Wren on 790
by Slee on Dec 22, 2009 9:34 PM EST
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PrintSome interesting things in Wren's interview on 790 today. When told about how fans wanted a 30hr 100rbi guy, he says that they are in the mix for someone who fits that description. He also goes on to say that there are some guys interested in playing for atlanta. His comments sounded pretty specific, thoughts on who he might be talking about?
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Wouldn’t be surprised to see Wren try to create a package centered around Freddie Freeman to lure A-Gon from the Padres.
He’s got something up his sleeve for sure… Frank Wren isn’t a moron (like a lot of people are accusing him of being), he knows what he’s doing. There’s a reason Vazquez is gone and we have some money lying around.
This!
Remember several weeks ago when Bobby alluded to a trade that was in the works?
Methinks that the mystery deal is still on the table, and first a SP had to be moved.
I love the return we got for Vaz – Vizcaino looks mighty impressive. Not to mention that in this interview, Wren called Cabrera a run scorer, not a run producer. I bet he bats him 1 or 2.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 22, 2009 9:55 PM EST up reply actions
I agree.
I think that the trade was pretty much finalized, Atlanta just needed to free up salary space first. I don’t know who will get traded, but I would not be surprised to see Schafer or Freeman as the centerpiece of the deal. Wren is definitely counting on Heyward to win a starting spot for Opening day though, so he’s still untouchable.
I wish like hell that we were making a serious play for Adrian Gonzalez – however, when asked about Laroche, Wren specifically mentioned that there preference was for getting a right handed bat, and Adrian Gonzalez is left-handed.
Hopefully that just means we are in the mix for some unexpected right-handed power bat. My hopes are seriously down at this point though. Wren could say 30 homer 100 rbi type guy and have a picture of Xavier Nady floating above his head.
by Sir Stealth on Dec 22, 2009 10:32 PM EST up reply actions
technically
he has the potential but i really hope thats not who he is thinking.
same with dye
by drumzalicious on Dec 23, 2009 6:51 AM EST up reply actions
I also agree with this, although I think Franky will try and avoid centering it around Freddie if possible because its almost 100% true that Gonzalez will walk when he becomes FA
I is for I can't wait for spring to get here- Matty D
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
Just curious...
Why would you say that?
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions
Because Wren said he was working on a “run scorer”. Also, SD said they would trade him for the right deal, we clearly have the prospects to do that. So, if I woke up one morning and found out that the Braves traded for A-Gon I wouldn’t be surprised- thats his forte, ie. the trade that requires gumption that nobody saw coming.
That being said, if Franky could center the package around, say Bethancourt, I think he would, because its almost guaranteed that A-Gon will walk in 2 years when the Sawx throw millions upon millions upon millions of dollars at him.
I is for I can't wait for spring to get here- Matty D
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
Centering a package...
…around Bethancourt just ain’t gonna get it done.
Why would any of that imply Gonzalez wouldn't resign here.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
maybe he would, i dunno. Not like it matters anymore….
I is for I can't wait for spring to get here- Matty D
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
I would hardly say that.
Glaus at $2 mil isn’t exactly breaking the bench for a backup PH/CI.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
true but I don’t think FW is going to go out and get A-Gon now that he signed Glaus seemingly to start
I is for I can't wait for spring to get here- Matty D
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
He also wouldn't say no if he got an opportunity to acquire him for a reasonable price.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but unless SD calls up and says “Hey, take Gonzalez for much less than we’ve been asking for,” you’d have to guess Wren isn’t going to be calling them.
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So you're saying it could happen
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
When did FW ever say that Glaus would start? He gets 2 million, plus incentives based on playing time. This works out perfectly for a bench player. Basically, he can be our big bat off the bench. If Chipper goes down, which is more of an when than if, he plays 3rd. He can play 1st if our starter get injured too. If he plays enough, read, we are dealing with some injuries, he will get some incentives.
If he's healthy,...
he starts. If not, then he’s on the DL. A healthy Glaus doesn’t sit on the bench, unless you are sitting your best players.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 26, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
Dear Frank,
I used to be a huge fan of your work and had supported you from day 1. However, after trading Javy today, i’m a little bitter. Please make me a believer again.
I used to like Frank Wren...not anymore. I want John Schierholz back!
by Scott Coleman on Dec 22, 2009 9:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Don’t give up hope and give in to the masses…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 22, 2009 9:56 PM EST up reply actions
lol
I think i am the masses. Rough day of baseball news along with 3 hours of sleep doesn’t mix well.
NOTE TO ALL: Make sure your fire alarm’s have good batteries. Last night, my f’ing fire alarm went off 3 times cause the batteries were bad and it was giving me a “friendly warning” (as it said on the instructions manual). Oh, and the fire alarm that was going off just happened to be the highest one in my house. I didnt get to fix it until this evening. FML.
I used to like Frank Wren...not anymore. I want John Schierholz back!
by Scott Coleman on Dec 22, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
He will
This trade was about Arodys Vizcaino not Melky Cabrera. We got a great prospect and did not have to eat any salary. And Cabrera can help us in 2010. He is a good OF not great but good. So now we can focus on getting a top 1B and the team will be on great shape for next season.
