Glaus' Future
by JKowalek on Dec 23, 2009 2:19 PM EST
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Looking deeper into the Glaus (potential) signing, there may be a chance that if he proves worthy this year he could earn a contract with us for a few more. This year alone, Glaus will see some time at 3B. Chipper will need rest and probably get alittle banged up. Which begs the question is Mitch Jones the answer to fill the 1B role or should we still get someone like Garko. However, with names like Delgado, Huff, Laroche and others out there, you need to wonder if theres more to this that what we see. Glaus has one thing that none of them can say... He's a true 3B.
Does anyone truly think Chip's going to play out his contract? I hope he does but I'd say it's not likely, esp. with his comments towards the end of the year. Even if its not after this year, would Glaus get another go at 1B while Freeman waits, then for the 2012 season he moves to 3B?
What do you think?
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I do like Aubrey Huff…didn’t realize he was a free agent. Probably too much.
Delgado would be some nice insurance, but that might overkill.
Aubrey Huff = Blech
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
even as a backup 1B/ bench bat?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
The Braves next move should be..............
The Milk man should get flipped for prospects so now we get 4 prospects for JV. That saves use $3million and gives us i believe $9 million in total to spend. I would get DeRosa and Dye. Jermaine would play RF and DeRosa would Platoon at LF with Diaz and play 3rd base when Chipper needs a day off and Prado can move to first to give Glaus a day off and Omar can play 2nd base.
by AlRoBraves95 on Dec 24, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions
Dye in RF would be a disaster.
He can’t play in the field worth crap anymore. I’d love to say he is as bad as Garrett Anderson was last year, but I can’t, he’s worse. For the past four years in a row his UZR has been almost twice as bad as Anderson’s was in 2009; all in the -20 range. His fielding is so bad that unless he has an awesome season at the plate, he costs more runs in the field than he brings with the bat. His WAR has been negative two out of the last three years.
DeRosa costs at least $12 million over two years. That’s too much to pay for a platoon player. And he was no better a hitter than Melky was last year. I don’t see why we should trade a cheaper Melky just to sign the same value hitter for far more money.
Derosa
Would be a nice fit with him giving the braves a hometown discount but the question is do you want to give him the 3 yrs that he wants? 3/15 could get done that could play 3b/2b/1b/OF…Infante I like but I still think Dero would give us some insurance that has power to fill in for the Chipper/Glaus/Other areas when needed…Or Nady would be the other viable option
Remember that...
…DeRosa is not really any better a hitter than Melky. He is too overpriced to work, I think. Unless we need someone who can play second, we could get close to the same production at all four corner positions from a guy like Hinske who will be much cheaper.
I say we try to resign Kelly Johnson, he’s considering 2 mil from the Dbacks maybe we can lure him back for about 3 mil
Uhh, what?
Why in God’s name would you outspend a guy’s best offer by 50%.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I like the idea, but I admit that $3M is too much…they would have just offered him arbitration for that much.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 23, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Offer the same....
if he takes it, you can work him all over in the spring and hope he becomes a second super ut with Infante. Or worst case scenario I guess you’d call it, Prado struggles, KJ reclaims his job, and you have a familiar face back producing at 2B that’s young, cheap, and club controllable I think (pretty sure letting him go doesn’t change the service time/arb stuff).
But still…why not just offer him arb several weeks ago instead of going through all of that hoopla?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 24, 2009 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
Price tag
arb guarantees he could get a higher total than we wanted to pay apparently. To be honest, as much as I’d like him back, it ain’t likely to happen.
That’s my point…the OP said to sign him for $3M, but that is likely what his arb offer would have been. It makes non-tenduring him pointless.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
His offer?
I doubt it. At $2.8 last year, he would have gone for something closer to four mil than three.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
Then arbitration is bulls**t...
His salary should go down or stay level, not rise. He’s coming off a worse season, and going into a lesser role compared to last year. Arbitration should’t raise him much if any.
But that's not how the system works.
Fairly or unfairly, you can expect a raise almost every year, and you’re arguing on the basis of your whole career, not just the last one.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
The arbitration system is not all about how you did last year.
It is about how many years you have been eligible for arbitration. Great players in their first year of arbitration are still significantly underpaid. The idea of the system is that as you advance in the arbitration system, you get paid closer to your true value as you go along. Fangraphs rates even his very poor 2009 as having a value of $3.2 million. Given his previous good years, an arbitration award around $4 million would be fair.
