World Series
I find myself in the odd position of rooting for the Phillies. The only way that could have happened is if they were playing the Yankees, and lo and behold... That said, I hope they either sweep them out so it's quick and painless, or they go 7 games and the Yankees lose on a game-winning walk to Eric Bruntlett by Mariano Rivera with the bases loaded. Definitely not a homer by Howard, lest Phillies fans get more encouragement.
How about y'all?
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The postseason is dead to me.
How many days till pitchers and catchers report?
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t care who wins I just hope its a sweep so we can get the offseason started.
by jack dein on Oct 26, 2009 1:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You mean there's still baseball going on?
I haven’t sat down and watched an entire live game since October 2nd.
Im ready for some hot stove. F*ck the Skankees and Sillies. I dont care who wins.
At the beginning of the playoffs, I said as long as it’s not Yankees/Phillies in the WS, i’ll watch…ha, FML.
President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!
by mvhsbball on Oct 26, 2009 1:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Yankees!
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Oct 26, 2009 1:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trip on an anthill. And take A-Fraud and Fark Teixeira with you.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'd rather the f'n Filthy's win?
http://www.capitolavenueclub.com/
by PWHjort on Oct 26, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather there be a massive power failure at Citizens Bank...
And both teams get beaten to a messy pulp by the ensuing Philly mob. But my hatred of the Yankees knows no bounds. We get a fresh shot at the filthies every season, but if there’s one thing I can’t stand it’s a bought-and-paid-for championship. The Bankees can DIAF as far as I’m concerned.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 2:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fark teixeira?
hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places
by esadb on Oct 26, 2009 3:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
lol
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Oct 26, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like it’s just you and me
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 26, 2009 6:28 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Me too.
I’d rather the Yankees win it, and make me right to all my buddies, as opposed to the Phillies winning a second consecutive world championship.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 26, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This. Plus, another Yankee win will hurt Pink Hat Nation more than you can imagine, and that’s not a bad thing.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 26, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
This is a fantastic point.
by get swoll yunel on Oct 26, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah i can careless about this WS i haven’t watched much of it anyway… but i guess if i HAD to pick i would say the Yanks, wouldn’t it be unbearable for the Phills fans to say we won 2 straight WS during a 2 straight East division champions and your Braves only won 1 during your streak… Oh man that will be about as unbearable as it gets and you know nothin we can do to say but take it sigh…
braves#1
by rockybull on Oct 26, 2009 1:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m rooting for snow. Lots and lots of snow.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Oct 26, 2009 1:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Forget that, I got a better idea- 7 bug games. Everyone stock up on OFF! stocks.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One problem. It hasn’t snowed hard here or Philly since last March.
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 26, 2009 6:29 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And in those two parks, with those two rosters...
HRs, lot and lots and lots of HRs. Hopefully several in the 9th inning, with the Phils in a close lead, and Brad Lidge on the mound.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 26, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It sucks that the Braves are still playing, but its still baseball. I havent missed a game. Besides, Game 1 Sabathia against Lee is going to be phenominal.
by Chipfan04 on Oct 26, 2009 9:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think it should be a great series as far as competitive games go, but i hope they kill each other. If i had to pick, i guess i would say the Yankees, just because i hate the Phillies that much.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 26, 2009 9:11 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, that’s pretty much how i feel
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Oct 26, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Only way this series could be worse is if it was Muts-Yankees. However, if the Mets had made the WS, I doubt they would have enough healthy players left to field a team by the end of it.
by Bmacbandwagon on Oct 26, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pick your poison folks...
IMO, I’d rather have the Yanks win. As much as I’d like for NY to not buy themselves another WS title, it would pale in comparison to the trolling we’d probably endure from Phils fans shoving in our face the fact that we only won the WS once in 14 tries and they did it twice in three years. So, let’s go…..Yankees?