I still wish Wren offered arb to LaRoche but I guess he wanted to see how everything else was going to pan out. But if he accepted that one year for $8 to $10 for a year would have made our team VERY strong next year. Although is easy to say it now that we can look back.
Faith, my brother. Jesus turned water into wine but Wren turned Renteria into Jurrjens and Kotchman into LaRoche. These trades initially confounded us all but the wisdom was eventually revealed. Always remember, Wren works in mysterious ways. Patience.
Wren Be Praised.
WWFWD?
by !Vive la Francoeur! on Dec 23, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
I'm proud to have been on board with both of those moves.
:)
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
i think youre being a bit harsh
he had said from day one they would trade a starter. it was apparent that no one was taking lowe AT ALL so thats when he resorted to dealing javy. we got Vizcaino.
HE and no one else is the center piece to this trade. Cabrera is likely being looked at as a 4th outfielder.
yea it sucks to trade javy but he is the one who gave us a good return AND we pay no salary not to mention improve our bullpen with dunn instead of logan and we get a young fireballer to add to what might be the deepest ranks of minor league starting pitching.
he has already said he isnt done just be patient and not asses him till the end of the offseason.
by drumzalicious on Dec 23, 2009 4:42 AM EST up reply actions
His comments about Adam LaRoche aren’t very encouraging to me…basically, if we can’t land a RH bat, Adam may be an option…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 22, 2009 9:57 PM EST reply actions
but he didn’t hit .400!
I used to like Frank Wren...not anymore. I want John Schierholz back!
by Scott Coleman on Dec 22, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
I'm sure Adam loves to hear that-
after the show he put on here in 09 (arguments about first half value notwithstanding) he’s a last resort? That’s the position FUGA was in, surely he deserves more respect and consideration than that. I really don’t understand that line of thinking with him- unless you want to bet on a rebound from a Glaus or a Delgado, which is a gamble, there’s no FA 1B that’s an upgrade over Adam, and you’d have to sell the farm to get an upgrade in a trade (i.e. Fielder, A-Gon…), yet we don’t even offer teh guy arbitration? What do we get if he accepts? A safe bet to hit 25-30 HRs, light it up during the playoff push, and play league average defense at worst while avoiding one of many more risky signings, who is also on a 1 year deal that won’t block Freeman if he is ready next year. And if he declines? A draft pick. There was absolutely nothing to lose in that deal. Maybe I’m missing something entirely here, but it just feels like we’re giving him an awfully cold shoulder for no discernible reason.
If he accepts, we're stuck with another unbudgeted $7-10 mil on the payroll
Surely you noticed that kind of thing is hard to overcome in the last 24 hours or so.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions
We still need to pay that $8 to $10 mil to someone
I have agreed to every decision so far by Wren except no ofering arb to LaRoche. J-Freak explained well. If he acepted we would have had one of the best if not of the best 1B of any of the FA. We always knew that we need it him so why not offer arb. Him taking it would have been great. If he didn’t then the draft picks would not hurt
Since when did baseball’s offseason free agents’ emotions become everyone’s top concern?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 23, 2009 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
There was once another trade that many Brave’s fans were pissed about that Frank Wren made…in fact, there were a couple…remember that time he traded one of our top hitting prospects for that Vazquez guy? Most people didn’t like that deal.
There was also that one time he traded away our All-Star SS for some scrub pitcher named Jair Jurrjens…many people were scratching their heads after that one too!
I think this one is along the same lines. If anyone is looking at Melky Cabrera as the primary return for Vaz, they are kidding themselves. Vizcaino is the prize here folks.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 22, 2009 9:59 PM EST reply actions
Seriously. I remember being ecstatic we got Jair from them, much less Jair plus Gorkys.
by coldriver10 on Dec 22, 2009 11:40 PM EST up reply actions
There are exceptions like you and me. Braves’ Nation as a whole though, was very against that move.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 23, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
ah
I don’t even think I was coming here yet, so I’ll take your word for it.
by coldriver10 on Dec 23, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
I think you may be confusing the initial Renteria trade where we shipped Marte out for him. There was massive negative reaction across the board on that one.
by soup du jour on Dec 23, 2009 1:09 AM EST up reply actions
Another example of misguided fan anger...
look at the progeny there to: Andy Marte for Renteria and cash, get a great year from Renteria, and flip him for Jurrjens and Gorkys, get great production so far from Jurrjens, and flip Gorkys for McLouth.
So for Andy Marte, Charlie Morton, and Jeff Locke, we get cash, a great year from Renteria, Jair Jurrjens, and Nate McLouth. Damn. Just damn.
That anger was justified, in my opinion. Marte was a freakin’ stud, and it was the belief of many that if we were to trade him he definitely could’ve fetched more than Rents, who was coming of a terrible stint in Boston…that would be like us trading Freeman for, oh, lets say Miguel Tejada. Sure, looking back its great, but at the time it was inane.
by soup du jour on Dec 23, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry but this makes no sense to me. Is not what you describe exactly the quality you are looking for in your GM. You want him to value the players future seasons right.
