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Could J.J. Putz be an option for the Braves?

There's no official rumor on this, I just wanted to throw it out there and let it marinate, and I've seen it brought up here and there in some comments. J.J. Putz could be a good fit at closer for the Atlanta Braves, as he and the Mets are likely to part ways, but are we ready to take a chance on another injury-plagued reliever?

He had surgery to remove bone spurs on his throwing elbow last year, but then during his rehab he re-injured that same area that was described as "fraying and a slightly torn ulnar collateral ligament in his right elbow." He is supposed to be fully recovered from that by the time spring training rolls around, and when healthy he can be a shutdown closer.

The positive spin here is that because he is coming off of an injury he could likely be signed to an affordable one-year contract, and perhaps even an incentive-laden contract that would protect Atlanta against him re-injuring the elbow. The obvious downside here is that we really shouldn't be counting on a guy coming back from injury to be our closer. We might make the same mistake with the bullpen that we made with the starting rotation two years ago -- relying on injury-prone pitchers.

Ideally we'd want to bring in someone else who could potentially close as insurance against Putz breaking down. Perhaps re-signing Mike Gonzalez could be that insurance.

Again, I'm looking for low-cost players with potentially high upside, and Putz falls into that category. That, and we're Irish twins.

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I mentioned Putz

I’m down. Perfect type of high-upside signing that smart, cheap, successful bullpens are built on. Guys like Putz and Wagner, maybe Fernando Rodney, should be targets.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 6, 2009 12:36 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Not to mention

Brandon Lyon, kelvim escobar, Isringhausen, Kobayashi… Tons of warm bodies that could create a solid bullpen down the line…

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ouch.... flashbacks..... someone help

did you say Isringhausen and solid bullpen in the same sentence?

by traphicg on Nov 6, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'll see you guys later...

I’m going to my Armageddon bunker. Just in case.

by J-Freak on Nov 6, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i like it

if they keep gonzo and buy low on putz, either could be closer or setup with moylan there too. if he bounces back from the injury that could be a very nice get and save some money for a bat.

by JKowalek on Nov 8, 2009 1:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Buying low on putz is ok by me...

Though I’d rather buy low on Wagner first, if possible. But i was referencing Isringhausen. Bring him in and I’ll go hide in my bunker.

by J-Freak on Nov 8, 2009 1:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kobayashi? The hot dog eating guy pitches now?? WOW! That is what I call talent.

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by mvandonsel on Nov 6, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Yankees will probably sign Joey Chestnut, so we might have a shot at Kobayashi.

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by 10-4 on Nov 6, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

His recent reclaiming of the hamburger crown at the Krystal Square-off....

impressed the scouts.

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by sddbaker on Nov 7, 2009 11:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kelvim Escobar still plays? I had no idea. Thought he was done like 4 years ago.

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by cbwilk on Nov 7, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

apparently

according to MLBTR.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 7, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

And he’s probably going to be a steal in the bullpen for someone next year.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 8, 2009 11:57 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Or he's going to be making salary...

…on someone’s DL next season. I imagine that this is more likely.

by cavebird on Nov 8, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Could be. Probably worth a couple of mil for somebody to find out.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Am I missing something? He must’ve been hurt, cause he only played 1 game in the Majors the last two years, and only played 5 in the Minors the last 2 years. What’s the line of thinking that this guy is coming back at 34?

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by cbwilk on Nov 8, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

missed all of 2008 with a tear in his right shoulder.

by jack dein on Nov 8, 2009 6:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He’s been declining for a couple years now. His velocity was down last year and he hasn’t appeared in more than 50 games since 2007. Until last year he could be counted on to K more than a batter per inning.
If he’s healthy it wouldn’t be a bad option but you would have to have someone else who could close.
I actually like Fernando Rodney as a option at closer.

by jack dein on Nov 6, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1 for Rodney

I don’t really get it either, the guy is pretty much exclusively fastball/change-up, and I thought he could never last with that formula, but his delivery is so picture-perfect indecipherable to tell the difference between which one is coming. Obviously, I don’t follow the Tigers enough to know what the deal is, but if the Joel Zumaya project is still going to happen, I’m wondering what the chances are to manage to get a guy like Rodney?

