Best Trade Partners
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 2:12 PM EST
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Ok, I have avoided making a fanpost for quite some time now, but I had a thought today, and I want to hear what you guys think on the subject. First, I want to say that I don't want this to turn into a rosterbation thread, as I feel that those have no purpose. So, please refrain from saying stuff like "well, if we do this, and they accept, that will give us a lineup like this".
Now, on to my thought. Who do you guys think will make the best trade partners for the Braves? I see a few teams out there who could use some pieces that the Braves have, and I also see some pieces out there that the Braves could use.
I will name my top two possibilities. The first is the Rockies. They have two pieces in particular that Atlanta could use - Garret Atkins and Brad Hawpe. I am not sure, however that we have anything that they would be interested in. How well do you guys think the Rox and Braves match up?
The second team, and the one that I feel that we will end up making a deal with, is the Yankees. I read today that the Yanks are non-tendering Wang. I know that they just won a World Series, but gosh, if they plan on using that same starting rotation I think they may be in trouble. CC and AJ are ok as a 1-2, and Pettit MAY have another good year left in him, but after that, they are in trouble. Joba is not a legit starter - as long as the Joba Rules are in play, and Hughes has not shown that he is capable of staying in the rotation either. I think that New York may be the best hope in dumping Lowe's salary. However, I am not sure that the Yanks have anything to offer in return that would provide immediate help to Atlanta.
What do you all think?
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nick swisher for lowe? maybe?
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
I like the Lowe/Yanks idea.
I think that is very possible that the Yanks would be interested in him. Lowe is a good, solid starter that will eat innings for them and I think that makes Lowe an attractive option. Plus, Lowe’s salary is negligible to them, and they’ve been known overpay older pitchers past their prime anyway.
The only problem is if the Yanks get John Lackey, then they may not be interested in Lowe anymore…but I could see a Nick Swisher for Lowe deal as well, but how much is Nick Swisher making next year?
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Nov 11, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions
I'll answer my own question here,
Swisher is made 5.4 million this year, freeing up 9.6 million. That’s some significant salary back. We don’t really need Swisher, but since he is a lefty what about platooning him with Matt Diaz? Diaz kills lefties and I’ll check Swisher against righties…
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Nov 11, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions
Actually
Swisher will make $6.75 mil this coming year and only $9 mil in 2011. Basically we would have to pay him 1 year of Lowe’s salary for two years of production.
I don’t see him as a platoon candidate, his career splits are pretty close though he does appear to hit lefties better.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
Ah
which would make sense why his OPS last year is exactly .868 from both sides of the plate…
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Nov 11, 2009 2:38 PM EST reply actions
Yeah
and if we platoon them you’re looking at a combined season of over a .900 OPS. That would be insane.
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Nov 11, 2009 2:46 PM EST reply actions
Before they signed Iwamura...
I thought we matched up well with the Pirates. The Royals always seem like a good fit, as do the Tigers.
I agree we could match well with the Yankees. They could use some OF, and starting pitching, and we have both.
I’m not sure what we’d have that the Rockies would want, maybe a 2B. We have some decent young pitching, and everyone always wants that.
The Angels, Cubs, Rangers, or Diamondbacks also seem like good fits. I think we actually fit with the Mets nicely, although you rarely see those trades within a division.
Yankers seems to be a good fit but this would mean that the Yanks would have signed Halliday and/or Damon than traded Swisher for Lowe. The question is why would the yankees trade for a 15 M a yr aging pitcher in Lowe when they could just spend the $$ on a FA like Lackey and not give up anyone. Though the SP market is very thin after Lackey and once he does sign than you start to see Lowe talk to intensify.
I read today that the Angels are going to come in really hard for Lackey, and if they don’t land him, they will go after another big-name SP…Halladay’s name was mentioned, but I wonder if they would want D-Lowe?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 6:56 PM EST up reply actions
The question is why would the yankees trade for a 15 M a yr aging pitcher in Lowe when they could just spend the $$ on a FA like Lackey and not give up anyone?
To send some of their own salary back. For example, if they’ve soured on Swisher because he had a few bad games, they could look to send him (and his 2 years/$15 mil) away as part of the deal. Then you’re talking about getting Lowe for 3 years/$30 mil, which isn’t too bad at all.
"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09
by buzzdeadwax on Nov 12, 2009 12:31 PM EST up reply actions
One reason the Yankees or other teams would go for Lowe is...
…only one of them can get Lackey. After Lackey is gone, there isn’t much in quality starting pitching out there. I doubt any deal gets done until Lackey signs unless a team or two just gives up on him.
Well...
after Lackey, you have to assume that the teams that lose out will go hard after Halladay. Lowe is probably option #3 for these teams, and not considered much higher than free agents like Wolf.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Lowe has got to be considered well above the Randy Wolf-types.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 12, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno
Randy Wolf had a hell of a season in 2009…
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions
my fantasy team loved him, but he doesn’t have the track record that Lowe has. I think 2009 was an abberration from the norm for both guys.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 12, 2009 3:04 PM EST up reply actions
Perhaps you are right
but there are other intriguing candidates out there. Bedard, Garland, Davis… all cheaper options that seem to be boons in this cash strapped (generally) market, whereas Lowe’s less than optimal contract need not be explained again…
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions
right. But to teams like the Yankees where money aint a thang, I think they would have to prefer Lowe over any of those guys – Bedard can’t stay healthy, Garland just sucks, Davis…meh.
That is why I think the Yanks make a great trade partner for us.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 12, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe
depends on if the team thinks it has the prospects to acquire Halladay. I doubt that the Yankees are under that delusion, though their farm isn’t empty…
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
What pieces
and Austin Jackson should be ok, but Joba is a question mark. Its not like they are going to fool anyone with Kennedy anymore. I imagine that another good pitching prospect would have to be involved, and by good I mean ace upside. I’m not sure Joba alone will be satisfactory.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Joba, Jackson and Hughes
might do it. But I doubt it. The Jays don’t want to trade him in the division and clearly want a lot for him. The Yankess probably won’t pay what the Blue Jays would want, which would be something like Joba, Jackson and Hughes.
i think thats the first time i’ve seen “the yankees” and “wouldn’t pay” in the same sentence
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
I would take it a step further
and say Yankees CAN’T pay (bet you haven’t heard that in a while), because I don’t think they have the prospects to pull it off.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 13, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
But Halladay is a different animal
The Blue Jays have shown that it will take a lot to get him. Some teams won’t have the prospects and others might not want to give up the prospects. At that point, the asking price for Lowe would seem reasonable. Remember that passing on Halladay and going for the second best option worked out pretty well for the Phillies last year.
"Lowe is probably option #3 for these teams"
Last year Lowe was OUR 3rd option and look what we paid for him. The more time goes by, the more desperate some teams may become. Especially teams that need a front end of the rotation guy.
Last year many of us were surprised that we would go 4 years on a contract with him. Well now teams looking to add pitching only have to worry about 3 years. I think we have a decent shot of getting some good returns for him.
I like the thought of dealing with the yankees based solely on their ability to make moves without financial repercussion. And if it allows us to deal Lowe and possibly extend Vasquez for a couple of years I like it even more.
by Fischerking on Nov 18, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
The problem with that is that...
a deal of Lowe may come too late. That is, we need to move his contract so we can afford other players in free agency, such as LaRoche, Cameron, Gonzo/Soriano/other closer, and if they are already signed by the time we can move Lowe, that could be a problem. If Lackey signs quickly, that would really help us on that front.
