So Much for the Internal Options: Braves sign Garret Anderson
There have been more twists and turns and false starts this off-season, that we shouldn't be surprised when just two days ago Frank Wren seemed happy to wait and see what internal options the Braves could use, only to turn around and sign outfielder Garret Anderson to a one-year contract on Sunday.
Anderson will make a reported $2.5 million and will turn 37 in June. His production has been in decline in recent years, and while not the big power hitter we were seeking, he could provide a solid half of a platoon with Matt Diaz in left field. Anderson isn't that much worse of a hitter against left-handed pitching, but his power comes against right-handed pitching, where he still maintains a good average.
He has hit with success in just about every spot in the lineup, including the clean-up spot. Whether the Braves will want him to fill that spot is yet to be seen. The Braves will begin spring games this Wednesday against Detroit.
Anderson is still a hitter capeable of hitting around .300, but he has never been a guy with good on-base skills. He will have to provide power to make his position in the lineup valuable. This will also be the first time he has played on a team other than the Angels (even though he was with the Angels long enough to see the team go through three different names).
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Great Move
I was going to make a fan post about him a couple of days ago, but I thought I would get murdered by the other commenters. Anyway, I’m pumped. WE HAVE A CLEAN UP HITTER!!! YESS!!!!
SubParr
And it's the same clean up hitter we had yesterday!
McCann >>>>>>>> Anderson
by Lennox on Feb 22, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah. I was upset to read that
Why are they still going to use a platoon? Anderson got 557 ABs last year.
SubParr
Is it ~$2mil better?
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by buzzdeadwax on Feb 23, 2009 11:23 AM EST up reply actions
Not a Good Result
Unfortunately, the option left to the Braves.
From Burrell to Dunn to Abreu to Swisher to Nady to Griffey to Garret freakin’ Anderson.
not the best option we could of had but a smarter move than Jr.
but still this isnt a long term move by any sense but GA will get us thru until our young guns are ready
smart move for now
and if our young guys produce trade him away just like we did Kotsay, except.. get something from it.. maybe the Tigers wanna give up some of their good prospects again? haha
This Sucks!
I would’ve been happier to see Heyward win the LF job and Schafer in CF to have a full year to blend together. Sorry not happy about this at all. At least Griffey would’ve been interesting to see if he could stay healthy. We over pay for Lowe and couldn’t fork 5 mill for Abreu but give 1 mill to Glavine? Wren is officially a moron.
who's the moron?
“At least Griffey would’ve been interesting to see if he could stay healthy”
what would be interesting? The strike outs? The horrid defense? The runners left on base? The viagra?
Seriously, if you would rather have KGJ than GA in LF, I question your right to call others “morons”.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
not to mention
that Griffey WON’T stay healthy for 162 games.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
Your callin Wren a moron but yet you would rather see Heyward win the LF job NOW? I just do not believe Heyward is ready. Sure could he come to the majors and do decent? sure i guess but why not let him get 1-2 more years in the minors and hopefully he will come to the majors a beast of a player. Seems like that would be smarter to me and most. Who is the moron now???
braves#1
Hey I’m just frustrated at the mediocre moves by Wren and his horrible negotiation skills to land us a power bat. If he thinks Anderson is a power bat then he must be on crack. We could get 15 homers from Heyward. That’s all I’m saying. Hell we know Griffey could get us 18 homers and that’s not playing a full season. We had Abreu and Dunn available at great prices and he forks money at Glavine, Griffey, and Anderson? Come on now. I’d love for Anderson to prove me wrong but he brings me no excitement. At least with Griffey I would love to have seen him smash some home runs and bat behind Chipper.
You come off like a real dolt suggesting that a 19 year old Heyward is a good option. Anderson is done and so is Griffey but the Braves would ruin Heyward by putting that much pressure on a kid one year out of high school. He will probably be spectacular as a player in 2-3 years but please don’t think that a kid that has only one season of Low-A ball is ready for the majors. Gimme a break, please!!!
I think Wren has done a very good job this offseason. He totally revamped our rotation with good pitchers. At the beginning of the offseason we were lookin at Jurrjens, Morton, Campillo, Reyes, and ???? I dont know about you but i dont see that rotation doin jack crap. Lowe, Vazquez, and Kawakami are not great but there above average in my view, we will see how good Kawakami is. Wren resigned one of the best Pinch hitters in the game in Norton. Signed a solid backup Catcher in Ross(sure we could have just used Sammons but this move is fine), and then gets Anderson. Believe it or not he is an upgrade over what we had. I dont want him batting against lefties though because Diaz kills lefties. Anderson isn’t great but i think he will get the job done in LF.