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's looking for a multi-year deal

He only made $2.7 million in 2009. Shouldn’t be too expensive, and again, he is lower on the list of a market flush with good relievers. No need to throw a lot of money his way.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 6, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh god, no.

Rodney’s put up an ERA north of 4.25 for the last 3 years. He’s one of those “Closers in Name” who don’t really deserve the job. Every 9th with him on the mound is a nail-biter.

by FineHamAbounds on Nov 6, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I know it's a flawed stat

But he did convert somewhere like 37 out of 38-40 chances, in his first full-year as a closer. I don’t think he’s that bad – his numbers last year were very skewed in performances in non-save situations, as well as the game 163 where he had to go three innings, and his line doesn’t look as effective if you’re not paying attention to the IP column.

I think Rodney would be a fair option to pencil in as a set-up guy at first, with the full understanding at knowing he could very well be a closer. I know a lot of people don’t like pitchers with higher GB-rate as late-inning options, but Rodney generates a lot of outs through deception with his changeup via K or GB.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

a combo of rodney and putz would be nice… although there are better options out there.. .but i wouldnt be upset with those

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 6, 2009 5:04 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rodney

He really matured this season, and it showed in his results. I watch a fair number of Tigers games, and it really seemed like he started to believe in his stuff, which is filthy.

That said, I would not want to rely him as the 9th inning option. Don’t remember the exact numbers, but Rodney had a huge problem pitching on back-to-back days. His FB velocity was fine, but the command and late movement were not there.

BTW, I think Rodney has a show-me slider he throws. If I remember the story correctly, he learned it from Jeremy Bonderman last year. There’s certainly worse teachers.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 6, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Once a month, apparently

His SL% was something miniscule like 0.5%, which I believe was a career-low for him, in 2009. So it sounds like it was a shown-once-a-month kind of pitch, probably to a division rival or something, just to keep them guessing.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 6, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ummm....

How on EARTH does someone amass this type of knowledge of the game of baseball? If I remember correctly Roy, you’re not even that old.

I am continually impressed with your knowledge of the game, less necessarily about the MLB and the entertainment aspect, but of little things like this. And your ripping gondee about the JJ negative post. (that was you right?)

by traphicg on Nov 6, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, he can’t consistently throw the slider for strikes, but it’s good to have as a show-me.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 6, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I’m down with signing Putz if we’re not relying on him to be our closer. We should have a guy that we know is healthy and effective as our main options, but Putz would make a great set-up man.

by bravesfan91 on Nov 6, 2009 12:42 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

This

Putz’s arm is seriously thrashed, and I think it’s a very open question whether he’ll ever pitch effectively again.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 6, 2009 2:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK, so how he has to pass the physical first...

but if he does, not a bad option to go with Moylan, O’Flaherty, Medlen, and possilby one other in the pen.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 6, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sure. I guess my worry isn’t so much the physical health of the arm (also that is also there), but his ability to pitch effectively.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 6, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

It all depends on the price

He is high reward, high risk. If the price is low, that makes him low risk. If someone out there is willing to throw 4-5 million at him, we should pass. If we can get him for 1-2 million, he would be a great signing.

by cavebird on Nov 6, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

That is the point

nobody is throwing $4-5 million his way $1 million or so guaranteed should be enough to pick him up….

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 6, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

resign Gonzo first

and then im down for signing Putz. he was filthy when he was with Seattle.

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by mvhsbball on Nov 6, 2009 1:05 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

So far, I can’t complain about any of the guys we have gotten with Seattle roots over the past few years.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Greg Norton?

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by nick9314 on Nov 6, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Norton was a fantastic PH for us in 2008. Yeah, he was bad shit awful in 2009, but we got him for nothing. It’s not Greg’s fault Bobby kept him all season long.

"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

by mvhsbball on Nov 6, 2009 7:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

indeed. Thanks for explaining for me.

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 6, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sign him and give him a shot..."for the right price."

