We're Not Signing An Outfielder
by jdunk on Nov 12, 2009 8:12 PM EST
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This is my first fanpost so be gentle.
I'm excited as the next guy about the off-season, but I really don't think we are gonna be major players for an outfielder. In fact, I wouldn't be totally surprised if we don't sign one at all. I'll be the first one to say that I wish we could get a bonafide cleanup hitter, but that isn't happening. I don't know that I'd even classify Holliday or Bay as such and look at the kind of money they'll bring in. I think we'll re-sign LaRoche and that's about it.
I just don't see how it makes sense to put much money into the outfield with Heyward right around the corner. I think the opening day outfield will be McLouth, Schafer, and Diaz. AAA would probably do Schafer some good, but his best chance to get playing time will be before Heyward comes up because it is gonna be hard to work two rookies into your outfield rotation at once.
I could see us taking picking up a 4th outfielder type that could hold down the fort for a few months, but even that seems like a waste of money when you could have a guy like Schafer or Brandon Jones (still better than GA) for a few months.
With this strategy, you will likely see our offense struggle out of the gates, but by July we would have Heyward and a true cleanup hitter (2nd half Laroche is a cleanup hitter you just don't get him for the whole season). This would put us in a position to make a run like this year.
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we may not sign an outfielder, but wren will more than likely trade either lowe or vasquez for a corner outfield bat. jaun rivera and nelson cruz look like the two best canidates right now. neither one is too expensive and gives the braves a right handed power bat. i hope lowe gets dealt because of the cap space it would free up, and just because he is on the decline, while javy has proven to be a front line starter.
and i pray jordan schaefer doesn’t start the year off in the majors. he needs to proove himself in AAA first. he still has great potential, but id rather see heyward than him.
bottom line: mcclouth starts in center, diaz starts in right until jason heyward is ready then they can platoon out there and create a two headed monster in right. and left field needs to be filled by a slugging right handed bat.
by Lemke4790 on Nov 12, 2009 8:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll be gentle but,
This is rosterbation and will be deleted.
by bbxxj on Nov 12, 2009 9:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
its not rosterbation, he’s not speculating about various moves and such… its fine material for a fanpost (and this is from a guy who doesnt like rosterbating…its chafes).
however, its his opinion and its probably wrong… Schafer isnt gettin any ABs and hasnt since like July or AUG… he will need some after missing serious time the last two years.. he will start in AAA.
we could start with Diaz in RF and McLouth in CF and Brandon Jones in LF….but i hope to god we dont, bc no matter how good Heyward is he wont be abl to pull us out of that hole (thats what she said)…
we will most likely sign a bat… i presume we will all be horrible dissappointed when we sign Dye to bat 4th and plays LF.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 12, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and just so everyone knows… Schafer not starting has nothing to do with his skill… i assume his lack of production was completley due to his injury… but he needs to get use to his new wrist
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 12, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think it probably has a lot to do with the fact that he hasn’t seen a fastball since about July and that he just had some serious surgery…
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by justincredubil02 on Nov 12, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schafer will probably be down longer than Heyward for that reason
that he needs to get healthy and get ABs. The other reason he’ll probably stay down longer is that he has a glaring hole in his game (strikes out way too much) that he needs to address.
by cavebird on Nov 13, 2009 8:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we don’t know that he strikes out too much… unless you are referring to his minor league nbrs…. which arent horrible
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2009 10:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He struck out in 25% of his minor league AB's
Which is not absolutely horriffic, but definitely higher than you want for a guy who isn’t a 30+ HR pure slugger. By comparison, Heyward has struck out in less than 1/6 of his minor league AB’s. I know it is unfair to compare anyone to Heyward, but since these two will possibly be fighting for playing time this year, it seems like a natural comparison to make.
by cavebird on Nov 13, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has
always had a kind of long swing. That worries me a bit.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 13, 2009 11:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
when does he get healthy?...
people discount spring training, but it was enough to win him center field last year. He can always prove he’s healthy and ready to go then, as can Heyward if we let him.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 13, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I don’t really see this as rosturbation either. He took a logical look at the reality of things how they are. I don’t really agree with it, but there’s nothing fanstical or nonsesical about it.
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by cbwilk on Nov 13, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Still think..
