25 Man Roster: A Quick Reference
Many times reading through the blogosphere I see fans ask about how the Braves payroll stands or how much such and such player makes. Because of this I decided I would post a current projected 25 man roster with all the salary info included and all the numbers crunched.
| Lineup | ||
| 5.5 | McCann | C |
| 0.4 | Freeman | 1B |
| 0.4 | Prado | 2B |
| 0.4 | Escobar | SS |
| 13 | Chipper | 3B |
| (3) | Cabrera | LF |
| 4.5 | McLouth | CF |
| 0.4 | Heyward | RF |
| 27.6 | TOTAL | |
| Bench | ||
| 2.55 | Diaz | OF/PH |
| 2.225 | Infante | UTL |
| 1.6 | Ross | BUC |
| 0.4 | Hernandez | INF |
| 0.4 | Clevlen | BN |
| 7.175 | TOTAL | |
| Rotation | ||
| 0.4 | Jurrjens | SP |
| 9 | Hudson | SP |
| 15 | Lowe | SP |
| 0.4 | Hanson | SP |
| 6.67 | Kawakami | SP |
| 31.47 | TOTAL | |
| Pen | ||
| 6.75 | Wagner | CL |
| 3.2 | Saito | SU |
| (1.5) | Moylan | MR |
| 0.4 | O'Flaherty | MR |
| 0.4 | Medlen | MR |
| 0.4 | Chavez | MR |
| 0.4 | Reyes | SWG |
| 13.05 | TOTAL | |
| 79.295 | Grand Total | |
| 15.705 | Remaining | |
Please note that this is in no way final. I do not expect there is any chance Freeman will be our starting firstbasemen. This is merely a guess of how the 25 man would look like if today was opening day. Things will change from now until the end of spring training and if people like this post I will keep it updated as things change.
EDIT #1 Dec 22: Updated with Vazquez deal changes and I dropped Moylan to a 1.5 estimate from 2. Obviously the roster took a hit with Javy gone but the ammount remaining rose above 15M and we added a very solid four star spec to our already loaded bevy of young arms. Still some work to do but the first domino has fallen and we have some cash to work with.
*PS: Do not discuss players not currently in the Braves organization. This is a post to discuss our current roster and track the status of our payroll.
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This is useful
Thanks for doing this. Rec’d.
by Andy Braves Fan on Dec 14, 2009 11:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
This is useful, but I am pretty certain...
…that if the season began today, Schafer would be in AAA, Diaz would be in the OF and someone else would be on the bench.
by cavebird on Dec 14, 2009 12:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looking at your comment again...
…I think I can see what you are doing—-Freeman is listed at 1B because well we don’t have anyone above him in the system right now. Still not sure about Schafer, but I guess it makes sense to use the kids as placeholders until we know who will be there.
by cavebird on Dec 14, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we don't add a 1B...
I think we’d let Canizares work out for a little bit instead of rushing Freeman up.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where did you get this? I did a search, and all i can find was that he passed through waivers unclaimed. His player page says he is currently signed.
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by 10-4 on Dec 14, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t know that. Maybe we did keep him.
by bbxxj on Dec 14, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He was designated for assignment, cleared waivers, and was assigned to Gwinnett.
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by cbwilk on Dec 14, 2009 5:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve just got the kids as placeholders there as you noted. I don’t think Diaz will start but will get a lionshare of bench PT along with Infante; Diaz platooning with all three LH OFers and Infante spelling all INF positions (2B with Prado to 1B in relief of the 1Bmen) and both getting the bulk of PHs.
by bbxxj on Dec 14, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He may not be starting in July,...
but I’d almost guarantee that if healthy, Diaz will be on LF or RF on opening day.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree with Mr. Sanchez...
…even if we sign another OF, Diaz will be a fulltime opening day OF for us unless we trade him in some larger deal.
by cavebird on Dec 14, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, Logan has to be on there.
We tendered him a contract and I am pretty sure he is out of options.
by cavebird on Dec 14, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I’m just waiting for Lowe to be dealt so I can put Kawakami in the rotation and Logan back in the pen. Also, the values in () mean arbitration estimates. If anyone has a better guess on what Moylan or Logan are going to make throw them out there and I’ll change it. I’m guessing ~2M for Moylan in his first arbi year and a bit less than a mill for Logan in his first year based on pretty poor counting stats.
by bbxxj on Dec 14, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have seen in other places that he was only looking at about 1.7, but a small overestimate is probably in order.
by someguy917 on Dec 14, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd put Logan over Chavez...
in that Logan may be out of options, but Chavez isn’t. Also, I prefer two lefties available in middle relief.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It won’t come to that I think, but if it did you are correct.
by bbxxj on Dec 14, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks....