“Hey I’m just frustrated at the mediocre moves by Wren and his horrible negotiation skills to land us a power bat.”
horrible negotiations? how do you come up with that conclusion? Teams might have been askin for the moon in trades for Outfielders this offseason. Would you have wanted to give up good future prospects for a stopgap in Nady or another stopgap? Would you want to give up good future prospects for a guy like Swisher? Sure he is a good player better than Anderson but he isn’t as good as most think. Plus he would block other young prospects. I would have been pissed if Wren would have done a stupid trade like that. Sure if he could have got somebody like that without given up nothin then yeah that would have been better but it was evident that they were gonna just give there outfielders away.
braves#1
The horrible negotiations would actually be featured around Derek Lowe paying 60 mill when he probably could’ve gotten him for 50 saving some money for a guy like Bobby Abreu or Adam Dunn.
The thing is we done know what other teams were offerin and we really needed Lowe. Especially if the Braves plans on tryin to make it to the playoffs this year. It was “reported” that no other team was gettin close to that amount but we really dont know. Some other team could have been offerin in the 50 million range i mean we just dont know. Your assuming right now unless of course you know Boras or Lowe personally and knows exactly what was offered. And maybe the Braves did make a $5M range offer to Abreu before we signed Glavine and Abreu turned it down. I mean we just dont know about all of this. Either way you look at it i think Wren has done a very good job this offseason considering how bad this team looked and how much he had to do to put a competitive team on the field. Keep up the good work Wren.
braves#1
Plus his $3M buyout from the Angels ;-)
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 22, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions
On the bright side: this is his first stint in the NL…he may do better than he did in the AL
On the not-so-bright side: I wish he had a higher OBP. Hm…oh well. Abreu for $5 mil is starting to look like the better deal, but I guess we’ll see how Anderson does.
only if Abreau
puts up twice the numbers that GA does.
:)
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions
Garrett Anderson
Can’t hold Bobby Abreu’s jock strap, much less Griffey’s.
Garret is an OK player, but he sure isn’t in the same class as Abreu and nowhere near Junior.
No where near where Junior WAS
^Fixed.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions
Dude,
He still can’t. The ONLY advantage Anderson brings to the table is that he is more durable than Griffey. That is it. And last year, they pretty much played the same number of games.
and he hits for a better average than Griff.
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
he walks better
Anderson is a better hitter. Griff walks, anderson hits. I’d rather have a hitter.
"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -
by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions
and better at preventing them in the OF
"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -
by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions
*making them in the OF
oops! :)
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Using BA to evaluate hitters is for Luddites
"OBP is not a production number, and should not be used as something he achieved."
This is so fucking stupid. I hope he blows a knee out the first day he shows up in camp, so I don’t have to fucking look at his name in the lineup for 4 fucking games in 2 weeks.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
so does this mean you like the signing?
LOL!
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Bigjoe
are you ever satisfied with a move the Braves make? I mean you constantly bitch about every single move Wren makes. He could trade for A-Rod and give up nothin and you would bitch. He could trade for Pujols and give up a decent amount and you would bitch. You are the most pessimistic person on this whole site and thats sayin somethin. Were you even happy when Wren made the Jurrjens and Gorkys trade for Renteria? If so that was a rare occasion. I dont think nothin will make you happy what the Braves do. Nobody can say that your not a true Braves fan because you are you were one of the main ones last year posting during the Braves games last year so there is no question that the Braves are your team but man would it hurt you to be optimistic some?
braves#1
Why would I want to be optimistic about adding a fourth outfielder to the roster who doesn’t have an ability to take a walk? I’ve outlined my disdain for this on several occasions, but some Cliffs notes…
-Has never had an OBP of .350 (even in years where he hit .300)
-Has never had a BB:K above .5
-Hasn’t had a SLG above .500 for the past 5 years
I mean, for a team that needs a HUGE IMPACT BAT CLEANUP HITTER, this is fucking retarded. Maybe instead of criticizing me for shitting on stupid moves that deserve to be criticized, you should take off the rose-colored glasses, look at the offensive side of the team and say “holy shit…we’ve fucking gotten a lot worse”.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
Anderson is not a bad player man. He has and will continue to get the job done. He had a solid season last year. And if he does platoon with Diaz(i think he should) then that would be a solid platoon. Would i have like to have Dunn or somebody better on this team? hell yes i would but we didn’t get him, this is the team we have now. Diaz and Anderson could be a solid platoon in LF. Sure his BB/K is not great but its not the end of the world because of that either. I like OBP and think its a good stat that tells alot but dont read everything into the stat. Sure gettin on base means you dont commit an out i understand that but this guy gets hits and gets the job done. For a 1 year $2.5M deal you really cant beat that. He doesn’t block one of our prospects next year or nothin.
braves#1
I like that complaining about Garrett Anderson = complaining about Pujols and A-Rod.