After last year in ST when Schafer won CF position and than got hurt/pitchers adjusted that he need to heal up and go back down and make the adjustment in AAA to prove that he is ready to come back up. Saying that, the FO have this in the back of there minds that a solid insurance policy in the OF would be the best short bet not knowing when Schafer/Heyward will be truely ready to come in and produce at the ML level. Cameron comes to mind with his +Def in CF that would allow to move McClouthe to LF with Diaz in RF. I still believe that Laroche will accept ARB because he wants to stay for at least yr or willing to play for the 2/18 with option to be happy in Atlanta than the Mets (If it’s for the same money ). Cameron probably could be had for a 1/7 with an option (to make sure that we could sign him). I wish the club could put some sense into chipper to help the club out and move to 1B and get a Figgins/BWoods Type to take over third but reality is that Chipper won’t do that. Derosa? Thames?Will Mo Pena? Tatis?Reed Johnson? Any other cheaper option till the calvary is ready in Heyward/Schafer. FO will have to bring someone as insurance/4th OFer that will be the short stop gap, We will see…
by Hanson-Ace on Nov 12, 2009 9:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
im happy any time there is a wily mo pena sighting…so thank you
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 12, 2009 9:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
im so naming my first born child willy mo…
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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 13, 2009 1:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with Cameron comes...
it keeps you from giving Schafer and Heyward an everyday job until 2011 unless you deal away an OF.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 13, 2009 10:43 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I highly doubt Schafer comes up this year. For all practical purposes the only baseball he’s played in about a year and a half is one month of ST this year. He’ll probably need the whole year in AAA to get adjusted to his repaired wrist, try to shore up his strikeouts, and just generally get back in the swing of things without it hurting the Major League club. He could get a September call-up, but unless someone comes up hurt I’d put my money on him staying in AAA.
Heyward will not start the year in Atlanta unless he has a phenomenal spring training. If he falters he’s going to AAA for sure, and if he just does decently they’ll err on the side of caution and start him there, which gives them the dual advantage of seeing him get some more high-minors seasoning since he only has half a season at that level as well as avoiding Super Two status with him. That being said, that leaves McLouth and Diaz in the OF. You have to either sign a stopgap (o please God no) or use someone like B. Jones (Church is highly likely to be non-tendered). If you sign Cameron, you get a stellar defensive CF, Nate goes to LF where his defense will be above average, and DIaz will be in right. When Heyward does come up, you can ease him in by platooning him with Diaz, and if he sets the world on fire, Diaz becomes the 4th man, sparing everyone occasionally. Cameron doesn’t block anybody from coming up, the only concern is that it might cut into Diaz’s playing time. Considering the reason why, though, that’s not necessarily a bad problem to have, though I would feel kinda bad for ol’ Caveman if that happens.
by J-Freak on Nov 13, 2009 12:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When Heyward comes up, you trade an OF
You don’t platoon him. Heyward will play every day somewhere this year, barring injuries. But Diaz, McLouth, and a reasonably priced Cameron are all marketable, so it shouldn’t be too difficult.
by cavebird on Nov 13, 2009 12:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wasn’t trying to insult him or anything, I was just pointing out that the way they’re treating his development, injuries, etc. with kid gloves there is a chance, albeit a small one, that he doesn’t get handed the starting job from the word go, but shares it with Diaz. IF that happens, I certainly don’t expect it to last the whole season, but there is a somewhat decent chance that they ease him in that way.
If we have Cameron, though, I’m not so sure you trade an OF. Cameron is a great option, but we have to realize he is going to be 36. McLouth is shite against lefties. Heyward will not play every single game after he’s called up. All that to say you hold on to Diaz. Against lefties he can spell McLouth. When Cameron needs a game off once every ten days or so, you shift Nate back to center and plug in Diaz in LF. When Heyward needs a break, you slot in Diaz. If you do it right, you can give the regulars the rest they need without resorting them to platoon status without really surrendering much when Diaz goes in, excpept for maybe a little defense when Cameron is out. Diaz would still see a bit of a playing time cut, but a) I imagine he’ll be the primary right-handed pinch-hitter, since Bobby is too afraid to use Ross in case McCann gets hurt, and b) he’d still be in a couple of games a week at least. Plus, Diaz is great injury insurance. If any of those guys hits the DL he’s an excellent piece to plug in for a while. I fail to see the need to trade any of them when Heyward come up.
by J-Freak on Nov 13, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
heyward will play everyday when he comes up…
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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 13, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What we have here is a failure to communicate…
I’ve accounted for that scenario. Diaz becomes the 4th man. But you can’t honestly think he’s going to go all Cal Ripken on us and play every single cotton-picking game, do you? He’ll still need off at least once a month or so, that’s all I was saying- on those days he’s off, Diaz slides in. It’s very simple.
by J-Freak on Nov 13, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okay, that wasn't what I read in your first post
Diaz would be a great fourth OF. Almost too good in that you could probably move him for a real fourth OF and another piece that could be useful. Especially if he starts this year like he ended last year—-it is hard to tell a guy hitting that well to be a fourth OF and play twice a week.
by cavebird on Nov 13, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, which is why I’ve repeatedly stated he will indeed suffer from a Cameron move, but again that’s a pretty good problem to have. And if he’s not a starting regular anymore, I still be he has an at-bat or more in a minimum of 4 games a week, as he should see plenty of pinch-hit opportunities on days he doesn’t play.