that is a good reference.So, we in theory coud dump Lowe for some prospects,and maybe have enough salary room for Miquel Cabrera, on the assumption he becomes a salary dump from Detroit. Hmmmm. I am starting to think that both Shafer and Heyward will make the big club with good springs…
by mikie baseball on Dec 14, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think the Braves are paying Diaz $2.55 million to ride the bench while Schafer tries to prove himself. Maybe a McLouth/Diaz platoon could make this happen, but other than that, I don’t see it.
by someguy917 on Dec 14, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We pay Infante about that much to ride the pine. And if by ‘ride the pine’ you mean start everytime a LHP takes the mound and most of the PH at bats, then yes, I believe we would pay him that much to ‘ride the pine’
by bbxxj on Dec 14, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m just saying I don’t envision the Braves putting Schafer out there before Diaz. Diaz is a righty. Ride the bench was the wrong way to say it.
by someguy917 on Dec 14, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you start with all 4 on the big roster...
Diaz can still get plenty of playing time. In that scenario, I’d assume we’d give him some work at 1B in the spring just to see what he’s capable of there. If he’s worth it, maybe he gets some starts there, but with McLouth, Heyward, and Schafer all lefties, Diaz would probably start for at least one of them any time a lefty started, and could spell them once or twice a week in addition to that.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am actually....
thinking of Shafer as the #4 guy. Matty D deserves to start . I would think Sahfer could easily get 400 ABs as a number 4.
by mikie baseball on Dec 14, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure it really matters. If we go into next year with McLouth, Heyward, Schafer, and Diaz in the starting lineup we can play them all pretty much equally. All of the lefties have had nagging injuries and McLouth, Diaz, and likely Schafer all have some pronounced platoon splits so resting them thoughout the year woudn’t be such a bad idea.
Rotating these four outfields depending on the opposing pitcher, who needs rest, and who is dinged up IMHO would be optimal:
LF McLouth
CF Schafer
RF Heyward
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LF Diaz
CF Schafer
RF Heyward
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LF McLouth
CF Schafer
RF Diaz
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LF Diaz
CF McLouth
RF Heyward
This setup however would make finding an firstbasemen who can play everyday a priority to stabilize the heart of the order since the OF would shuffle around so much.
by bbxxj on Dec 14, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with the time he's missed the last two years...
I’d rather someone like Gregor Blanco as the 4th OF so JS can be in AAA getting more at bats.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gosh, I’d even take Frenchy over Blanco right now. Greg White would be a black hole of suck on the offensive side.
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by justincredubil02 on Dec 14, 2009 3:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But he rules in Venezuala!
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by 10-4 on Dec 14, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Read again...
“as the 4th OF”. He’s not playing much offensively then is he? Maybe as a pinch runner, defensive replacement, or occasional righty to spell Diaz, for a couple months. If it means as a 4th OF, neither Schafer nor Heyward are in Atlanta.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 14, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like a slightly better bat...
…for fourth OF, but Infante almost does that role already. Blanco is a classic fifth OF.
by cavebird on Dec 15, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If he's the 4th OF...
That means we can’t really platoon anybody.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 17, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You're point?
and yes we can. Sit Diaz against the occassional righty. Put Infante in CF for McLouth against tough lefties. Depending on the remaining signings, that can easily be an inaccurate statement.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 17, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The thing Jordan needs currently it at-bats. The past two years he has been hurt and suspended 50 games. If he’s in the show, he is starting in center
by eaheckman10 on Dec 14, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schafer, Freeman, and Heyward are going to be in AAA to start the year
Schafer and Heyward will get called up at some point. Freeman will not.
by Charmin519 on Dec 14, 2009 2:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I did read the entire post. I see that if we were fielding a team today that you are correct in what our roster would look like.
However, it would be more accurate to leave all three of those players off and their salaries and include that in what we have left to spend. In actuality the post was a “failed” reply to your last post at 11:07. Your throwing out examples of how the OF would rotate and it’s just not going to happen.
I’m not trying to be negative towards your post as it will become more and more useful as the off season progresses. It’s laid out well and is a quick reference to where we stand. I just don’t see the point of “what if” OF rotations when everyone alive knows that’s not going to be the case. Heyward might make the team out of spring training but Schafer needs AAA and Blanco and a few others would be much more realistic example of what we would actually put on the field if we were to play today.
Keep it up as it will be a very useful reference in 20 days.
by Charmin519 on Dec 14, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok, sorry to jump on you. And agreed, this outlook right now is nothing more than a framework for how things may progress.
AAA time for Schafer woudn’t be the worst thing and may be the right thing. If it comes to it I wouldn’t mind it if he starts in the bigs either (assuming his wrist is healthy).
by bbxxj on Dec 14, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice work
Rec’d.
Its going upstairs!
