Mark DeRosa?
by J-Freak on Dec 17, 2009 2:09 PM EST
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Per MLBTR (the Olney article referenced is insider-only, so i can't get the info straight from the horse's mouth):
Mark DeRosa's asking price appears to have come down - Olney says it's in the three-year, $18MM range. Still seems too pricey, but it's a step in the right direction.
I've read, I think from Mark Bowman, that the Bravos have been keeping sort of a lateral eye on DeRosa, while acknowledging his price would have to come down for them to be seriously interested. The figure he put out was about $5M a year, do you guys think 6 is close enough? If so, is this a guy we want to bring back in?
My personal take is that he's no Holliday, certainly, but unless Wren has a really blockbuster trade up his sleeve that he's waiting to dish out after he moves Lowe's contract, De-Ro in LF might be one of the best remaining options on the market, and at 6M he leaves plenty of salary room for trying to find some sort of 1B option. I know he doesn't have the glitz and glamor of guys like Holliday, Cameron, et al., but with those options either off the board or out of our price range, he seems like a pretty good option to avoid having to slap GA 2.0 out there after the market dries up. Thoughts?
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make it happen frank…we need to sign someone before i lose my mind
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
Chill out, your acting like those damn liberals…
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by bwellnjonesco on Dec 17, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
That made me smile.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 17, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Why politics?
I’m one of those damn liberals, and you’re obviously one of those damn Republicans. Why does that matter here? We should be able to make dick jokes and post dirty pictures and talk baseball with each other, without irrelevent stuff (as far as TC is concerned) getting in the way.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
If I may, he might have been more referring to the ones in office in washington, versus all those that vote that way, because of the way they’re trying to rush that B.S. bill through Congress.
Thanks!
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by bwellnjonesco on Dec 18, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions
lmao
Somebody around here is more anal than the mom on 7th heaven. Freakin' A. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Dec 17, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
I guess he's noticing the lack of demand?....
how about we offer 2 years, for $10-12m, with an option for a 3rd if he plays 270+ games?
I don’t want him, but google his wife.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
If we sign someone like DeRosa for $6+M, then why not just keep KJ for $3M?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 17, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions
Cause KJ sucks…DUH!
:)
just kidding. Don’t get all mad at me!
Very valid question. Maybe cause DeRo can play all over the field?
In Frank Wren I trust.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 17, 2009 6:27 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Yeah, i know you just like to josh a little – as do I!
: )
Seriously though, I don’t know how KJ’s arm is after the TJ, but he too can play all over the field. Nobody has ever accused Mark DeRosa of being a brick wall on the defensive side of things, so I don’t think it would be a significant difference in the drop-off of the D talent.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 17, 2009 7:02 PM EST up reply actions
He ONCE could play more than one position.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 18, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
Mark DeRosa’s last two years: .268 AVG, .805 OPS, 44 HR, 165 RBI, played 2B, 3B, LF, RF, 1B, and even a game at SS.
Kelly Johnson’s last two years: .265 AVG, .758 OPS, 20 HR, 98 RBI, played only 2B.
If this doesn’t answer your question, well, I know it won’t, but maybe it will for someone else.
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By the way CB, quoting counting stats isn’t a good strategy when one of the guys has been hurt and lost his starting job.
That’s sort of the point. He lost his starting job and if he hadn’t this wouldn’t even be a topic. He asked why pay money for DeRo and not for KJ, this is a pretty good answer, regardless of the reasons.
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Agreed
Spending double the money on DeRosa is not smart, to say the least. DeRo could very easily be in his decline phase, whereas KJ should be entering his prime. And let’s not forget that DeRo only has only really good season.
Obviously, there are major differences of opinion on the KJ vs. Prado issue, but I don’t think any rational person would think it’s a good idea to give DeRo more money and years than we would give to KJ.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
IMO, dero is not the kind of guy you want to give 3 yrs/$18 mil to at this point. I think that his risk of decline is similar to KJ’s risk of not bouncing back to his 07-08 form. Everyone talks about his versatility, but he’s not particularly good at any position (except RF), which negates that “strength”. So my question is, if you were FW, would you give 3 yrs/$18 mil to dero or 1 yr/$3 mil (although I seriously doubt he’ll get that much) to KJ? I’m not saying I’d prefer either one, but one guy requires a serious financial committment with significant downside risk, while the other guy requires a small financial committment with significant downside risk.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Dec 18, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
But, one of those also has significantly more upside, and it isn’t the expensive one.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 18, 2009 12:10 PM EST up reply actions
They both do, and neither are great at it.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 18, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions
No Kelly hasn't.
!! !
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 18, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
Yes Kelly has
!! !