Thank you, did anyone see Swisher playoffs stats especially in the Championship Series ?
Come on Nady is way better and will come a whole heck of alot cheaper than Swisher.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 11, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions
Nady is a free agent
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Didnt realize that..
thought he had one more year. after his season ending injury, hes pretty much faded into obscurity. But he may be an option to sign cheap due to the missing season. He plays 1st, OF, and is a RH bat with some pop
Having some serious deja vu with some of these options being discussed
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Nov 12, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
I have felt for a while
that there has to be some sort of a fit between the Braves and Brewers… but every time anyone tries to come up with an idea I don’t like it for some reason or another.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 11, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions
I think that any trade with the Brew-crew would involve one of the following: JJ, Vaz and probably one of the following: Freeman, Johnson as well as some other prospects.
Of course, that is assuming that we get Braun or Fielder in return…It is going to cost quite a bit to land either one of those guys, and honestly, they are pretty much all I would want from the Brewers.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions
Braun for JJ and Freeman sign off of this trade today or the; Fielder I would question b/c of his arb status (only two years left) and then he is going to want a Big $100 million + type of deal. Fielder for Vasquez start up now we are talking.
Go post though Justincredubil02
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 11, 2009 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
it would take more than JJ and Freeman to get Braun.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions
I don't know
I’m starting to believe Jurrjens would be the second most valuable starting pitcher this side of Halladay. He’s young and he’s cheap for now (Boras) and he has been really good two consecutive years and seems to be getting better. I would guess one more player would make it a deal. Jurrjens, Freeman, and J.J. Hoover for Braun? I’d have to think they would move Gamel to the outfield immediately and be ok but they could have a playoff-caliber 1-2 punch of 24 year old in their rotation with some decent bats surrounding Fielder.
But would Kenshin and a decent prospect land us Nelson Cruz?
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
What?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
What would the Brewers do with Freeman? The GM has already publically said they plan on locking Prince Fielder up in the near future. Jurrjens had a fantastic 2nd season and is a helluva young pitcher, but Ryan Braun is one the best players in baseball. I would think they would want Adam Milligan or Cody Johnson involved as well.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
Honestly, the way the Brewers seem to not care a lick about defense, they could make Freeman a third baseman again.
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If we a just fooling around, sure
we can make a package with JJ, Freeman and Cody Johnson or Millgan for Braun or Fielder. If we are being serious, neither Braun nor Fielder is available at all. So we might as well just have some fun with it.
ha
I’ve heard the Brewers are gonna trade for Albert Pujols…and then make him the running back for the Packers.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 12, 2009 12:08 AM EST up reply actions
Well Gamel must have been an absolute butcher to get moved off 3B.
I’m guessing not but is there any thought that Freeman might be athletic enough to play 3B? I know his size would work against him but everything I’ve read says he’s a well-above average athlete for first base. I would assume if there was any shot in hell the organization would have let him take it but I get the impression he has the arm and perhaps fringe athleticism for 3rd, similar to Mark Teixeira, who was playable at 3B.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Gamel was pretty rough over there.
I agree, if the Braves thought Freeman could play third everyday as a pro, he would have been playing there. He’s a good athlete and a very smooth fielder at first, but I just don’t see it working at third. He’s just a little too bulky and I think he’d have trouble with the plays where he has to go in toward home and make a quick throw to first. He’s a good first baseman and his bat will be great there, so it’s kind of a moot point anyway.
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It would be difficult for a guy with his frame to have the foot speed to play the position and the fact that the organization didn’t give him any shot whatsoever is telling. But he certainly does look like he is going to hit, it was more curiosity in asking if he could theoretically do it.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
I guess theoretically he could. I’m sure he wouldn’t be the worst third baseman ever, but it would definitely be a situation where whatever offense he created was negated by his defense. If he had to play there in some kind of emergency or for a week or something though, that would probably be just fine.
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What about the Tigers...
looking to dump salary and us swooping in and hammering out a trade for Miggy? One can dream.
How could we afford that?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions
No way I want Miggy speaking of washed up and overpaided I would rather keep all of our pitching and not acquire a power bat at all than get Miggy from the Tigers.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 11, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
What?
Surely you are mistaking Miggy (Miguel Cabrera) for Maggs (Magglio Ordonez)???
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
I always thought they called him Miguelito. Of course, maybe that stopped after he gained 60 pounds.
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Having been to Comerica Park this past summer and seeing Cabrera crush one over the fence in person, I like the idea, but know its probably not going to happen.
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Nov 11, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
trading lowe to the yankees would just be a salary dump and free up the money to get a corner outfield bat. nick swisher is good, but we need a big bat. IMO you trade lowe for a solid bullpen arm (bruney, aceves, or robertson), and everybody knows they have no problem with giving up talent in the farm system. throw in a couple of mid level prospects and call it a deal.
with the money, you go out and look at a corner outfielder. holliday and bay are probably out of the price range, but jermaine dye would be a good fit. Put dye in left field, mclouth in center, and diaz in right(use same approach with jason heyward as with tommy hanson).
True that Lowe will more than likely be a salary dump somewhere and could be very well the yankees. If I had choice to spend 15M with lowe’s salary I don’t want Dye as my first choice or even second one, He is really bad in the OF (Not as bad as GA) but I rather go get a Cameron on one yr deal move McClouthe to LF and Schafer/Diaz Stop Gapping in RF till Heyward is ready. Than use the rest to resign Gonzo/Wagner and Putz, Sign Laroche/Nick Johnson/Garret Atkins. I just wish that Chipper who help this team and move to first in order to get a Figgins type at 3B to finally solving our leadoff spot. But I hope FW will move Lowe to find a powerbat either at 1B/LF
I agree that it is the best idea with one caveat...
my caveat being we should stay far away from Garrett Atkins. But otherwise, it makes sense, is financially doable, doesn’t involve other teams making trades they would never make, and is a very likely scenario. I wouldn’t worry so much about a true lead-off hitter—-they are overrated. Anyone who can get on base would be fine. Figgins could do that, but you are paying for SB’s that aren’t that valuable in real baseball. As for Chipper moving to first, even if he were to do that and we signed Figgins, we would lose the extra power bat we want to add to the line-up.
Absolutely, positively a big NO on
Garret Atkins.
I’ve been one of Brad Hawpe’s biggest supporters this whole time. I’d love to have him play in Atlanta.
And I guess I’d take Swisher, but besides him, I’d rather just dump DLowe on the Yankees for a few decent prospects and salary relief.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
Why not Atkins? Do you think he is done?
I don’t. I think he would be a cheap, low-risk/high-reward kinda guy that could eventually replace Chipper.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions
Can't disagree
but my problem with trading for him is the fact the Rockies very likely will be cutting him this off-season (non-tendering).
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
This is true
why trade for him when he is a non-tender candidate
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 11, 2009 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
because there are rumors of other teams trying to get him in a trade right now.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
let them overpay then
The Braves should be smarter. However, it does give me hope that Wren might get something for KJ…
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 11, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
Two reasons for not Atkins
1. As others have noted, he will be non-tendered. He can be had cheaply, the suitors will not line-up.
2. He is a pure Coors Field product. His career numbers outside of Coors are: .252/.324/.411 with a .735 OPS (82 tOPS+). Epic fail.
THIS.
not to mention, when I would talk to folks over at PurpleRow, most of ‘em absolutely hated Atkins and said he hadn’t come up with a clutch hit in 2 season.