Now if you will excuse me…I must purge and cleanse: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZN4HOoIIfo
"My God! Good news fans, the Braves are showing signs of life for the first time in weeks. As a matter of fact, they appear to be beating the crap out of each other."
by bravos1984 on Oct 26, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
IMO
If Phillies win, it makes our division look tougher…
If Yanks win, it gives them a tiny amount of justification for having such a huge payroll. Also, the Yanks have all those “fans” (nonbaseball fans) that think they are cool by cheering for the most popular team…
^Not saying that all Yanks fans are homos…I work with a former New Yorker, and he is a die hard, “true” fan of the Yanks and baseball in general…great guy…
"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 26, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, our division looks tougher, but this ain’t college football. The Braves won’t get extra points next year for having a tougher schedule than the Pirates.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Oct 26, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just my opinion...
I’d rather be known as playing in a tough division, rather than playing in a weak division (especially, when we aren’t going to any playoff games).
"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 26, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
false
all Yankees fans are indeed homos.
Scratch that.
Yankees fans dont even understand baseball nor do they root for the sport.
by traphicg on Oct 26, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
THIS
No true fan of the game, in its truest from, could possibly root for the Yankees. Allegiance to that team is equal to pissing on the whole freaking idea of baseball to begin with.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they just dont get it either – plenty of dipshit NYers honestly believe that being competitive means paying more for big names.
They arent even a team – just a group of All-Stars playing together. While they watch Steinbrenner jerk off Jeter.
Sorry. I REALLY hate the Yankees.
by traphicg on Oct 26, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’m going to have to disagree, there are plenty of intelligent Yankee fans. The Yankee fans who you talk about the retards who only follow the Yankees in the world series, not even the playoffs, just the world series. Those fans are retards who are less of Yankee fans than I am. Those are the fans who make the rest of the world hate the Yankees, and why most people have the misconception that Yankee fans are douchebag retards. ONLY the “fans” who follow for the world series are douchebags. Real Yankee fans aren’t and you really shouldn’t generalize based on those “fans”
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 26, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
An intelligent Yankee fan is like the smartest kid in the special needs class. Sure, they’re smarter than the rest of them, but they still have to wear velcro shoes.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Oct 26, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHA.. I was actually on the floor. As much as I just defended them, you are right, all yankee fans, real/true or not have that sense of special needs class. still, they get more crap than is deserved
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 26, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
maybe its not the high payroll that helps them so much afterall…
http://media.photobucket.com/image/anti%20yankee%20pictures/KappaJota/yankee.jpg
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 27, 2009 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Love this!
The Skankees at their finest. Fine job sir.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This just in:
I’m now a Red Sox fan.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/anti%20yankee%20pictures/RomansTen13/RedSoxFan.jpg?o=12
by FineHamAbounds on Oct 27, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is my favorite thread of date!
I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate the Bankees. I’m going over to my bud’s house (who is a quasi-legit Yankee fan) to watch game 1 tonight. I love nothing more than watching the Yankees fail.
by Mark Lempke on Oct 28, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree 100% with this. Unlike the members of Red Sox Pink Hat Nation, Yankees fans, while used to winning, demonstrate a love and passion for the game, and the history of the game. Sure, the Yanks outspend everyone else, but at least their fans acknowledge it. The knee-jerk bandwagoners in New England, on the other hand, think their team is the end all and be all underdog, and can’t fathom why people dislike them. Plus, their accents are more annoying.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 26, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All I know is, every year I dread the AAA series here in Norfolk when they play the Red Sox and Yankees affiliates. Those are the 2 most annoying series each year. Tons of ridiculous, no-nothing fans, yelling after guys like Shelly Duncan and Jed Lowrie like they’re Hall of Famers, and not just the fringe players they are.
"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com
by cbwilk on Oct 26, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whadya nuts??? Jed Lahwrie is da grahytest bollplayah since Nomah!!!!!1
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 26, 2009 7:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1. that was awesome. Any of you guys out on the east coast should try the Yankees AA. The only ones to brag about who’s good are the posters with current major leaguers. lots of fun
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 26, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've never
seen a fanbase complain about their team spending too much money. Only see fanbases of opposing teams complain about their spending. I don’t ever remember hearing anyone complaining when the Braves had the highest payroll in the National League and third overall in MLB.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 27, 2009 12:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Those figures aren’t really relevant to the Yankees’ level of spending. There is about as big a gap from the Yankees’ payroll to the Mets (the #2 guys iirc) as there is from the Mets to the lowest payroll in the game, probably Florida. The Yankees are in a whole different league from everyone else and then some. Even having the highest payroll in the NL, compared to the Yankees, Is like a student saying he has 3.99 GPA, but he’s not top of his class because some other guy who didn’t even try somehow came out with a 5.90. At that point, why even try? When you’re so outmatched you don’t have a snowball’s chance in hell of keeping up it takes all the fun out of trying to begin with. It’s no wonder there are 29 teams’ worth of fans that absolutely despise what the Yankees are doing to the game.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure, what you were getting at, but my point was how hollow the Sawx fans complaints sound when they piss and moan about how much the Yankees spend. A $120M payroll does not make you an underdog, even if a team you play 19 times a year spends $200M.
