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Anyone looked at the final US roster? The line-up is solid, although the OF is a little short on power. The SP is what concerns me. After Oswalt and Peavy, you have Ted Lilly and Jeremy Guthrie. Where are Halladay, Webb, etc? I'd love to see Lincecum face off against Yu Darvish. This reeks of the last WBC where Willis and Leiter got pounded. Hopefully the ridiculous amount of closers will make up for the back of the rotation. US opens against a pretty decent Canada team on 3/7 at 2:00ET on ESPN.

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Power isn't so much of a concern

Japan small-balled their way to the championship back in 2006. I remember coming in late for the Japan/Cuba final, with Japan already having thrown up like 8 runs, thinking “who hit a home run?” Turns out, it was nobody. It was all good hitting, hit and runs, aggressive base-running, and sac flies.

I just hope the US doesn’t get humiliated by Canada like they did in 2006. That would suck to have to put up with while in Toronto.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 27, 2009 11:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I was just looking...

…at this yesterday, and was impressed by the lineup we ended up with. You’re right about the SP though…certainly could be an issue. I don’t know about you guys, but I’m pumped for next week…WBC and MLB 2K9.

Also, A-Rod is such a douche in those commercials acting like the heart and sould of the DR when just last year he was trying to please all the Americans. I hate that guy.

We should have signed Adam Dunn.

by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 27, 2009 12:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Ortiz and Pujols are sitting out to rehab, not enough people know Adrian Beltre, and nobody knows if Bartolo Colon is even still alive. Pedro Martinez doesn’t even have a team right now, so he couldn’t mention which team he plays for. Tejada and A-Rod are both juicers, but more people know A-Rod, and he’s a Yankee, so there you have it, your DR representative

I also liked how they managed to sneak in a minor leaguer from the River Dogs (Yankees-AA) in the commercial as well.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 27, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No, I get why they chose him as the representative…I just don’t get how the guy can sleep at night. He’s the type of person that I hate, completely fake and fickle to the bone.

We should have signed Adam Dunn.

by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 27, 2009 12:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

how A-Rod sleeps at night

in a bedroom worth more than your entire neighborhood dipped in gold. haha

does anybody think that ANY of these guys are sorry for what they did? of course not. They’re only sorry that the media and general public is making a big deal out of it. They still get to go home and hear their morning farts echoing through their 10-bedroom mansions

by RehabReject on Feb 27, 2009 1:19 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reminds me of the line from the Simpsons when Comic Book Guy asks Rainier Wolfcastle how he sleeps at night:

“On top of a big pile of money with many beautiful women”.

We should have signed Adam Dunn.

by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 27, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was just about to say that.

by Euruproktos on Feb 27, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why didn’t they just call him Arnold Schwarzanegger? It was even stranger in the movie. I liked McBain though.

by TradeAndruw on Feb 27, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

my eyes!

the goggles do naw-sing!

by RehabReject on Feb 27, 2009 6:08 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nathan & Ryan are out. This won’t end well.

SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES

by bigjoe on Mar 2, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

To make matters worse:

Their replacements: Joel Hanrahan and LaTroy Hawkins.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 2, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Man, you’re gonna have a great time in Toronto with the US clinging to a slim lead against Canada, and JOEL HANRAHAN comes in the slam the door.

SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES

by bigjoe on Mar 2, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I can’t wait. I’m not worried about the closer situation, there are other capable closing options – Jonathan Broxton, Heath Bell, Brian Fuentes, or even Brad Ziegler.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 2, 2009 11:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yeah – Putz. I’m willing to bet that he’s going to be the primary closer if need be.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 3, 2009 9:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Help for the power situation:

Dunn was added to the roster as well.

"Break's over"

by VegasAces on Mar 3, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Pretty happy to see that.

I'm not not licking toads...

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 3, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WBC ROSTUUURRRRBATION

Looking at the finalized US rosters, this is what I hope to see:

1. SS J. Rollins (S
2. 1B K. Youkillis (R
3. DH C. Jones (S
4. LF A. Dunn (L
5. 3B D. Wright (R
6. RF S. Victorino (S
7. 2B D. Pedroia (R
8. C B. McCann (L
9. CF C. Granderson (L

This is more or less a pipe-dream, because everyone knows Jeter is starting, to which I would then put Victorino to lead off with Jeter batting 9th, Heap taking 6th, making it entirely alternating L/R batters the whole way except for the switch-hitters.

What I like:
SPs Jake Peavy, Roy Oswalt. CL in Putz, with Broxton, Bell, and Fuentes setting up.

What I don’t like: SP Ted Lilly – maybe he’ll pitch fine in his old home, but I just don’t have a good feeling about him. Maybe its his history of tantrums and his overly-hot head. RPs LaTroy Hawkins, Joel Hanrahan. C Brian McCann as likely primary catcher; Heap is the last guy I want to see with WBC hangover this year.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 3, 2009 9:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Surprised you didn’t switch Pedroia and Youk

I'm not not licking toads...

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 3, 2009 9:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I always liked Youk’s higher OBP towards the top of the order, and my mentality was also if Granderson were to get on base, followed by Rollins, Youk’s got enough pop to be able to drive in some guys as well.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 3, 2009 9:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m certainly not one to argue against putting a high OBP/SLG guy at the top of the order, but Pedroia’s no slouch…375+ OBP the past two seasons. Either way, I’m loving the lineup we’re working with.

It’s just gonna suck when Jeter is starting and hitting #2 and Wright is hitting #3.

I'm not not licking toads...

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 3, 2009 10:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’ve heard the arguments, and no one yet has been able to convice me that Jeter is a better option than Rollins. And I’m no huge Rollins fan.