We add a marginal player who is on the decline and send a couple of young guys who would be of similar value to the team to AAA, it’s a step sideways at best.
Oh, and by the way.
GAG: Gimpy Ass Garrett. Live it. Love it.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
Garret
common mistake, I made it a lot before a week ago
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 22, 2009 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
RUNNING TALKING CHOP 2009 SEASON BET: Who will walk more times this season: Adam Dunn, or Jeff Francoeur/Matt Diaz/Garrett Anderson/Josh Anderson?
My money is on Dunn.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
FML
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 22, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
Oh wow
like i care what Mariner fans think of what the Braves have done. At least Anderson is a better defender than Griffey. Neither one are great but i think Anderson can do good enough to get the job done thats for sure. Let the Mariner fans keep talkin about the Braves maybe when they wake up they will realize what kind of sorry excuse of a organization THERE Mariners team is. At least they got rid of Bavasi so things are at least lookin up from that standpoint.
braves#1
THEIR
:)
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by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 8:31 PM EST up reply actions
Dunn, for sure.
…and each time, it’s likely to include something like “see what we could have right now?”
by FineHamAbounds on Feb 22, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Good grief
I go away for one day and this is how you guys treat me. You just couldn’t help it could you, had to run off and sign the worst FA option available. I can’t leave you guys alone for a minute. Damn!
"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST
Hear hear
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 22, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions
I have to qualify my "yes" vote.
I said “yes,” as in, I like it compared to what we were looking at this morning, but “no” compared to what we SHOULD have done all along. Anderson was my last choice pretty much, but I suppose we have certainty in that we know what we’re getting… a guy who has COMPLETELY AVERAGE IN EVERY WAY stamped on his forehead.
stab at opening day roster.....revised....again!
well, i guess garrett anderson is our solution in left. let’s hope he has a career obp year. here goes nothing…..
Mccann
Kotchman
KJ
Escobar
Chipper
Diaz/G. Anderson
Schafer
Francoeur
Lowe
Vazquez
Kawakami
Jurrjens
Glavine
Norton
Ross
Infante
Prado
Diaz/G. Anderson
Gonzalez
Soriano/Moylan
Campillo (long relief)
Boyer
Acosta
Jo-Jo (still pushing for him to be our LOOGY)
Stockman (he’ll put up incredible numbers and break camp with the team)
this puts carlyle, bennett, b. jones, brooks conrad, o’flaherty, logan, and josh anderson(which I’m campaigning for his nickname to be LOOGAN if he becomes our LOOGY) all without spots on the opening day roster, which is the reason why we should have made a trade for a legit outfielder.
let’s hope the dealing is not done. deals dont necessarily have to be for major league talent, but some of these guys are without options and will just be lost.. either way, it will make for an interesting month of baseball.
josh anderson....
is the safe pick. i wanted to step out a little bit and that’s why i chose stockman and schafer. i believe both guys can help the big club much more than the other options. truth be told, this is more of a “wishlist” roster. this, to me, is the best 25 we could put out, with the players we have at this moment.
with the signing of glavine, carlyle has been pushed out of long relief and has no other spot on this team. Morton has no chance to make the mlb roster, and, with options left, slipped my mind. jojo has nothing left to prove in the minors and I think he will find his place in the pen. Whatever occurs, we should have a dynamic AAA team in Gwinett.
I hope schafer beats out anderson. even though he looks to play the role of class A douchebag, he is our only hope for an outfielder with decent OBP. otherwise, all our outfielders might have a obp short of .320.
Carlyle will make the team, as will one of o’flaherty or logan. They’ll let Jo-Jo start in AAA to see if he can at least be effective there. You also forgot about Morton and Blanco, who’ll probably start for Gwinett as well.
And like someguy917 said, Schafer will start the year in AAA with Anderson/Blanco in the majors.
by soup du jour on Feb 22, 2009 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
"At least"
I guess the way he murdered AAA hitters on his last couple of stints there wasn’t quite effective enough, he probably needs to put up a 0.00 ERA to show that he can handle AAA hitters.
