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Yikes, weren't we just talking about this guy. It looks like he was a victim of the economic slowdown.

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Wow!! I hope he can find another live show in atlanta or athens. He has done some fine work and should get another shot when the economy turns around.

by Hanson-Ace on Feb 10, 2009 9:32 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

when the economy turns around.

Optimism at its best!

...catsports...

by bwellnjonesco on Feb 10, 2009 10:06 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I second that!!!!

Free markets turn economies around european style government socialism lower economy ceilings and reduce the potential yield an economy can produce. The stimulus plan is buying votes from lower and lower/middle class and will lead to Uncle Sam owning the bank accounts you have within 5 years. The name wachovia will still be on the building but they will be owned and monitored by the man. We should have let AIG, Lehman Brothers, Washington Mutual, Chrysler, etc……go broke. Millions would have lost their jobs and retirement but the complete turn around would have been completed in five years as opposed to 20. When companies fail others grow from the ashes. It’s just the nature of the beast. Bush panicked and Obama is using partisan media coverage to mask his agenda. He gained control of the Census a few days ago and no one knows. The census is a major factor in the electoral college and how we elect public officials. The whitehouse which has a bias has control over it now and can manipulate it to keep democrats in office for years and years to come (legally). Sorry to get off baseball but people should know this and look it up themselves.

Shanks was pretty good and he’ll find a job but not at his current rate. The braves will be fine as long as there in the race and get positive media coverage. Reducing their ticket prices will be to high of a burden to risk. Keeping prices the same and reducing parking and concession cost by 10% could net them an additional 25% if they get fans to the stadium. This would also give more incentive to go to the stadium because the extra cost have been lowered. If the braves struggle to start the season you will see prices drop to encourage fan base attendance.

by Charmin519 on Feb 10, 2009 10:47 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Thanks for informing people

I’m only 22 and I don’t keep up with the current news as much as I should, but I do check out various internet news sites (like foxnews, not the most reliable) during the work day. I didn’t know about the Census ordeal until yesturday!!! I couldn’t believe he snuck it through like that…I read where a couple of state reps. are trying to get it put on the main table, so everyone can see what is going on…

My pre-election fears about Obama are coming true…hes being sketchy as f***…everyone was soo in love with him, and as soon as he gets in he’s riding that “oh, I love that guy” response from the public to get away with all this crazy sh*t he’s pushing…

...catsports...

by bwellnjonesco on Feb 10, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Trust me, Bush was much worse

But that’s no reason to let Obama do everything he wants, unchallenged. No politician should ever get the kind of free ride Bush got his first term—it’s unhealthy for democracy.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Feb 10, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What do you and I get out of higher “economy ceilings”? I’d rather live in a place where the average citizen isn’t treated like a liability. European countries have been through everything we’re experiencing, and they’re doing things the right way.

As for free markets in America, that’s laughable. A truly free market system is made up of an infinite number of sellers and buyers. Neither group has the upper-hand over the other. Unfortunately, our businesses have gotten so big, and have received so much government protection, that they clearly have the upper-hand over the rest of us.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Feb 10, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

New definition for free market?

Not trying to get into politics here, just academics.

Infinite buyers and sellers are not a requirement of a free market. The main idea is that free market economics are not enocumbered by government regulation or interference. Scarcity is a part of the free market and it allows the laws of supply and demand to work.

Government protection of companies (the bailouts) and oppressive regulation do contradict the ideals of laissez faire capitalism in the U.S.

by parish on Feb 10, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

True Capitalism

Relies on an infinite number of sellers and buyers. Baseball is a great example of what our economy has become. One league has all the rights to the vast majority of baseball-related revenue. In this case, the League (team owners) could theoretically dictate to their employees exactly how much they make, because the employees can’t play baseball for a comparable salary anywhere else. That is why a strong union is absolutely vital in baseball and the rest of society—because we don’t have equal footing between sellers and buyers (in this example, it would be sellers and buyers of Labor).