Honestly, if I were managing the team, after Heyward comes up I’d start platooning Nate with Diaz. Matty needs to be in every, and I mean EVERY, game against lefties, however that shakes out positionally, and he needs to be batting leadoff or second when he does. He’s too good to have Nate start over him against lefties, and his bat is too hot against them to be stashed in the 7th or 8th hole. But in reality, Bobby is never going to do that. Here’s hoping for next year…
by J-Freak on Nov 13, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and if you dnt sign anyone what happens when Heyward struggles and Schafer isnt ready
if you are gonna pose hypotheticals be prepared for the other side
signing Cameron prevents risk…
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2009 12:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
my word, McClouthe? really?
i mean i know misspelling is an occupational hazard but wow, can we put a picture of the back of his jersey on the homepage for a while? This is getting ridiculous, it is not McClouth, and it is certainly not McClouthe, it is McLouth, come on.
by BravesRaleigh on Nov 13, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the English lesson
but that has absolutely nothing to do with the conversation. I’m guessing everyone here knew what he meant.
by Fischerking on Nov 17, 2009 8:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What’s wrong with trying to spell something correctly – especially a player’s name?
If someone doesn’t even know enough about a player to spell that player’s name correctly, why should we assume that they know anything about what they are talking about?
I hate internet grammar police just as much as the next person, but the REALLY annoying ones are the ones who complain about how “this is the internet, not an English class, I can spell how I want!” Nothing screams “Ignorance” more than a statement like that.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2009 12:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
nothing makes me wanna slap someone in the mouth more when braves fans get on here and write, Greg Maddox…
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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 17, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
its greg maddax duh
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 17, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schafer and Heyward should not be counted on for anything next year
We’re going to need a power bat in the OF and/or at 1B for at least one year. I’m sure Wren has been focusing on this for a while. He won’t fail to address a glaring weakness in last year’s team.
The only names that interest me are Uggla and Cameron, maybe D. Lee and El Caballo if it’s practicable. I really like Chone Figgins if he can be bought. Also assuming we can get LaRoche for below market value for 1-2 bargain years.
Here are Pujols's stats: 1.000/1.000/4.000/5.000. That's right. He is batting a thousand, with a thousand OBP (naturally), and every hit has been a home run, and thus his OPS is a perfect 5.000.
by TradeAndruw on Nov 12, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Don't count on Heyward?
Why not? He’s dominated every single level of the minors. There’s absolutely no reason to believe he won’t be our starting RF for at least half of 2010, if not the whole season.
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by mvhsbball on Nov 12, 2009 10:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
but by not counting on him you remove the risk of him struggling… which is a semi-reasonable risk
he’s right to not expect anything from Heyward or Schafer
assume we build a team by acquiring Cameron and LaRoche…then when/if Heyward arrives and is awesome (like we presume he will) our team is scary good… Cameron in CF, Heyward in Right and Nate in LF with Diaz playing 3-4 games a week giving rest to people…
thats how i would build the team and it removes the most risk offensively…the upside isnt huge, but its solid and with our pitching thats all our offense needs to do (outperform at year’s)
I dont think he is discrediting Heyward in any way…just merely being cautious and thats a good thing.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 12, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Look at Matt Wieters
Just like Heyward, he was practically voted into the Hall of Fame before stepping foot on a major league diamond. Taking nothing away from him, he struggled a bit in his first season, something pretty much everyone does
by eaheckman10 on Nov 12, 2009 11:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Justin Upton
is another example of top prospects struggling in their first season in the bigs. There is no reason to expect him to be our cleanup hitter in his rookie year.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 13, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
but both got regular at bats once they came up...
add an everyday player like Cameron to McLouth and Diaz, you need a platoon player at best and that limits what you can do with your young players UNLESS someone gets dealt.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 13, 2009 10:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It’s funny about Wieters, it was ridiculous that people expected so much of him out of the gate, and I got to see him every game here in Norfolk and he clearly needed more time in AAA, but for all his supposed struggles the O’s still ended up with a little over half a season of .753 OPS out of a rookie and gold glove defense out of a catcher.
