Hudson to sign 3 year deal
'According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, veteran right-hander Tim Hudson is expected to sign a three-year extension with the Braves by the end of this week.
"It will be a shocker if something doesn't get finished in the next three or four days," said Rosenthal's major league source.
Hudson spent most of the 2009 season recovering from Tommy John surgery, but went 2-1 with a 3.61 ERA and a 30/13 K/BB ratio in seven starts once he rejoined the Braves. The 34-year-old had a $12 million mutual option sitting on 2010, so the new deal is probably structured around that figure as an annual salary. He has 148 career wins and a 3.49 career ERA.
Rosenthal believes the Braves might decide to trade one of their other veteran arms -- "most likely right-hander Javier Vazquez or right-hander Derek Lowe" -- for a hitter.'
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Maybe the Yanks could use DLowe next season in some capacity….
Somebody around here is more anal than the mom on 7th heaven. Freakin' A. lol
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Oct 28, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My only concern
Is that this is coming from KRos. It’s startling how many times he missed the mark in his articles.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Oct 28, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ditto
But, is this really telling us anything we didn’t already know? The way he’s worded his article it doesn’t say anything we haven’t already heard over the last few weeks- the talking heads have been “expecting” the sides to reach a deal since about Huddy’s third start since returning from TJ surgery. Must’ve been a slow news day if ol’ Kenny had so little to write about that he just couldn’t wait until something was actually done in this matter to report it.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
between ...
“Huddy’s gonna be a gree agent” and “Huddy’s resigning”, he has to be right at least once doesn’t he?
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Hudson contract is probably true. However, past experience has illustrated that Rosenthal doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, and he thinks the Braves have signed the hole in the ground to a multi-year contract.
by Mr. Glavine #47 on Oct 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bowman added to it:
6:39pm: MLB.com’s Mark Bowman believes the new three-year deal “will likely be worth $24-27 million.”
Wow that’s an AMAZING deal for us. FW is a god
by graf on Oct 28, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
8 million a year for Huddy I believe he is some sort of God as well!
Baseball is my life
by That a boy on Oct 28, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FIRE FRANK WREN!!!
He sucks! He didn’t sign us a bat last year! He overpaid for DLowe and KK! He didn’t get much return for Mark Teixeira! Bad bad bad!
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by mvhsbball on Oct 28, 2009 8:03 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Well, he really did
Massively fuck up the Tex trade. Anyone seen what Marek, that little nobody pitcher that was a throw-in in that deal, did this season?
You’d have to be soulless to not feel bad for him last offseason though after the wringer he was put through by Furcal, etc. He got backed into a corner and had to overpay for Lowe out of desperation. I really wanted to see D-Lowe in a Braves uni, and I was reservedly excited that he got him at even an above-market price. Can’t win ’em all.
And he didn’t overpay for KK. for about 7 mil a year KK’s performance is about what you would hope he would put up, but someone had to be the odd man out when Huddy returned, and two factors made it him- Bobby wasn’t going to send the $15M man to the pen, and the thought was that lightening his load at the tail end of the season, since the Japanese season is shorter, would ease his transition to the majors.
He really did screw the pooch with Tex, so I’ll have to subtract a letter grade, but thus far he gets a B, and if this deal is finalized as speculated here, he’s in B+ territory. Landing a bat would earn him an A.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is meaning that we should have gotten more for Tex when we traded him at least thats how i interpreted it.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 28, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly it
Both deals were shite, JS gave up too much, but at least he had an elite 1B to show for it. Wren pissed him away to Anaheim for nothing.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 9:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We did get DeVall out of it cause of the compensation of Mahay so in the future the deal could look better than it does at the moment…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 28, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But not by much, unless DeVall turns out to an ace in the truest sense of the word.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not fair to say that. I mean even if we would have kept him and let him leave as a FA and got the 2 picks no guarantee they turn out as good as DeVall so thats not really fair for you to say that man. And we have no idea what type if any types of deals was out there with prospects comin back to the braves instead of a MLB ready 1B.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now you're mixing up Tex and Mahay
Which middles your argument a wee bit. My point being I can’t take solace in that deal, and how much missing guys like Andrus and Feliz are hurting us right now, based on one prospect if he turns out to be a decent starter, considering the king’s ransom we gave up. Think of it this way- Toronto was seeking a Teixeira-esque package for Halladay, so if DeVall turns out to be a true ace, then yeah, okay, that soothes the pain a great deal. But if he turns out to be a middling starter, or (God forbid) ends up not panning out for [fill in reason here], then his presence does not take the sting out of just how much we sacrificed in that deal.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which MUDDLES your argument.
