Braves 2009 Season in Review: Nate McLouth
It's hard to describe the season of Atlanta Braves center fielder Nate McLouth. He wasn't bad, he wasn't really that good, he was just average. Of course, after the last few seasons of below average center fielders, it is nice to finally have one who is at least average. None of this is to say that McLouth doesn't have a lot of positives, and that those positives didn't show up in 2009, because they did.
In Nate McLouth, the Braves have a very versatile hitter and outfielder on their hands. He's a player who can hit for power and bat third or behind the cleanup hitter. He's a player who can use his speed on the base paths to help the Braves in many ways, but is he a lead-off hitter? It's easy to think that he can be a successful lead-off hitter with his speed, but for some reason he hasn't had success at the top of order when leading off an inning, but that's not to say he's a bad hitter when batting 1st in the order.
Here's the Rubix Cube; McLouth hit .204 last year and he hits .245 for his career when leading off an inning, but he hit .260 last year and he hits .260 for his career when batting 1st in the lineup. The poor batting average and on-base percentage when leading off innings tells me that he's not the best lead-off hitter, if a lead-off hitter is someone you want to get on base and score runs. He doesn't have enough power to be a three-hole hitter, so what batting order position McLouth seems best suited for is right between those two in the second spot in the order. That's where he can utilize his speed and power while not making either one of them a liability.
But he's better than just about any other Braves player at getting on base above his batting average, so he's likely still our best option to hit lead-off (he just needs to work on hitting when nobody's on base). Which means that he'll enter next season as the Braves lead-off hitter. I'd like to see him work on hitting for a higher average, which would help that on-base percentage more, but I'm not sure I want a higher average at the expense of his power.
At just 28-years old next season, McLouth should be entering his prime years. While the Bill James 2010 projection for McLouth (.263/.348/.449) doesn't see much deviation from his career norms (.260/.342/.454), he seems primed for a little more of a breakout from those career norms. We may have seen that this year if not for the injuries that slowed McLouth late in the season. I say, expect big things from Nate McLouth in 2010.
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It'll be interesting
to see how Nasty Nate plays the entire season on a contending team. I think it would be kinda hard to stay motivated playing in Pittsburg..
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by mvhsbball on Oct 26, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah. I wanna see what Nate can do in '10 also
Def. agree with u that we’ll see big things from him next year
I really wanna see this lineup
Diaz RF
McLouth CF
Chipper 3B
Power Bat LF
Escobar SS
McCann C
Laroche 1B
Prado 2B
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by nick9314 on Oct 26, 2009 7:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
McCann 6th?
No way that’ll happen. Hes a perfect #5 hitter.
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by mvhsbball on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You say that all the time
But why? What makes “a perfect #5 hitter” different from any other player?
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by esadb on Oct 26, 2009 7:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a perfect #5 hitter for the Braves. On the Yankees? probably not. But on the Braves? You bet.
Brian doesn’t have the power to be a #4 hitter, and isn’t a good enough hitter to hit 3rd yet (he’s getting close, tho.) He’s also a bit of a clunker on the bases, and I prefer my #3 hitters to be able to run a bit.
Where else are you gonna hit him? 6th? I guess you could, but then you’re wasting his talents and run-driving-in ability. So yes, he’s a perfect 5th hitter for us.
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by mvhsbball on Oct 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like him and Esco...
in 5/6 depending on righty lefty. Plus, McCann will hopefully be getting a day off per week, and that makes an impact on days when you take someone who you have been relying on for run production out of the lineup.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 27, 2009 9:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not say that it'd happen
I’d like to see it happen tho. Ok, another crazy idea. imagine batting McCann second.
Diaz
McCann
Chip
LF
McLouth
Escobar
Laroche
Prado
Really trippy idea, but I’m kinda liking it.
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by nick9314 on Oct 27, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was pleasantly surprised at how average McLouth was in CF. He should be able to hold down the position until Schafer is healthy.
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by Yakker on Oct 26, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe if he grows the hair back out. He used to KILL with the hair. Why is it that I feel like some of these guys may be flat-lining in TP’s cage?
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by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Oct 26, 2009 9:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope he's traded this off-season
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by PWHjort on Oct 26, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
I don’t know if your serious or not but I would like to see him traded as well. He was horrible against LHP, K’d far too much especially in key situations and he got caught stealing way too much.
by Jay212033 on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, I was serious.
Though I usually forget to hit the sarcasm button anyway.
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by PWHjort on Oct 27, 2009 12:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This acquisition was perfect for this team. He’s in his prime, he’s inexpensive, and he’s signed for a couple more years. Exactly the type of complimentary player the Braves need to think about being competitive starting next year.
Why the rush to trade him? And who’d fill that spot?
by hoboken_wood on Oct 26, 2009 10:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That was a reply to Hjort
Sorry for the fail.
by hoboken_wood on Oct 26, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Inexpensive for now
Probably not worth his contract if he’s playing a corner, though. Perhaps as soon as 2010 and certainly in 2011 and 2012 (if the option is picked up).
Just another LH-bat who doesn’t hit for much power. He’s hit .256/.343/.436/.779 the past ten months.
Schafer’s our future CF anyway, and I wouldn’t mind sticking Church in CF until Schafer’s ready. Church is probably better than McLouth in center defensively, anyway.