As for gov’t regulation, it should only be done to simulate free market conditions when those wouldn’t otherwise exist. Again, baseball and other major sports are a great example. The gov’t says, “Sure, you guys can be the only game in town, but you can’t act like a monopoly with your employees (e.g., you can’t collude to keep their wages down)”. There’s nothing wrong with this kind of regulation, because it more or less simulates free market conditions. If the gov’t were to say, “Hey league, you can do whatever you want to your employees. And furthermore it’s illegal for the players to strike!”, that would be overregulation.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Feb 10, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

??????

I don’t know where you are getting these definitions, but they are news to me.

Capitalism is an economic system in which the means of production are privately owned and controlled.

Nothing in the definition of capitalism or a free market economy has anything to do with an infinite number of buyers and sellers, a requirement which mere logic reveals cannot exist.

I do agree, however, that MLB could be viewed as a monopoly (if baseball is an industry), but it is really more like a single corporation in the entertainment industry with regionally defined territories for its franchises.

by parish on Feb 10, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Of course you can't have an infinite number of buyers and sellers

But you get the drift. And the free market relies on that infinite number of buyers and sellers. Capitalism is more than just private firms owning the means of production, though that’s the biggest part. Wikipedia pretty much agrees with me (don’t know if that helps or hurts my argument, but their definition sounds like what I learned in school…).

Your definition of baseball as “a single corporation in the entertainment industry with regionally defined territories for its franchises” is the definition of a pure monopoly. That’s why MLB has an Anti-Trust exemption.

Did you go to school for economics or is this just a personal/professional interest? I minored in Econ, and I always found the theory portion fascinating. The math portion kicked my ass, though.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Feb 10, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Your correct on why the Union exist

but I don’t think it applies to the economy circumstances. We are in trouble because the finance sector over inflated the true value of any type of asset you can think of and that includes home appraisal’s. Bush was bad but he didn’t deregulate the banks (Bill did). Bush allowed it to continue because the economy was booming and it took pressure off his international agenda.

As for stimulation of market via government regulation? The bankruptcy of the large companies that were bailed out would have spurred stimulation without the help of government intervention. If Chrysler went out of business another car manufacturer would have bought the assets at a dramatic discount which would have increased their equity (viability) and gave them more options for production (i.e. there stock shoots up). If a company fails another always comes behind unless it’s a dead market. The same goes for the banking system. The problem with the banking system is that so many people would have lost their investments, however, that is a risk you take and everyone is aware of it before hand. Bush stopped it so the public wouldn’t panic and create another black tuesday because of the dooms day type media.

Also collusion of overvalued goods is not what happened. False or inflated comps are what pushed the finance sector and housing sector into their current state. Unfortunately even if you buy a house TODAY you are actually paying at least (the very least) 10% of what it’s actually worth. In Florida you can come across a foreclosure that is still overvalued by at least 25% of the whole asset. Banks consider these mortgages to be non performing assets and should take what they can get. However, if they actually sell it at it’s TRUE value this hurts the banks overall balance sheet and reduces the viability of their company even though they eliminated the non performing asset.

In conclusion baseball is a different beast. It has similarities but it’s very different. If those companies were allowed to fail (except for fannie Mae and Fred Mac) we would already see completely new banks acquiring the assets and hiring the people laid off. History never lies.

by Charmin519 on Feb 10, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Dude...

…no politics. These discussions never end well, besides, we just have to wait a couple of months and we’ll have a handful of books about how all this happened. Mine is going to be titled, “Cobra 3: You are now all owned by Arbco” — you have to be a real GI Joe nerd to get that one.

by gondeee on Feb 10, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus the fact that I’m sure there are a lot of people doing what I do and skipping right over the entire post…which makes it a big waste of time.

"Break's over"

by VegasAces on Feb 11, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I gotcha......

My original post did end with how I perceive the economy would affect Braves sales and fan attendance. I got back on later that day and saw that others had replied.

I didn’t think you minded since seven other post’s had occurred from my original post. I’ll stop but I honestly I didn’t think anyone minded since the conversation continued to develop.

by Charmin519 on Feb 11, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I minded.

www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Feb 11, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s just say I didn’t get there in time to put a stop to it. Now, believe me, I think that what you were talking about is an important topic (and I have my own opinions), but I try my best to keep this a sports blog and not interject too much politics and religion — those two things really get people fired up. This is a delicate post, because it naturally leads to talking about “why” we are where we are, but the post is about the effect, not the why.