In Frank Wren I trust.
by mvhsbball on Dec 14, 2009 7:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Matt Young
If you look at our bench there are ZERO LH bats on the bench. You and Clevlen will battle for the 5th OF spot and I think the Braves may look into a guy like Cust as well to fill out the bench.
by Jay212033 on Dec 16, 2009 2:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jack Cust is an AWFUL idea. That’s like playing FUGA again plus a small handful of homers. That’s no help. And if he’s benching, he’ll look more like Greg Norton- that .240 AVG will plummet when he sees 1 AB every other game. He’s certainly not going to be a defensive replacement, so that’s about all he could hope for…
by J-Freak on Dec 17, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a little more to Cust than just being “FUGA…plus a small handful of homers”. At least offensively.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 17, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a marginal improvement at best, and he gives some of that back by being an even worse fielder than Anderson (I’ll let that sink in a moment…)
We can do so much better. To resort to Cust is to wave the same white flag we waved last February when we signed FUGA out of desperation.
by J-Freak on Dec 18, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not advocating signing the guy, and I just acknowledged the defensive issues. But FUGA’s offensive skills are not even in the same neighborhood as Cust, so you should give the guy a little credit.
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by Smoltz's Beard on Dec 18, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Joe Thurston...
…has now been signed. He’s going to be the left-handed bench bat.
by cavebird on Dec 18, 2009 5:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You think he will get in over Hernandez? Would we go with just one backup SS on the roster but I suppose Prado could switch over to SS and Thurston at 2B in an extreme Escobar/Infante catastrophe for just a game until they can call somone else up?
Any opinoins? I am likely going to redo the bench when Lowe gets traded so we can update everything at the same time.
by bbxxj on Dec 21, 2009 8:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thurston has over 200 minor-league games' worth of experience at short.
I’m sure he could handle the position in a pinch.
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by MichaelProcton on Dec 21, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's an open competition...
the deal described for Thurston includes a split salary depending on if he’s minors or majors. I’d assume we have two bench spots slated for minimum salary guys like Hernandez, Thurston, Blanco, Brandon Jones, Brooks Conrad, etc.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 21, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Brent Clevlen is this year’s minor league lifer who you guys get way attached to, isn’t he? Christ.
by bigjoe on Dec 17, 2009 10:30 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I just threw him up there. Matt Young, Blanco, and about 20 other guys could fit in that last spot but I can’t put them all up there now can I?
by bbxxj on Dec 17, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I know where you’re coming from and I wasn’t calling you out. Just saying that there seems to be an inordinate amount of love for this dudes.
by bigjoe on Dec 18, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I’m feeling that my positive spin on the guys we sign sometimes has a negative effect. I mean, I want to play on the guy’s upside, but I don’t expect Clevelen, or Mitch Jones, to be some kind of savior, or even to get significant playing time. They’re nice additions to be sure, but they’re not stud free agent signings.
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by cbwilk on Dec 18, 2009 4:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, gondeee started it last year with Conrad.
by bigjoe on Dec 18, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And really the Braves got about the best they could have expected out of Conrad, an All Star season at AAA, a hot, productive week in the Majors in the middle of the year when some guys were hurt, and a healthy body at the end of the year. I think if most Minor League free agent signings turned out that good a team is in pretty good shape.
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by cbwilk on Dec 18, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll agree that the team got the best they could have out of Conrad, but to talk about him like he’s a capable bench player is just wacky talk.
by bigjoe on Dec 19, 2009 10:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d agree. He could be a capable bench player, but he certainly hasn’t proven anything yet.
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by cbwilk on Dec 19, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreement and common sense! A Win!
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by justincredubil02 on Dec 20, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
EDIT #1
Updated the numbers and players after the Javy deal.
by bbxxj on Dec 22, 2009 11:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Jurrjens and Escobar will be more than the minimum...
both have over two full seasons under their belt and are likely $1m+. Also, Heyward likely starts in AAA, with Diaz in RF (although who knows how that OF plays left to right with the versaility and lack of a glaring ’he must be in CF or RF" between them). Replacing him with a bench bat, and Freeman with a legit 1B (as well as the higher cost of JJ and Yunel) takes up the remaining $15m. The bench likely is Infante, Ross, a free agent signee as mentioned above, and then a pair of cheap internal options from Blanco, B Jones, Cleven, Hernandez, M Jones, Thurston, Conrad, etc.
by Mr. Sanchez on Dec 22, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You evidently don't understand the process of contract renewal.
Until a player hits arbitration or signs an extension, they’re playing for the minimum or very near it.
And while you’re probably right about Heyward, there’s no more obvious candidate to get that bench spot as of today.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you really think Hernandez is any more likely to make the team?
Particularly with Thurston signed.
Overheard in press box, from local reporter: 'If this Moore kid was any good, they'd be up 31-0 right now.'
--Darin Gantt, on CAR@NE
by MichaelProcton on Dec 22, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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