It’s like the douchebag who b*tches about how crappy his neighbor is for his gas-guzzling Hummer H3 and then expects to get props from the greenies for his Land Rover.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
Must’ve hit the wrong reply button, but I was more in agreement with your prior remarks. I’m just fascinated by how many people hate the Yankees for their spending ways, it’s not like they’re being sneaky about it.
To me, it just shows that the Steinbrenners care about winning, and will spend whatever it takes to best make it happen, even if it is unfair. And if it were truly unfair, the Yankees should have a hell of a lot more than 26 titles in the over 100 year lineage of baseball.
As far as I’m concerned, every good story needs a villain, and as long as the Yankees spend billions, they set themselves up to play the role fine. Doesn’t it feel good to see the Marlins or he Dbacks defeat them in the World Series? Doesn’t it feel good when teams like the A’s, Rays, or Twins win games/series against the Yankees?
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 27, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just think it takes away from the game…the whole aspect of prospects, developing players, team chemistry, etc…i mean who needs all that when you can just a couple of veteran allstars every year..
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 27, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Home grown talent"
Posada = McCann
Cano = Prado/Johnson
Jeter = Chipper
Chamberlain = Hanson
M.Cabrera/Gardner = Escobar
Pettite = LaRoche
Rivera = ??
Seems about even to me.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's true
because Brian Cashman stepped in and is playing Billy Beane style money-ball… Except with Money! Lots of it. It means that the Yankees can more than just cover a bad draft choice, or a prospect that doesn’t pan out. In fact, they can go ahead and can the prospect, buy a superstar…
That is what makes the Yankees so fierce this year… and points out some of the inequities.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s fair. Also, the fact that the Yankees can keep many of their stars through their free agency years is a function of the payroll.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I mean, the Braves aren’t exactly a poor team, but they couldn’t hold onto Furcal either (first example that popped into my head)… That wouldn’t have been a problem with the Yankees ability to spend.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah but if they have a gap they don’t have players like a kasey kotchman or someone else, they’ll just out and sign an allstar free agent, no big deal.
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 27, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Variety is what makes sport great
If every team operated the same way, baseball would get pretty boring real quick. And not that any of us would really care, but those with tenure and longevity wouldn’t really make nearly as much as they do today, which does effect them to some degree, because they’re just men trying to look out for their futures too.
Counterpoint is that the Yankee-way adds to the game in a way that you seem to think it takes away. It creates these expensive, fantasy rosters, but yet throughout the last 6-7 years, the wallet has opened up more and more and more, but there are still no titles to show for it.
There is no “way” that is perfect due to the nature of baseball, and as Billy Beane said it best, in the end, it’s still just a crap shoot.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 27, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i get what your saying..but its just too much fun hating them and talking bad about them
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 27, 2009 4:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh sure
but the Yankees, Red Sox, and other such teams (I only pick on the Yankees because they are far and away the biggest culprits) certainly can tip the odds more in their favor, than say, the Blue Jays. Lets look at that: the Jays won 90 games 5 (?) seasons in a row without a single day in the post season. They played well, they made relatively sounds decisions as evidenced from their annual success, but still nothing to show for it. Baseball in Toronto is now floundering more than ever. It is a perfect example of how the current system is failing.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jays
The Jays haven’t won 90 games since 1993. Think you’re talking about 2006-2008, where the Jays went:
2008: 86-76
2007: 83-79
2006: 87-75
Not exactly a huge miscarriage of justice that those teams didn’t make the playoffs.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
but those were good, competetive times that never sniffed the playoffs… in fact never got about 3rd place from what I recall.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 28, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nitpick
I think it was 2006, but I believe they overtook Boston on the last day of the season to take second place. Sure, they still missed the playoffs, but it was still another well over .500 season.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 28, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
no, its good. I just can’t remember these things as well as I probably should, and don’t feel like taking the time to look them up. My point, I feel, remains valid.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 28, 2009 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see what you're saying
There’s something to be said about staying within striking distance like the Jays are doing. Baseball’s interesting like that. Sometimes 83 wins is enough to take you to the promised land (2006 Cards), and then sometimes a team that spends less than everyone else has all the parts working at the right time, and goes far (2008 Rays).
