Detroit (2)??? SOBER VERSION.
by Charmin519 on Mar 21, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
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It’s apparent that Detroit has a very weak starting rotation this year. With Verlander, Jackson, and possibly Bonderman leading the rotation it’s apparent that Detroit needs help. Despite their horrible rotation they still have a very potent lineup that will keep them in games.
As everyone knows, the city of Detroit is struggling and ticket revenues are somewhat of an unknown in 2009. Typically, you keep your payroll within 10% of revenue in order to establish a conservative business model that is still profitable. Detroit’s starting payroll will be $120 Million. Revenue’s realistically might be $100 Million and therefore the tigers are putting themselves at risk.
With the current economical conditions it would be in Detroit’s best interest to explore any moves possible to lower payroll and bring in prospects and young mlb ready pitching like Jackson (Jackson is not great but he accomplishes what they need).
Now, what FAT can be trimmed in order to accomplish the above mentioned plan?
Ordonez is due 15-18 million and has a 3 million dollar buyout next year. He has two years of options at 15 million and needs to be moved despite his productivity. If Detroit eats 7 Million of the contract for 2009 they would have numerous suitors with young talent.
Sheffield is due 13 million and can still hit. Yes, his stat’s are down but he is still a viable impact player. Once again, Detroit should eat half of his contract and move him. He’s useless to them and they could bring in young cheaper talent.
Guillen 10,13,13 million threw 2011 can be moved
Polanco should have been an offseason trade to the Cardinals, Dodgers, or Angles. All of those teams have good farm systems and would have helped the tigers in the long term.
Unfortunately, the tigers hype last year is very similar to Dontrelle Willis career in Detroit. There was potential for big things. It didn’t work but everyone decided to be patient and let themselves work out. Now on the dawn of the 2009 season it looks as if they need to make hard decisions and move on.
Are there any Detroit pieces worth Reyes, Morton, Brandon Jones, Josh Anderson, Blanco, Parr, etc…..Would Wren trade for Ordonez with a 10 million dollar tag that has options for two years? Yes, those options are pricey but it gives Wren flexibility with bringing up our young OF talent like Jason. He also brings exactly what we lack (Right handed power bat).
Should the Wren make the call?
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The Braves are done
Wren will make exactly zero moves that add payroll. Maybe if we are in contention he might make a trade around the deadline for 2-3 million addition but even that is questionable with the economy.
Are you still Drunk
This post was a dumb as the last one. If we didnt have five million for Bobby Abreu then what makes you think we have ten for any of the detriot suck tigers. Second I cant tell if you are a tigers fan or a braves fan. We dont want any of the terriable contracts coming out of Detriot or do we want to give them any of our prospects.
You are too much.
I’m not talking about the whole fucking farm system cunt. Just fucking reply you ass cunt. If Wren didn’t make shit happen for Ordonez for 7-8 million then he should have his nuts cut off. If you don’t think we can stretch some money or cut payroll then your as big of an ass as you claim I am. There’s always a way to make something happen if you want it. My question was do we want it? Your answer was no. So back off with your sassy remarks. Stop being a cunt and just answer the fucking question without trying to look funny for the other guys on this board.
Every fucking day you guys get all excited to smell your own assholes. There are only 11 of you that are actually very knowledgeable on this board. The rest claim that their shit is made of gold. I don’t pretend to be an analyzer of the sport like some of you cunts. There’s guys on here that actually just copy and paste shit and act like they deserve a fucking medal. So take a big whiff of your anal rim and tell me if stinks this time “that a boy”.
bigjoe has been chosen, he is…bigjoe0011
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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 23, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Dropping the "C Bomb" 4 times in one post ...
W-O-W
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
That kind of foul language reminds me of Deadwood.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 23, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions
Classy as always.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Hopefully you read a little further down but your right I'm too blunt and lack eloquence.
Your one of the 11
This is like on Lost with the Oceanic Six.
We know two of the “Charmin519 11”…who are the rest? Let the speculation begin!
"Break's over"
You wouldn’t happen to know if he is going in order #11-1 do you? I’m afraid I’ll miss one, then I would totally be pessed off betches.
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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 23, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Not in order.