Gotta stop posting late at night…
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 2:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Always seems to come back to the Tex trade
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Oct 29, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WORST TRADE IN THE HISTORY OF BASEBALL! RAWR!
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 29, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
btw-it took me freaking forever to beat Great Tiger. He beat me almost 10 times. For some reason, i kept being dyslexic when dodging his uppercuts and ducking right into them. I’m up to Soda Popinski now though.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 29, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great Tiger took me a while. Esp that disappearing move, got me everytime. But Soda Popinski, damn tough.
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Oct 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
are y'all talking about new or old tyson?...
wii or nintendo original?
Great Tiger is harder now, but still doable. Mr. Sandman and Super Macho Man are unreal.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im talking about the Wii incarnation. Most of the guys are much tougher this go round. (besides Glass Joe) Even Don Flamenco is a bit of a badass
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Oct 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i laughed pretty hard when i found out Don Flamenco was the champ in the major circuit, but he beat me a couple times before i got him. Same with that annoying Irishman.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i laughed pretty hard when i found out Don Flamenco was the champ in the major circuit, but he beat me a couple times before i got him. Same with that annoying Irishman.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 29, 2009 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wii
Great Tiger had me cussing at myself, because of my dyslexic dodging discussed above. I knew which way i had to go, but i just kept messing up. I only played a one round against Soda Popinski, because i was already late to go somewhere.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 29, 2009 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
got y'all...
and yeah, they are tougher. But same as the old guys, once you learn to hit [button] when they do [signal to hit above button], it gets pretty easy.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So Devall helps the JS deal look better...
but how does it have anything to do with the Kotch/Marek return?
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 9:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your missin the point, Mahay was still in the Tex deal to us then we got DeVall out of it. My point is i was makin is at least we got somethin out of this instead of nothin. True we didn’t get nothin out of dealin Tex to the Angels except LaRoche so that is somethin and we may or may not be able to resign him but hopefully if we cant get him we can get a Type B for him so there you go we might still end up gettin a pick that COULD or could not turn out. So possibly resigning LaRoche or gettin a pick for him and then Devall still seems ok with me.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This trade will not be able to be FULLY judged til prolly 5 years or longer especially with DeVall and maybe resigning LaRoche or gettin a pick for him. Who knows if we dont resign LaRoche we could with that pick get the best player in the draft and a superstar who knows, nobody knows yet, we will have to wait this out so its no use worryin about it lol.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Disagree...
Devall is laid up for a year and LaRoche was a seperate transaction. Using the dreaded 20/20 hindsight, there is no way to claim either Tex deal, with Texas or Anaheim, turned out positively for the Braves. No matter how long we wait, we got hosed on both ends.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For one thing i wasn’t arguin about Tex comin to the Braves i was talkin about when we traded him to the Angels. Ok throw out DeVall then thats fine doesn’t matter. But we still got LaRoche for Kotchman who we got from the Angels so no you cannot throw that out, and if you do then no reason for us to discuss this anymore. We dont know if we got hosed yet or not what if LaRoche leaves and we get a damn flat out SUPER MEGA STAR with that pick? Still think we got hosed? Or if we keep LaRoche and he helps us and then we end up trading him down the road and gets a player that helps us alot. Still think we get hosed? Bottom line is this trade has awhile to go before we say wow we got hosed, cause in the long term this deal may look great. Patience is key…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes i said we got DeVall out of the deal when we orginally got Tex but mainly arguin about we did get DeVall out of it and could get a really good pick of LaRoche leaves…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coulda, woulda, shoulda...
you are basing a lot of ifs there. And a LaRoche resigning means what, since by your logic we are dragging out Tex for Kotch for Roche. So are you saying Tex for LaRoche and Marek would be a fair swap?
