Bullpen
by Mgomez4closer on Nov 21, 2009 12:22 AM EST
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This Offseason the braves have lost two very good relievers Gonzalez and Soriano which leaves a void in the bull pen that needs to be filled. These are some of the names of up and comming relievers that would be cheap enough to get. A few are free agents but most of them are still under contract with their respective teams. A good trade would be enough for an aquistion.
1. Ramon Troncoso LA Dodgers
2. Sergio Romo SF Giants
3. Clay Zavada ARI
4. Franklin Morales COL
5. Jose Mijares MIN
6. Mike Wuertz OAK
7. Neftali Feliz TEX
8. Ryan Perry DET
9. Mark Lowe SEA
10. Angel Guzman Cubs
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So...
we should try to get these guys? Should we sign all of them? I guess I don’t get the point of this post
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Nov 21, 2009 12:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously. And a few of these guys, Feliz, Perry, Morales, are top tier prospects for their teams, they’re not going anywhere.
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by cbwilk on Nov 21, 2009 12:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
A good trade would be enough for an aquistion.
Best sentence ever!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 21, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When the quarterback throws the ball and the receiver catches the ball, that’s a completed pass…
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by cbwilk on Nov 22, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“Scoring more points than your opponent usually leads to more wins in the Superbowl.” — John Madden, pregame quote from Superbowl XLI
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Nov 22, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA! Well played, sir…well played!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 22, 2009 6:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“you score more runs with a leadoff HR than a leadoff single” Tim McCarver
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 22, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
“People who used steroids are not cheaters. The real cheaters are the ones who are leaking the list.” – Joe Morgan
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can at least understand where he is coming from on that one
You all know I am not one to defend Joe Morgan very often…
But when you think about it, the players took part in an anonymous study. They took part because it was anonymous. Put yourself in their place. If you took part in something embarassing that you thought was anonymous only to have that publicized, that’s pretty upsetting. Not that I am defending those players either, but I think you understand my point.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 23, 2009 2:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, he's technically correct. The best kind of correct...
up until recently, steroids were not against the rules of major league baseball, and therefore not exactly “cheating”. And as you put, the ones who released the names actually broke their word and rules as stated.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice reference.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Murder isn’t against the rules of baseball either, so if anyone commits murder, MLB would have no grounds to stand on to punish them?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no
not that they would need to anyway. Really, that is for the government to decide as they broke the law.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 23, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As Andy says, no...
the government will punish them, and their team likely cancel the contract under “detrimental actions” or some clause, but murder is above and beyond league rules.
It’s also quite a leap to go from steroids to murder. But to be honest, if Ugueth Urbina could still sling it like he did in his prime, I wouldn’t have been shocked if those charges Venezuela had gone away and he been signed soon after.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well, cancelling the contract would be a bigger form of punishment than a suspension, right?
And it wasn’t a leap. Illegal is illegal. That is my point. To say that steroid users get a free pass because steroids wasn’t specifically against the rules of baseball is ridiculous. It was illegal, and those who used them committed a crime.
Like I said before, if the players thought there was nothing wrong with it, why did they do it in secret and only test anonymously?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Smoking pot is illegal, as is beating your spouse or driving drunk...
Speeding is illegal too, are they all comparable with murder?
Driving drunk is illegal, does MLB take action? How about for spousal abuse? or speeding? Will Lincecum get suspended for his marijuana possession charge?
The cancelling of a contract is a legal procedure, same as a murder trial, so it is a completely different form of punishment, with different rules and requirements than a suspension by MLB.
And the players tested anonymously, at least it seems in part, because they didn’t trust the guys conducting the test to keep their word that it’d be private. And it looks like they were right.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I can’t speak for what MLB will do, but I know what it SHOULD do.
MLB SHOULD take action for anyone involved in drunk driving.
MLB SHOULD take action for any spousal abuse.
MLB SHOULD take action for Lincecum’s possession charge – if he is found guilty.
Speeding is a bit different in that it is a misdemeanor and not a felony.
And let’s suppose that the players tested didn’t trust the testers…what does that matter? If what they were doing was ok, why would they be ashamed if it got out that they were doing it?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What is SHOULD do and CAN do are different things...
and you have to look at the chance the Players Union fights back as well. What rights does MLB have under the collective bargaining agreement to take such action?