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by cbwilk on Nov 13, 2009 11:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schafer and Heyward
That is a valid point. I definitely don’t have a problem bringing in a guy like Cameron because he would help us out on offense and defense.
I just think people who think we are gonna land an “impact” bat will be let down.
by jdunk on Nov 12, 2009 11:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
F Wren...uh frank
After last years splurge for three pitchers…I would not be surprised (and not counting the already in the can deal for Huddy and the Minor league invite for the ex-fish) two to three deals to address two or three needs. My pshycic powers (Jim & Beam) say it will be a multi-team deal that sees us shipping Lowe or J-Vaz (god, I hope it is not him!) to address one or more…but this time we are asking for other teams prospects (think AAA players)
by bravestatoo on Nov 12, 2009 11:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Braves won’t splurge on anyone like Bay or Holliday, but they’ll get a nice 1-year piece for the outfield. Schafer and Heyward probably don’t start the year in the majors, but work their way up. I like Cameron, Nady, or someone like that. Might have to give them more than a year, but it seems that the Braves are going to be trying to trade a pitcher anyways to either clear payroll or get a bat…or both.
by award6 on Nov 13, 2009 12:56 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You may be right, Jdunk
but Wren seems intent to get a bat somewhere, and I think he will get it.
Also, I think it is a little naive to think that Heyward will be a cleanup hitter out of the gates. He is a great prospect and all, but he still will be a very young rookie. Think about Justin Upton’s first year in the bigs.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 13, 2009 9:35 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
LaRoche Cleanup
I didn’t mean Heyward, I meant if we re-sign LaRoche, he will be a good cleanup hitter in the 2nd half of the season when we really need it. Judging by his career splits he will struggle at the first of the year.
I just agree with Mr. Sanchez, if you bring in a veteran its just limits playing time for Schafer and Heyward and chances are your gonna be trading someone. Struggling or not, Heyward is gonna play everyday when he comes up. They aren’t gonna bring him up to be in a platoon
by jdunk on Nov 13, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
why is it so bad that we have to trade someone…we sign Cameron… and then trade him or McLouth or Diaz
so we sign a guy for money 9pay half his contract and get prospects back
where is the downside
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where is the money coming from?
I’m not opposed to bringing in a guy like Cameron, but if we have to dump one of our starters just to be able to afford Mike Camerion then I’d don’t know if it is worth it.
by jdunk on Nov 13, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We are, in all likelihood going to dump Lowe's salary
Plus, Gonzo and Soriano’s salaries are off the books. Non-tendering Church will save about $2 million. That’s about 25 million (give or take) to:
1. Sign LaRoche or another first baseman. (Say $7-9 million)
2. Sign Cameron (possibly) ($5-7 million)
3. SIgn a late-inning reliever or two ($6-10 million)
by cavebird on Nov 13, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And if we don't move Lowe's salary...
…we don’t sign a guy like Cameron. There just wouldn’t be the money. Of course, if we don’t move Lowe, we’ll probably move Vazquez and get a player in return who is either an OF or a 1B, freeing up money to fill our holes.
by cavebird on Nov 13, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like both of those scenarios, but we are still overpaying for those players which in part defeats the purpose of getting rid of Lowe’s contract.
by jdunk on Nov 13, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that overpaying for Cameron or LaRoche
They are both on the open market and in a sense are at market value. Cameron at $5-$7 seems like a reasonable price given what he brings to the table. I wouldn’t want to go more than a year or two for either of them, but they seem at fair value to me. Why do you think that is overpaying?
by cavebird on Nov 13, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if you believe fangraphs valuation…Mike Cameron has been worth over 18M each of the last two seasons (and has been worth more than 10M every season since 2002, except 05 and 07)
and LaRoche’s lowest season has been of the 7M variety and he is consistently around 8 or 9M
we would pay more for Adam bc the 1B market is barren this offseason and Cameron is considerably older.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 13, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We will sign an OF but not Cameron or anyone else of name value.
Braves seem to be once again looking for a steal on the trade market by trying to move D. Lowe and his entire contract to another club and until it happens you can forget about the Braves making any moves including resigning Roachy.
Really we should just let Roachy go and try and trade for a right handed hitting power bat at 1B that we have not had sense the Crime Dog’s days in ATL.
We need to try and get A. Gonzo from the Padres, and yes I would give up Vasquez for him in a second.