Sure, maybe some luck works out on the far backend two or three transactions removed from the original deal. But you are stretching things pretty thin to get this far out.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And you are basin this trade after just a few years, this trade will need time before we can say oh yes we lost or it was a good deal for both teams. And yes i am basin this with alot of ifs, is there a problem with that? You know thing is i could be right, right now you think YOUR right but in a few years you may be wayyyyyyyy off so you can argue this all you want but we dont know if we got hosed or not, cause this trade will take awhile to fully know i dont care what anybody says…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There aren't enough ifs out there...
to even that deal out, barring the off chance LaRoche walks and we draft Albert Pujols Jr with the compensation pick.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And thats exactly my point we COULD draft a mega star. Pujols was drafted in the 13th round, who knows we could draft a great great player. You can at the moment say we got hosed but its not the right or wrong answer, only way we will know for 100% fact is if we wait a few years… but by all means keep sayin we got hosed but we draft a great player you will be singin a different tune in a few years thats for sure… not gonna argue this with you farther.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was joking about Frank Wren.
I thought people on here knew I’m a huge supporter of FW and have been since day 1. I guess you guys didn’t know that.
Hell, my old signature used to be “Frank Wren for GM of the Year.”
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WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!
by mvhsbball on Oct 28, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, you were being sarcastic.
I caught that, but felt I had to point out that one of those reasons you were being sarcastic was actually a highly legitimate gripe against him. And then hot slightly carried away.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 9:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
to say he fucked up the Tiex trade you have to show that there was another deal out there that wsa better… I doubt you can do that..unless u want to say the picks were more valauble (and they may have been, but they wouldnt have helpd us this past year)
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 29, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So, 3 years from now, are we still going to be talking about this around here?
lol
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 29, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
People still bring up Wainwright, so yeah.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Oct 29, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just wait until...
Andrus makes an All Star game, or Feliz has a dominant season, it’ll come back up.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
aren’t you one of the main ones on here that will prolly argue about it if that happens and say how bad the deal was and blah blah blah?
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Listen
You have your OPSguy and GirlyName2B, let others have their Failxeira.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 29, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha…touche’
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
in my defense though, rarely am I the one to bring up the discussion on my two pets.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone has pets
Sometimes they don’t realize it though.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 30, 2009 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe there wasn’t a better trade, but you can bet your sweet bippy I’d rather have had the draft picks, because the two guys we got weren’t worth jack shit. Even if the two guys we’d drafted in those slots didn’t pan out down the road, at least we gave it a shot and tried to add some talent to the system. With the deal we made, we knew exactly what we were getting, and that was a bench/roleplayer (that we tried to use as a fulltime starter, to no effect) and a pitcher that wasn’t regarded with much interest before, and has gotten worse since coming over.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but LaRoche is a Type B FA so if he leaves we get one of the picks right there, only difference is we dont get the first rounder(our draft this year wasn’t all that good so what if we would have picked another so so player there would be bitchin about that as well) and if LaRoche stays and signs a multi year deal then we could deal him in the future when Freeman gets ready and potentially get somethin that way. I mean all this bitchin over a first round pick, i mean look at all the damn first rounders that have become nothin, it will be ok, the world will continue so its ok lol.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 29, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And LaRoche...
was a seperate transaction that never comes about if MULTIPLE other deals, including LaRoche to Boston and Martinez to Boston, come about. And I love how you are now talking both sides of the issue. Well IF we lose LaRoche and draft a future Hall of Famer with the pick, but here we go with “all this bitchin over a first round pick, i mean look at all the damn first rounders that have become nothin”.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
think what you want. Bitch all that you want. Do what makes you feel good. BUT bottom line is the guy was talkin about us gettin shit for Tex, well technically the trade is still not over with yet, cause we got LaRoche for Kotchman who we got for Tex so yeah its a seperate deal but just because its a seperate deal we cant say nothin about it? Thats stupid. The deal is still not complete yet so we will have to wait whether you like it or not. And yep i said that about the first round pick BUT if you notice LaRoche isn’t a type A free agent he is a type B free agent so we would get a second rounder and yes look at all the damn first rounders that have become nothin and i stick by that but this isn’t a first rounder that we will be gettin ;) What it comes down to is YOU want to say we got hosed in the deal already and you know the deal isn’t even finished yet but think what you want 90% of us on here are tired of talkin about these trades cause its pointless…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Say what now?...
1st rounders bust, but we are gonna have better success in the 2nd round? Really?
And 90% may be tired of talking about it, but judging by the rants you’ve been going on it’s pretty clear you’re in the remaining 10%.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“1st rounders bust, but we are gonna have better success in the 2nd round? Really?”
lol your too funny today. I never said that, did you see the ;) thats a wink if you dont understand. I was bein sarcastic with that basically you posted what i said, "all this bitchin over a first round pick, i mean look at all the damn first rounders that have become nothin" You see and LaRoche will be a second rounder maybe it just went over your head lol.