This is a legal issue, not moral.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If MLB can suspend a player for steriods, you bet your ass they can suspend/ban a player for anything we have listed.
The CBA will have no grounds to stand on. Precident has been set.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, no.
MLB could not suspend for steroids until they made a deal on that with the MLBPA. You are actually wrong about noting misdemeanor and felony distinction vis-a-vis Lincecum. Lincecum’s possession charge is very likely a misdemeanor as well. But that is irrelevant to what MLB can do—-they can do what is allowed in the CBA, nothing more, nothing less.
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s one reason why unions suck.
“Hey boss, I am going to go hit my bong and you can’t do anything about it.”
“Oh, I can’t can I? You’re FIRED!”
“Uh, boss, we can’t do that. He is a member of the Association, and we can’t take any action on them for breaking the law.”
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And the reason they don't suck is:
Hey, employee, you looked at me funny, you’re fired. Oh wait, employee can do nothing about it. Crap.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well, that may be an extreme example, but even then, if I am the owner of a business, then I will do as I damned well please. If that seems fair or unfair to employees, it doesn’t matter. It is my business and I will run it how I see fit.
It is very rare that unions do more good than harm – just look at the auto industry.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So MLB should effectively become a second government?
It seems strange that MLB should supplement official penalties for crimes unrelated to baseball. Steroids are a different matter as they effect the play of the game.
I think you SHOULD smoke some pot and then you would lighten up on Lincecum. ;)
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 4:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry. I guess that I have morals that lead me to believe that if a company has an employee that is guilty of breaking the law, then that company has a right (if not an obligation) to take action against that employee.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No one is disagreeing with you...
just pointing out that MLB likely does disagree, and the MLBPA most certainly does, at least in regards to the employees in their union.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree with him.
He states that the company has the right to take action against an employee for breaking the law. That is not necessarily true. Employers have the right to take action which is allowed per the employment agreement with the employee. Nothing more, nothing less. In this case, the employment agreement includes the CBA, so that defines their rights.
As for moral obligation, that is a separate issue. I doubt an employer has a moral obligation to take an act which it can’t. Whether it should when it can depends on the law broken to me.
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 11:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy, but if I own a business, I am not going to continue to employ a person who can tarnish my business’ reputation.
If one of my employees is guilty of doing drugs or drunk driving, you can bet that they will have a profile on Monster.com soon after.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And how many union members do you employ?...
no one ever said the situation didn’t have its suckiness to it, but that’s the facts jack.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 24, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when did this become about whether or not I employ union members? This is about an organization being able to enforce some form of standards and codes of conduct on its employees.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and that ability to enforce...
is directly tied to the contracts they have with their employees. That was the point. The MLB contract with its employees allowed the use of steroids at the time, or the inability to punish for its use. Right or wrong, it was a fact, same as the fact that MLB agreed to make the tests anonymous and failed to abide by that promise.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 24, 2009 1:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My recommendation to you...
…still stands. ;)
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 11:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry…I’m a drug-free zone. Always have been and always will be…until it is legalized, at least.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 8:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No alcohol, medicine, etc?
Wow. That’s something. As all those things I mentioned are drugs. The fact that you say until it is legalized makes me question whether you meant to say you are an illegal drug-free zone instead.
by cavebird on Nov 24, 2009 1:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Semantics FTW!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 24, 2009 1:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get that point, but if I were in that situation, I wouldn’t have taken a substance that I knew was illegal in the US.
Not only that, but if they were so confident and fine with taking the substance when it wasn’t technically against MLB rules, why were they taking it in secret?
They knew what they were doing was wrong and they have no excuses for it.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Again,
I am not defending them, just saying that it was/is wrong to out them with the results of a confidential study.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 23, 2009 2:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That may be, but it doesn’t change the fact that they are all cheaters, and to defend them while criticizing the “outers” is absurd.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
One is doing something they agreed not to do...
the other isn’t. How is it that hard to understand? No one is condoning the actions of steroid users. What we are saying is there is a technical difference between violating a mutual agreement, and doing something that is “unregulated”. Are players taking amphetamines “cheaters”? Is it cheating if the guy on the mound AND at the plate are using similar performance enhancers on the same schedules?
As I say above, while absurd to common sense, Joe Morgan’s statement is technically correct, and that is the best kind of correct.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I am not having any difficulty understanding that point.