So? Do you think that he’s better served being a LOOGY in the pen? If you think he should be in the majors then we should trade him, because I don’t want a 6 ERA starter on my team.
by soup du jour on Feb 23, 2009 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
My issue is with the implication that a guy who has posted ERAs of 1.0 and 2.3 along with WHIPs of 1.03 and 1.21 at the AAA level hasn’t shown that he can be effective in AAA.
Ok, it was poorly worded.
My intention was “to see if he can regain his effectiveness.”
by soup du jour on Feb 23, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I'm with you on another trade.
We have so many pieces to trade without dipping into big prospects from the farm.
Jo Jo Reyes
Morton
Stockman
Carlyle
bennett
b. jones
anderson
blanco
conrad
Boyer
Yea the Braves are better off
Found this article that explains why….Anderson is a better overall choice…this worked out for the Braves better than most people think..
No Griffey..No Problem!
http://www.rbimagazine.com/2009/02/no-griffey-no-problem/
Reverse Bryan Peña effect
Everyone is underselling the effect that a teammate that understands the Californian language and culture could have on Kotchman. I think it could really further his comfort and add to this supposed good mood has has going.
that was a joke. i think everybody treats yunel like a little boy and its kind of racist and paternalistic.
I won't comment on the racism aspect ...
But he doesn’t exactly exude maturity at all times.
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
Oh yeah, I forgot about the Yunel stuff. The sarcasm went over my head.
by soup du jour on Feb 23, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions
I see it...
It isn’t necessarily a legitimate argument, but it makes sense on the surface.
Treating a person differently, or assuming they need a calming influence just because they are Cuban or German or American or Botswanan is racist.
Whether Yunel needs/ed it just because he’s insane, I, and probably you, can’t speak to that.
Interestingly enough
I saw an Angels fan mention that Kotchman started working with Anderson a lot last season, and then Kotchman’s walks decreased.
Then he came to Atlanta, away from Anderson’s influence, and his walks picked up drastically.
I think Wren may have found a way to make our 1st Baseman a less effective hitter.
I suppose it's a good thing Kotch walked some
during his time in Atlanta, since he sucked in every other way.
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 22, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
I heard he sucked especially bad at defense
"OBP is not a production number, and should not be used as something he achieved."
Seemed like the context suggested
a dialogue about his offensive attributes.
There is no denying that Kotch is a phenomenal defensive first baseman, just as there is no denying that his offensive numbers with the Braves were atrocious.
Given your signature, incidentally, the “at defense” phrase is strikingly amusing.
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Kotchman had a horrible August after the trade, he was dealing with a lot of stuff, missed a lot of games, and suffered from a horrendously low BABip.
In September he turned things around and hit over .300 with a .394 OBP. Really looked like something positive to build on for next year.
I actually like Kotchman...
At 26, he’s already one of the top defensive 1B in the game. He’s going to hit, too, I’m still convinced of it.
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
racist?
how? paternalistic maybe, but your assumpton is unfound and prejudice. the race card being pulled out is just absurd. btw, what race is escobar? do you even know?
i’ll concede. i meant to qualify racist with “kind of” and to not qualify paternalistic at all.
perhaps I meant it’s paternalistic, but i don’t think people would talk about his fieriness or immaturity as important at all were he white. and i was always put off by the bryan peña aspect. he is an adult, after all.
however, this is much too serious. i’m simply amused by the idea of garret anderson being bryan peña for kotchman. i thought it was ridiculous and would perhaps bring a little perspective to the peña/escobar thing, which is featured on the front page today
Two things. One:
but i don’t think people would talk about his fieriness or immaturity as important at all were he white
Ridiculous and unfounded stance. Two:
i was always put off by the bryan peña aspect. he is an adult, after all
Yeah, an adult in a foreign country who didn’t speak four words of the language who had little to no contact with his family back in Cuba and didn’t really know how if they were safe or not, all while dealing with the day to day pressure of playing professional baseball.
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He's Egyptian, right?
"OBP is not a production number, and should not be used as something he achieved."
It’s takes a while to establish residency. Once they do, I’m sure somebody will sign them and we’ll see, like most Cubans, they’re not that great individually. As a team, they’re awesome, but there are fewer Escobars, Hernandezes, and Ramirezes than there are Kendry Moraleses and…other Cuban failures whose names I can’t remember.