CBwilk is up there and Big Joe and Beard are 10 and 11. Funny thing is one of my first post on this board i went back and forth with cbwilk about Mike Hampton. It got real real real real real real real real real real real ugly. I think CB will always judge me on that one argument and probably wishes I die on a daily basis. Obviously, I differ on major philosophical stances with him but it’s easy to see he knows what he’s talking about when in comes to the braves and the minor leagues. So he’s a top 11 type guy.
Yes, I know CB!!!!!!!!!!! My opinion of you doesn’t matter but for what it’s worth I’ll give you props despite our first horrible encounter.
I had completely forgotten about it. I’m reading this post and I’m like “Um, when did that happen?” But yeah, that’s cool, I appreciate it. When you stick to the topic of baseball, I very much enjoy your posts.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Are you a scout or something???
I just looked at your other post in “Possible Trades” in regards to Getz. You mentioned that you spoke with his coaches. Who?What? When?
I actually gave you that compliment about minor leagues based on your responses and didn’t realize you talk to coaches.
Dude, I talk to everybody. I get autographs and pretty much everybody has some kind of cards, so I end up talking to everybody. I’ve seen Getz play for Charlotte, Winston-Salem, Birmingham, and Kannapolis over the course of a few years, so that’s a number of his games I’ve seen (the most with Charlotte) and a few different managers and coaches that I’ve talked to about him (Marc Bombard loves the guy).
I love baseball, I love going to games, and I love getting autographs, so that all works in the favor it getting so see a lot of guys play and talk a lot of baseball and hear a lot of different perspectives.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
The 11 is only my opnion and there are some guys not in the 11......
but are pretty damn good at what they do. Not everyone outside the (11) is a “kevin hart” as described above. For example: I would say you and Roy Hobbs are legit resources on this board. You both provide some damn good stuff but others stand out more and therefore you barely get booted from the 11. It’s kinda like B. Jones this year. He’s got it. Every one knows it but we got a few guys that just stand out a little more.
Fair Enough
Honestly, I didn’t think I would even be considered because I really don’t say a lot.
So, thanks.
"Break's over"
Nice Vegas. You got BJones…Big Joe is probably upset about that…
And by the way, I think Roy Hobbs getting booted from the 11 is the biggest pile of crap/controversy that the Charmin519’s Annual TC Top 11 Rankings have ever seen.
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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 23, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
He was 12 when I quickly thought of the 11 during the original post.
I made it 11 because I completely forgot about Vic W (which he’s a top guy) and I had already thought about Beard at that point and just added another to the 10.
Thanks for clearing that up, I was about to complain!
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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 23, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
This whole conversation makes me think we should do a poll or a contest or something where we all vote on the who’s the top poster on TC.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
All you have to do is look back in September when the open threads were nothing big bigjoe talking to himself about how nobody but him was the only one posting during the games.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Mar 23, 2009 4:08 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
Man I love Joe. I’m really hoping everything works out for the Baltimore series.
I don’t think I posted in one game thread all year…I’m always at a game.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
Are you serious?
The day that I should be seen as a viable resource for Atlanta Braves baseball is the day that pigs fly.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Thats hard to believe...
I thought your new season schedule mousepad would push you into the top 50.
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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 23, 2009 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
You make it sound like golden shit is glorious!
Well, let me tell you something, buster: it hurts like hell coming out! So, until you’ve walked a mile in another man’s shoes (or crapped gold bullion into his toilet, as the case may be), I suggest that you shut your trap! Good day, sir!
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
less is more
as in I hope you get banned
I was championing Ordonez all Winter, but it’s pretty clear we’re out of money, hence G. Anderson. If we didn’t have 10M for Dunn, why would we have 10M plus prospects for Maggs?
You can’t throw a bunch of maginal prospects at a team and expect them to have the same value as one elite prospect. People do this all the time on mlbtr. Yeah, they would eat some of the money if you throw in a stud (Hanson/Heyward) which you already know won’t happen.
If you want me banned?