Ohhhhh i have been ranting huh? You have been bitching about the Tex trade and blah blah blah but thats not ranting, but i have been the one ranting ahhhh i gotcha thanks for informing me of that the “GREAT” Mr. Sanchez glad to know that i am a ranter and you aren’t great to know…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh and btw… there has been more successful MLB players than players drafted in the first round, obviously more players selected but yeah you maybe get my point or maybe not ;)
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and yep i am in the 10% i guess, which is about to stop explainin stuff to a person like you…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, just keep on talking to yourself huh?...
thanks for your “explanations”.
And just curious, please point out where I indicated that I haven’t ranted, especially considering the “worst trades” thread.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alright, back to your respective corners guys, the round is over
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Oct 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your right the round is over im done talkin with this guy about this.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
“Where’s my chocolate bar?”
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 30, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah we need Doc Lewis in here to restore order I think
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Oct 30, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite is the one where Great Tiger swaps places with him. “Where am I? I’m in the wrong corner.”
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 30, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the way you metioned my rants figured you didn’t rant none lol. And you know i will keep replyin to my posts its a much better convo than with a fool like you. So im ending our little convo thanks for your worthless info have a nice day.
Btw… anybody readin this dont jump down my throat for this cause this guy was a massive prick to me in another thread so thats why im bein a prick to him right now…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
reading comprehension helps around here...
if you follow the conversation. The rant comment from me was in direct response to your “90% of the board” comment. That was all.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
blah blah blah reply to someone that actually gives a damn what you are sayin cause i see absolutely nothin that you type right now cause of how much you were a prick so keep talkin…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong, but Kotchman was highly regarded at 1B with supposedly still-developing power. We knew what we THOUGHT we were getting, but it turned out to be something totally different.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 29, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember watching him when we played the Angels early last year, how he abbreviated his swing, and how the only homer he hit off us was a foul-pole wallscraper in right he roped off of Campillo. I took one look at the swing, and the fact that he had I think something like 5 homers for the season at that point and just laughed. Then we traded for him, and my laughter quickly turned to tears.
I’m no genius, but i do observe things, and no one tha abbreviates their swing the way he did will ever hit for much power. If you watch him, you can usually see that on his homeruns he follows through all the way, but he rarely follows through all the way and thus saps himself of power. It’s not a deficiency of talent or physicality, he can obviously hit a ball with decent enough contact rates and he had flashes of gap power, but he has a major mechanical flaw that he’s never gotten past and probably never will at this stage. That type of slap-hitting would be perfect for a MI, but not a firstbaseman.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you’re saying what a hitter does with his swing AFTER he makes contact determines how much power was transferred to the ball?
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Oct 29, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s more complicated than that. How you’re planning to follow through affects how you actually swing. If you plan to follow through properly you will naturally smack the ball than harder than the kind of slap hit where you’re already slowing it down to keep from wrapping it behind you. It’s not that what happens after you hit the ball has a retroactive effect on the moment of contact, it’s that the swing as a whole is affected by each of its parts, including the follow through.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess I just didn’t like the way you worded it but I understand your point. My point is if someone is planning on abbreviating their follow through they are actually beginning that abbreviation before contact is made – which is, I think, what we are both trying to say, correct?
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Oct 30, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
that is exactly where I was going with it. And I was just saying that his “developing power” is a myth; usually if a guy is going to overcome those kinds of mechanical flaws he does so in the minors on his way up. With rare exception, by the time a guy gets the majors his swing is more or less set, and he won’t make more than minor adjustments.
by J-Freak on Oct 30, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"and he won’t make more than minor adjustments."
Cal Ripken Jr would like a word with you sir.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably the rare exception…along with Jeff Bagwell.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 30, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
most are minor tweaks justin...
but some make significant changes, and those guys seem to just keep changing throughout their career however long it is too. But I can think of few players that come into the bigs with the exact same swing (feet, triggers, and all) that they leave having.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure here, but I don’t think we are contradicting each other…lol
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 30, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You mean Cal “I never used the same swing twice” Ripken Jr.? What about Vlad “just tell me when to swing” Guerrero?