So much for putting the best team on the field.

"Break's over"

by VegasAces on Mar 3, 2009 10:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Calm Eyes.

I'm not not licking toads...

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 3, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You know my fascination with the Phillies/#6 Victorino methodology? Essentially, I have the line-up starting over with Victorino leading-off at #6 spot, with Pedroia at #7 being the 2-guy right behind him. Which makes Heap a makeshift #3 behind them, with Granderson kind of being the leftover in the #9 hole.

But yeah, Jeter starting is unavoidable because he’s Derek Jeter. Which is going to suck.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 3, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like it. Too bad it ain’t going to happen.

I'm not not licking toads...

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 3, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

WTF

This team has gone to shit since I posted this. Was Papelbon pulled, or was he never there in the first place? So much for the lights-out bullpen.

Goodbye to: Nathan, Ryan, (who am I missing?), Sizemore, Hawpe

Hello to: Hanrahan, Grabow, Hawkins, Victorino, Dunn

by TradeAndruw on Mar 3, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

You forgot to add Heath Bell, though I agree with your point. Not sure why we’re adding all these RHP’s, I thought we needed more LHP’s outta the pen to combat the large majority of LHB’s. Having said that Grabow and Bell are no slouches and I would guess guys like Hanrahan and Hawkins would serve more in middle relief roles – at least I HOPE!

"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST

by scstrato on Mar 4, 2009 4:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hanrahan and Hawkins both allowed runs in an inning of work each. Neither of them should be used except in mop-up duty time. But even then, it’s questionable, because I don’t trust either to preserve a 10-run lead and expect to get to the WBC mercy-rule.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 4, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't care who you are

That’s one helluva lineup, even with Jeter in there. And it’s not like Jeter’s a bad hitter at this point, but it’s his defense at SS that sucks (especially when you’ve got Rollins on the bench). But the addition of Dunn is a great one. Hell, any lineup where you have to decide between McCann and Granderson to hit 9th is dangerous. A lot of the opposing WBC pitchers are wacky junkballers and stuff, so it should be fun to see how they handle it.

The pitching will probably be okay, but I agree that after Peavy and Oswalt, the rotations a little thin. Still, Lilly’s not too bad and Guthrie might have one or two of his occasional brilliant games against opponents who don’t hit like the AL East. Hell… if a MLB team had that rotation and ‘pen, they’d be one of the best in baseball, and the WBC doesn’t have the overall talent pool of MLB.

by FineHamAbounds on Mar 4, 2009 3:33 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

the WBC doesn’t have the overall talent pool of MLB.

Korea and Cuba, and to some degree Japan, would probably disagree, considering they have had their way with US, Dominican, and Venezuelan baseball since 2006, regardless of it were Major Leaguers in the 2006 WBC, or younger players in the Olympics. The best players don’t always make the best team.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 4, 2009 9:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No question.

I’m just saying that the #4 guy in our rotation probably matches up with the #2 on most other rosters in terms of talent and polish. Baseball is, by it’s nature, unpredictable which is why they play the whole tournament and why MLB plays all 162 games each year. I think other WBC teams have significant advantages because these MLB players have never seen them. Ask Byung-Hyun Kim about that. :)

by FineHamAbounds on Mar 4, 2009 4:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I like Yu Darvish, Johnny Cueto, Min-Han Son, and even Ian Snell and Oliver Perez (I’m presuming the #2s on their respective countries’ rosters) over the US’s (presumed) #3 in Ted Lilly.

I don’t think it’s fair to give other countries an advantage, based on unfamiliarity with MLB players, because any team serious about scouting, should be able to find video, or at least a scouting report on any player. Japan and Korea televise their leagues, and MLB teams have their scouts scattered all throughout wherever baseball is played in South America. It is by no means impossible for the US team to make themselves less unfamiliar with the names they’ll be potentially pitted against in the tournament.

Byung-Hyun Kim is also the worst possible name to throw out when trying to justify significant advantages due to unfamiliarity. Aside from his years of MLB experience, Byung-Hyun Kim couldn’t deal with air pressure, let alone the pressures of a close-game save situation. I still remember face-palming when Kim faced Fukudome in the 2006 semi’s, and Fukudome crushing one out of PETCO.

My theory of the US’s inability to win in 2006 was simply a lack of cohesion, and an arrogance at thinking a mish-mash of stars would get the job done. They may be on the right track at trying to acquire more role-oriented players, and a few utility guys, but there is still that lack of cohesion, and the whole “still warming up” phase. On SportsCenter, they showed a play with Wright throwing to Youk, and if not for Youk’s stellar defense, would have resulted in a terrible defensive play. I bet the teams that have been preparing for the WBC a bit longer won’t be making such horrible plays.

I want the US to run the table, don’t get me wrong. But I think it’s a little questionable to assume that because they have a hell of a line-up, that they’re any better than any other country’s teams. Today was a good example, the Blue Jays beating the US squad. The 2006 US baseball squad was as much of an embarrassment as the 2004 Olympic ball-into-metal-hoop “Dream Team” was, and I hope this baseball squad takes redemption as seriously as the basketball squad did, and come out on top.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 4, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously saw the play wrong. Wright wouldn’t make a bad throw, he’s a gold glove third baseman.

I'm not not licking toads...

by Smoltz's Beard on Mar 4, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Fair point. Cohesion definitely plays a part.

But didn’t B-HK throw some ungodly 19K game against the US in the Olympics or something?

by FineHamAbounds on Mar 4, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

15 Ks against an incomplete roster of fringe-minor leaguers and AAAA players. Once they got their act together, they became the team that won the Gold in Sydney in 2000.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Mar 5, 2009 8:47 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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