One of TC's own on KJ
"By CapitolAvenueClub | October 7, 2009
Mark Bradley comments on his own blog the following:
I read the Cox quote [stating the organization just can't give up on Kelly Johnson], too. And I said to myself, "Why can’t they give up on Kelly?"
I’ve composed a letter of response to this comment.
Dear Mark Bradley,
Why can’t the Braves give up on Kelly Johnson? Because the organization isn’t stupid enough to give up on a player just because of frustration. Let me be clear, Kelly Johnson is a rather frustrating player. Though his range is above-average, he frequently makes errors–usually at inopportune and highly visible times. That’s frustrating. He’s also been an inexplicably streaky player. I don’t believe previous streaky-ness indicates future streaky-ness, I think it’s something that happens because of entropy, randomness, and luck, but it’s still frustrating.
Like I said though, his defensive deficiencies stem from his errors, not his range. With a little more work and experience, there’s no reason to think he’s incapable of eliminating (or minimizing) them from his game and becoming an above-average defensive 2B. And even if he doesn’t, he’s a close-to-average defender at 2B right now. His +/- totals at 2B:
2007 … 0
2008 … -1
2009 … -2
And then there’s his bat. The bat has shown potential to be, and has been in 2007 and 2008, an above-average one. In 2007 he hit .276/.375/.457/.831 (117 OPS+) with 16 HR, 10 3B, and 26 2B. He scored more runs (91) than he drove in (68). He walked 79(!) times and struck out 117. In 2008, he hit .287/.349/.446/.795 (108 OPS+) with 12 HR, 6 3B, and 39 2B. Again, he scored more runs (86) than he drove in (69). He walked 52 times and struck out 113.
This season, he’s hit .224/.303/.389/.692 (82 OPS+) with 8 HR, 3 3B, and 20 2B. The percent of the time he hits a home run is 2.3%. It was 2.0% in 2008 and 2.6% in 2007. His ability to hit home runs hasn’t changed at all. The percent of the time he records an extra-base hit in general is 9.0%. It was 9.3% in 2008 and 8.6% in 2007. His strikeout-to-walk ratio has actually improved from 2008 (2.17) to 1.69. His contact rate has improved (19.2% K% in 2007, 18.4% K% in 2008, 15.6% K% in 2009) and his walk rate is up from 2008 (8.5% BB%) to 9.3% BB%. He’s not popping it up on the infield as much as he did in 2007 and 2008 (12%), generating an infield fly ball only 11% of the time. So what’s changed that’s leading to his terrible results in 2009?
Well, there are two things at play here. First of all, he’s not hit as many line drives in 2009 as he has in his career. Line Drives turn into hits a lot more frequently than ground balls or fly balls do. His career average LD% is 17%. That figure is down to 14%. Now, the ability to hit a line drive is a skill, but a 3% difference over 346 PA’s isn’t statistically significant. That is–the best explanation for this change is that nothing has fundamentally changed and random fluctuations are responsible for the difference in results. Still, this is enough to count for merely two or three points on his batting average. And, likewise, his OBP and SLG%. Considering the fact that his fundamental skills are largely unchanged, something else is obviously going on.
The answer is luck. Kelly Johnson has gotten extremely unlucky this season and it has nothing to do with his input. For instance, his BABIP–something he can’t control–is down from his career mark of .311 to .247. If a few more ground balls find holes (something that happens because of luck, not a hitter’s skill), a few more fly balls drop (same explanation) and a few more line-drives aren’t right at somebody, his results look a whole lot rosier. The difference between a .224 hitter and a .300 hitter is roughly one hit every three games. It’s very likely that Kelly Johnson has simply fallen on some hard luck.
In fact, when you plug in Kelly’s stats to this Component Batting Average Calculator (303 AB’s, 82% Contact Rate, 6.1% HR/FB, 52% FB%, and .247 BABIP), it predicts a .222 batting average–just two points off of his actual 2009 batting average–and 8 HR, as he’s hit. Adjust Kelly’s .247 BABIP to his career average of .311 and you’ve got yourself at a .273 hitter. The difference is just luck. .273/.352/.438/.790 is Kelly’s luck-adjusted line, and that’s assuming that all of the hits on balls in play he was "robbed of" turn out to be singles. That .790 OPS is 48 points higher than the league average 2B has produced in 2009. His .795 OPS was 51 points higher than the league average for 2B in 2008 and his .831 OPS was 72 points higher than the league average for 2B in 2007. No matter what which way you slice it, Kelly’s bat is going to play above-average at 2B with any luck at all.
