Javier Vazquez: Atlanta Braves 2009 Player Preview
This player preview was written by Corey Crocker, who posts here as palioc33.
Javier Vazquez came over to the Braves from the White Sox in a December trade that sent them our "coveted", but blocked, catching prospect Tyler Flowers. Vazquez is coming off a not so spectacular 2008 season in which he posted a 12-and-16 record with a 4.67 ERA. Along with Vazquez we signed Derek Lowe and Kenshin Kawakami to bolster a starting rotation that was devastated by injuries last year. Derek Lowe was signed to be our ace, but because of Vazquez's recent mediocre seasons in Chicago people seem to forget just how dominating, and Ace-like, his stuff can be.
Over his career he comes close to about a strikeout per inning. At times he can dominate games, but he can also implode and not get out of the 3rd inning. But there is a reason the Braves traded for him and why Bobby Cox likes him so much -- it's his dominating stuff. The only issue with Vazquez appears to be his mental toughness when it comes to big games. Last year Ozzie Guillen, the White Sox manager, called Vazquez out in September for not being a big game pitcher. It was meant to light a fire under him, but in his 3 starts after the comments he gave up 5 runs or more each time and never got out of the 5th inning. In the 3 games before the comments he didn't give up more than 2 runs a game and pitched at least 6 innings each time out.
On the surface it looks like the comments had a negative impact on him. And how can you blame him when your team is in a pennant race and trying to make the postseason and every game you pitch is important, and your manager comes out and pretty much says he has no confidence in you. In the case of Vazquez, he might have believed him.
Now Vazquez is coming back to the National League where he had some of his best success, much of it with the Montreal Expos. He is also going to pitch for Bobby Cox who, as we all know, never criticizes his players and does nothing but give them his full support. Some might look at this as a small factor but it's not something that should be overlooked for a player like Vazquez. Having a manager that players know has complete confidence in them and supports them just might be the mental boost a guy like Vazquez needs. Not to mention a return to the NL and being closer to his family, who lives in Puerto Rico.
All these things add up to a certain comfort level that he didn't seem to have while playing with the White Sox, Arizona, and New York the past several years. With his mind in the right place, and not thinking about how he is going to implode as his manager predicted, he will be able to relax and concentrate on pitching and getting hitters out. He may not be the true ace we were hoping to get this winter but don't be shocked when he puts up some pretty good numbers and reminds some of the Vazquez from Montreal that we all coveted. And in the long tradition of Atlanta Braves pitchers, he swings a pretty decent stick.
Thanks to Corey for a great preview of our new pitcher.
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i dont agree that vazquez is a #2 jj is. that being said i think our defense and offense will keep games from getting out of hand. he will put up 200 quality innings as a #3 with an era about 4. .9 so per inning .5 walks per inning.
wins and losses are all on frenchy. if we win 90 games vaz will win 15 if we win 70 games vaz will win 8.
I personally think the pitching order should be Lowe, Jurrjens, Vazquez, Kawakami, Glavine. In this order it would break up the two guys that are going to eat a lot of innings. Lowe and Vazquez should both go over 200 innings while the other three pitchers could all struggle at points and not make 200 innings. Jurrjens should get close but Kawakami and Glavine are wild cards. This would give our bullpen a little extra rest.
I like this logic. I remember the team doing something similar by breaking up Smolzie and Hudson mid-season two years ago since they were the only starters who could get into the 6th inning.
"OBP is not a production number, and should not be used as something he achieved."
What is the benefit of breaking up two guys expected to go 200+ in the rotation?
by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 23, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
So that the relief pitchers don’t have to gas themselves in the event that the other three pitchers are inept. Think about when Smoltz and Huddy would each go 6-7 innings, and require maybe 1-2 relievers, as opposed to when James or Carlyle would come in and go 4 innings, and require 4-6 relievers to just finish out the game. Smoltz and Hudson were essentially seen as days in which some relievers could actually count on getting some time off in between outings. Spacing them out meant that relievers could see more consistent PT as opposed to two-off, three-on stints.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
An interesting theory. This gives a little more credence to setting up a strict rotation order. I think there’s a case to be made for it, especially if we plan to limit Jurrjens’ innings this season by monitoring his pitch count as opposed to skipping his starts.