But otherwise I don’t trust it. Too old, too injured, and he only really had a couple great seasons. It seems to me we’d be settling for a little above average. Not a bad guy to have on the team but not what I’d AIM for so early in the offseason.

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by SunDolphin on Nov 6, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Great minds think alike, Gondeee.

OT, anyone want Mike Cameron for a year in LF?

Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.

by TradeAndruw on Nov 6, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

IF the Braves picked up Cameron

I would stick him in Center where he belongs and move McClouth over to right.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 6, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

McLouth doesn’t have a near good enough arm for right…maybe left and matty in right

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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 6, 2009 3:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

either way

Cameron should stick in Center.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 6, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yes..Cameron is still one of the best CF in all of baseball

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 6, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Cameron in Center...

…McLouth in Left, Heyward in right, and trade Diaz and a pitcher for a bunch of prospects to restock the system to an AL team where Diaz can play his only true defensive position—-DH. Diaz can hit and you have to love his attitude, but his glove is made of stone in left or right.

by cavebird on Nov 6, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

actually he is just about avg in the corner spots… his arm is weak for right tho

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 6, 2009 10:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have no idea what the defensive metric are...

…but I am not sure I trust any of the defensive stats out there anyway. Just watching Diaz and he looks absolutely brutal in both left and right.

by cavebird on Nov 7, 2009 1:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No

he looks fine now. He did look brutal a couple of years back, but he seems to have done a great job fixing his defensive deficiencies.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 7, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Were you watching the same games I was?

I mean seriously, he might have made slight improvements, but he still looked pretty bad to me, and I watched just about all the games. I have no idea what the metrics say, but I certainly have to disagree with the statement that “he looks fine now.”

by cavebird on Nov 8, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Feel free to disagree

His routes aren’t perfect, but much better than they were. His arm has always been decent. He made some decent plays this year that he wouldn’t have made 2-3 years ago.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 8, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that his arm is decent...

.. not great, but not bad, just about average. Fine for left and can do in right. I also agree that his routes are better than they were a couple of years ago, but I don’t think he has made it up to league average yet; I think he is still definitely short of league average. He also has a clunky glove at times, although my thoughts on that are probably overly clouded by a couple of errors on catches he made late in the season. All in all, from what I have seen, he is still below average but not as bad as he was a couple of years ago. Maybe he can improve more in the off-season. I would rather stick him in left rather than right, although it probably doesn’t make much of a difference because his arm is okay.

by cavebird on Nov 8, 2009 8:46 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

This

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 6, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Why not?

I’d allot 2X the Scott Proctor contract for it!

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by PWHjort on Nov 6, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

true

When i saw the the mutts weren’t going to bring back Putz i thought “hmm maybe the Braves could use him?” he’s good when he’s good, but with the injuries it is a roll of the dice…. but its one im ready to take

by bravesfan1047 on Nov 6, 2009 5:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

As far as Putz is concerned, I share most peoples’ sentiment here: Sure, sign him if he’s not too expensive, and don’t rely on him to be the closer. He is filthy when he’s on, but he hasn’t really been “on” in a couple of seasons. I’d wait and see if he can really still throw that disgusting splitter before giving him any kind of serious responsibility.

by FineHamAbounds on Nov 6, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Looks like the Rox won’t pick up the $5M option on Rafael Betancourt. He might sign a one-year deal to reestablish that he’s healthy and effective. He’d probably want $2M, which might be a little high.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 6, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Interesting

He had a great revival in Colorado for the stretch run, but I have to question the NL honeymoon period. It’s funny, he has 18 career saves, and in those games, he was completely dominant with a 11:1 K/BB rate, but there are 140 other chances in which he’s a completely different pitcher.

He’s a definite good set-up guy, but I wouldn’t entrust him with many saves if I could help it.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 6, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's another good guy to grab if the price is right

He has stuff, and if he’ll sign for a million, why not? If he wants two million, we can pick him up in spring training for a million because no team will offer him two million unless they are idiots. I would much rather sign five good arms with potential for 5 million than one closer who might or might not implode.

by cavebird on Nov 6, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I stand corrected re Betancourt. Didn’t realize he would be 35 this upcoming season, which means a $1M-$1.4M deal could be possible.