So you’ve got a left-handed hitting middle infielder who plays average defense, runs the bases well, posts excellent walk rates, shows some pop, and posts fairly good contact rates. And you have a hard time wondering why professional talent evaluators don’t want to give up on him? I think they’d be crazy to get rid of Kelly Johnson.
I don’t buy the "he’s not worth the money" argument either. Kelly Johnson’s 0.6 WAR this season make him only slightly less valuable than his contract ~$285,000 (something that has never happened in his MLB career, he’s always been significantly more valuable than his contract) and he’s been worth, on average over the last 4 years, $7.65 million. Kelly Johnson is an immensely valuable commodity, no matter how much your emotions of frustration deceive you.
One final point. After Kelly Johnson hit .214/.288/.359 in 263 PA’s through July 2 (he was placed on the DL shortly thereafter), he hit .261/.358/.493/.851 in 83 PA’s from July 23 (his return from the DL) to the end of the season. Things are trending upwards and Kelly has turned it around. Wherever he plays next year, he’s going to be a very good 2B. I just hope the Braves don’t look past the talent and into the frustration and end up non-tendering him. He’s too valuable and there’s too much talent and potential to let get away. Especially if his on-field production is going to net you more than you’re paying him. Which it, in all likelihood, will.
Sincerely,
-A Mark Bradley and Kelly Johnson Fan"
Wow, PWHjort...You have so eloquently stated what I have been screaming and arguing for months now. You have posted this better than I ever could have, and I thank you for it!
Let the KJ hating resume!
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Well stated argument with some good points. I’ll take the con position:
1. This year aside, KJ has put up better 2nd half numbers. You could make the argument that he is a bit of an Adam Laroche type guy usually. But, as my friend pointed out KJ has done a lot of his best work in Septembers against expanded rosters when the Braves were out of the playoffs. Which leads me to point 2
2. He hasn’t helped his team to victory. As a stat guy, I suspect you will dismiss this as coincidence or not relevant due to other factors out of KJ’s control. Okay. As somewhat more of a baseball neanderthal, I look at things differently. To me, KJ has been a guy who has had some success when it didn’t matter but hasn’t come through when he has had opportunities to help his team win. Compare contrast with Martin Prado. This is quantifiable for stat people (win loss record with KJ starting at 2nd this year vs. Prado when they were the only variable).
I think you have some valid points. Luck does play a part in hitting. He is a hard worker and he may become a better fielder. I would not be shocked if KJ put together a really good year at some point. That said, potential only goes so far
by niekromurphy on Oct 7, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
why not
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Oct 8, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You do realize that this sign applies more to the anti-KJ crowd around here…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The “anti KJ” crowd my better be labeled the “realist crowd”
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Oct 8, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And since I've broken the seal
I think your argument is very fair, NiekroMurphy. I don’t see it that way, but it’s a fair argument and I’m sure we can disagree.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Oct 9, 2009 12:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
And for what its worth, I do understand what people see in KJ. I just like (or value) Prado more. To me the ultimate proof in the pudding: KJ was the starter for the 1st half. Both he and the Braves did not do well. Prado took over. I think there is a strong relationship between Prado’s success and the Braves 2nd half success.
To me, KJ is just one of those guys you have to decide to fish or cut bait on. I’m more on the cut bait (deal him) side, but I understand some people evaluate him differently.
I appreciate your attitude, by the way. These things don’t have to be personal.
by niekromurphy on Oct 9, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just want to say that I appreciate your approach too.
I also want to point out that I dont think that the Braves success was necessarily associated with Prado at 2B…In June/early July, when he was absolutely on fire, the Braves were fairly mediocre. It was, IMO, more of a combination of several factors that resulted in the Braves great 2nd half – getting rid of Francoeur, the emergence of Tommy Hanson, Matt Diaz getting most of the starts, Infante coming back and bringin back LaRoche.
I think to say that as Prado went so went the Braves is a bit too much.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 9, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having said all that, I do thank you for simply having a “people value others differently” approach to this whole thing…if only everyone could discuss as reasonably as you!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 9, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let me clarify.