I am having difficulty in the concept that someone who is secretly taking an illegal substance for the intent to gain a competitive advantage is not guilty of cheating…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The steroid argument is kind of pointless and neverending, but I will say this, I agree, if you used steroids, you cheated. I’m not feeling sorry for somebody breaking a promise to you, cause you’re a cheater.
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by cbwilk on Nov 23, 2009 3:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With the reports coming out,...
is it really accurate to call players taking steroids as “secretly”? In fact the truth seems the contrary, that most people knew who was and who wasn’t taking, and that MLB either outright condoned its use or in the least willingly turned a blind eye to the situation.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Are you seriously saying that the players were not hiding this fact?
This is becoming irrational…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hiding it from?
fans? media? each other? front offices?
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
In one way or the other, all of the above.
It was definitely hidden from the fans and media.
I don’t think it was exactly a Top Secret project in the clubhouses, but I am fairly confident that not all the players knew specifically that it was being done.
I also have to believe that the front offices were in the dark too. I can’t imagine Boras saying “Hey, Mr. GM, you want my player. He shoots it up, so he will perform better!”
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 23, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There’s no way we get Perry or Feliz. Well we could have had Feliz but that’s another story. Anyways, all of these guys are young and improving, so they aren’t just minor league scrubs we can get for nothing, it would take an actual prospect
by eaheckman10 on Nov 21, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm fairly certain this belongs in the rosterbation post
But, I’ll throw in my two cents anyway- Bean Wagner. I mean Billy Stringfellow. I mean Billy Wagner and his agent. Sign them.
by J-Freak on Nov 21, 2009 12:59 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Clarification
The point is that the organization should look into the possibility of getting talent that are new to the majors but have proven to be good. These are just a few good relievers that would be easier to get than Wagner or Valverde.The teams might ask for prospects which Atlanta has an abundance of and its very possible to get a good deal done without giving up to much. Most of the teams have a solid bullpen and would not suffer a huge era jump if they gave up one of these relief pitchers. Also feel free to add names that you think are possible aquisitions.
by Mgomez4closer on Nov 21, 2009 1:24 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Still rosterbation
Sorry. Don’t shoot the messenger.
by J-Freak on Nov 21, 2009 1:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thought I owed it to everyone to clarify my intent.
by Mgomez4closer on Nov 21, 2009 1:34 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
And your intent is to rosterbate...
trying to figure out who to add in the bullpen is definite rosterbation.
And you don’t include Saito, and other realistic options.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 21, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
does it bother you that damn bad?! is gondeee slippin you a few bucks under the table to play policeman..
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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 23, 2009 8:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What to do with the bullpen.
Bring in one closer-type guy and one veteran workhorse. Ideally I’d like Wagner as our closer and Howry as that workhorse. Moylan and O’Flaherty are your set-up men, although O’Flaherty should be kept away from righties as much as possible. Medlen and Howry serve to bridge the gap to the other back-end arms. For the final two spots you let guys already in the system or waiver pick-ups battle it out for the second lefty job and a long reliever. So my bullpen would look something like this:
CL – Wagner
SU- Moylan
SU – O’Flaherty
MR – Medlen
MR – Howry
LH – Hyde/Gomez/et al
LR – Redmond/Parr/et al
Its cheap and effective. I’m not 100% sold on EOF being much more than a LOOGY yet, so instead of Howry I could see us bringing back Ohman, if healthy. Then EOF becomes the second lefty in the ’pen.
by bravesfan91 on Nov 21, 2009 2:45 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The only problem with Wagner is...
…that he is a Class A free agent and I hate giving up the pick when we aren’t going to sign multiple Class A free agents, especially when other options are available.
by cavebird on Nov 22, 2009 1:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…we’ve got a pair of Type A’s ourself and a Type B. If we offer arb to Gonzalez, Soriano, and LaRoche they should all decline and we’re in line to add FIVE draft picks between the first and second rounds. So giving one up to sign Wagner won’t be a major hit to us.
by bravesfan91 on Nov 22, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The problem is that our guys....