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 8, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Rather than a honeymoon period, I think Betancourt’s success in the NL is probably at least partially a function of the easier league. Still, he’s got terrific stuff and can still really bring it. He’s struggled a lot with his control and confidence the last two years in Cleveland, but it seems like he’s finally starting to get on track, if he can just stay healthy.

But yeah, he’s more of an 8th inning guy for me, although he could fill-in in the 9th in a pinch. (As an aside, if CWS doesn’t resign Dotel, he’d be a guy to look at for the 9th, IMO.)

If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.

by Yakker on Nov 8, 2009 12:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Btw, royhobbs...

…are you the same as the royhobbs on rotojunkie?

by cavebird on Nov 6, 2009 9:02 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Nope

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Nov 6, 2009 11:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What IS an official rumor?

Frank Wren pulling you to the side and gossiping in your ear?

To me, Rodney allows to many baserunners to be effective.

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by bravos1984 on Nov 6, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't trust anything

not posted on MLBTR. Dierkes is pretty good at filtering out all of the crap.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 7, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I just don't know.

We have already taken a chance on Proctor signing, and Putz was limping badly to the end of the 09’ season with the struggling Mets. Putz is a guy that could be a decent signing but I see him as more of a setup man and not a shut down closer that he once was and their is no way I would offer him more than a one year deal at about 2.5 million tops and I am being way to generous with that amount of money.

Putz could help but resigning Gonzo would make me feel better about our closer situation. Platoon it with Moylan and Gonzo, that would work and save alot of money to acquire a power bat.

More than likely we will either get Matt Capps or Billy wagner Braves fans so be prepared we are not going to spend high dollar amount of bullpen arms this offseason.

Go Braves .

by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 6, 2009 10:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think we can all agree that if we can get Putz on a 2.5 -3 mil flyer than its worth the risk. If Wren signs him to a multi year deal I will get started on that firefrankwren.com again.

I looking forward to these next few months. I will break the record for most Wren bashing guaranteed.

by rocket8188 on Nov 7, 2009 4:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

its generally not good practice to admit ur an idiot up front like that

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 7, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol!

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 7, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

funny

Firefrankwren.com: It's gonna happen this offseason

by rocket8188 on Nov 8, 2009 4:30 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

please explain to me why you don’t like Frank Wren. I’m really interested to hear what you have to say…that, and i’d like a good laugh.

"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"

by mvhsbball on Nov 8, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

well, i don’t know about rocket’s reasons, but here are the most common:

1. He traded the farm for Tex
2. He is heartless and cut Glavine
3. He let Smoltz walk
4. He traded for that career 4+ ERA guy named Vazquez
5. He hates kittens
6. He hates baseball
7. He eats babies

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 9, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

#1 is incorrect...

Schuerholz was GM when Tex was acquired from Texas. Wren came on over that off season, and presided over the bad deal that sent Tex to Cali for Kotch/Marek.

Although both JS and FW were part of the front office for both moves.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 9, 2009 8:18 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That’s kinda the point…

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 9, 2009 8:27 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I like would go for someone like Capps from the Pirates and re-sign Gonzo. I wouldnt trust a closer like Putz coming off surgery and then having Gonzo close, which I am not a fan off. Wagner is an option and what’s wrong with re-signing Soriano?

Sign Gonzo and get Capps in here

by AlRoBraves95 on Nov 7, 2009 8:05 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Capps wouldn't be bad

but it really would depend on what the Pirates wanted in return.

Soriano is way overpriced. I wouldn’t support spending more than 6 million on the whole damn bullpen for this year, let alone the 7-9 it will take to get Soriano to come back.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 7, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno… Capps was pretty bad this year.

by FineHamAbounds on Nov 7, 2009 10:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Billy Wagner is a fit for this team in so many ways. Wagner was outstanding after returning from injury and should only require a one year deal. Given his stated desire to close for a contender, I would think Atlanta would be on his radar. This needs to happen. The issue of Wagner’s Type A status is not that big of an issue as we are sure to get a sandwhich pick for LaRoche and are likely to get a couple sandwhich picks and could get up to 2 first rounders from Gonzo and Soriano.