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Oct 30, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"WITH RARE EXCEPTION"
I didn’t say never.
by J-Freak on Oct 30, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting theory
Not sure I completely agree that it’s mechanical, for me it’s more of an approach issue. Kotchman has always been considered a “hitter”, meaning his goal is to put the ball in play. I think this has more to do with his lack of power than mechanics for the simple fact that he’ll take something off his swing, intentionally, in order to put the ball in play. My theory is if he went up there and used the same, fully extended, swing every time I could see him averaging 20 bombs a season. I obviously have no proof, which is why it’s a theory, and it could have a negative affect on his average but I still believe it is possible.
I guess my main point is that swing mechanics are somewhat overrated. Take Johnny Damon for instance. No one in the league has a more vicious down swing than Damon, yet he has managed to put up quite a few good home run totals in his time. His mechanics are a mess except from the point where he starts his swing to the point of contact. When he gets a hold of one he’s hitting it just under center giving the ball lift and backspin to carry.
Still, I agree with your underlying point that some hitters just doesn’t have the goods.
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Oct 30, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious? You must be kidding.
by bbxxj on Oct 28, 2009 8:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, i obviously am.
Again, I thought people would know I’m one of the biggest FW supporters on here and have been since day 1. I was the guy with “Frank Wren for GM of the Year” sig not to long ago… I guess people dont remember these things tho
President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!
by mvhsbball on Oct 28, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry didn’t remember. I did think you were joking though as you made it pretty apparent.
by bbxxj on Oct 28, 2009 10:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
haha its all good man
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WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!
by mvhsbball on Oct 29, 2009 2:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Signing him for 8 instead of the 12m option it’s like signin Gonzo for free.
by bbxxj on Oct 28, 2009 8:09 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
it's definitely a good value...
now if we can just deal Lowe for Konerko or young IFs, and then resign Javy to a deal similar, or maybe $1-3 mil more per year
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This would be a good deal for both sides.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 28, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rosenthal sucks.
Rosenthal, exactly 15 days ago
Can we all agree to never listen to anything Ken Rosenthal says? Ever again?
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by PWHjort on Oct 28, 2009 9:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was SO happy when Bowman confirmed it. I don’t really pay attention to anything anyone says outside of DOB and Bowman.
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WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!
by mvhsbball on Oct 28, 2009 9:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't we already beat this horse to death?
I remember posting the MLBTradeRumors summary which including both Bowman and Tim refuting that KRos report within a couple of hours.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We beat the horse
And I always quit beating the horse when it’s dead. This one ain’t dead yet. People really need to stop listening to Ken Rosenthal.
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by PWHjort on Oct 29, 2009 3:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In his defense...
like I say above, between the two articles he has to be right at least once.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
O bollocks
That’s the worst excuse ever. His job is to report what’s happening, not write an article about every possibility so that one way or another he’s right. That is shoddy journalism at its finest.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never said he was a quality writer or that he wasn't...
just that on this issue, he’s right. Kind of like a game between Auburn and LSU, an editor can always put in the headline “Tigers Win!” and know they got it right.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That works
for the companies printing the championship T-shirts. You always have the winner’s stuff on hand the second they win, and you get good PR and get to feel smug by giving away the loser’s stuff to people in need in distant countries.
It does NOT, however, work in journalism. You investigate the truth, then report it. You don’t make up bullshit just so that if, later, by some miracle, you turn out to be right you can say you were the first to break the story. If you have no story, you don’t write, period. Jon Heyman is also guilty of this far too frequently. He and KRos ought to be ignored by anyone with an ounce of sense.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Again J Freak...
you won’t get much disagreement from me. But then in that business, people don’t tend to care or pay much attention to what you wrote yesterday, just today. People like us seem to care, but apparently not the masses buying or the bosses hiring/firing, cause that practice seems pretty prevalent throughout the industry. Just think back to how many preseason editorials, pre tourney NCAA brackets, etc, you’ve read through the years, now guess the number of those guys who went back and wrote “oops, I guess I got it wrong” after things played out?