I agree, Atkins would be a low-risk/high-reward player, but there’s no way he could replace Chipper. I guess we could sign him as a pinch hitter, but I would doubt Atkins would want that.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
ok. I think it is safe to say that nobody will EVER replace Chipper. But, we still need someone who could fill a defensive void at 3B and provide some sort of offensive ability. I think GA (not FUGA) could possibly be that answer.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
It isn't a horrible idea
but I think better options may come along by the time Chipper retires…
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 11, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
I would rather see the organization trade for Alex Gordon and let him split some time with Diaz in left and see if he could be ready to take over for Chipper. He’s likely available and has fallen quite a ways but probably not to Hermida status.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
What makes you think Alex Gordon is available? The Fields trade? There’s not much hope that he can hold down 3B defensively.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
The Fields trade has nothing to do with it. Gordon has underachieved in KC to the point that they might be ready to move on.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
that moustakas guy
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
You mean the guy who wOBA’d 319 this year in high A ball with poor plate discipline and problems against LHPs? He’s not going to be ready until at least mid-2011 and perhaps not ever.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
he was a high draft pick and higly praised by scouts… its too early to write him off and its not like the Royals are competing anytime soon anyways
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
his numbers in coors this year were not that different than his numbers outside of coors. If he were truly a product of CF, then why would only his numbers there slump this year?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
The reason only his Coors numbers slumped this year...
…is that his away numbers were always bad. This year he was bad everywhere. He’s never been able to hit outside of Coors. This year he just wasn’t able to hit there either. Hence his overall numbers were really bad. Even then, his road OPS in 2009 was significantly below his already mediocre career numbers: Career road OPS is 735, his 2009 road OPS was .624. He just has never been very good outside of Coors. Let someone else overpay.
Who are the Marlins gonna put at 2B if they trade Uggla? If they need a 2B, we have one that may get nontendered pretty soon. Throw him and a couple of prospects and we have our source of power hitting behing Chipper.
Probably Bonafacio?
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions
oh ya
it would be Coghlan. I forgot he’s not usually an OF.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions
I was thinking that
The Yanks would be the best but two things might stop that.
1. Blue Jays want to trade Haliday
2. The latest greatest Japanese export anounced his Free Agency
but on the bright side it seems they are only gonna offer Damon a two year contract where most experts think he can get three
For that reason I see them as our best trading option team
On the bad side if they let Damon go then Matsui will be offered Arbitration….Now that would be the Bat we need! (to the nay sayers I say 6RBIs in a WS game!)
Matsui isn't an option
He’s DH only the entire season. If we thought Garrett Anderson was ugly in the field last year, Matsui would be a disaster, his knee wouldn’t hold up.
Not sure
he presents a big enough target to play 1st.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions
the Indians maybe?
figured they could use Lowe to fill the starting pitcher void creatd by the Cliff Lee trade. Or maybe the Brewers?
I am pretty sure that they cannot take on salary. Adding Lowe would be counter-productive to what they tried to accomplish by trading Lee.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
yep
they’re pretty much starting over in Cleveland. It must be tough to be a fan of the Tribe right now. I guess they could go watch Major League and feel a little better tho..
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
Yankees only get stronger by dealing D. Lowe to them.
Interesting ideas guys;
Like the idea of trading with the Brew Crew too and actually like it better than trading with the Yankees I just hate making them a stronger team then they already are. Giving them Lowe for nothing basically b/c the having nothing that we need would then make their rotation just as good if not better than ours.
Brewers have wanted Vasquez for a long time but as posted above we would be trading away our ace so I would want either Fielder or Braun (I would throw in something extra for Braun) for Vasquez.
Just don’t like the idea of making the Yankees a stronger team.
by Holty_Panthers_Fan on Nov 11, 2009 7:30 PM EST reply actions
I don't think it is worth it
to fret about how the Yankees, who aren’t even in the NL, are going to get better. If there is a legit trade to be made, you make it. Doesn’t matter who it is to unless they are in the same division.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 11, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
yeah
i could care less if we’re “helping out the Yankees” or not.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by Scott Coleman on Nov 11, 2009 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
A bunch have in the rosterbation post
But I personally don’t see a fit there anyway. The haul that Padres would demand would be absolutely gigantic.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 11, 2009 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly. I want this thread to be about legit trade partners, not some rosterbatized fantasy in which we name every player who we want and how many prospects/players we think it would take to get them.
I would also like to avoid the whole “Let’s give the cardinals JoJo Reyes, KJ and Medlen for Pujols” type of talk.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 11, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
I, like you, can count the number of times I’ve rosterbated on one hand, and haven’t really read the new rosterbation threads (granted i made one comment about the mets gm in the new thread) so i had no clue that it was brought up. I actually thought they were a legit trading parter.
but those questions are stupid and why i never understood the who hangs up first questions
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
Yeah, they will want a bunch, but it is still somewhat realistic
unless they want to much. They don’t get JJ, Hanson or Heyward. But if they would go for a big mess of prospects and guys who need new scenery like KJ, Kawakami, Freeman, Milligan, Teheran, etc., we could get something done. However, given how they handled Peavy last year, they will probably insist on an untouchable and we’ll get nowhere.
dude
JJ, Hanson, or Heyward would be part of any dea involving A-Gonz. And it wouldn’t be a fair trade without one of them involved anyway.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
if we can’t strike a deal with yankees, then the angels look like the next best bet. i’d take a derek lowe for jaun rivera deal or tori hunter but i think the latter of the two is less likely. i would say abreu but another left handed bat does us no good. rivera tears up lefties and isn’t too expensive.
Which is why that is pure fantasy
Lowe is a good pitcher but with a big contract. He won’t fetch Rivera or Hunter. His trade value is very limited. We don’t get a good cheap player for him. Just not going to happen.
he might fetch Rivera… and i would be ok with that
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Why would he fetch Rivera?
Rivera is signed cheaply ($4-5 million, two years left on deal) and posted an .810 OPS last season. Trading him for Lowe, a good pitcher who is at or above market value salary-wise would make no sense whatsoever—-especially since the Lowe salary would hurt them in their attempts to retain Figgins or fill the hole left by his departure, not to mention filling the hole left by Rivera’s departure.
in terms of cost to talent it matches up well… Lowe costs more but he is also more valuable…
i don’t think the Angels would do it bc they dont have a replacement, but i dont know their system that well.
the Angles need pitching badly if they lose Lackey (their rotation is currently Santana, Weaver, and Kazmir…personally i think they are all fine pitchers, but they are all 3s in my mind). so and their payroll wont increase any more than it would if they resign Lackey and Figgins… in fact it would go down bc they arent paying 4-5M to Rivera
i know the Angels are looking for a new DH and they need to resign Figgins and a P.
but they could let figgins go, start Izturis at 3B, and go buy a bat and be in the same spot…
this is all a far departure from the point, which is Rivera for Lowe is not a ludicrous deal
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I disagree with your first statement
Lowe is, at best, at value—worth the $15 million he makes, but not more.
Rivera, at his current contract of $4-5 million per year, is signed below value.
That is why I don’t think it would work, more than anything else.
i see what you are saying and your right…but i dont think teams always think tht way so i think reasonable minds can disagree on this one
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Don't get me wrong...