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by jeg on Nov 7, 2009 11:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

They signed Proctor to a minor-league deal with an invite. Maybe we can do the same with Putz. I agree, he was great with Seattle and he could be some help here, but not if he hasn’t recovered.

by John Holton on Nov 7, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

theres no way he signs for that kind of deal though…bc someone will give him more than that.

the upside on Proctor is lower than Putz… so the willigness to drop real cash is less… Putz has tremendous upside… and thus will sign for around 1M… or at least thats what i think.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 7, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agree

He’ll get at least $1M plus another $3-5M in incentives. He’s a good pitcher and if healthy he’s a top 10 closer.

by jack dein on Nov 7, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You have to be a putz to want putz. And worse if you consider Isringhausen, Kobayashi or Lyon. The latter pair were never any good and if Izzy still had any chance to be what he was don’t you think the Cards would have brought him back? Wagner is the guy to chase because he was always a premier closer and showed he can still bring it after coming back with the Red Sox last year. It also doesn’t hurt that he is a Southern boy. For setup men you begin with signing Gonzales and mix Moylan into the recipe. Soriano will be gone (probably to the Angels, Marlins, or White Sox IMO). An interesting guy to pursue is Phil Hughes who disappoinmted the Yanks at the end and will probably have his spot taken from him by Joba.

by The Rap on Nov 7, 2009 6:44 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

there is soo much wrong with what you just said

the Yankees arent giving up on Hughes… Joba is still gonna be in the rotation, bc Steinbrenner is a dork…
the Marlins dont need a closer and they really don’t need to spend the money on Soriano
The White have a very good closer…remember he tied the record for consecutive perfect innings pitched a while back… ya he’s still pretty good
the Angels have so many pen arms its ridiculous… especially in the minors..Arredondo can fill in for Fuentes (who they have spent a good amount of money on and wont be gettin rid of anytime soon)
Brandon Lyon and the hot dog eating champ were both pretty good pitchers.. in fact Lyon was really good a couple years ago…
And then the idea that you don’t want to take the risk on Putz without any factual evidence that he isnt any good… bc there is a rather compelling case for signing him.. he’d be cheap (ish) and when healthy is really effective.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 8, 2009 12:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks

I would have said all of those things, but you beat me to it…

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 8, 2009 12:54 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Joba's been a failure in the rotation...

if they want to keep that up, so be it. I could see them targetting Soriano, as we found out with Farnsworth they aren’t afraid to pay a set up man more than most clubs will pay a closer, and finding a consistent 8th inning man (and potential Rivera replacement in 5 years) would probably be among their needs this winter.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 8, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think it’s a little early to call joba a failure as a starter, he’s only been in the rotation for a year and change. Not everybody acclimates to starting in the majors as jurrjens and hanson have

by McCann's the Man on Nov 8, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not only that but the Yankees haven’t exactly handled him well. He would probably make a better reliever but you can’t be start a guy for awhile then move him to the bullpen.

by jack dein on Nov 8, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

maybe a little early to etch that in stone...

but it certainly looks to be the way things are going now doesn’t it? Not saying he’s not a good pitcher, talented and capable of big things. But I just don’t see him bouncing back and this year certainly didn’t make him seem like he had the stamina or the stuff to succeed as a starter.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 8, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stamina

I think that will be his big problem, and why he is better suited as a bullpen arm.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 8, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

the only thing is that a league average starter is far more valuable than a relief pitcher (except in rare cases like rivera, etc) so unless they believe joba is a lock to be one of the 10 best relief pitchers of all time, his value is as a starter. same with hughes

by McCann's the Man on Nov 8, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

Problem is that Joba might not ever turn into a successful starter (like Mo Rivera didn’t). In which case the best way to get any value out of him would be to convert him to a reliever.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 8, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He could just end up as a reliever, but it is too early to tell