Anyway, just try to remember to keep it about baseball stuff.

by gondeee on Feb 11, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

STOP

Before this delves further into political discussion.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 10, 2009 11:11 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Braves should trade KJ and let Prado start.

by soup du jour on Feb 10, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

At least it's baseball.

But nonetheless:

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Feb 10, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I tried something that would ruffle people’s feathers more than politics would.

I thought about bringing up Peavy, but that usually ends up in blood drawn.

by soup du jour on Feb 10, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Baseball, si!

Megadittos, royhobbs. I’ve seen too many websites devoted to baseball morph into slimefests when the offhanded political reference devolves into propaganda wars. Let’s limit the scornful Bush references to that high draft pick who got cut the other day.

As for Shanks, I’m sure his interest in player development is shared by many of us, and by the players and their families. The TV version of the Braves Show was an interesting experiment in local sports channel programming. Maybe he’ll find some way to do spring training reports for MLB Network. He should stick to broadcasting, because his prose style is atrocious, and the Braves page at scout.com is more overpriced than the housing market at its peak.

by JimK on Feb 10, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

says the guy who has been here for 2 days

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Feb 10, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You spelled political wrong.

Twice.

SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES

JOE-BO FOR THE BENCH IN 09

by bigjoe on Feb 10, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I did enjoy listening to his radio show in the afternoons, it was fairly entertaining. He did offer alot of Braves coverage, some of it highly biased, but i still enjoy hearing Braves talk on the radio. Now it’ll be just another ESPN station. I’d have to turn it when he would get fired up about the Georgia Sports Hall of Fame moving out of Macon, it was too intense for me. Just last week he suggested something to the tune of some of the state congressmen who wanted the HOF out of Macon being shot, or beaten in the street. Hmmm, i wonder if they have stake in Cumulus?

by 10-4 on Feb 10, 2009 11:51 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I live in Macon, and I haven’t heard anything about the Sports HOF moving…thats hard to believe since it is the largest state sports museum in the Country and it is conviently located next to the Georgia Music HOF…

...catsports...

by bwellnjonesco on Feb 10, 2009 11:58 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You obviously haven’t listened to Shanks enough. He was constantly concerned about the HOF moving to Atlanta, and warning about folks like Loren Smith who wanted it to happen. Shanks’ major cause was keeping the GA Sports HOF and HOF induction ceremony in Macon. How close it is to actually happening compared to what Shanks said remains to be seen.

by 10-4 on Feb 10, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Both of those halls of fame need to move to Atlanta or some other “tourist” destination (like Savannah). Neither one makes any money and are constantly being supported by state funds. The reason they were put there was purely political and not based on whether people would be likely to visit them.

by gondeee on Feb 10, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don’t listen to Shanks at all…

...catsports...

by bwellnjonesco on Feb 10, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Wow, I sort of called this the other day. Wondering if the “economic slowdown” was a convenient excuse for getting rid of a guy who’s too old and out of it to do his job effectively. I think the AJC might be able to use the same excuse for Furman Bisher…

www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Feb 10, 2009 1:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

fingers crossed

by gondeee on Feb 10, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Ever since..

..I read his book – I have little to no like for the guy. While informative on the Braves, it was a “Anti-Moneyball” book and he went out of his way to slam it at every turn. Not to mention it was obvious he either hadn’t read the book, or didn’t understand what the book was really about…just like most people who are quick to hammer the book…or the concept.

by RainDelay on Feb 10, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Moneyball sucks, everyone knows it was written by Billy Beane the computer

I'll handle u in spring training - phil413

by mattdiaz4life on Feb 10, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Computers can't play the game.

Go back to your mom’s basement.

by mburris1 on Feb 10, 2009 10:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Right here is where mattdiaz4life’s sig comes in handy…

"Break's over"

by VegasAces on Feb 11, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Feb 11, 2009 9:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

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