I don’t think it’s a “one or the other” think with Kelly and Prado. I personally think Prado should start 2010 as the starting 2B and KJ should be on the bench, filling in if Prado needs a day off, if Prado needs to move to 1B for a game because the team’s regular 1B (whomever that may be) needs a day off, if Prado needs to move to 3B for a game because Chipper needs a day off, possibly filling in at a corner OF every now and then, pinch-hitting, pinch-running, late-innings defensive replacements, double-switches, etc…
Also of note, Kelly Johnson started 11 games after coming off the DL. The Braves won 9 of those games.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Oct 9, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also of note, Kelly Johnson started 11 games after coming off the DL. The Braves won 9 of those games.
That’s because Prado was playing so well at a different position. Duh.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prado over Johnson was NEVER the only variable.
The number of lineup changes that happened were ridiculous. Oh, and Johnson not only may become a better fielder, he has. And he’s miles ahead of Prado in that department.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn’t mind the Braves packaging him along with a few others to the twins for Mike Cuddyer but unless they’re getting back real talent KJ should be in a Braves uniform next year even if he’s not a full time regular
by McCann's the Man on Oct 7, 2009 7:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Marteeen Prado!
Frank Wren for GM of the Year.
"Wait, bait and bash." - Jason Heyward's personal philosophy.
by mvhsbball on Oct 7, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s my question:
If Kelly’s 83 PAs from July 23 (his return from the DL) to the end of the season constitute compelling evidence of turning it around, what do the obcessive Jeffrey Frenchman haters have to say about his major improvement in 308 PAs after arriving in the friendlier environs of Metsville (.311/338/.498/.836 vs .250/.282/.352/.634 in 324 PAs with the Braves)? Yeah, you read that correctly – a .498 slugger.
by fandave on Oct 7, 2009 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Francoeur’s BaBIP spiked after the trade…his BB% and OBP did not.
As stated in the write-up, just about every offensive stat for KJ has seen increase over the past few years…lower Ks, more power, better contact, more walks, etc…the only thing that dipped for him was his BaBIP.
Jeff Francoeur is the complete opposite…his BB rate is down, his OBP nearly mirrors his Avg, his power is just about completely gone….the only thing that improved for him was his BaBIP.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 7, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absurd and rapidly approaching irrational to assert “his power is just about completely gone”. He was a .498 slugger in the second half of the season, with 32 XBHs in 289 ABs, which compares almost exactly to his power numbers in 2005 and 2006 seasons.
You could look it up if you gave a shit.
by fandave on Oct 7, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
his OPS in 2009 is higher than 2008, which is higher than 2007?
He is regressing to the point to where it is virtually gone (in terms to the position he plays).
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 7, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant SLG, but OPS works too…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 7, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, but that is blathering nonsense … which I suppose proves my point. Thanks.
by fandave on Oct 8, 2009 7:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup…the fact that Francoeur is regressing and KJ is not is COMPLETE blathering nonsense and TOTALLY supports exactly what you are saying…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude: WTF. I’m not “saying” anything in particular. All I did was point out simple facts. In response, you made an unsupportable, obviously inaccurate and conclusory proclamation. Then you start SCREAMING because I call you on obviously being dead wrong. Again, proving my point as to obcessive hate – which is, of course, hardly a good thing. Please allow me, kindly, to suggest you consider a chill.
by fandave on Oct 8, 2009 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
screaming? obviously inaccurate? Unsupportable? dead wrong?
Just because you happen to disagree with what I said doesn’t make any of the above statements true.
Look up the numbers – Francoeur has shown steady decline in just about every offensive category for the past 3 years. There is no debating that! The simple fact that you pointed out is meaningless, because it is simply not really true. Francoeur did not turn into some great baseball player when he landed in Citi Field.
Also, I do not have “obcessive” hate on Frenchy – going into this season I was one of his few supporters around here!
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
steady decline in just about every offensive category for the past 3 years
Other than, of course, the last 308 PAs in which he put up the following: .311/338/.498/.836.