He was okay, but not great last year. Time will tell. Back to the original topic, Swo12bv is right, Hughes did just fine and the Yankees won’t give up on him. He’ll probably be in the Yankees rotation next year and if not he will set up. He won’t be available for anything other than full price which would be silly for us to pay because his maximum value would be starting and we don’t need a starter.

by cavebird on Nov 8, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What about

We sign Wagner and Putz. Both on 1year deals with mutual options for the second year. Low base salaries but easily attainable incentives. Use Wagner as the closer and Putz as the SU man. If one falters at some point down the road due to injury then use the other. I just personally dont believe that Moylan nor EoF are fit to pitch the 8th inning as SU men.

by drumzalicious on Nov 7, 2009 9:20 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that… i think Moylan might be able to handle the 8th inning role, but i wouldn’t be extraordinarily comfortable with it… I really think if we make a push for Wagner… he’ll come here… its just a matter if FW agrees with me (i trust he knows more than me… so if he decides not to ill assume he has good reason)

and i have yet to decide what i feel about Putz… he has been hurt and has had problems being effective (are those problems injury related?)… i guess i don’t think want it to happen… bc if we sign him I think it will be too much money (judging on the fact that i assume other teams are looking at him t he same way we are)

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Nov 8, 2009 12:29 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

with wagner, as with all free agents...

it’s also a question of price, and overall demand.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 8, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

but that’s the nice thing about this market. It is flush with quality relievers, and the demand is not especially high.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 8, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

and as the rumors of most players will be non tendered...

comes to reality, that will further flood the free agent market helping drive prices down. GREAT time to try and build a cheap, quality bullpen. Although that may also impact what happens with Soriano and Gonzo.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 8, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My thoughts exactly

though Soriano at least will likely get paid… Gonzo I am not so positive on. Either way, I don’t see any way that Soriano accepts arb, which is why the Braves should offer it. He is a type A, and getting a draft pick for him to walk away sounds good to me.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 8, 2009 5:25 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

With the number of relievers on the market this year...

…Soriano could just take arbitration and try the market next year when it is not as crowded. I think that is what the Braves fear and probably will be why we don’t offer it. Just my guess. We could offer it if we don’t sign another late inning guy early on the theory that we can live with him accepting it. But that probably depends on whether we can move Lowe’s salary.

by cavebird on Nov 8, 2009 8:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If that’s the case, why not just low-ball him? Are there rules that dictate that the offer has to have a minimum amount based on his previous salary? I am very ignorant of things like this…

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 9, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Arbitration

isn’t just an agreement between the player and the team. If the Braves low-ball him MLB gets involved, and the player almost always gets paid.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 9, 2009 1:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You can only offer 20% below what they made the previous year. So, say Soriano did accept arbitration and the Braves did that, he’d obviously think he deserved a raise, say for 20%. So you’ve got the two side really far apart, and they wouldn’t split the difference, because then he’d end up with the same salary, which he’d never agree to. So, the whole thing would go to arbitration and since he didn’t completely suck, there’s little chance the arbitrator would side with the Braves.
So, at least in this situation, low-balling seems like a great way to get screwed.

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by cbwilk on Nov 9, 2009 2:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

but could "low-balling"....

work with a player who had a sub par year and projects to be nothing more than a part time player next year—like KJ, Church, Boone Logan, etc.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 9, 2009 8:16 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

but the arbitor almost always sides with the player.

by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 9, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, this.

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by cbwilk on Nov 9, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

closer

Why not ask John Smoltz looks like the Tigers are might go after him for closer . I trust him more then anybody else out there and go after Billy Wagner or Gonzo .

by ~~banditwolf~~ on Nov 9, 2009 2:48 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

I think John may have burned that bridge…

"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."

by justincredubil02 on Nov 9, 2009 2:52 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Thought Smoltzie...

was all but certain to resign with St. Louis in the back half of their rotation.

by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 9, 2009 8:17 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Smoltz will get an offer to be a starter

and would prefer to do that. I don’t think signing Smoltz to be the closer would even be possible. I imagine that Mr. Sanchez is right and that Smoltz will resign with St. Louis.

by cavebird on Nov 9, 2009 10:11 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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