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An Idea For Hanson

Why not put him in the Major League pen?  Just an idea so please don't blast me like we did that guy who proposed the Alex Gordon trade.  Is there anything else he can do in the minors other than put more pitches on his arm?  With Jo Jo pitching the way he has signing Glavine is an additional thing to put on Wren's con list.  I love Tommy as much as anyone but holy crap we have 7 major league pitchers.  Not including Campillo. 

Just saying trot him out every three days pitcher two or so innings.  As soon as there is an injury pop him right in there.

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I don’t want Hanson to stop starting games. That’s an easy way for him to lose stamina. Joba Chamberlain started in the bullpen with the Yankees and he had to be sent down for a month to get back into starting shape.

SubParr

by nick9314 on Mar 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah plus I agree with the notion that by him starting at AAA he has a chance to avoid the opening day hooplah and get acclimated to starting every 5th day. This way when we need someone to come up he will be in a groove from getting his first taste of AAA ball.

I understand the excitement of wanting to see him. But the more you try to force it, the greater the chance of dissappointment. Let him develop.

by Fischerking on Mar 26, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

The best reason why

Here is the best reason why you don’t start Hanson in the big leagues, SUPER TWO. You don’t want to have a Ryan Howard type situation and he end up as a super two player after next season and you end up paying him 5-7 million instead of 750k. By the way Howard got 10 million as a super two player.

by mauck98 on Mar 28, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think

You liked Adam Wainwright and David Price too much to suggest this. The Cards and Rays seemed to do the “put the pitching prospect star in the bullpen,” because they saw a good opportunity for the young guys to face some real pressure, and they needed the extra help. I also see Maddon and LaRussa as the eclectic types who think bringing in talented pitchers with little scouting on them is beneficial going into the playoffs. It worked for them, but I’d rather the Braves not try it.

I think Hanson is going to be kept in AAA because he is groomed as a starting pitcher, and nothing but. Keeping him on a starter’s schedule and rotation is good for the time being, because it gives him plenty of opportunity to iron out any potential problems, and keeping him stretched out for his inevitable call-up to the big show later on during the season.

Considering the question marks surrounding the Braves’ #5 starting spot, it’s going to be nice to have a no-stretching necessary starter in Hanson to plug right in, if/when Glavine, Jo-Jo, or Morton does not work.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 26, 2009 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Waste of service time

I’d much rather have him from 2010-2015 as a starter than 2009 as a reliever and 2010-2014 as a starter.

And like other people said, conditioning him to a reliever and reconditioning him back to a starter will cause problems.

by VictorW on Mar 26, 2009 11:15 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm not saying that I agree with red rocket up there, but

the Twins did a good job bringing Johan Santana to the majors as a reliver, then a starter…

...catsports...

by bwellnjonesco on Mar 26, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t think the Twins knew what they had when he was a reliever – he was just some random Rule 5 Draftee who they kept giving more innings as he continued to pitch well. Plus, I think he was a long reliever, going three and four innings at a time – so he was still stretched out.

I hope the Braves are super conservative with Hanson. I like that they’re going to monitor his innings and keep his service time to the Braves full advantage. It’s not a bad idea if we were about to work on our 18th straight division title, but I’d rather not risk anything potentially unnecessary. I really do wonder what we’re going to do if all five of our starting pitchers are healthy and good, not likely but still possible. I guess it’s not a bad thing to keep Hanson in the minors one more year, the more monitoring the better with Hanson.

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by beeniez on Mar 26, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Ideas that are...

Bad.

This is one of those.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on Mar 26, 2009 1:38 PM EDT reply actions  

It's not a horrible idea....

but, the rest of these guys are right. Hanson will be a starter sometime this season and it’s in ours and his best interest to keep him in starter mental and physical form. I don’t think Hanson will be the first called up this year but he will eventually get to the MLB. Kawakami will probably only get 140-160 innings this year and Glavine could lose it anyday.

I won’t lie that I’ve considered mentioning Hanson as the 2009 closer but thought better of it. If hanson doesn’t pan out as a starter (unlikely) we could always give him a shot at being a closer. Hopefully that day never comes.

by Charmin519 on Mar 26, 2009 3:05 PM EDT reply actions  

I would

rather see Jo-Jo come in as a reliever,only because our lefties have been hit around this spring.

by KAPTHENEWBIE on Mar 26, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t change the fact that it would be beneficial for nearly all parties involved.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on Mar 26, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Cut Logan put Glavine in the pen. So help me god if he screws us over I will end Boone Logan!

by Bmacbandwagon on Mar 26, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

for the thousandth time… a LOOGY displays significant splits (speciifcally against LHP) Glavine has never really shown this. unless u want to add to our long list of long men, glavine is a starter and will always be a starter

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Mar 26, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know. I’m just scared about our middle relief

by Bmacbandwagon on Mar 26, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully the spring training jitters from our relivers as of late will dissipate once the season starts

by Bmacbandwagon on Mar 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you

I think Reyes has the stuff to be a quality No.3 starter but if he doesn’t develop into his potential he can definitely fit into the bullpen. Reyes in the bullpen this year is not a bad idea but we would reduce his value without giving him another shot at what he’s been groomed to be.

I can easily see Reyes in the bullpen full time next year IF he’s still around.

by Charmin519 on Mar 26, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rays only put David Price in the bullpen to help win the world series. No way we waste an extra year of arbitration for Hanson so he can pitch in the bullpen.

SIGN WILL OHMAN.