…could all be signed by Yankee-type teams that sign two higher level Class A free agents giving us only a sandwich and a third round pick. And that makes sense—-it is tough giving up a first round pick for a closer, but a lot easier to give up a second or a third to sign a free agent closer, so more interest might be from teams intending to sign Holliday/Bay type free agents or teams with protected first round picks. We are neither of those types of teams and I think it is rough to give up a first rounder to sign Wagner when there are plenty of other options available that don’t cost us the first round pick.
Of course, if the Red Sox don’t offer him arbitration, that makes it an entirely different story.
by cavebird on Nov 22, 2009 7:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL @ Neftali Feliz
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
by TradeAndruw on Nov 21, 2009 1:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I want us to retain both Gonzo and Soriano.
That would really be awesome:
LR-Kawakami
MR-Medlen
MR-O’Flaherty
MR-Valdez(maybe)
SU-Moylan
SU-Gonzalez
CL-Soriano
Too bad that won’t happen.
by GouldisGold on Nov 21, 2009 5:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
ouch
our bullpen would probably cost us $25MM next season if that happened lol
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by mvhsbball on Nov 21, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
our bullpen would probably cost us $25MMeleventy billion next season if that happened lol
Fix’d
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 21, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano and Gonzalez are the 2 best relievers on the market this year. I would not be surprised to see Soriano sign for 3 years $24M and Gonzalez get about the same. They each will get between $7-9M a season. Even the Yankees wouldn’t pay that much for 2 relievers. If we don’t bring these guys back though we should be able to have a great draft next year. Both are Type A free agents. I’ve heard the Yankees linked to both players and their pick isn’t protected.
by jack dein on Nov 21, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Doesn't matter
They’ll end up signing a big name LF and either STL or BOS will get that pick. We’llget the secon rounder, which almost makes the whole process not worth it.
by J-Freak on Nov 22, 2009 12:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why isnt it worth it
there’s no risk in them accepting arb so no matter what we get its gravy
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 22, 2009 11:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m exaggerating a little, obviously. A second rounder is obviously better than nothing, I’m just saying that we don’t have the top Type As, so if the Yankees go on another spree that includes one of our relievers, we’re gonna be the team that gets the short end of the draft pick compensation stick.
Damn Yankees.
by J-Freak on Nov 23, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So is there anywhere to see a ranking of class A FAs?...
how do you know who is the “higher priority” type A or however that works? Serious question.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great question.
I wish I knew the answer. I hope someone knows. (Yeah, this was a real helpful post from me, lol).
by cavebird on Nov 23, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
The information is up on MLBTR:
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/12/2010-mlb-free-a.html
Includes all free agents and whether they have type A or Type B Status.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 23, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
different question Andy...
it wasn’t who is an A or B, but the rankings of type A guys to see who would be trump Soriano or Gonzo.
And I take it the top 15 picks are protected?
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 23, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 15 picks are always protected. Only picks 16-30 can be handed out in the first round.
by J-Freak on Nov 23, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ah, sorry
didn’t read the entire post.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 24, 2009 9:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But still,
I drool when I look at that bullpen. Beastly.
by GouldisGold on Nov 22, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
But still,
We can’t afford to put that much money into the bullpen.
by bravesfan91 on Nov 22, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
…getting talent that are new to the majors but have proven to be good.
Best senence ever!! (part deux)
by Abslilsweets on Nov 22, 2009 11:17 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see the Braves sign Wagner he was still very solid as a member of the Red Sox, same goes for Takashi Saito. Of course the medical staff will have to look in the medical records of Wagner to judge wether it is in the realistic line of expecations to think he can be our everyday closer. Saito would have to cut down on his walks, but he managed to pitch around them.
Moylan, Medlen and O’Flaherty and Redmond Acosta would make a nice bullpen.
by Dutch Braves Fan on Nov 23, 2009 3:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love Wagner...
but please tell me you don’t want Manny “I’ll-cost-ya” in our bullpen
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Nov 23, 2009 4:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
(reply fail)
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Nov 23, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Acosta is just a name to fill the bullpen of course I would rather see Valdez, maybe from June/July on Craig Kimbrel can fill in for the Braves.
Altough main thing will be normal use of the bullpen. Gonzalez, Moylan, Soriano, and many others were called out of the bullpen too many times or too many times on consecutive days. Players, pitchers can only perform when they are healthy so keeping them healthy should always be your first concern
by Dutch Braves Fan on Nov 24, 2009 3:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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