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Eh...
I guess it’s good that we didn’t pay him much… but really. Garrett Anderson? Over the last four years, he’s been an above average hitter once. Over the same time, he’s been an above average fielder… you guessed it, once. CHONE has Anderson to be 2 runs below average with the bat in 2009. The same system has Diaz pegged for 2.5 runs better than average.
So, this is another blah signing. Nothing to get excited about.
by BraveBronco0121 on Feb 22, 2009 9:41 PM EST reply actions
I think people are overreacting
At the least, seeing the name Garret Anderson in the lineup is at least more intimidating than say brandon jones or matt diaz. We could have done worse but i do agree that we should have traded some of the expendable pieces that we seem to have in excess right now. I honestly dont know how much better a player like nady or swisher really would be.
What happened to the GM we had the first half of this off-season? Glavine and Anderson have no business on this team. I was afraid Wren would go out there and sign Anderson simply because he told fans he would bring in a LF, and sure enough it happened.
by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 22, 2009 10:29 PM EST reply actions
Bobby says no platoon?
Cox said that he thought Anderson could play every day and there wouldn’t be any need for a platoon. Anybody else think he needs his head examined? Anderson’s OPS is about a hundred points higher over the last 4 years against right handed pitching. Nearly all of his HR’s come against righties as well. Let’s all hope Bobby comes to his senses and goes with a platoon with Diaz.
This is what I get for being late to the party
So I was perusing through six hours of DVR’d SportsCenter yesterday, to see if I could get a glimpse of myself on any alleged NC State Krispy Kreme Challenge footage that was supposed to have broadcast yesterday which didn’t. But I was enjoying all the Spring Training reports, and the WBC Memorable Moments commercials, and then BAM! Atlanta A emblem emblazoned on the screen, and I stop and say “ooh,” expecting there to be some Spring Training coverage.
Nope. Garret Anderson signs with the Braves. I cringed, and I dared to click the bookmark to TC, and sure enough, there are already two posts with well over 60+ rebuttals, and I think “fuck this noise, I’m going to bed.”
So having slept on it a little bit, I wake up and, like many other trades and acquisitions, don’t hate it so much the next day. Because, what can we, the fans really do? It’s not like the Braves brass is going to check in to TC, read the outcry and think “o shit we made mistake” and then renege and dump Garret to the curb. It’s not like we’re going to completely boycott the Braves; they’re like an abusive relationship – no matter how many times they do things that make us want to run away, we always come back, because in some demented fashion, they please us from time to time.
So whether or not I support or oppose this move is a moot point because it’s already been done, and all I can really do is hope for the best. Others have already gone over his positives, and Angels fans have chimed in why he’s not the worst player ever. I do prefer him over Griffey Jr., and in the inevitable scenario that Bobby decides to trot him out every day, I think GA would hold his own better than Junior would, both offensively and defensively.
In the end, I see the acquisition of Garret Anderson similarly to the acquisition of Mark Kotsay last year – a veteran OF with declining skills, meant to only be a stopgap until the kids are ready(-ier). The good thing is, not having to trade any prospects for GA though.
So, anyone know what Garret Anderson’s wife looks like, or if he’s even married at all?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Run from NCSU’s bell tower to the Krispy Kreme (not sure on the mileage), down a dozen doughnuts, run back, puke your brains out.
The challenge is not puking your brains out.
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 23, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man. Awesome. Is this for charity? Do you have to pay for the doughnuts? About how many people participate?
by soup du jour on Feb 23, 2009 2:12 PM EST up reply actions
It’s for charity. Entry fee was like $16 or something, but over 5,000 people participated this year (capped at 5,000). Raised $35,000 for North Carolina Children’s Hospital.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
Once again, royhobbs brings us to the essence of the issue:
“So, anyone know what Garret Anderson’s wife looks like, or if he’s even married at all?”
Because, in the end, everything else is a moot point.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Feb 23, 2009 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Garret's married with three kids...
he’s a first-rate family man, drives his kids to school, the whole bit.
I've consumed a six-pack a day for more than twenty years....and I'm still not addicted.
by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions
I hope to god he drives them to school in SoCal in the morning, and flies out to Atlanta for the night game. That would have to piss Bobby off enough to get him benched.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
I know you've got your nose buried up in his OBP
like it’s your dog’s nutsack, but have you ever seen the guy play at all?
Seriously, you’ve completely written the guy off and you have no idea what kind of player is, you just know that quoting his OBP ad nauseam makes you sound like you might know something.