…if the Angels offer Rivera for Lowe, Wren should say yes in about three seconds and submit the paperwork within the hour. I think it would be great. I just don’t think it’s likely. Now, if we were talking about the Royals or the Pirates, hey, they get fleeced all the time.
it comes down to two things
1) how desparate they are for pitching (which we don’t know)
2) how willing they are to use another guy to replace Rivera (since i don’t even know who that guy would be… i again don’t know)
i agree they arent comparable in value, but that doesnt mean a trade isnt possible, esp considering their values are close (ish)
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I like the Swisher idea. However, I’m not sold on the Yankees having interest in Lowe. He has been a much better pitcher since coming to the national league and I’m not sure how well he would do in Yankee Stadium at this point. If Lackey’s elbow checks out, I expect the Yankees to throw AJ Burnett money at him.
The Mets…
It would be strange but it seems like they would have interest in Lowe. I’m not going to speculate what we could get from them but I would expect a couple decent, not great prospects and of course the salary relief. A John Lackey signing would likely end this speculation but Lackey seems equally likely to land in a number of places. But they say they have money to spend and certainly have a big need for a starter.
The Rangers…
Nelson Cruz would be a major fit in LF for the Braves.
I could see Medlen going with another prospect to Texas for Cruz. Trading Medlen wouldn’t be ideal but if someone thinks he could start next year, his value to the other team would be greater than his value to us.
The Reds…
Nick Masset and Jared Burton are both arbitration eligible for the 1st time and could be late inning relievers for us. The Reds just announced they are looking to cut payroll and I would think Burton especially, who had a down year last year after pitching well in 07 and 08, is available.
The Angels…
If John Lackey bolts town, I could see this team coming hard after Vazquez or less so Lowe. Lowe would be a better fit for us to trade though, with maybe Brandon Wood and a gamble on a return to form for Jose Arredondo coming to Atlanta. or Lowe for Juan Rivera?
And this is just a hunch but if the Braves do indeed acquire a big bat to play LF, I could see Diaz being made available. If this happened, I would expect we could fetch a young reliever to replace Gonzo and/or Soriano from teams like the Mariners or Padres.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Interesting thoughts
A couple of thoughts I have:
Don’t know if Swisher is any good. I guess he is fine return for a salary dump trade of Lowe, but I wouldn’t put a huge amount of stock in him.
I don’t know if the Mets have any decent prospects—-those they have that area decent are overhyped and considered great and we wouldn’t get them, lol.
I don’t know why the Rangers want to move Nellie Cruz, but I have heard this a number of places. Strange.
The Reds relievers sound like an interesting idea. I know the Reds are probably trying to move bigger salary first, but heck, they might move any salary they can.
The Angels could want Lowe, but there is no way we get a player the caliber of Rivera back for him unless we eat most of the salary, which would defeat the purpose of trading him.
I agree that we should make Diaz available if we get a LF. Heyward will be up soon and we can cobble something together until he is ready.
Re; Nelson Cruz
Considering that Cruz is already 29 and a free swinger, I would guess that the Rangers are thinking he is likely to regress next season. Think Ryan Ludwick.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
NC Splits
Home: 286/362/568
Away: 232/300/478
No thanks.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Cruz was really good for 4 of the 6 months on the season. He’s actually a pretty good athlete, better than the oft-injured Ludwick and he is a good defender with a fantastic arm. He’s mashed in the minors prior to finally breaking through at the big league level and I think he will continue to play at a high level. Going forward, I like him better than Jason Bay.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
That's quite a stretch I think
I know his minor league numbers were good, but Ludwick’s numbers in the minors were always good as well. I am not sure I like him better than Bay, that seems like a bit much.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 3:19 PM EST up reply actions
Well to be fair, I’m expecting Bay to fall off quickly. He’s losing athleticism quickly
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Lowe to Rangers
How about Lowe and a prospect (or 2), plus kicking in $2.5 mil to the Rangers for Josh Hamilton? Then using the saved money to sign Figgins.
by Blue or CONKZILLA on Nov 14, 2009 3:54 AM EST up reply actions
or maybe we trade crap for awesomeness… and then sign the Marlins
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
lol…who pissed in your cheerios?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 14, 2009 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
shut it
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
lol, I still think that Lowe for Rivera is unrealistic, but you are right here...
…the thought that Hamilton is available is completely and utterly more humorous and completely beyond the realm of possibility. He is by far their most popular player, cheap, and very good. He is simply not available. On the other hand, given their cheapness, we might be able to sign the Marlins. ;)
Yes, another advocate for Masset. Awesome.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
He is ready to pitch in the 9th inning for someone. I hope its us.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Couldn’t agree more. I was a little surprised to see you also endorse trading for Burton.
Since we seem to see eye-to-eye on Masset, I’d love to hear your take on JB. Even assuming his velocity comes back, I don’t see why we’d want a guy who hasn’t demonstrated that he can control the strike zone.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
His BB/9 have been coming down with each year he has been in the big leagues. 4.6 to 3.8 to 3.5 BB/9. Relievers are so unsteady year to year, I would think it could be an off year. But he’s got a big arm and because he is super two arbitration eligible, his cost is probably going to be greater than his performance was last year. If he comes in fresh, with his velocity back, he could be primed to rebound. Getting out of Cincy’s bandbox couldn’t hurt him either.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Well, I see a few issues there.
First, while it’s true his BB/9 has dropped the last 3 years running, his K rates haven’t remained constant. I suppose if he could get back to his 8.9 K/9 rate from 08 without a corresponding rise in his BB/9, he could be OK. I’m just not thrilled about RPs with K/BBs anywhere near (or obviously below) 2. And if Burton hasn’t figured by now where the ball’s gonna go (age 29 in 2010), I’m not sure he ever will.
Second, I wouldn’t expect much impact from removing him from Cincy. As it is, his HR/FB ratios are quite low. It’s unlikely that those rates will drop further. If anything, he may be due for a regression.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
He does have his issues but he has a good arm and he has the second best cutter in the game. He has a true weapon of a pitch and while he generates strike outs with it, it induces weak contact first and foremost. His cutter was fantastic in the two years before this but was flatter this year, which probably has something to do with the loss of velocity and/or injury. If he’s healthy, the team that convinces him to pitch off his cutter, will have a dominant reliever. If he regains the velocity, which I can’t pretend to know the reason for the loss of, he has the stuff to overcome the BB/9 rate.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
"Second best cutter in the game"
I thought that this would be DeFelice, not Burton, but I took a look a Fangraphs’ pitch values for RPs to see if my instinct was correct. Turns out, Cormier’s cutter is leaps and bounds better than either Burton or DeFelice. Interestingly, Masset (the Red we both covet) was #3.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=rel&lg=all&qual=y&type=7&season=2009&month=0
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
i refuse to acknowledge any analysis that says Cormier is good
i acknowledge pitch values are good metrics… just not in reference to Cormier
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Burton spent time on the DL and his velocity was down. His cutter did not have the movement it had in years past. But, check out the 2008 season. Fangraphs has Burton’s cutter as the… 2nd best. I don’t know that he’ll get it back but Burton had a great cutter. I didn’t pick up his grip on the ball and it may just be a hard running 2 seam fastball but whatever he was throwing, was a premium major league outpitch. I can’t find video of it but when I do, I’ll post a link.
I’m not saying Burton is the answer to our bullpen issues but if the Reds are trying to deal arbitration eligible guys and will take quarters on the dollar, I’d take that gamble on Burton. Masset on the other hand, would require at least one good prospect.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Fair enough. Think there’s any chance they’d be interested in KJ? You and I know the Braves are gonna non-tender him, but maybe Cincy’s not with it. Rumor is they sorely want to dump Phillips’ contract.