Wren did an absolutely fantastic job in these trades. He deserves the credits not comments like it was insane. He did pull the trigger at the right moment against the believe of many, but in the end he was right.
At first i was dissapointed as well about the Vazquez trade but after sleeping it over I am curious to see what Vizcaino will do three years from now.
by Dutch Braves Fan on Dec 23, 2009 3:29 AM EST up reply actions
20/20 hindsight sure,...
but Marte was not a “stud”. He has been pretty worthless at the major league level, and we got a damn good return for him including cash and ultimately multiple great seasons that dwarf anything Marte has done in his career.
At the time, he still was.
Even though his minor league numbers were falling already, he still came to Boston as one of their very best prospects.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
So we sold at the right time,...
for what turned out a great return for us. Sounds like a damn good deal to me.
I'm not telling you that's not true.
But people still had plenty of reason to be upset at the time.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Like they could be upset when we sent Renteria for prospects...
or a good young slugger with light tower power for Vasquez. People get upset, but then people can also be fools.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 23, 2009 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
I dunno, I think the Marte deal had the highest potential to blow up out of those three.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 23, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions
but, it didn’t…which is kind of the point.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 23, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
I assume you are being sarcastic…so yeah. There really isn’t any other way to judge a trade. Kinda like a draft.
Like my Jags this year – took a ton of flak from Mel Kiper and the likes for drafting Derek Cox in the 5th round, calling him the reach of the draft…well, whose laughing now, Mr. Ugly Hair???
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 23, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Haha...the 5th wouldn't have been so bad.
It was that he went in the 3rd that had everybody up in arms. But just because a guy performs to his overdrafted position doesn’t mean he could have been had later.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 24, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
Ooops. I meant 3rd round. Good catch!
The thing is, he would not have been available later – there were 3 other teams interested in taking him almost immediately after the Jags did.
Either way, GM Smith proved that the GMs know the business better than some over-hyped analyst with a 70s hair-do.
This also proves true for baseball. GMs aren’t stupid – even the stupid ones…well, maybe with the possible exception of Omar Minaya.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 24, 2009 8:30 AM EST up reply actions
No, trapping you on Tex...
when you said I was wrong for looking at the playoff part as hindsight. As you said, whether it had the potential to blow up or not, it didn’t, so great trade. Like Tex, could have been the key to the World Series. It wasn’t, and turned out massive fail.
I Like It (Somewhat)
I’ve been saying for years that I think the Braves have a chance to get younger while still contending for the division now. Vaz for one year might be the best 2010 starter we had but we’re not going to resign him and he was sure to net more than Lowe. We can look at this (perhaps ideally) as the opportunity to get something back similar to the Tex deal while freeing money to a long term bat.
How do you know we weren't going to resign him?
He did a fantastic job and we loved him for it, he loved playing for Atlanta and has already said he wanted to stay. Who’s to say he wouldn’t go the Huddy route and sign a team-friendly contract to stick around? Maybe not for Hudson’s 9M, but maybe something comparable to what he’s already making, 11-12M.
Maybe he still will in 2011…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 23, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Rumor has it Wren is gonna flip Melky and Dunn, throw in a couple of low level pitching prospects, send the Cards GM a box of chocolates and a midget stripper and land Pujols.
Dude, you know that's a load of crap.
The midget stripper is one of our untouchables. If she is touched, the bouncers will beat the crap out of you. ;)
Thanks.
I love his answer to the Laroche question. He really sounds like hes not offering Laroche anything.
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
They made me change my signature...
I liked how the interviewer kept calling Wren “Big guy.”
It did sound promising. Though he may be being optimistic thinking that Nady can be that 30/100 guy. If that’s who he’s referring to, I’m going to be disappointed….
O dear lord no.
Nady couldn’t be that guy if he sold his soul to the devil. Please, Wren, don’t be that guy…
After listening to it, color me a skeptic. The way I interpreted it is that there are free agents that we’re looking at, not trades (evidence: ’We’ve got a couple of guys interested in us.‘) We’re also looking for a RH bat. So looking at the free agents who fit that bill in the OF and 1B department, and fit in our budget, I’d say its even odds that its going to be Jermaine Dye…concrete glove and all.
if Dye is his answer i will jump on the skeptic boat
by drumzalicious on Dec 23, 2009 4:46 AM EST up reply actions
If it is Dye...
…I will jump on the skeptic boat and then just jump overboard without a life preserver. Dye is the one guy out there with FUGA potential.
Sorry about the link i tought i had pasted something else.
According to ken rosenthal you can stay on board, Braves are close to signing Glaus according to him.
by Dutch Braves Fan on Dec 23, 2009 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
You can stay on according to Ken Rosenthal via Twitter it is Troy Glaus.
by Dutch Braves Fan on Dec 23, 2009 9:39 AM EST reply actions
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