You could consider watching him play, seeing what he does, and then judging him appropriately. Does it bother you at all that you are simply re-gurgitating the opinions of others?
Go look at his inter-league stats and get back with me.
The guy’s OBP is a direct representation of what the Angels’ organization asked him to do. He’s an incredible situational hitter, though it’s a quite obvious you have no appreciation for that at all.
He didn’t gain the respect of every teammate and opponent over the years (not to mention accumulating nearly 500 doubles and 2500 hits because he sucks) because he sucks. Sorry, but he did something to keep himself in the lineup for 14 years. Watch the way pitchers pitch him and you’ll learn something interesting: Fans don’t think the guy can hit but pitchers absolutely fear him (still) and pitch him about as carefully as a guy can be pitched.
He is still among the best fastball hitters in the game. You’ll learn that if you if leave B-R and actually watch the games. Good luck with that, though.
Oh, and there’s also the small fact that the Braves absolutely sucked last year and Garret’s better than any other outfielder you currently have. You should be welcoming him.
Or is it more fun to pretend that you know more about the game than Frank Wren and Bobby Cox when, in fact, you couldn’t even play a simple game of catch with a Major Leaguer?
Don’t worry about giving the guy any kind of chance (let alone benefit of the doubt), just bury him from day one with sarcastic comments about OBP, and then keep dreaming that some no name AAA guy is as good or better than him.
GA has weaknesses in his game, no doubt, but he’s far, far better than you will ever be willing to give him credit for.
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 6:41 PM EST up reply actions
“He is still among the best fastball hitters in the game. You’ll learn that if you if leave B-R and actually watch the games. Good luck with that, though.”
This is probably very true. Fangraphs did a recent analysis of % fastballs each hitter saw and GA had one of the lowest around.
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Oof.
Here we go.
I don’t want to defend joe, since he can be a little acerbic, but on this point, I feel like you are overreacting.
GA’s OBP sucks. There. I said it.
It isn’t about whether or not he’s a “professional” hitter or whether he drives his kids to school in the morning. It’s about production. If he isn’t on base, he’s making outs. If he’s making outs, he isn’t helping anyone score runs. If the team isn’t scoring runs, they LOSE.
Maybe we are all a little biased because we watched a kid play in RF last year that was supposed to be a “natural hitter” and a “pro” who, instead of having a breakout year, fell apart at the plate and in the OF. OBP matters, and we already have enough black holes in our lineup when it comes to OBP. Asking someone to be happy about adding another one is stupid.
Maybe it is an organizational issue. Maybe GA just needs someone to suggest that he take a couple pitches. That isn’t going to happen with TP as his batting instructor, though, so we’re looking at another year with a .330 OBP from a guy brought in to improve the offense.
Apologies may be in order for being crass about it, or offending someone’s sensitive moral compass points, but asking someone to be sorry because they don’t want their team to be bad is just plain annoying.
On a couple of asides:
The B-R comment was ridiculously unnecessary. Box scores matter, too. You can’t play the game with a computer, we get it. We’’l all crawl out of our moms’ basements and make real, human friends if that makes you feel better.
That being said, what a person produces over long stretches of time matters. Maybe if he produced more walks WHILE HE WAS PLAYING THE GAME, joe wouldn’t have recourse to spout off, sarcastically or otherwise, at his below average OBP.
Finally, I found it both hilarious and hypocritical that you want to rag on joe for bashing on GA without taking the time to really know what he’s all about, yet you apparently have no problem bashing on joe without granting him the same courtesy.
I think most of us around here appreciate it when people from other blogs with other perspectives drop by to help us understand new players. That being said, commenting on the culture of another group of people after two days perusing the comments is probably as bad as what joe is doing with GA, if not worse. At least joe has stats to back him up.
Both are amazing sites.
Just because I’m a fan of GA , and of the “intangibles,” doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate modern statistical analysis. I do.
It’s just that there’s so much more. Accurate baseball analysis combines newer-school statistics with older-school scouting….at least in my opinion.
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 8:52 PM EST up reply actions
I'm objective enough to acknowledge that
GA’s OBP sucks. There, I said it too.
But I also consider many more factors when analyzing a player.
Having written that, and all of the above as well, I suppose I should wait until I’ve witnessed Joe’s “acerbic” nature for longer before negatively reacting to his redundancy.
It’s not that Joe’s OBP concern isn’t valid (who wouldn’t want to see GA get on base more?), it’s that he’s already made the point at least 20 times. Now it’s time to open the mind and see the player that the Braves have signed.