Or how about this:
1. Arb to Soriano, Gonzalez, and LaRoche, all decline.
2. Jurrjens for Fielder.
3. Lowe for Walden (and Trout?) and $5M.
4. Canizares and Rohrbough for Harang and Masset (or Burton).
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
You know
Once I started thinking about it, the Reds would probably have to toss in a few mil on their end, especially if it’s only Burton. I initially had that deal as KJ and Cole, but on reflection thought that Cincy would balk at his salary.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
I was thinking something like Reyes or Redmond for Burton would work. If the Reds unload Arroyo and/or Harang, they are going to need cheap, warm bodies to fill out the back end. Reyes still has a chance to make it as a back end starter IMO and while he doesn’t have much trade value, I think he would make sense for the Reds to accept in a salary dump.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
A couple of those make sense...
…assuming it is Jordan Walden from the Angels, although I doubt we get any cash back beyond Lowe’s salary. I doubt we would get Trout, but it would be nice.
I don’t know if all three of Gonzo, Soriano, and LaRoche would decline arbitration. I don’t know if we would offer to all three because of fear that Gonzo and Soriano will accept. I assume we will offer to LaRoche and Gonzo or Soriano.
Milwaukee will not trade Fielder for Jurrjens. Just won’t happen.
I don’t know why the Reds would want Canizares, they are plenty full at 1B already. Still, they would be happy to move Harang and any other C prospect would do. Why we would want Harang (since we won’t be trading JJ for Fielder) is another question.
isnt there some reason about trading recently drafted players… im not being sarcastic or a dick..this is a serious question, seriously, manbearpig!
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
You cannot trade a player
within one year of his being drafted. I am pretty sure that applies during the season and during the off-season. But I don’t think either of these guys were 2009 draft picks, so it wouldn’t affect this.
trout was wasnt he?
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
You are correct on Trout
He cannot be traded until after the draft or the signing deadline. Somehow I thought he was 2008, but I am not sure why.
I would expect either cash or Trout, as Walden’s health/effectiveness is a real gamble right now.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
They won't give us Trout
And they won’t give us cash if they are taking all of Lowe’s contract. Maybe a solid bullpen arm or two.
I’d ask for Brandon Wood. I am not a huge fan and am skeptical of a player playing 3 consecutive years in the same league but from a need standpoint, he could help us. He has made improvements as far as cutting down on the absurd 149 strike out in 522 ab’s in 2006 to the 80 in 428 ab’s last season.
If we got him, I’d make him our 1st basemen. He hasn’t played much there, only 6 games in 2009 but if he’s athletic enough to play a passable SS, he should be able to adapt quickly. When Chipper retires, he could move back across the diamond to 3rd base, provided he hits.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
Brandon Wood would make a lot of sense
He may be a total bust, but he may be useable or actually good. But it is obvious by now that he won’t get a shot with the Angels (sort of like Dallas MacPherson before him; let that be a warning.) Unless they intend to let Figgins walk with the intention of letting Wood play fulltime, but I really doubt that—-if they wanted him, he would have been up to stay by now.
I have considered that might be the Angels’ plan. While it’s difficult to be shuffled back and forth, Wood hasn’t made the most of his opportunities, he has a .535 OPS in 236 PA’s in parts of three seasons. Sooner or later he is going to get another chance but he’ll be 25 on opening day next year and its time for him to hit at the ML level.
"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."
I think the plan is to have Wood take over at 3B and let Figgins walk. Obviously, if he’s available, he’d make a great target for the Braves.
And can’t Trout be icnluded as a PTBNL?
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Is trout a CF or a P… bc I have him as a CF….and we certainly dont need another one of those (or maybe we do… but Id say we are good)
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Milwaukee will not trade Fielder for Jurrjens. Just won’t happen.
I wonder how you can be so definitive about this. The Braves need a bat, and the Brewers desperately need pitching behind Gallardo. They have Gamel who can immediately take over at 1B, while the Braves have plenty of pitching depth, obviously. Seems like a great match, needs-wise.
Value-wise the deal fits as well. With 4 years left under team control, Jurrjens will probably cost approx. $16M. If he can maintain 2.5 WAR per year, that’s over $24M in value to his team over 4 years.
Fielder, menawhile, is only under team control for 2 more years. Assume a total salary outlay of $26M. If Fielder is a 5 WAR player each of the next two years, he’ll deliver approx. $14M in value to his team. Even taking into account deferred value and the compensation picks Fielder will likely bring, that’s still very very fair, and some might even argue it clearly favors the Braves.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
It won't favor the Braves
when he walks via FA.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 16, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
It might when he turns down an arbitration offer and the Braves get additional 1st round picks for him.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 16, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
untrue, because hte value of Fielder = Jurrjens as per the analysis above
so all we need to hope for is that the draft picks are better than the potential draft picks the BRewers get from JJ in like 5 years
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Not really…JJ is not a NEED on this team – a big hitter is. JJ is less valuable to us than Fielder would be, numbers, contracts and WAR be damned.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 16, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
Fielder outperforms in terms of WAR and his War when compared to salary ends up being equal with JJ…
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
well sweet then…that just furthers my point.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions
to be fair those are based on conservative estimates of what JJ would do (as per Yakker’s post in another thread)..
so in reality JJ is probably worth more
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Yes, my analysis was very conservative on JJ’s WAR.
On net, I think Fielder and Jurrjens have very similar overall “net present value” right now. However, as Justin said, when evaluating their respective values, you have to consider ATL’s needs/haves.
I think Fielder/Jurrjens would honestly be a win-win for both teams.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
me too.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
depends...
if you can move Lowe or Vasquez for a slugger, then Jurrjens makes no sense with his age and service time.
If a team is willing to give up just as big a piece for Lowe as they are for JJ, that team’s ownership may be borderline retarded.
It’s like the old “Cake or death?” question…if a team is willing to go Fielder for Lowe or Fielder for JJ, who would I choose? Ummm..cake, please.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 17, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
but...
is say Konerko for Lowe, or Luke Scott, or some other decent but not monster masher worth more than Jurrjens for Fielder, that is the question.
Of course for a similar return, you move Lowe. But imo, even at a lesser return you’d move Lowe and move JJ if and only if a deal for Vasquez or Lowe is little more than a pittance.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 17, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
for me, it would all depend on who you get in return…If i had the choice to move Lowe for Konerko or JJ for Fielder, I’ll take JJ for Fielder any day.
moving Lowe for someone on that tier is more or less a salary dump, in that LaRoche could be resigned and give equal, if not greater production.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions
Well then we'd agree to disagree..
I’d dump the salary of Lowe, take one year of a right handed power hitting 1B in Konerko to fill cleanup. Then enjoy the next several years with half the roster on the cheap of McCann, Jurrjens, Escobar, Hanson, Moylan, Freeman, Heyward, Schafer, Medlen, O’Flaherty forming a strong, solid core in the lineup, rotation, and bullpen.