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 18, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
Not really. I agree, Kelly likely could play around the field. But the reality is that since 2005 he hasn’t played anywhere but second base. He hasn’t proven that he can be a versatile defender as a Major Leaguer. He has the potential to, because he’s played around the diamond in his pro career, but he hasn’t actually proven it.
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fair enough, although i think he should get some credit for his LF play in 05
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Dec 18, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not saying he didn't prove he COULD.
But he hasn’t proven he can. He hasn’t played anywhere else since TJ, and if he had the ability to (particularly once he hit the bench), I don’t see why they wouldn’t have let him.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 19, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
He reportedly got an offer for $2 mil from Arizona.
And DeRosa’s got proven ability to play all over the diamond. Kelly doesn’t even remotely have that.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 18, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
KJ was good in the OF in 05
Not as recent as I’d like, but he’s shown the ability and work ethic to learn a new position before. I don’t think he’d have to put in the kind of time to “re-learn” 3B and SS that he did to learn 2B. Dero is below average at the infiled spots and above average in the OF. I think KJ can learn to be below average at 3B/SS, and showed in a SSS that he can be above average in the OF. I’d take that gamble for $2 mil.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
I'm not talking about his mental ability to handle it.
I’m talking about his physical ability to. Among the reasons he got moved from the OF was to compensate for any arm issues he’d have post-TJ. And he hasn’t played anywhere since.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 19, 2009 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
DeRosa is a useful piece...
…with a first baseman—-he can play OF for a couple of months if Heyward doesn’t make the opening day line-up or be a super-utility guy if he does. He isn’t the major answer to our problems, however, and we shouldn’t offer him enough money to even slightly downgrade our pursuit of a 1B. I am fairly ambivalent on DeRosa.
Yeah DeRosa isn’t the answer. Let’s get Lowe off the books and try to acquire a big bat at first base. I’d be fine with an outfield of Diaz, McClouth and Heyward.
by WNWDOTCOM on Dec 17, 2009 10:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
which power threat do you suggest the Braves get?
In Frank Wren I trust.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 17, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
I’d make a serious push for Adrian Gonzalez.
by WNWDOTCOM on Dec 17, 2009 11:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
it sounds like the Sox are gonna get him
and I doubt we would consider throwing a package together that’s better than Jacoby Ellsberry (Sp?), Clay Bucholz plus prospects.
Well, I guess we could, but I doubt the Braves would go for it.
I love me some AGon tho.
In Frank Wren I trust.
by Scott Coleman on Dec 17, 2009 11:17 PM EST up reply actions
Come on.
Aren’t the Red sox rumored to get everyone? Let’s see, I’ve heard rumors that they are in on Hanley Ramirez, Roy Halladay, Prince Fielder, Felix Hernandez, Josh Johnson, etc. Whenever a big name is put on the trade market, the Red Sox are always considered the front runner. Always.
It’s a little different this time. They made a hard (failed) run at him in July before snagging their consolation prize in V-Mart. Then a guy from their FO became the new SD GM, which started the specualtion that that would help get a deal done, but all of that died within two weeks, and now in the last couple of days there is new news that they’re making another hard push for him. This is beyond the usual “he’s trade bait, they’re big market” generic speculation. They REALLY want this guy, but SD for obvious reasons is holding him until they get hit with an offer they can’t refuse.
Since you want an outfield of Diaz, McLouth, and Heyward...
…how would we make a serious push. The Padres aren’t going to move him unless they get blown away by an offer and I would think that would require Heyward or Hanson, and we aren’t going to give them up. That’s the problem with really, really big bats—-to get them, you have to pay a ton of salary or a ton of talent or both.
The rumored deal the Red Sox have put together is Jacoby and Bucholz. We could do better than that, surely?
Schafer could have had as much value as Ellsbury if he hadn’t snapped his wrist this year, they’re comparable, though theoretically Schafer gives back Ellsbury’s boatload of SB’s for a little more power and stronger defense (Ells isn’t exactly the slickest fielder out there, he was an absolute butcher this year according to UZR). We don’t have a match for Bucholz though, except for Hanson, whom we won’t move. Schafer and a guy like Spruill or Teheran would be close, but to top it we’d have to add Freeman, which we won’t do. This is all pointless anyway, as SD hasn’t so much as hinted that there package is in the right ballpark yet, so who knows how much more we’d have to give up to swing a deal like that. The Pads are sitting pretty in those negotiations, and thanks to his exceptionally cheap contract they can hold him until someone sells the farm for him.
The latest is that there isn't much of a chance of that happening.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 18, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
i wouldnt be to upset
DeRosa could play 1B and spell chipper at 3B when he gets his days off. Then hopefully juan rivera for lowe and we’re set
by drumzalicious on Dec 17, 2009 10:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
We won't get Rivera for Lowe.
And there are better options for 1B for the same price than DeRosa. DeRosa works as a reasonably priced OF/utilitiy option, not at 1B.
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