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apples and Oranges
Everyone knows that in postseason/tournament play anything can happen, predictions are fun and there will always be a favorite, but underdogs have won before and will continue to do so. Also, editorials are presented as such- speculation representing the opinion of one writer. There is a place for those, and I’d never jump on someone for aligning their opinion with an editorial piece (unless the ed. talks about the virtues of Hitler, then it’s open season on you…). But KRos did not write the article PWH brought up as an editorial, he REPORTED it as FACT based on the little voices in his head “major league sources,” only to have major league sources (i.e. the player himself as well as the beat writer covering teh front office) call him on it only hours later. No, there is no room for reports like this. If he writes an ed. piece saying in his opinion it would make sense for Huddy to leave and test the market, then you have to take that opinion with a grain of salt and draw your own conclusions. But when you start making up sources and reporting it as fact, you have shirked your duty as a journalist and failed your readers. And that is unacceptable, no matter who you are.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Once again...
we agree. But look at the number of “journalists” for ESPN, newspapers, yahoo or wherever, that have a similar track record. That’s all I’m saying.
Are guys like Rosenthal and Heyman “good journalists”? Clearly that is in question. But what isn’t in question is that they are also well paid, award winners (deservedly or not), and supposedly among the leaders of their profession.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having gone to journalism school, myself, I can tell you that good journalism comes, in part, from having an editor that actually does some source and fact-checking. This kind of stuff amazes me, but then again, I was never a sports writer, and its a completely different ballgame (no pun intended, ha) from straightforward news reporting in a lot of ways.
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by Bravely going forward on Nov 1, 2009 12:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
Hopefully we can deal DLowe and then extend Javy
by drumzalicious on Oct 30, 2009 3:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Back to Subject
Does anybody have an educated guess when the Hudson Deal would be finalized…before the winter meetings?
IMHO FWs approach to this season was a knee jerk reaction from what happened the previous season… Losing Hudson convinced him to overload the pitching and not venturing for a big bat…???
by bravestatoo on Oct 30, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Are they allowed to announce it...
before the World Series is over? I wouldn’t expect anything official before then.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 30, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians announced Acta as manager the other day so i guess its possible to announce Hudson signin if it happened, could be wrong though.
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 30, 2009 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
Giants announced them extending freddy sanchez
by drumzalicious on Oct 30, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A-Fraud opt-out news came during the second round
Boras trying to turn attention to his client and away from the playoffs. There’s no rule that you CAN’T announce anything before the WS ends, but teams generally wait so as not to come across as the same kind of jackass that Boras is.
by J-Freak on Oct 30, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its generally accepted that teams shouldnt announce any news during the playoffs, but it seems teams have been ignoring that with increased frequency
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 31, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy cow
this is a messy thread
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Oct 31, 2009 1:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And now we are back to square 1
Since TEX left we haven’t had a true clean-up hitter. So FW must go out and procur a new big bat. I don;t see that happening before the season begins, which means that we have to trade for one. Sounds like the situation before the TEX trade eh
by Trek on Oct 31, 2009 2:27 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And...
Doubt we will ever go back to the post-season without that big bat
by Trek on Oct 31, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we almost did this year.
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by justincredubil02 on Oct 31, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if
we would’ve had the lineup without FYF, Schafer and KJ all year, we would’ve won the WC, if not the East.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Oct 31, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if
we would’ve had the lineup without FYF, Schafer GA and KJ all year, we would’ve won the WC, if not the East.
/fixed
You aren’t the czar of typographic emphasis
by scstrato on Oct 31, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
having and injured Logan did hurt us a little bit, tho
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 31, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
GA wasn’t that bad for us. It’s not his fault Bobby was stupid and kept hitting him 5th.
"Are you tryin to say Jesus Christ can't hit a curveball?"
by mvhsbball on Nov 1, 2009 1:43 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With the exception of late June and the month of July, yes, he was indeed that bad. like, worst LF in the majors bad, with only those 5 or 6 weeks where he really did much of anything. Not to mention a bowling ball could’ve covered more ground in LF. Defensively he was beyond awful.
Can’t blame him for Bobby’s slotting, but that doesn’t explain or excuse his piss poor performance, regardless.
by J-Freak on Nov 1, 2009 1:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This!
via Fangraphs: Garrett Anderson performed to a -0.9 WAR for a total value of -$4.1 meeelllyunnn dollars.
In comparison, and somewhat skewed by his unexplainable performance in New York, Frenchy finished the year at 0.0 WAR for a total value of $0.0 meeelllyunnn dollars.
So while I can’t say that Frenchy was more valuable than GA this year, since neither were worth a penny, I can say that at least he wasn’t as costly.
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by scstrato on Nov 1, 2009 6:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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