Toronto is trying their best to remain competitive, and are probably unfortunately in the wrong division with their given results. In the end, they’re just mostly unlucky, with injuries, and a lot of free-agent signings that just didn’t pan out.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 28, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Having differing philosophies is going to happen anyway, but there needs to be measures taken by MLB to level the playing field in terms of how much you can buy. Everyone gets picks in the draft, everyone has farm systems where they develop players and try to churn out viable major leaguers, but not everyone can run out and spend a half billion in one offseason on three players. It’s like trying to play a big game of monopoly, but one guy gets to start the game with hotels on 1/3 of the properties.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
titles
the Yankees have 26 and the closest runner up is St. Louis with like 13 or 14 or something. Most clubs have either ZERO or ONE!!!!
So, 26, while is a relatively small number, is a HUGE number, relatively.
by traphicg on Oct 27, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The vast majority of those WS titles were before most of us were born. Frankly, I don’t really care that the Yanks dominated from 1949-1964, going to 14 WS and winning 9.
The Yankees have won 6 titles (so far) in the 40 seasons since 1970. The A’s have won 4, and the Red have won 3. Not exactly a huge discrepancy, in my book.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Money doesn't buy titles.
Money just greatly increases your chances of making the playoffs.
by FineHamAbounds on Oct 27, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The defense submits the 1990s Yankees
And rests their case.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 4:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The 1990’s Yankees made the playoffs more than they won the WS… and I’d be interested to see what the Mets and Red Sox would have to say on this issue.
by FineHamAbounds on Oct 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They won four titles- 96, 98, 99, and 2000. They didn’t win every title in the decade, no, but come on- what other team has ever gone 4-5, including three straight? Buying a championship, like any strategy, is not infallible. But the evidence is staggering that it worked better than everybody else’s plan, which is just sickening. Takes the heart and soul out of the game.
The Red Sox won twice in a span of 4 years by spending about $80 million less per year than the Yankees, which proves massive spending is not the ONLY way to build a strong team, but the Yanks have still made the playoffs every year this decade except last year, which is four chances more than Boston got. They spend their way to the postseason virtually every year. Shrink their payroll- take away Burnett, CC and Tex last offseason- and see how well their chances of getting in again go. For sake of argument, split Tex and CC between Anaheim and Boston, I don’t care which goes where, and (even though I was, and still would be, staunchly against adding him) assume the Braves would have gotten Burnett instead of losing him to NY. Then see how things play out when the talent gets spread around more and the Yankees have to fight and scrap their way to victory just like everybody else.
And don’t bring the Mets into this- they have an inability to bring in FO personnel who know what the hell they’re doing. Steve Phillips was one of the worst ever years ago, and Omar Minaya threw $36 at Oliver Perez last year. They spend a ton of money like retard monkeys would, not by investing in the top talent, so they’re a bit of a nonfactor. Their fans have every reason to be pissed at them for not knowing what they’re doing and putting a crappy product on the field, but the Mets’ actions aren’t harming the game the way Yankees’ are.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or not...
see Angelos’ Orioles, and the current Mets.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree
but its the neighbor in the shack driving a Geo Metro that is really getting screwed…
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you guys are missing it....
Every fan of the NL East should be rooting for the Phillies players to have huge games and gaudy stats.
