his walk rate last year was 7.9%. If he’s gonna be a TTO kind of guy he needs to get that up quite a bit.

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 14, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you missed it. FAIL

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahahaha

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 14, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m lost…

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 14, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was implying that there was no walk rate to behold

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
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by bigjoe on Apr 14, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1 for observation. Even when drink since 1:48

by yondaime4 on Apr 15, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Even when drink since 1:48

Hahahaha. South Carolina.

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 15, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hey I didn’t say he was the only one.

by yondaime4 on Apr 15, 2009 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who ever said that was drink 1?

SWAGGA LIKE...whoever the fuck is not walking people
President, CEO, and chairman of the Brandon Jones fan club

by bigjoe on Apr 15, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lame

You can't sit on a lead and run a few plays into the line and just kill the clock. You've got to throw the ball over the goddamn plate and give the other man his chance. That's why baseball is the greatest game of them all.

by Smoltz's Beard on Apr 15, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Can’t we just wait until the middle of the year to redo this list. I find this a horrible time to redo this list. We traditionally do prospect lists at the All-Star break and the end of the season.

by gondeee on Apr 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Apologies

Yesterday was an off day. It’s always a popular topic, and one time is as arbitrary as another. I didn’t see the harm.

by Messenger on Apr 14, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

somewhere in bumfuck, South Carolina

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Apr 14, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

listen you lay off my home state.

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, why lives in South Carolina???

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 14, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOPS!! Fail! Who lives in South Carolina?

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL people that can type!

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess so…stupid talking on the phone at work while trying to make fun of people online. Work really cuts into my free time.

As much as we love it, baseball is just a game. Rest In Peace Nick Adenhart.

by mvandonsel on Apr 14, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Work is bullshit. It should be outlawed.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Apr 14, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Apparently none of us who grew up there!

yeah the other 96 is that I am too good for everyone else.

by Lizziebeth on Apr 14, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL I’d still live there if work didn’t pick me up and move me other places randomly

by yondaime4 on Apr 14, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm

I have a lead on a job that would take me back there, and I have to say I’m less than thrilled at the prospect. I guess it’s just a long-standing mental block against the proximity of the bomb plant, ‘cause otherwise it’s a pleasant enough area. The rec center alone is the best thing that city’s town’s ever done.

yeah the other 96 is that I am too good for everyone else.

by Lizziebeth on Apr 18, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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