I very well may have overreacted, as you note. At the same time, I refrained from commenting on his earlier comment, the one in which he claimed (jokingly or not, it doesn’t really matter) to be actively rooting for GA to be injured. That’s just classless.
As for “commenting on the culture of another group,” I didn’t think I was. Right or wrong, I was taking Joe to task, without mentioning at all the variety of opinions expressed by everyone else. Nobody else seems to be rooting for injuries or the like. Rather, everyone is simply sharing their assessments, good and bad, of GA as a player.
I’ll try a little harder to be nice, though (especially given that I’ll be following, and caring about the Braves this season; I’ve never before rooted for the Braves and they’re now immediately my favorite NL team….which makes my dad thrilled because he might just be the world’s biggest Eddie Matthews fan).
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Don't sweat it
If you stick around TC, you’ll get used to bigjoe being a total d*ck.
His BB% fetish is actually kinda cute.
Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball
And humbling, I'm sure.
At least that’s what I found.
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
Well, my experiences doing it don’t sound like they were quite as transcendent as yours. It was pretty much just like playing catch with your friends.
www.dropoutproductions.com
I was fortunate enough to play long toss with a couple
of Major League outfielders (please, spare me the jokes ;-)). The accuracy and arm strength were very impressive (theirs, not mine).
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 24, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions
Just for the hell of it.
PLAYER A: 6.1% BB rate, 0.35 BB:K
PLAYER B: 4.9% BB rate, 0.38 BB:K
PLAYER C: 5.6% BB rate, 0.24 BB:K
PLAYER D: 2.2% BB rate, 0.09 BB:K
PLAYER E: 13.7% BB rate, 0.88 BB:K
PLAYER F: 19.1% BB rate, 0.74 BB:K
PLAYER G: 10.7% BB rate, 0.67 BB:K
PLAYER H (AAA): 11.7% BB rate, 0.61 BB:K
NAME THE PLAYERS. Hint: 5 of them are on the Braves roster as of right now. 3 of them were wanted at various points by various people on this blog.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
I love games! Can we get a PA count, or are they all roughly equivalent?
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by mattdiaz4life on Feb 23, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Here’s my guess – I’m assuming all are outfielders, and I haven’t peeked at anyone’s numbers, promise. You’ve given us H already – BJONES. The others:
A. Blanco
B. Diaz
C. G. Anderson
D. Francoeur
E. Abreu
F. Dunn
G. Swisher
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 23, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Noooooooo
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 23, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions

I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 23, 2009 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
Guesses
Guessing Brandon Jones is the AAA player. Also, is player A Matt Diaz?
Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball
Prepare to be astounded...
A : FYF
B: Garret Anderson
C: Josh Anderson
D: Matt Diaz (to be fair, he was hurt)
E: Griffey, Jr.
F: Dunn
G: Abreu
H: The SWAGGA
WINNAR!
You did a good job researching.
But yeah. NEW FREE AGENT SUPERSTAR WHO’S THE BEST OUTFIELDER THE BRAVES HAVE EVER HAD (TM Angels fan who can’t admit when a player is over the hill) has a lower walk rate than Francoeur, a nearly identical BB:K, and lower peripherals across the board than every option we looked at.
I could have thrown in Swisher, Nady, Scott et al too, but that would just be throwing gasoline on the fire. I have no desire to have a PROFESSIONAL HITTER on my team.
Oh, and just for the balls of it…career generalizations!
-He has an OPS over .800 2 of the 6 months of the season, and one of those is .801. TWO FUCKING MONTHS ABOVE .800.
-Oh wait, his career OPS is below .800 too. That explains why.
-He has 45 plate appearances coming off the bench in his career, and has been sub-Francoeur level while doing it. Just what we need out of a platoon player!
-With 2 outs RISP, his OPS is below his career mark. Same in close & late situations. RAWR HE’S NOT CLUTCH!
-SMALL SAMPLE SIZE ALERT: In the one series he played at Turner Field, he didn’t draw a walk and had 1 XBH
-He has a career .695 OPS in the playoffs, and that is NOT a small sample size. HE CAN’T PERFORM WHEN ALL OF AMERICA IS LOOKING UPON HIM
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
Bigjoe
Did you SERIOUSLY just mention Nady “the one year wonder” in there? Shakes head wow. Nady will never be as great of a player as Anderson was in his prime and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Anderson outhits Nady this year if Anderson plays everyday.