Then so be it. I’m not going to sit here and beg to stay in. I think this board has some really good discussions and I think there is a variety of fans that make it interesting. I apologize if the half ass attempts to be witty get “OLD” every once in awhile. I really just got pissed off by “that a boy” comments when my fanpost was not horrible. The board has been slow and I wanted to bring up a discussion about trades.
Obviously, trade rumors are starting to pop up and I thought Detroit was a team that could be a fit. Obviously, Maggs was not a good suggestion. However, the idea was to get others to answer with different ideas rather than bash mine. If you don’t think Detroit is a good trade partner, FINE!!!!!! It doesn’t affect me either way. The idea was to look at their team and their farm system and see if there are pieces to deal with.
There are plenty of people on this board that have the ability to look at Detroit and say, No, I don’t think their a good partner. They lack depth in their farm system and many of our extra arms are not worth their pricey bats. It’s not a good fit.
Instead you get the same rhetoric, Your a dumbass blah blah blah blah. Sorry, if the teenager negative and antagonistic tone gets old occasionally.
It's the variety of fans
That also brings abrasive rebuttals to ideas not their own. Not everyone is going to agree with someone else’s ideas, and sure, it would be nice if they offered counter-ideas, but it’s also not their obligation to do so if they don’t feel like it. It’s an unfortunate risk when taking the commendable notion to spark some conversation.
All I can really suggest to you is to roll with the punches, because it’s not like 80% of the people here haven’t been called a dumbass at some point, without having to resort to an inflammatory response with no less than eight references to genitalia.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Your completely right.
I don’t expect people to agree with me at all and it’s not their obligation to present different ideas. Just get’s old sometimes when the pointless babble is all you get. I thought the fanpost would bring up different trade partners and or positive/negatives with each partner. Should have structured my post differently rather than picking a poor example. However, I was trying to present a topic that could be discussed and develop into something worth while. It just didn’t happen that way.
Venting on message boards is not cool…
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by bwellnjonesco on Mar 23, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
"my fanpost was not horrible."
Yeah but awful might be the right word. It has already been said several times that the braves for one have no money left, and two that they don’t want to add anymore outfielders. Your post was irrelevant. The Tigers farm system ranks 27th did you read that before you posted this. So why in the world would the Braves do the tigers a favor and ship our farm to help theirs. No thanks!!!!! We got over on the Tigers when we got J.J and Hernandez from them. You see who the trade helped. I do however apologize if I pissed you off but your post sucked and I am just being honest. And Cunt is such a cool word dude!!!
Personally I think the C word is the most deragatory out there.
I only use it on special occasions. I mean you hear the F bomb and others everyday but the C word seems to hit a nerve with most people.
Probably wasn’t the best suggestion on a trade partner but I was explaining my drunk thought process from my truly horrible post earlier.
When I was in 4th grade this chick in my class told me about it after she overheard her elder sibling use it. Needless to say, when I went home that day and asked my mom what it meant she wasn’t happy.
by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 23, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t think dudes care so much about that word……but a female will f’in kill you if you call her that!
+1
I joke around with my wife and call her a bitch, but I’d never use the C-word. Even as a joke, I’m likely to lose my testicles.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
+1
Yeah, no way in hell that word comes up when I’m talking to my wife. Even if we’re exceptionally pissed at each other, I’m not an idiot.
"Break's over"
wait, most of you guys are married???
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stewart Mill-
by justincredubil02 on Mar 27, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
we should vote
worst derrogatory word:
Cunt or Twat.
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stewart Mill-
by justincredubil02 on Mar 27, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ass-kisser
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Mar 24, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
If he and Gondee aren't in the 11 then who is????
Ass kissing would be if he didn’t ask and I still said it.
Just so those who hate me feel some satisfaction.
I was officially warned this past log-in. I’m sure I only have one more strike. The Mike Hampton ordeal and now this. I’ll keep it C-word and F- bomb free for now on.
Does any one want to start a pool on who tries to antagonize me to snapped again? Of course it won’t happen but I got a feeling a couple of you will take pleasure in my next few posts.
Sure, I'll stir the pot...
You’re an a-hole and your mom/wife stinks like moldy cheese!
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
so....am i one of the 11?
probably not, since i was so against dunn…
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." -John Stewart Mill-
by justincredubil02 on Mar 27, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions
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