Padres get: D . Lowe or Vasquez & Jo-Jo Reyes & Travis Jones & Matt Young
Braves get ; A. Gonzo
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 14, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Cameron would be ATL last choice and would be a similar pickup to the G. Anderson deal before last season began.\
Of course A. Gonzo is not a right handed hitter but we could make an except for his bat.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 14, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If you think that Cameron and Anderson are even close to the same caliber of player, you are insane…like, David Koresh insane.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 14, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If San Diego were to agree to that, I have some oceanfront property here in Abilene that i’d like to sell them…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 15, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We have had quite a few since McGriff:
Andres Gallaraga
Mark Tiexiera
Ryan Klesko
just to name a few…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 14, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Padres are low budget. Their 2009 payroll was only $42,746,653, ranking 29th out of 30 MLB teams. They are not going to take on Derek Lowe’s contract. So, that plan ain’t gonna work.
by fandave on Nov 14, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I still think A.Gonzalez is a possibility...
…especially if the Red Sox move aggressively in another direction (they don’t really need a 1B anyway)—-the Padres are going to move him due to payroll. That being said, they would never take Lowe’s or Vazquez’s contract. But I’d pony up JJ for him in a heartbeat, plus a couple of prospects not named Heyward. It might not be enough, but it can’t hurt to try. Your suggestion for what they would take, however, is rather humorous.
by cavebird on Nov 14, 2009 9:19 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Payroll??? Gonzalez makes less then $5million a year?
If they trade A.G its for the simple reason of getting more players that can help you in the future then have one who will most likely sign somewhere else when he;s a FA
by AlRoBraves95 on Nov 15, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So basically the Padres would...
…trade Gonzo for a package of B prospects and a pitcher more expensive than Gonzalez is? Are you assuming they are insane?
by cavebird on Nov 15, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome. Yes, we may not sign an outfielder but maybe we can get on through trade. Nelson Cruz is an option but not the answer. Will I rather get Cruz then see Shafer on our opening day roster? YES. Rangers do need pitching so maybe we can deal Lowe over there.
If the Braves dont add some pop(sign LaRoche, add a LF and a RF with decent pop) the Braves will have a similar outcome like last year.
by AlRoBraves95 on Nov 15, 2009 7:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We won't add two OF
That would make no sense. Heyward will be a starter at some point in 2010, and McLouth will for the entire season (barring injuries). We need one at most. I would like to see it be Cameron—-he’s reasonably priced, decent offense with right-handed pop, and very good defensively.
by cavebird on Nov 15, 2009 8:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree…this team, over the 2nd half, was one of the best in the NL. Imagine the lineup that we finished with (LaRoche included) and a full season of a healthy McLouth, and you have yourself a 90+ win team.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 15, 2009 9:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and throw in Mike Cameron and we are a 120 win team….or soemthing like that
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 15, 2009 10:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
150-ish? I think that sounds about right.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 16, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
120 win team? seriously? thats quite a stretch…im pretty sure that would make us the best team in baseball history
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by Hcgadawgs on Nov 16, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
one would reasonably construe what i said as “a joke”..or hyperbole to be more specific.
the 1903 Cubs and 2001 Mariners share the title for most wins with 116
of course the Cubbies did it in considerably less games (probably the greatest team season in baseball) they won 76.3% of their games.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 16, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pssssh….the 2010 Braves laugh at such a low winning %.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 16, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
did the Cubs win a world series?
if not, who cares.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 16, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, it was the 1906 Chicago Cubs...
…and they lost the World Series, 4-2 to the White Sox. They did win the 1907 and 1908 World Serieses, however. And everybody knows how many they have won since then….
by cavebird on Nov 17, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
u are right it was 1906…my apologies to the world
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
interestingly the top 14 best records of all time in MLB only 5 ended in WS…. and two didnt even win their league (2001 Mariners and the 1886 Detriot Wolverines)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 17, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well tone of voice and sarcasm doesn’t exactly translate too well through a keyboard
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
by Hcgadawgs on Nov 17, 2009 3:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
logic does… and obviously no player is worth 30 wins
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 17, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
jason heyward…hello?
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
by Hcgadawgs on Nov 17, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he’s only worth 25
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Nov 17, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
*over the 2nd half, minus the last Washington series, was one of the best in the NL.
fixed
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Nov 16, 2009 8:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Truth-speak.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 16, 2009 4:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is true
what we need is to pick up some ace in the hole pitchers that don’t mind the low pay because the dorks of the North East have all the money and will use it to steal our players
by southman on Nov 19, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey now
Us Northeastern dorks aren’t all bad.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 20, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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