And what about Swisher? The dude has been in the bigs for 4 full seasons, has had 2 atrocious seasons. And 2 above average years. I mean hell if your lookin at the OBP then Kotchman has put up one season with a .370 OBP in one season back in 2007 and you HATE the guy And Swisher has had only 2 seasons over .370 OBP. And Kotchman is about 2-3 years younger than Swisher.
braves#1
Nady is an average regular, like Anderson was his entire career. In Swisher’s WORST year, he had more walks than Anderson has had in ANY year. By uh, 50%. His career low ISO is higher than Anderson’s career average. His BB:K is nearly DOUBLE Anderson’s over his career. And before you start waving your dick around screaming “LOW AVERAGE BAD PLAYER”, Swisher has had BABIPs of under .300 3 times in his career.
I don’t know why you dragged Kotchman into this, but I’ll oblige you. His power is…well, you could call it “blossoming” since he’s still young. He NEVER strikes out, which is a big plus. For as little as he’s walked over his young career, its still MORE THAN ANDERSON (07, more walks than Anderson has ever had. 08, more walks than Anderson has ever had minus one year [by 2 walks]). Plus, he’s an absolute beast with the glove (which Anderson is not). And oh yeah, he’s 10 years younger than Anderson. Comparing Kotchman to Swisher is laughable, since they’re completely different animals.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
The only reason i put Kotchman in there is i was referring to his OBP. His .370 OBP back in 2007. And that Swisher has had only 2 years of .370 OBP in the 4 years he been in the bigs. Thats the only reason i put Kotchman in there. And the reason i said that is because you have been killing Anderson about his OBP. I just wanted to say that. Dude Anderson has been a VERY good hitter his entire career. I think i remember hearin about he led the majors in the 90’s with the most hits. I could be wrong but i think i remeber hearin about somethin like that. I agree man that he dont walk, he is alergic to walks i realize that but man you cant call him a bad player just because he doesn’t walk. This guy will get the job done for the Braves and prolly will end up bein a good hitter for this team. He will end up surprisin alot on here.
braves#1
Wait, what? He didn’t play in a full season until 1995, how in the hell did he have the most hits in the 90s? The stat you’re thinking of is one of those arbitrary 4 year, Jim Rice periods that people quote to prove their points, when in reality, its a time period chosen just to fit into their agenda.
Kotchman may have had a .370 OBP one year, but in his other year, he had one under .330. Swisher has had 2 .370+ seasons, and 2 that were around the Kotchman low, mainly based on ungodly low BABIPs.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
I watched Hank Aaron play...
he’s “the best outfielder the Braves have ever had.” ;-)
As for GA being “over the hill,” well, not quite, though he’s certainly not the player he was years back. Bobby Abreu is a much better option and the Angels’ decision to part with GA was brilliant the moment they signed Abreu.
Don’t worry, though, you can change your mind about GA should he have the Harold Baines like career resurgence that I’ve thought he might be capable of. Similarly, I can certainly change my mind should he shit in his hat. Either way, though, the Braves only signed him to a one-year deal.
As I wrote earlier, he’s going to hit 20 homeruns for the Braves (the right-center gap won’t affect him much since most of his homeruns are to rightfield ). If he has any kind of offensive season, he’ll also go for 40 or more doubles (he’s always been a doubles machine).
In regard to his playoff struggles, he struggled along with the entire Angels’ offense the last few years. Go back to 2005 and 2002, though, when he had huge hits (including game changing home runs) in Yankee Stadium. In 2005 he sent Randy Johnson reeling with an early three-run home run in the Bronx. In 2002, he hit an eighth inning home run in game 2 that brought the Angels back into the game (allowing them to win that pivotal game). Oh, and there’s the small hit he had in Game 7 of the 2002 World Series (3-run double that won the game).
Seems, though, that if he really struggles “when all of America is looking upon him,” he should fit right in with the Braves, huh?
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 23, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh man, you took the bait on the playoff shit. Wow.
And last I checked, the Angels had won one playoff series since they won the WS. Yikes.
SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES
So your posts are mere bait?
I must have spit the hook, then, because it’s not clear that you proved anything.
Yes, unfortunately, the second best team of this decade (the Angels) has had a tough run in the playoffs against the best team of this decade (the Red Sox).
I’m sure that you can attest to the fact, though, that one WS win in a decade, amid many other postseason failures, is still worthwhile. Right?
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by GarretSaysSuckIt on Feb 24, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions

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