Since those are indisputably improved numbers over those he had posted previously, for example, during the 2008 season and the first 324 PAs of the 2009 season, it is clearly and obviously inaccurate, unsupportable, and yes dead wrong to continue to assert that he regressed and declined during the last half of 2009, since he instead substantially progressed and improved during that time period, a much more significant and appreciable time period and sample size in terms of PAs and ABs than what you have harped on, ad nauseaum, regarding Kelly.
by fandave on Oct 8, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again, you dismiss the massive spike in Francoeur’s BaBIP. If more balls that you make contact with fall for hits, your average, OBP and to an extent, your SLG will go up. Fly balls become HRs, groundouts become seeing-eye singles and line outs become doubles.
Francoeurs still doesn’t walk and still strikes out a ton. His periphs are all worse and his season totals are lower and lower every year. He is showing the exact OPPOSITE trend as KJ.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't really agree with this either...
His HR/FB for 2009 is lower than his career AVG, and his BAbip only slightly exceeded his career mark. I think this is a bit closer to his true talent level than 2008. He still sucks at baseball, but you can’t say Kelly is unlucky at his worst and FYF isn’t…
Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.
by VivaLosBravos on Oct 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
with the BaBIP, I was referring to when he went to NY. On the year, you are correct, but for what fandave was talking about, there was a definite spike in the BaBIP.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't improve
He was probably unlucky early on this year, but he’s still a terrible baseball player. Success in a recent sample doesn’t imply improvement.
Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.
by VivaLosBravos on Oct 8, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really? Who was screaming?
Might wanna check yaself there, bud.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also, it isn’t his 83 PAs after the DL stint this year that make me think he has “turned it around”…it was his top 3 finish in Avg, OPS, SLG and OBP in 2007 and 2008 that make me think that May and June this year were exceptions, not the norm.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 7, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
However, that is what PWHjort asserts in concluding his letter you chose to post here for discussion.
by fandave on Oct 7, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And then there’s his bat. The bat has shown potential to be, and has been in 2007 and 2008, an above-average one. In 2007 he hit .276/.375/.457/.831 (117 OPS+) with 16 HR, 10 3B, and 26 2B. He scored more runs (91) than he drove in (68). He walked 79(!) times and struck out 117. In 2008, he hit .287/.349/.446/.795 (108 OPS+) with 12 HR, 6 3B, and 39 2B. Again, he scored more runs (86) than he drove in (69). He walked 52 times and struck out 113.
The very first paragraph referencing his offense….
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 7, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This isn’t even worht continuing anymore if you can’t see what the point is…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I will take a guess then: The same point about how great Kelly is that you have incessently made at least 600 or 800 times previously over last few months.
by fandave on Oct 8, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Kelly Johnson is a marginal second baseman.
He is streaky at the plate, plays average defense, and relies on a few hot months to prop his stats up. 2-3 months out of the year he doesnt help the team at all, or even hurts it.
Yeah…thats worth debating with an entire message board every 2 days for.
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Oct 8, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I feel like that is an exact description of Martin Prado. Only his defense is worse.
by acie4mvp on Oct 8, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dear god, thank you! Why is it that there is a very loud plurality of people here who think that Martin is so far and away better than KJ???
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because at every given chance he has proven to be so? Just sayin.
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Oct 8, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
true…except for those times where he hasn’t….just saying.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Impossible to have rational discussion with the irrational
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Oct 8, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
tell me about it…
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 11:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK. Dude...
We get it. We all do. You hate Kelly Johnson. It’s fine if you hate Kelly Johnson. Personally, I don’t give a shit if you hate Kelly Johnson or not. I’m not related to him. He’s not my friend. He’s just a guy. I won’t try to convince you to like him. That’s not what I’m all about. I have no agenda.
But all you’re doing is threadshitting. And when the entire content of someone’s threads’ worth of posts is simply threadshitting, I feel like I should step in and tell them to shut the fuck up.
You are yet to provide one single piece of empirical evidence to support any of your points. In fact, all you’ve brought to the table is:
“He’s streaky”.
There’s absolutely no evidence that streaky-ness is an actual attribute and not just random chance. There’s also zero evidence that Kelly Johnson is incapable of overcoming his so-called streaky-ness. Do yourself a favor. Go find ONE scientific study that suggests streaky-ness is an attribute. Just one. People might actually listen to what you have to say if you’ve got evidence to support your claims.
(I’m going to go ahead and preempt this. Don’t come back here with a few examples of players you call streaky. That’s not scientific. That’s not evidence. That’s hogwash.)
