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Halladay the Philly as imposing as it sounds?

Well, first of all, I'll go ahead and say I expect there to be a fair amount of discourse on this. At first I was simply trying to put a silver lining on our division rival getting one of the biggest pitchers in the game, but as it has already been much discussed here and on The Good Phight, this situation may already have a silver lining for Braves fans, with all the talent Philly is shipping out.

My main question going into my research on the matter was "How good has Halladay been in his career at Citizens Bank Park?" The answer to that is much too small a sample size to give any accurate measure. In Halladay's lone appearance at CBP, he went 2 1/3 scoreless innings of relief, actually being credited with a hold. So, not much there, but let's look a little further:

Halladay's career line: 148-76. 3.43 ERA/1.20 WHIP/.255 BAA. Not too shabby at all. Even when you take away the fact that Halladay is 38-10 in his career against the Yankees and Orioles, the 110-66 record that remains is still awesome. However, the two teams he has most dominated in his career are now simply teams he will face at most twice per season. What has he done in his career against the NL East? Let's take a look:

Vs. The Braves - (1-0) 10 2/3 IP (one start) 7 hits, 8 strikeouts and a dinger for a 0.84 ERA. Small sample size, but yikes.

Vs. The Mets - (2-2) 24 1/3 IP, 34 hits against 15 strikeouts, four dingers and a 5.55 ERA. And they've hit .337 off him.

Vs. The Fish - (0-1) 9 IP (two starts) 13 hits to 7 strikeouts, a 5.00 ERA and a .371 BAA.

Vs. The Natinals - (5-1) 59 2/3 IP, 50 hits to 44 strikeouts and a 2.56 ERA. Way to take it out on the little guys.

Varying sample sizes with varying results to say the least, but let's look at some more numbers. In Halladay's career at The Rogers Centre, he has gone 83-34 with a 3.23 ERA, 1.12 WHIP and .243 BAA. He's no slouch on the road, but there is a noticeable difference away from the dome, where he is 65-42 with a 3.64 ERA, 1.28 WHIP and .267 BAA. 30 of his 49 complete games and 10 of his 15 shutouts have come at The Rogers Centre. That's not exactly Matt Holliday and Coors Field, but it's something nonetheless. His turf/grass splits are also indicative of at least some difference in quality. On turf, both in Toronto and elsewhere, Halladay has compiled a career line of 98-39 with a 3.21 ERA, 1.12 WHIP & .245 BAA. On grass, he's 50-37 with a 3.76 ERA, 1.31 WHIP & .269 BAA. On grass, Halladay walks slightly less than one batter more per 9 IP than on turf, while striking out nearly one fewer.

This, not to mention that the ball jumps a bit more out at Citizen's Bank than The Rogers Centre, Halladay's tenure in Philly at least seems to have some of the rocky potential that we Braves fans could hope for. At the very least, we could hope for some adjustment period of him learning to pitch in the little league stadium he just signed on for. Don't think they won't boo you, Roy. Because they will. And they have batteries. Which they can throw harder than Jamie Moyer.

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Nice post

Some good info. If the Muts can hit him, I’m sure we can too.

I don’t think this was a great move on the Phillies part. Halladay isn’t a huge upgrade over Lee, they had to ship out some quality prospects, and Halladay will be costing roughly 1/6th of their payroll starting in 2011 – that’s fine with me! Plus, IMO I think Halladay will digress slightly every year. It’s a good day to be a Braves fan.

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by alligatorimpersonator on Dec 15, 2009 3:40 PM EST reply actions  

I think you mean regress, not digress, but I get what you mean. =]

by ATLforlife on Dec 15, 2009 7:14 PM EST up reply actions  

haha wow did I say digress?

My apologies. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

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by alligatorimpersonator on Dec 15, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you sure those numbers are right? I thought KK dueled him and beat him earlier this year?

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Dec 15, 2009 3:43 PM EST reply actions  

Halladay wasn’t the pitcher of record in that game. The 1 run came off of the Jays bullpen

by BigG1392 on Dec 15, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions  

ah, gracias.

Now it makes sense.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Dec 15, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Like you said, too small a sample size for us to be worried about Halladay. But you’re right, the sky isn’t falling.

by ATLforlife on Dec 15, 2009 7:13 PM EST reply actions  

I’m not that worried. Halladay’s probably the best pitcher in baseball, but the difference between him and Cliff Lee isn’t THAT big. And with a little bit of luck in the schedule, we’ll get to face Blanton, Hamels, and/or Moyer waaaaay more often more than Roy.

That said, I’m not all that disappointed at the prospect of watching the guy pitch (as long as we beat him, of course). Aside from playing for Philly, I just can’t find anything not to like about the guy.

by FineHamAbounds on Dec 16, 2009 3:44 PM EST reply actions  

Yeah, he’s been my favorite non-Brave pitcher for quite some time now.

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by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 16, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions  

I met him once back in like 2000 and he was really cool. I’ve always been a fan.

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by cbwilk on Dec 16, 2009 4:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Still got a stack of his rookie cards back home somewhere

Even if he is a Philly at least he’s not a dirty goddamn Yankee.

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by The Keith Lockhart Era on Dec 17, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions  

There definitely is a silver lining

The Phillies mortgaged the future for another chance at the world series. Halladay has been every bit of an ace. He is also 33 years old, and the Phillies “young core” are all about to hit the 30 mark or have already passed it. Not that they are all going to suddenly become financial burdens on the team or have dramatic career downturns, but you know what I am getting at.

by Andy Braves Fan on Dec 16, 2009 3:52 PM EST reply actions  

I don't see how he could do much better than Lee did.

I fully understand the career of Halladay has been MUCH more impressive than Lee. But based on Lee’s time in Philly it’s hard to imagine anyone doing better than he did. Based on how well he did for them I understand why their fans have a problem with giving up him and some good prospects.

I expect Halladay to continue to be sensational pitching for Philly. I don’t, however, see him winning 25 games a year as MLBN suggested.

I take Vaz, Huddy, KK, and young phenoms Hanson, and JJ a million times over Halladay, a suddenly soft Hamels and whoever else they trot out there.

by Fischerking on Dec 17, 2009 11:55 AM EST reply actions  

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