Each Phillie that does that well will certainly be picked up BY the Skankees this offseason, thus ensuring the Braves trip to the top of the East in 2010.
by traphicg on Oct 26, 2009 1:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice try
but that strong core of Phillies? None of em are free agents. So good luck with that. We’ll be seeing Rollins, Utley, Werth, and Ryan “JUST WALK HIM ALREADY” Howard again next year.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
welp....
got your agreement on one of my posts today…. cant win ’em all…..
After Manny and JD Drew’s antics in the past few years I cant even rely on someone “not being a free agent” as anything relevant. These fuckers do whatever they want. Thanks Boras!
by traphicg on Oct 26, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This might be my favorite comment on TC ever…
"Hey Fat Kid...the monster is right behind you! RUNNNN!!" -The Host
by bwellnjonesco on Oct 26, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would have been nice to see the Angels make it to the WS…that’s about the only team besides ours I could root on at this point
"When life gives you lemons, just say 'F*ck the lemons,' and bail."
by Bravely going forward on Oct 26, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God, Don't even want to watch this one
I hate them both, though to be fair I hate the Phillies less. But for practical purposes, as a Braves fan, I can’t want the Phillies to get the extra bump that a World Series victory will bring them. I don’t want either to win, but if it is the Yankees the advantage is that at least baseball will have to take a closer look at the inequity in payroll… Not saying they should cap it, but it certainly can’t be ignored if the Yankees win.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 26, 2009 5:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
i AM saying they should cap it. And have been for years. And apparently there’s a couple of GMs (notably Melvin in Milwaukee) who seem to be warming to the idea as well.
My hatred for the Yankees would be soothed if a salary cap were implemented and for once EVERY team had to rely on scouting, statistical analysis, and good ol’ fashioned players who capitalize on their talent to help the team rather than to collect every possible penny, rather than one team getting to kick back and outspend several possible combinations of other teams’ payrolls put together. Plus, it would warm my heart to see all the Yankee “fans” getting pissed off when they realize they won’t be allowed to cheat and buy more championships.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's valid
I don’t think it will ever happen… the Players union would have a shit-fit.
Personally, I don’t know what they answer is, but the inequities are pretty bad. The Yankees are clearly the worst offenders, but it is notable that 5 of the top 6 payrolls in baseball made it to October this season, the 6th being the Mets. The Mets may well have made the post-season were it not for a LOT of injuries. Sure, the Tampa Bay Rays made it last year, but that was like catching lightning in a bottle. The Braves had their nice run, but didn’t everyone notice that once Ted sold the team to AOL and the payroll started shrinking that suddenly the Braves weren’t the same team?
I just hope that eventually baseball looks at the problem…
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so too
But not in Bud Selig’s tenure. Ol’ Captain Do-Nothing won’t lift a finger to fix this problem. He’s kept mum on the steroids issue, and won’t even comment on the rash of poor postseason umpiring. If he won’t take those obvious opportunities to be hero, step up and protect the integrity of the game, I really don’t see him coming within a few light years of daring to look at the money problem. The sooner he finally kicks or, God willing, actually walks away from the game the better for baseball.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meant to say kicks it. That sentence doesn’t really make sense the way I wrote it… sry
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is true
Selig is a piece of shit. Really spineless…, hope he retires soon because baseball won’t be fixed under his tenure…
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
remember the tie-game ASG?
Ol’ Buddy was just sitting there like Alfred E. Newman – “Duhh…. what?? Why, me worry??”
by traphicg on Oct 27, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I believe the scholarly term for Selig...
is Dipshittius Maximus.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree with your point.
but the top payrolls are..
1. yankees
2. mets
3. cubs
4. red sox
5. tigers
6. angels
3 out of 6 made the playoffs
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 27, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake
But my point does remain.
Also, Yankees payroll is absolutely ridulous. $50 million over the next team. More than the Braves and Dodgers combined. More than the payrolls of the Marlins, Pads, Nats, and Pirates combined. Something all 4 of those teams have in common? None of them sniffed the playoffs this year or any year in the past 5. Sure, the Marlins seem to do the impossible once every 6 or so years, but those seasons are always capped off with a fire-sale.