I believe sir you are forgetting we have a future 1B in Freeman, and future middle of the lineup piece in Heyward. We don’t need to sell a great, cheap young piece like Jurrjens for a two year Fielder with those around, especially when you can take the savings of Lowe, use it to fill a bigger need, and then apply it to other needs towards the future with 5 years of cheap Jurrjens and Hanson, combined with 2-3+ years of reasonable Kawakami, Hudson, Javy (extended if Lowe is dealt), and then whoever comes up from the dozen or so potential young arms run down last week.
i’m with you sanchez
i rather get rid of lowes salary for the next few years, and sign a luke scott, and keep my young, stud pitcher…
rather than trade for fielder, him play a year or two and likely leave because we most likely wont sign him, and watch JJ pile up Cy Young contending seasons year after year with another team
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
I can see the point to both arguments
but my big problem with the JJ for Fielder proposal is that, at the end of the deal, presumably Freeman is ready to take over 1b, but may not be. You get the draft picks, but they may well never pan out. You also end up with an aging rotation:
Hanson (the kid at 24-25)
Vazquez (34-35)
Hudson (35-36)
KK (35-36)
Lowe (37-38)
Not that any of them are due for an AARP card, but that isn’t an ideal aggregate age for a rotation.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 18, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
It’s gonna be hard for JJ to get a Cy Young with that hanson kid around now.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2009 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Fielder puts fannies in the seats
Despite what someone else commented above regarding Braun, Fielder is the face of the Brewers. The GM has publically talked about signing him long term. While JJ could be a better value if he maintains he current WAR, Fielder is a much safer bet to produce. For starters, JJ is due for a slight adjustment next year based on his FIP and other peripherals. Don’t get me wrong, he should still be great, just not 2.60 ERA great. Furthermore, pitchers are always much bigger injury risks than hitters.
The Brewers need pitching beyond Gallardo, and they move some players to get some at a reasonable cost (due to their salary contraints). I don’t see them moving Fielder or Braun, however. I would think they would first move Gamel for pitching to a rebuilding team. Given that he is a bit positionally blocked, it would make some sense, especially if they sign Fielder long-term.
Then we trade someone lesser than JJ for Gamel – anyone down with that?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 16, 2009 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
and to add...
that makes them a good trade partner. Unlike say the Pirates where you had like KJ for Capps or nothing really makes sense, the Brewers can at least match up on multiple angles.
Todd Redmond and a low A pitcher of high upside perhaps Robinson Lopez along with another individual?
thats probably a low ball effort, but im not that hihg on gamel
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by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
close…tissues are standing by…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 16, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
if tissues are standing by...
it’s only cause the sock has crusted over. this thing got rosterbatory within minutes.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 16, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions
Fielder puts fannies in the seats
So does winning ballgames and making a run at the playoffs.
For starters, JJ is due for a slight adjustment next year based on his FIP and other peripherals.
I agree. Which is why I only calculated him at 2.5 WAR per season, well off his 3.8 and 3.9 WARs of 2008 and 2009. Even with my extremely conservative analysis, Jurrjens value is greater than Fielder’s. Moreover, I didn’t even mention the fact that Fielder’s 2011 salary is a complete unknown right now. Sure, he’s under team control, but his actual salary is unknown. The arbitration award Fielder would get would break the bank.
I would think they would first move Gamel for pitching to a rebuilding team
Possible, but I don’t think they’d get nearly the return on Gamel that they’d get on Fielder. #3/#4 starters are not Milwaukee’s problem—they have a multitude of guys like Suppan and Bush. They need the Burnett to Gallardo’s Sabathia.
Honestly, given what Milwaukee has done so far this offseason (trading Hardy, handing SS to Alcides Escobar, letting Cameron go and handing CF to Carlos Gomez, not picking up Looper’s option) suggest a team that’s trying to cut costs. Perhaps they’re in the same financial trouble as everyone else, or perhaps they’re trying to get their budget down to extend Prince, but unless Attanasio somehow finds an extra $50M under the mattress, I’m not sure that happens.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Given the comments from the GM...
…about extending Fielder this offseason, I think they are cutting to try to extend him. Maybe something could be available late after they try and fail to extend Fielder, but honestly, I think they find a way to do it. And even if Fielder is available, unless they are idiots, the Brewers let everyone know it, which puts him in Adrian Gonzalez territory—-the BoSox can offer more than we’ll want to and don’t care about the salary. On the other hand, if that happens, we might have a better chance at A Gonz, which is better for us salary wise.
What about the Nationals?
They are an interesting case because they have Willingham. They also have a young rotation that could use a solid veteran presence like D-Lowe, and are also uniquely in a position to take on salary a bit with their new stadium. I wonder if there is a fit.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 2:18 PM EST reply actions
No thanks to any player from Colorado.
Not a huge fan of Swisher, but he’d be decent. I’m not sure he’d be the power bat the Braves ultimately need though.
Hell I’m not sure that power bat is even available. Sign Cameron. He wants to play here and might take a discount too.
Cameron wants to play here? I haven’t heard that before…do you have a link?
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by justincredubil02 on Nov 12, 2009 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
pretty close at this point
but I don’t think that was the intent
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 12, 2009 7:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, sadly…it’s like a bunch of 12 year olds in an adult novelty store.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 12, 2009 8:12 PM EST up reply actions
tip toe'n
Ok back to subject…Best trading Partners…(History)
1 Pirates…got to be…we have come out the better on at least two deals (steals)
2 Detroit Tigers
Teams we have broke even? (IMHO)
1.KC (Braves) Royals
2 A’s
Teams we have sold the farm to
1 Texas
2 Angels
On the subject....
The fanpost is looking for the best trading partners, and suggests the Rockies and Yankees. Methinks the Rockies have what we could try to fit in, however, they are 6 or 7 deep in starting pitcher potential already.As far as the Yankees are concerned, the kid Jackson would be a nice addition to the farm, but is Swisher better than Matty Diaz? In addition, for D. Lowe?
I am not well versed in the American League talent, but trading partners in the NL we match up with are Cincy (Alonso,Votto,Heisey),DBacks( C. Jackson, Para) and Brew Crew (Gamel , Hart ). To be sure the Mets or Dodgers could use one of our 6 starters. JJ should only be made available for a D. Wright,Kemp, Braun type player. A package of D. Lowe/KK and say Kelly Johnson should be used for one or two of the players I mentioned above. Someone mentioned a JJ and Freeman for Braun ,and I think I could sleep well with that if we got that done ……
by mikie baseball on Nov 13, 2009 10:43 AM EST reply actions
Interesting thoughts but completely unrealistic.
Cincinnati is looking to shed salary not take it on—-Alonso, Votto, and Heisey are not going to be available unless we offered our good prospects for them which would be a bit silly.
D-Backs also aren’t particularly looking to take on salary, although Connor Jackson could probably be had cheaply since he is a non-tender candidate (so why would we give anything for him?).
Hart could also probably be had cheaply from the Brewers and they need pitching, but they won’t be able to take on Lowe’s salary and it is questionable whether Hart is actually very good. No way would the Brewers trade Braun for JJ and Freeman. And I don’t think Kelly Johnson is going to be in a package because everyone knows he is a non-tender candidate.
As for the Yankees, if we could get Austin Jackson and the Yankees to take on all of Lowe’s salary, that would be great for us, but I doubt they would do that unless they fail to sign Lackey. D. Wright, Kemp, and Braun type players just aren’t available unless we give a ton of young talent and overpay for them, which isn’t going to happen.
they say alonso is close to being ready and cincy thinks very highly of him…so for the right package i definatly think would deal votto
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Even if Cincy would deal Votto...
…it would be for prospects, not high priced pitching that we have to trade. They are already actively shopping high priced pitching (Arroyo & Harang).
