The best part about signing Billy Wagner...
...is how beside themselves Mets fans are that they could have gotten two draft picks from us, and instead settled for a couple of organizational filler first basemen from the Red Sox.
Icing...on...cake!
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I am sort of ambivalent on the signing...
…Wagner is a very good pitcher and the money seems fair, but I hate losing the first round pick.
That all being said, I think we can all enjoy the oops by the Mets!
we arent really "losing" a 1st round pick
we’re just swapping our #20 pick for two other picks. we will more than likely get 2 1st round picks for Gonzo and Soriano, so it wont hurt that bad.
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by Scott Coleman on Dec 2, 2009 11:13 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
No, we will likely get...
…2 second round picks for Gonzo and Soriano. The teams without protected picks who are likely to sign Gonzo and Soriano but not a higher free agent (i.e. Red Sox/Holliday) are practically non-existant. If we get one first round pick for the two, I would be thrilled (and even then it would likely be the Yankees final pick of the first round), but it is far more likely that we get two second rounders.
oh, i forgot about the first 15 picks being protected. bummer.
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by Scott Coleman on Dec 2, 2009 11:42 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
1st or 2nd,...
make good picks is the key. You can find quality players in round 2 and the supplemental round also (and we have often lately), although they have a slightly lower success rate than 1st round picks.
Or maybe
nobody will sign Gonzo OR Soriano and the Braves will have three closers earning around $25 million combined next year.
don't really mind losing a first round pick
Because the chances of our pick actually panning out is fairly low. The 1999 draft with superstars such as Eric Munson, Corey Myers, and B.J. Garbe taken in the top five picks.
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by was385 on Dec 2, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Amen. I’ll take a major league player who can help the Braves make the playoffs over a draft pick that may never even crack AAA any day.
That's short term thinking.
Of course a major league Class A free agent is likely to be a better player than a draft pick. However, in these days of limited finances, we have to look at the value. A free agent signee is almost by definition at market value. Outside of idiotic signings and huge bargains (the Wagner signing is neither), they tend to earn their value. Studies have shown, however, that draft picks are the most cost efficient way to obtain talent. They don’t always pan out, but when they do, the six years of team control at reasonable costs is the best value you can get, even if the player got a healthy signing bonus. Where would we be if we didn’t have players like McCann, Escobar, Prado, and Hanson at below market rates? If you continually give away draft picks, it will sufficate you eventually unless your team has the payroll capacity of the Yankees. I don’t think you can just never sign Class A free agents, but the cost of the draft pick should figure in the calculus and be correctly valued.
How many of the guys you listed were first round picks?
I see your point but it also kind of runs into mine. How many first round picks do we have right now in their team controlled years. There are so many rounds and HS talent is so raw in baseball that almost all of your MLB talent will come from later rounds. I’ll gladly give up that small chance to sign a closer which we have no other way to really acquire.
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by was385 on Dec 2, 2009 2:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
McCann was second rounder, Escobar a second rounder, Prado an international free agent, and Hanson was a 22nd rounder…how does this prove your point? At all?
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Freeman was a second rounder too wasn't he?...
sounds like the Braves have enough success in the 2nd to make that argument a moot point.
Yes, he was. The Braves have gotten much better value out of the international market and later rounds than they have out of the 1st. They’ve done well in the supplemental round too, which is where we could end up with 2 picks. You end up spending less money once you get out of the early 1st round, so when you have a bunch of picks you can spread out the money you’d spend on a high 1st rounder and diversify, spreading out your risk.
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And we still have picks...
bickering over whether they are 18th, 29th, or 52nd, is irrelevant in my mind. I understand you have better odds with the higher pick, and of course more options to choose from, but you still have to make a good choice, and then get lucky with health and development of that choice. We’ve had some pretty good suplemental and second round picks too (Devall, Salty, Freeman, etc).
The comments section of the ESPN article is pretty entertaining…gotta love Omar!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
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Omar: "Well he isn't Hispanic ..."
Reporter: How will you address all of the dropped passes?
Mike Smith: I don’t think that we were as sharp as we have been catching the football. It’s something that is very fixable. It’s VERY fixable.
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