Be quick, but don't hurry.

by bravesfansc on Mar 26, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh, it worked okay for Johan Santana

But then again, there was definite room in the ‘pen for him, as well as a real need. Tommy Hanson isn’t needed by the big league club yet—he’s a luxury that’s nice to have waiting in the wings.

by FineHamAbounds on Mar 27, 2009 1:59 AM EDT reply actions  

He was a rule 5 pickup at that point if I’m not mistaken; so they had to give him a roster spot. Johan was never really a big prospect.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on Mar 27, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Johan wasn't really ready to hold down a rotation spot but they had to put him somewhere on the 25 man. from there he progressed pretty well over the next 2 seasons.

by yondaime4 on Mar 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is a totally different scenario though.

If we HAD to put THK on the 25 man roster to be able to keep him. I’d be all over sticking him in the pen. As it is, it serves no benefit for him to pitch out of the pen when he hasn’t pitched AAA yet, and needs to keep his arm stretched out for starting as he’s either option 1A or 1B should when (that’s not even an if) the injury bug attacks the starting rotation.

Tommy Hanson 4 ROY

by timmy3 on Mar 29, 2009 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible Idea

But thanks for trying. It would be boring if we didn’t have bad ideas around here.

by KC Ryan on Mar 27, 2009 7:28 AM EDT reply actions  

well my feelings are hurt

nah not really but like I said it was an idea. But I wonder what happens if all five pitchers play well going into July.

by rocket8188 on Mar 27, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions  

One Scenario

The one scenario I could see that happening is like the Price scenario where one of the Braves releivers gets hurt late in the season and the braves are in the hunt for the post season. If they need the best arm available for a short stint…in the big league bullpen…fine. That would make sense. He goes up and make 15-20 appearances in relief…if he is effective he helps the club and get some experience. However, they won’t move him to the bullpen this year without a collapse of the pen late in the season.

by calbers on Mar 30, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

You really think that he’ll still be in the minors that late in the season?

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

No Way...

They won’t keep him there too long with a 0.00 ERA…

...catsports...

by bwellnjonesco on Mar 30, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where is he going to get a spot in the ML rotation?

Between Bobby’s famous loyalty to his veterans, Hudson coming back, and the amount of money that we’re paying some of these guys, the chances aren’t too good, barring an injury. It’ll take one of our starters absolutely bombing to give him a chance.

by Lennox on Mar 30, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

you answered your own question

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

The way I look at it is this, if he doesn’t come up then that means there was no significant injury to our starters this year, which means we should have a pretty solid team. However, if somebody does go down then he will get the call and a chance to prove himself.

best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)

by mvandonsel on Mar 31, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stamina

I believe the main resign he will not be put in the bullpen would be him losing his stamina. He can right now probably go six innings very easily and a couple of months in triple A he should be able to hit 7 innings easy. If you throw him the bullpen for a couple of months and pitch him two to three innings ever now and then. He will start to lose his stamina for going deep in a game. Sure he would great in the bullpen and would be lights out for a couple of innings. But it is not not in his best interest to do that. he would be losing every thing he has built up.

SHAG23

by Shag23 on Mar 30, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

He doesn’t need to go to AAA to stretch himself out…he needs to go there to work on his command

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

It sounds like he doesn’t need to work on his command too much. He is pretty much lights out.

SHAG23

by Shag23 on Mar 30, 2009 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Once again your lack of common knowledge amazes me. Hanson walked 8 people in 15 innings this spring to go along with 2 HBP. He also walked over 40 people in something like 90 innings last season in AA. Extrapolate that over the course of the season and that’s a big problem.

The fact that he’s “pretty much lights out” has nothing to do with it.

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

“Lack of knowledge” don’t get me started on you again. Ill make you go cry to roy again like you did last time. You absolute amaze me, you will agree with me that Hanson doesn’t need to be in the bullpen and then in the same sentence start arguing about stamina and command. You will argue with a wall if you think you would win. I’m done talking to you.

SHAG23

by Shag23 on Mar 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Haha, you’re a fucking disaster. This never happened, btw:

…you will agree with me that Hanson doesn’t need to be in the bullpen and then in the same sentence start arguing about stamina and command

Nice try though.

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

“He doesn’t need to go to AAA to stretch himself out…he needs to go there to work on his command”

Ok let me brake this down for you so can understand.
“He doesn’t need to go to AAA to stretch himself out…he needs to go there to” – this means that you are agreeing with me that he needs to be in AAA Right Right. Then this means you don’t agree with me “he needs to go there to work on his command”.

Can you understand this now or do I need to talk slower so you can understand me. Now I’m done talking too you.

SHAG23

by Shag23 on Mar 30, 2009 4:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Somebody piss in your Cornflakes there fella? Jeez.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe you should “brake” this down even further, because I don’t see anything about the bullpen in my response to you. But yeah, you should just stop talking. It’ll be better for everyone on here.

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 30, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly,

I went back and read this conversation several more times and I have no idea what he is talking about, or why he is so pissed off.

Penis

by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s cool. If you’re unhappy with your real life the internet is a great place to go to pick a fight.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shag23: You are shunned!
Smoltz’s Beard: I never said what you are saying I said
Shag23: Unshunned…yes you did! Shunned again.

Penis

by justincredubil02 on Mar 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

^^

Shunned again Reshunned!

best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)

by mvandonsel on Mar 31, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

The whole thread is about putting him pen. It says it in the first sentence, god your dumb.

SHAG23

by Shag23 on Mar 30, 2009 4:59 PM EDT reply actions  

+1, nice.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Mar 30, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow…is this your new boyfriend? GOOD WORK!

JUST KIDDING!!!

best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)

by mvandonsel on Mar 31, 2009 12:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

You give me no credit...

that’s the ex-b/f! Gawd!
;]
And I did the tat…

by Lizziebeth on Mar 31, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

wait...
And I did the tat…

You are a tattoo artist?

best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)

by mvandonsel on Mar 31, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

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