Basically, I think McLouth creates a ton of problems when Schafer’s ready. When teams realize that two fluky months at the beginning of 2008 don’t have predictive value (an opinion shared by scouts and statheads alike), he’s not going to fetch anything in a trade and you’re looking at paying $7 million for a 4th OF. I’d rather just trade him now, hopefully for a real power bat, and fix your biggest systematic weakness while maximizing value on a complementary piece. Heyward-(2 months Church, 4 months Schafer)-Power Hitting LF’er is a preferable alignment to Heyward-(2 months McLouth, 4 months Schafer)-(4 months McLouth, 2 months Diaz), if you ask me.
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by PWHjort on Oct 27, 2009 12:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree that he isn’t as good as he was hyped to be and his 2008 season but he is still an above average OF in my view even as a corner OF. And at worst in the future it could be Schafer in CF, Heyward in RF and McLouth and Diaz in LF McLouth against Righties and Diaz against Lefties, thats at worst McLouth bein platooned. Either way i like McLouth for a few more years on this team.
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by rockybull on Oct 27, 2009 1:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nate was a perfect addition to get some production production from CF midseason but he really stuggled against LHP since he came over hitting .192/.280/.298/.578 against them.
For the season he hit .269/.371/.462/.833 against RHP, numbers very good for a leadoff man. That got me thinking, don’t we have someone on the roster who absolutely hammers LHP and is just average vs RHP?
Let’s say both, for the sake of arguement, our two best ‘prospects’ in Heyward and a healthy Schafer are going to claim RF and CF next year. I then took a look at what a McLouth Diaz platoon in LF would look like, and I liked what I saw:
Here is what the stat line would loom like over 650 games using stats from last year weighing it 2/3 L and 1/3 R because we face RHP roughly 70% of the time:
.317/.402/.521/.923 23HR 21SB
That wouldn’t be a #4 cleanup hitter in LF but that would be one HELL of a leadoff hitter with excelent D in left.
by bbxxj on Oct 26, 2009 11:03 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Or
Why not just platoon Schafer and Diaz? When Schafer plays let him start in CF and play McLouth in LF that would be an awesome defensive Of with McLouth in LF, Schafer in CF and Heyward in RF.
by Jay212033 on Oct 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not a bad idea, sir.
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by mvhsbball on Oct 27, 2009 12:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is Schafer really a better CF than McLouth? Just wondering.
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by GwinnettBraves on Oct 27, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defensively?
Yes. Without a doubt. McLouth is, depending on what reasonable person you ask, anywhere from slightly below average to god awful in CF. Schafer has potential to be plus plus there.
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by PWHjort on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Most people around here will probably disagree but I’ve seen this kid several times in the minors and he was like superman out there and has a great arm. He was taking bad routes in the ML why I don’t know but he still has time to be an excellent CF. I would play him in CF for his arm alone because McLouth couldn’t throw out my grandmother.
by Jay212033 on Oct 27, 2009 1:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree as well. Jordan is fantastic in CF.
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by cbwilk on Oct 27, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's just stop this right now.
Let’s all just agree to never judge a player on 2-months performance, especially on defense, ever again. OK? Can we do that?
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by PWHjort on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Especially when his errors were mainly of the mental kind for which he didn’t have a track record of doing in the minors. You can just chalk that up with Bigs jitters.
He did display his cannon of an arm and crazy range to make up for when he did take a wrong first step. Sometimes he did look bad tracking balls down but many CFers wouldn’t have even gotten to those balls to be able to make a ‘mistake’ on the play.
by bbxxj on Oct 27, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll judge him by what I’ve seen of him, thanks.
by Lennox on Oct 27, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So you're telling me that by seeing a few games you're perfectly capable
Of forming a complete and accurate opinion of his value, potential, ability, etc…
Not buying it.
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by PWHjort on Oct 28, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes because seeing someone play CF every day for two months = “a few games”.
by Lennox on Oct 28, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ll throw out your grandmother. :)
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by mvhsbball on Oct 27, 2009 2:08 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
thank you
i was sincerely hoping someone was going to make that type of comment before I scrolled to the end of the thread…
by traphicg on Oct 27, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im always here to help!
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by mvhsbball on Oct 28, 2009 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why not both?
Let Matty play every day against LHP but since his bat and speed play everywhere in the linup we could let him spell McLouth in LF leading off, Schafer in CF (with McLouth shifting to CF and Matty in LF) hitting 8th or spelling Heyward sometimes in RF replacing whereever he would be hitting in the middle of the lineup.
This way each everyday OFer would get days off, the lineup would keep some consistancy, and Matty would get smash lefties all the time.
by bbxxj on Oct 27, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Matt diaz needs to be a starter
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by esadb on Oct 27, 2009 7:27 AM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I love the heck out of Matty but...
If he starts, 70% of the time we will have a .255/.349/.400/.749 LFer with 16HR power and a 3/1 K/BB ratio playing solid but not plus defense. Those numbers are good for a plus defensive MI but not unacceptable for a LFer.
I know its temping to start a guy because his overall numbers look good because of his 1.100+ OPS vsLHP… but you don’t wear a condom all the time just in case you are going to have sex and you don’t start a huge split player like Matty everyday just hoping he faces a lefty. Matty vs LHP and condoms during sex are good ideas, but most other times they are just a waste.
by bbxxj on Oct 27, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I butnotunacceptable for a LFer
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 27, 2009 10:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
reply fail
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 27, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
me dumb fail
Sorry, the coffee hasn’t quite kicked in yet.
by bbxxj on Oct 27, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But do you get the point I’m trying to make? Playing Matty every day would waste his silver bullet bat against LHP.
by bbxxj on Oct 27, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ya just making sure its clear
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 27, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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