Thanks, and I
agree that in some instances my that there is an element of being unrealistic. That said, the Braves need to be looking to trade FOR younger prospects, rather than trading AWAY prospects. Cincy has the kind of young hitting prospects that make teams pay attention. Add Stubbs, Bruce,Dickerson and some other kid whose name escapes me, but came up late last year and it gets one to thinking about how to firm up your farm system.However, the desire for the Reds to shed salary nullifies D Lowe somewhat (but JJ opens that door). Therefore that trade partner is viable. How about KK for Hart or Gamel? I think Hart has Werth like potential, and Gamel fits our needs down the road.Lowe works well for the Mets, but they have little to offer from what I saw this year in terms of young talent. As far as Kemp, Braun,and Wright are concerned, we should not underestimate the value of a JJ in relation to them. While straight up he may not do the trick, I am not sure you should add much more to balance it out. Frankly, he might be worth 2 of the Cincy kids by himself. How about Votto and a Heisey for a JJ and Johnson after they dump Phillips? Kelly might hit 25 at that ballpark.
by mikie baseball on Nov 13, 2009 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think the Reds have any interest in moving prospects
I just doesn’t make any sense as they are shedding salary. I don’t think KJ has any trade value as his arbitration salary will be above what he is worth, which is why he is a non-tender candidate. If you think we need to be trading for young prospects, that puts Cincy almost completely off the block—they only want young cheap talent and don’t want to part with it. If we offered Jurrjens, they would definitely be all ears, but I don’t know if they would give up both Votto and Heisey for him.
KK for Hart is probably a possibility. I am not particularly high on Hart because he still hasn’t learned strikezone judgment and has been regressing. I think the Francouer comparisons are pretty valid. I don’t think the Brewers would part with Gamel without getting young cheap talent in return which would sort of defeat the purpose.
As for the value of JJ vis-a-vis Kemp, Braun, and Wright, it is completely irrelevant as those players are simply not available. I am sure that people on other teams’ message boards are coming up with packages to trade us for Heyward or Hanson. Lots of fun, but simply a non-starter.
LA Trade?
LA would be a good team to strike a deal with due to there expceptional bull pen. We will probably need a closer do to the fact that Gonzalez is under Boras control and Soriano is not going to be much cheaper. The best option being a guy named Troncoso one of the setup men being groomed as a closer for the dodgers he is not a very well known player and the braves could trade Lowe for him. He pitched well last year and will have great longevity being a young player and he provides a very good arm throwing 95-96 and fastest clocked at 97.
Good call on Troncoso, I remember watching him pitch, and he has really good stuff.
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Nov 18, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
He does have good stuff, but if they’re going to choose a young RP to close why not just go with Medlen?
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
You can never have too many good bullpen arms
Besides, it would be nice to keep Medlen in a long relief role in case he is needed as a starter in case of injury.
i would rather use him as a setup guy and depend on someone in AAA to be the spot starter, or BUddy Carlyle or Campillo or any other guy…. use MEdlen in long relifer minimizes his talent IMHO.
he’s best suited for a starters role, but he is clearly the 7th best starter we have right now. (maybe you cna make a case he’d be better than KK, but itd be tough)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I have no problem adding good bullpen arms. But trading for Trouncso to close doesn’t make a lot of sense when you have a good young albeit unproven closer. Trounsco doesn’t have anything Medlen doesn’t, other than a higher price tag.
Medlen needs to be given a role in either the bullpen or roation. Keeping as a swingman is going to wreck his arm.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
Troncoso is relatively cheap compared to what Wagner or Valverde would want.
He only got 450k last year. This year he wont be owed much more. Also Medlen will be a good pitcher in time he has a Tom Glavine type pitching style. But he would be most succesful next year as a long reliever.
by Mgomez4closer on Nov 20, 2009 10:22 PM EST up reply actions
he's cheap because of his experience...
i.e. about 2 seasons. And it also means he’s under Dodgers control and not gonna be coming here.
What about the Royals..
Freddie Freeman
Jordan Schafer
Randall Delgado
for
Billy Butler
Joakim Soria
it solves our closer and 1B situation and we would have some money to sign an outfielder…it gives them a good young arm, and a good outfield and 1B prospect…idk if these prospects would be enough but this deal would do alot for us
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please God no
please. please no.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Nov 18, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions
you give up 3 unproven young players, for 2 proven young players that fill 2 of our 3 needs?
freeman doesnt project to be any better than butler..
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A kid like Freeman, barely 20 years old, with his native talent and athleticism, and still growing into his massive frame, how exactly can one project his long term production with any sense whatsoever of reasonable probability?
Freeman is a great prospect, but...
…you are underrating Billy Butler. He is still only 23 and has already put up good numbers in the majors. He had great seasons in the minors, too, actually better than Freeman and at approximately the same ages. The only knock on Butler is that he is crappy defensively, which could be an issue. Still, if we could get him and Soria, I don’t see how we could say no to that deal—-they (Butler and Soria) are both young, cheap, and very good. For the same reason, I doubt the Royals would do it, but then again, they make a lot of questionable moves.
that is a big issue though, especially for an NL club
we can’t hide his glove at DH like KC can. Do you put him in left, or 1B, of which Freeman might be better at both defensively, and for an NL club without the luxury of putting a Butler, or Flowers, or like player at DH, defense is a big factor.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 19, 2009 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
or possibly the rangers, the rangers seem to be growing sour on josh hamilton and he may be one of the guys who just need a change of scenery, regardless i dont expect him to be near as bad as last year, and CJ wilson is there set up man with over 50 career saves, he’s a lefty and has nasty stuff
so maybe
Schafer
Kimbrel
Reyes
for
Wilson
Hamilton
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
you must be one of the guys that get on here and think every top 10 prospect in our organization is a future allstar…nobody knows if Kimbrel will lower his BB total, nobody know if schafer is gonna bounce back..and who gives a shit about reyes…next year is possibly the last year we’ll have the same starting rotation, so this year is our year, so if it takes some prospects to fill our other needs then so be it…
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
The problem with your post is...
…that there is absolutely no indication that the Rangers are “growing sour” on Hamilton. You just conjur that out of thin air. I was at a Rangers game last July and I can attest that his jersey is by far the most popular with the fans and his ovations coming up to the plate are by far the biggest. He is most definitely a fan favorite and the Rangers would be loathe to move him for anything other than a deal that they absolutely cannot refuse. Two prospects who flubbed their initial major league auditions (Reyes & Schafer) and a relief pitching prospect with great stuff but a major wild streak (Kimbrel) is a deal they cannot accept, not a deal they cannot refuse.
Don’t get me wrong—-I like Hamilton and would love for the Braves to get him. It isn’t going to happen, however, and certainly not for a pittance like you suggest. FWIW, I think your comment to apoxonbothyourhouses was out of line—-I don’t think he was worried that we were giving up Schafer, Kimbrel, and Reyes, I think he was just laughing at you suggesting that we would get Hamilton (and Wilson!) for them.
my comment was innapropriate?
and no that is not out of thin air…he had a huge drop off in production this year after a great year in 08, one good season followed by one horrible season, how can you put so much stock into one player who has barely played in two full seasons…management had problems with his alcohol episode a few months back…so they may actually rather have a few solid prospects…but i was really just throwing that idea out there…you mentioned the jerseys and fan love he has, even as popular as he is with the fans, the fans don’t make these decisions, being a braves fan ppl should understand that especially
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
I didn't think your original comment was inappropriate,
I just thought it was speculating on an absurd possibility based on speculation pulled out of thin air. I still do. You state in your original post that the Rangers “seem to be growing sour on Josh Hamilton.” You have not supported that with one iota of evidence. Yes, he had a poor year after a great year. Yes, there was the revelation of the alcohol episode. Those two things are matters that theoretically could make an organization grow sour on a player. They are not, however, any evidence that the Rangers are growing sour on Hamilton or even seem to be growing sour on Hamilton. For that you would need comments from the Rangers’ front office or manager, or hell, even teammates. Nothing there at all. For the Rangers to “seem to grow sour” they have to actually do something. You haven’t shown any indication that they have grown sour, are growing sour, or seem to be growing sour on Hamitlon.