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 23, 2009 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
Makes sense. Wonder what the people who believed that the rotation should be your best pitchers in order would say to that.
We should have signed Adam Dunn.
by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 24, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
“An interesting theory…”
I'll handle u in spring training - phil413
by mattdiaz4life on Feb 24, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
Good review
I also think that Vasquez may have a break-out year. Atlanta seems to revive pitchers’ whos careers are at the stage that Vasquez is at.
"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -
by justincredubil02 on Feb 22, 2009 1:55 PM EST reply actions
“The only issue with Vazquez appears to be his mental toughness when it comes to big games. Last year Ozzie Guillen, the White Sox manager, called Vazquez out in September for not being a big game pitcher. It was meant to light a fire under him”
This makes me wonder how Ozzie Guillen would handle FYF.
"OBP is not a production number, and should not be used as something he achieved."
i would say poorly, but not quite possitive… didnt Swisher run screaming out of CHicago recently (not to compare FYF and Swisher just syaing)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I like Guillen…in theory. In reality, he ruins people’s careers. Anybody remember Sean Tracey? the kid he made cry in the dugout because he failed at hitting a guy Guillen told him to beam? He moved on to the Orioles in 07 and basically had a mental collapse in the middle of a game (in Richmond oddly enough). He’s been on the DL now for a year and a half trying to deal with his mental problems. He had some confidence issues before that situation, and rather than help a talented pitcher worth through it, good old Ozzie messed him up for life.
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he wouldn't...
…he’d slap him around.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Feb 24, 2009 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
a few thoughts and.....REALLY bad news!
here is my trade scenario:
soriano is due to make 6 mil this year. prado is a utility player that they might need to fill the hole left by betemit. send soriano and prado to the yanks for swisher. the yanks need some bullpen stability and we have too many roster spots for the arms that are out there (gonzalez, carlyle, bennett, boyer, acosta, stockman, jo-jo, o’flaherty, logan). let swisher man left field, center field, right field, and first base on different days to keep all players fresh. dont call it a platoon, but call it rest…
swisher could bat 4th against lefties and 5th against righties. he makes both right-handed lineups and left-handed lineups much stronger.
ok, here’s the bad news:
http://tinyurl.com/bz9o8m
find frank wren’s number right now so we can call him and end this atrocity!
i didnt want this to get washed out, so....
here is my trade scenario:
soriano is due to make 6 mil this year. prado is a utility player that they might need to fill the hole left by betemit. send soriano and prado to the yanks for swisher. the yanks need some bullpen stability and we have too many roster spots for the arms that are out there (gonzalez, carlyle, bennett, boyer, acosta, stockman, jo-jo, o’flaherty, logan). let swisher man left field, center field, right field, and first base on different days to keep all players fresh. dont call it a platoon, but call it rest…
swisher could bat 4th against lefties and 5th against righties. he makes both right-handed lineups and left-handed lineups much stronger.
ok, here’s the bad news:
http://tinyurl.com/bz9o8m
find frank wren’s number right now so we can call him and end this atrocity!
Isn't Vazquez too old
to be living off his potential and “ace like stuff” at this point?
If he was a guy who was going to put things together and become something more than a league average pitcher, I think he’d have already done it by now, not suddenly figure things out in his mid-30s.
It’s not about him figuring things out. I’m not saying he is about to turn into Johan Santana. I’m just saying he is going to finally be back in a comfortable environment that he hasn’t had since his Montreal days when we all coveted him and loved his stuff. So with a return to a positive environment I expect a return to his quality Montreal days. I.E.:
16 – 8 3.20 era 200 K’s

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