And you’re such an insufferable prick, too. God damn. Would it be too hard for you to be civil and argue your points intelligently for a post or two rather than resorting to personal attacks and bullshit 1-liners that you think are funny? I mean, come on. Most people are here to have intelligent discussions.
And by the way, your jokes are not funny. Not that I’m bothered or offended by them—or anything you post—but they’re just not funny. They’re not witty, they’re not intelligent, and they’re not even original.
Quit threadshitting.
I wasn’t going to comment on this thread. If I had anything to do with it, this thread wouldn’t even exist. And it’s not your stance on the issue that has pushed me to comment. Like I said, I couldn’t care less what your stance is. It’s the fact that you think you know everything and you’re acting like such an arrogant jackass.
You need to grow up.
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Oct 8, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
Do you feel better now?
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Oct 9, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to Prado...
Who is streaky at the plate, plays terrible defense, and relied on a six-week stretch to prop his stats up?
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd
Because I have an irrational love for Kelly Johnson. For a strictly qualitative standpoint, I think all those points are valid, but it may just be that Kelly never lives up to expectations. A quality example is Marcus Giles, who I also loved (what’s with these Braves 2Bs?). BP even predicted an MVP caliber year for him way back when (‘05? ’06?). Never happened. While I never expected Kelly to be quite THAT good, I’ve drafted him in my fantasy leagues every year hoping he’d “break out” with that 20 HR/100 R or RBI year. Maybe it just won’t happen.
by jc25 on Oct 8, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Has anyone ever done less to deserve such fanatical support?
by kevsny13 on Oct 8, 2009 6:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Martin Prado.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 8, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
This.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bring Dan Uggla to Atlanta and let him end this 2nd base nonsense. KJ and Prado are NOT the future of this organization at 2B.
by BigG1392 on Oct 8, 2009 9:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
a-fucking-men
60% of the time, it works every time
by ATLandUNC on Oct 8, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats just ridiculous… if KJ is too expensive to hold onto..how is Uggla better.. he costs double what KJ does nad is production is simialr (albeit better, but certainly not $3M worth better)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 16, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I feel I'm the biggest KJ fan around,
but I’m tired of having this argument. I think KJ is a very good player with some hard luck. I think Martin Prado had a great year. Doesn’t mean he’ll have another next year. Just like this season or the year when Chipper hit .247 aren’t indicative of the player he is, this year isn’t necessarily indicative of the year Martin Prado is/will be, likewise KJ. At least KJ has a couple years of production under his belt. I think he deserves another legit shot post-DL.
But I also feel that there are plenty of people that won’t hear it and won’t have their minds changed, just as I won’t have my mind changed until KJ hits .220 again for a season or Prado has another year of .290+ with 10+ homers.
Justin, you and I see eye-to-eye on this matter, but I think we’re fighting a losing battle. Let’s just hope for the best for all parties involved and see what happens.
Tigers love pepper; they hate cinnamon.
by Jareth Cutestory on Oct 11, 2009 5:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Good for you.
Hard to stay reasonable when unreasonability runs so rampant.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good for you.
Hard to stay reasonable when unreasonability runs so rampant.
Remember when the Panthers had a good offensive line? Yeah, me too.
--Darin Gantt
by MichaelProcton on Oct 11, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
did Mark Bowman reply to this or anything?
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 16, 2009 6:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It was addressed to Mark Bradley of the AJC, not Mark Bowman of MLB.com (both excellent writers in my opinion. I’m a huge Mark Bradley fan, despite my disagreement with him on this issue (I’m generally opposed to embedding parenthetical statements, but this merits it. Mark Bradley is pretty much the only writer at the AJC who has any balls. The rest of them are whiny and skittish. Bradley writes what he writes—which is good, and writes it well—and doesn’t care what anyone else thinks). And a Mark Bowman fan, too. I’m rambling). But no, Mark Bradley did not reply. The exercise was more academic than anything. I doubt Mark Bradley would buy it in the first place, that’s not what he’s all about.
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by PWHjort on Oct 17, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sry i wasnt even paying attn to what I wrote… but thnx for answering just the same
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 17, 2009 11:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why was this rec'd?
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Oct 19, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
because I spent so much time on it and asked for everyone to rec it
I don’t know.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 19, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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