I would sign DeRosa for may reasons. One being, if chiiper ever gets hurt Derosa can easily slide to 3rd base. If any of our outfielders gets hurt, same thing, slide him into the outfiled.
by AlRoBraves95 on Dec 24, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
but what good is it to have a guy who can play any position, but not very well?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 24, 2009 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
They give you insurance at every position on the field.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions
So you're saying he has flexibility?
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Doesn’t every team want like 2 of those guys to be utility players? They don’t usually want to pay 6 million a year to them, but every team needs them.
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Already got Infante and Prado...
we’ve got some decent depth right now…
C-McCann Ross Diaz Sammons
1B-Glaus Prado Diaz?/M Jones?
2B-Prado Infante Conrad Thurston etc
3B-Chipper Glaus Prado Infante Conrad
SS-Esco Infante Diory Thurston?
RF-Diaz Cabrera Heyward Infante/B Jones
CF-McLouth Cabrera Schafer Blanco
LF-Cabrera Diaz Infante B Jones/Prado/etc
could maybe use some better backup IF, but that’s not bad
Uhh...
Diaz will never, ever start a game at C or 1B.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn’t entirely rule out 1B, just say very unlikely, but no, he probably won’t ever even play C at all.
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McCann and Ross would have to get hurt in the same game, and it would have to be before the Sept. callups. He’s the “emergency catcher,” so starting a game is pretty damn unlikely.
by FineHamAbounds on Dec 24, 2009 7:12 PM EST up reply actions
Do I say he'll start?...
or just provide depth if need be? I doubt Prado ever starts a game in the OF, doesn’t mean he isn’t versatile enough to play there if we find ourselves in a bind. Hence, providing depth.
Prado did start a game in LF once, didn’t he? Can’t remember.
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Not just once...
Three times in ’08.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 26, 2009 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
Sorry, but Mitch Jones isn’t “the answer” to anything. He might start once a week, at most. Probably closer to twice a month…if he even makes the 25.
And I think Chipper will play out his contract if he can play at an adequate level. If he can’t, do we really want him to?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
Because thats not his best offer thats why he hasn’t accepted it yet.
“Johnson’s people told the D-Backs that he has better offers out there, but if all things were equal he’d prefer to play for them.”
Well of course they'd tell them that. Why wouldn't they? That's kind of their job.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 1:06 AM EST up reply actions
So then by your logic they’re telling that to the other teams that he hasn’t accepted the higher offers from?
They're certainly not telling him that he's getting no intetrest whatsoever.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
Nan we will add another veteran backup/bench bat.
Nan we will sign some to backup first base who knows ? Hopefully a cheaper veteran and plz no resigning Greg Norton.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Dec 24, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions
I agree...
…with everyone who says we should grab Eric Hinske for cheap, he has some pop off the bench and can back up 1st and 3rd where we have injury concerns and even play the outfield. Lock it up Wren.
Don't dismiss Mitch Jones
The Minors don’t always translate, but he didn’t have ONE great season. He had a bunch of great seasons in the Minors, enough to compile 235 home runs. He has a tiny sample size in the Pro’s, but he played very well. He hasn’t played enough to prove himself in the Pros, but he has done plenty at every other level
I’d actually have to say Jones has had the better career. Hessman for the career: 14 seasons, .229 average, .766 OPS, 311 HR, 1825 K (29% of his plate appearances). Jones for the career: 10 seasons, .255 average, .853 OPS, 253 HR, 1150 K (26%). Even for AAA, Hessman: 8 seasons, .238 avg, .813 OPS, 201 HR, 1006 K (27%) compared to Jones: 5 seasons, .270 avg, 905 OPS, 118 HR, 536 K (28%).
Hessman has him in most of the counting stats (because he didn’t go to college like Jones did so he has 4 extra seasons), which doesn’t mean much, and Hessman has way more time in the Majors, which isn’t something Jones can control, but other than that Jones has it all over him.
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That’s a great stat, except it ignores that it only accounts for 13 at bats. Over that short a period pretty much anyone can strike out in 46% of their at bats. For his Minor League career, 4447 plate appearances he’s struck out 27% of the time. Which do you think is more indicative of his actual ability, the one measured over a ten year career, or the one that accounted for a week?
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The week. Stats don’t count unless they are big league stats
by blitzerlover on Dec 26, 2009 2:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Sarcasm button on, I hope.
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What is this sarcasm of which you speak?
by blitzerlover on Dec 26, 2009 6:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The guy could be Jack Cust. And that’s not too bad.
by FineHamAbounds on Dec 27, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
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