Furthermore, even if the Rangers were growing sour on Hamilton, unless they were idiots, they would let it be known throughout the league that he was available. At that point, they would get far better offers than three of our B level prospects. The deal you suggested would never be accepted by the Rangers unless Hamilton starting using heroin again, in which case we wouldn’t do it.
As for your second post—-the one responding to apoxonbothyourhouses—-I thought that was out of line and stated as much. He made a very vague negative post to your post. You then assumed that he didn’t like the post because the Braves were giving up too much for a Hamilton/CJ Wilson package when any semi-intelligent reader would assume that he was criticizing your post as pure fantasy because the Rangers would never go for it. That’s why I thought it was out of line—-you criticized him for something he never said based on your way out in left field speculation that someone could possibly think that the trade you suggested involved the Braves giving up too much.
damn, i sure i am glad we have you to mediate and interpret everyone’s thoughts cause we would be lost without it…
my comment wasn’t “pure fantasy” in anyway…it all depends on how you view josh hamilton…the way he played last year he’s maybe an average player…the way he played the year before he’s an allstar…and apparently you think the latter…he’s been injury plagued 2 out of 3 of his major league season…so no i am going to give the whole farm for him…if thats unreasonable then your logic is out of line…especially when you begin questioning intellect over a fucking blog.
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he’s been injury plagued 2 out of 3 of his major league season…so no i am going to give the whole farm for him
This is my biggest issue. As much as I love Josh, both as a player and a person, his years of drug use have wrecked his body. He’s never going to be able to play a full, healthy year, so I can’t see giving up much to get him.
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that was supposed to be writter..“so no i am not going to give the whole farm for him”
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
As a Hamilton fantasy owner last year...
…I can state the cause of his injury problems—-and while I guess anything could have to do with long term abuse of body, last year there was only one significant recurrent problem as I would shout to him on my fantasy message board:
Josh, for the love of God, please (#%$)(#%^&*( stop running into the outfield walls at full speed. This is seriously stupid. Let the ball drop. One double isn’t worth the next month an a half.
Air Bags deployed
Yes, he does have a Kamikaze attitude towards outfield walls…It must be fun to watch him play…???? So, in my fantasy world it would be great if he could become a Brave!
And keeping in the Subject I vote the Rangers as our favorite trading partner
because we just seem to “Bend over” (backwards) for them! :—)
and thats what i hate about fantasy… (don’t get me wrong im obsessed with playing it)… it causes this ridiculous reactions… i do the same thing…for various players (specifically Grady)
we should be psyched that Hamilton (or whomever) is willing to crash into a wall for an out.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
I disagree
I honestly think that the thought that the Rangers would accept the deal you outlined is pure fantasy. I further think that it is so far from reality, no intelligent person with the requisite knowledge of the players involved and baseball in general would think that there was any chance of that trade happening unless they were suffering from dimensia caused by the lack of baseball for too long.
and when his first comment suggests were giving too much up in that deal, im going to assume that he feels the same way about the second deal when he only says “just fucking stop”
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
His first comment was
please God no. Please, please no. I am not sure how you can read his intent in that post either. Maybe you are right—-he could be nuts and think that it is too great a haul. I just don’t see that making that assumption is justified on the basis of his posts. On the other hand, you had fair cause to jump on him for posting overly short underly comprehensible posts.
whatever man, im not going to have an argument with you on what someone was trying to say.
"Im a fullonrapist, I do men, women, autistic kids, children, the elderly." -Charlie Kelly
fair enough
He doesn’t exactly give anyone much to go on.
wow.
some of you have no idea.
we will NOT be trading JJ any time soon. not. in the next 5 years.
if we do, then i’ll eat my hat.
but i won’t be eating my hat.
just stop with the crazy talk.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Nov 18, 2009 9:47 AM EST reply actions
Hey, since you seem to have such a good relationship with FW, tell him that I said “hi” the next time you talk to him, would ya?
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
same here
my birthday is Friday. Maybe you could get FW to send me one of those cookie cakes? those are fawsome.
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by Scott Coleman on Nov 18, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions
I sure dont wanna...
see you eat a hat ! Nor do I want to trade JJ, but for the right price, anyone could get traded.
Wow Justin, glad you didn’t want to start a rosterbation thread…
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rosterbation question...
if its between Schafer and McLouth, who do you deal? Who do other teams want?
Schafer is young, with the great “upside”, while McLouth is a proven quality player with a couple years left on a very reasonably priced deal and probably won’t be a big time free agent when it expires so will likely resign another reasonable deal after that
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 18, 2009 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
If I have to deal one, I’m dealing McLouth. I think Schafer will be a much better player in the long run. I also think McLouth is more desirable to teams at the moment because he’s already established.
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I'd move Schafer
McLouth has proven production, and is signed reasonably. Schafer still has contact issues and while he has a reasonably good ceiling, I don’t think his power potential is more than 20 HR – 25 HR per year and his batting average potential probably isn’t too high because of the contract issues. Basically, I see Schafer’s ceiling as McLouth. But given his age and recent hyped prospect status, I think we get a better return for Schafer than McLouth, so I would deal him instead.
that's my thinking as well cb...
probably a better return for ultimately the less productive player.
also...
i think McLouth is an attractive player across the board. Can fill it at leadoff, or in a lower spot in the order producing runs. Can play LF well or CF good enough. Think he could be an attractive piece for almost anyone with his ability and reasonable salary.
I disagree
I think, if I am dealing, I deal Schafer. I think wrist injuries for a hitter are a big red flag. I guess I kind of subscribe to the Ted Williams school of hitting: it’s all about eyes, wrists, and forearms. I think that you have to fear that any damage to his wrists could have long term implications. For that reason, I am concerned that Schafer may never reach his potential, especially if he had surgery on his wrists. I would say, may be better to deal him now while he is still a “potential” guy.
by Andy Braves Fan on Nov 18, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions
the way i look at it is the risk on trading McLouth is greater, but the return is also much higher.. McLouth would bring in a much better haul, so even if Shafer doesnt meet his ceiling, we should have productive pieces to fill in from trading McLouth, whereas Schafer wont fetch a lot in a trade unless he is packaged with other guys (fact is prospects<proven ML talent..no matter who good the prospect is…to an extent obvoiusly Heyward is worth more than Yuniesky Betancourt)
for what its worth I would trade McLouth and hedge my bets by trading him for an OF prospect (among other things)…then if Schafer doesnt reach his potential hopwefully the prospect we get in return would.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
Sort of like what the Pirates did in trading McLouth with McCutcheon in the wings and getting Gorkys in return. (Even if Gorkys hasn’t looked that great since.)
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And Morton, in relief form I guess since we have starters
like one of the Oakland kids, would be interesting.
McLouth definitely has more trade value now.
However, given our organizational weakness in position players and especially outfielders, neither should be dealt except to score a major championship piece.
we would only deal McLouth once it is assured Schafer is at least a productive major league player (i.e. league avg)…. i don’t think anyone is suggesting trading either this offseason
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
lol, i know dude…my bad.
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by justincredubil02 on Nov 18, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions
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