Not that the Braves aren’t completely helpless. They are 11th in payroll (notable with less than half the Yankees payroll). But there is some serious inequity that needs to be addressed.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not that the Braves *are completely helpless… don’t know how that happened.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s true that the Yankees outspend everyone by far, but they also pay back a ton in luxury taxes. We don’t have 2009 figures yet, but in 2008, the Yanks wrote a big fat $27M check to everyone else. It will be even higher in 2009. In the six seasons it’s existed, the Yanks have paid out $150M in luxury taxes.
Before people start calling for salary caps, let’s see what clubs that cry poverty are doing with that money.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are correct on that as well
I think that there has to be a minimum salary as well. Lots of club ownerships won’t invest in their teams despite making plenty of revenue…
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There are problems with salary floors, too. For example, if it only applies to the major league payroll, cost-conscious (euphemisum alert) owners will simply pull money from other places, such as minor league development and international scouting.
IMO, the true solution is to make clubs post audited financials on mlb.com for all the world to see, including funds channeled to/from subs and affiliates.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 3:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But how does that actually solve the inequity
Sure, it may guilt some of the owners of the lower tier teams to spend their money instead of making money on their miserable ball clubs, but the wealthier clubs still win…
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 27, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, perhaps not. At the very least, we would be able to have a more informed discussion. At best, it gives fans the ability to lobby (directly or indirectly) their teams to be more competitive.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A rule that required Luxury Tax/Revenue Sharing to be spent on the team and not just go to line the owner’s pockets might help here.
by FineHamAbounds on Oct 27, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bullshit point
It doesn’t matter if you dole out a measly $27M to divvy up to the other teams when you routinely outspend the next wealthiest team by $60-80M. That luxury tax is a joke, a pittance compared to how much more than all the other teams they spend.
The luxury tax solves nothing, and is nothing more than a way for Bud to feel all smug and act liked he fixed something even though we all know that rather than fix anything he’s actually sitting around with his thumb up his ass.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure I understand your argument.
Yes, the Yankees outspend everyone else by at least $75M. Yes, they also pay another $30M on top of that in luxury taxes. If they have the revenue to do so (they do), still can manage to turn a profit (they can), and don’t make a mockery of the sport by winning the AL East and WS every year (they don’t), I don’t see the problem.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Allow me to clarify my argument
No one gives two shits if they dole out $27M to be divvied up by 29 teams. That’s no consolation for teams that have no hope of keeping pace with their outrageous spending, especially when said outrageous spending grossly outweighs what they’re being taxed. If teh numbers were reversed, if they decided to outspend everybody by $27M but had to really hurt themselves and dole out $80M for the privilege of doing so I’d bet the farm they’d think twice about trying to outspend everybody by such egregious amounts. But even then, $80M divided 29 ways doesn’t do jack shit to equalize the playing field, which was supposedly the entire point of revenue sharing to begin with.
If anything, the fact that the Yankees’ payrolls have gotten HIGHER since revenue sharing was implemented, the fact that they scoffed at the rule, cut the tax check and flagrantly outspent everybody anyway, should do two things: 1, Piss off the little guys, not appease them. They ought to be insulted that even when the league takes action, however insignificant it may actually be, the Yankees spit in the face of the measure and continue their ways anyway, and 2, it should prove to MLB that they’re going to have to do a lot better than that to restore “competitive balance.” The current plan is an insult to 29 teams, and to a lesser extent the fans of these teams who have to live with the fact that their respective teams are at a perpetual disadvantage because no one has the balls to stand up to the rich kid on the block.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
You’re mixing/confusing two concepts, the luxury tax (which is essentially a soft salary cap) and revenue sharing. If I had the time, I’d explain the difference, but I’m jammed, so you may just want to read up on it a little.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A meaningless soft salary cap
Unless the penalty imposed is actually substantial enough to curve the behavior for which one has to pay the tax. When the culprit actually increases the undesired behavior while writing off the tax like it’s nothing, it’s time for either a much stronger tax or, much more likely, A BETTER EFFING SYSTEM.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The current plan is an insult to 29 teams, and to a lesser extent the fans of these teams who have to live with the fact that their respective teams are at a perpetual disadvantage because no one has the balls to stand up to the rich kid on the block.
Genius. (wipes away the tears). Sheer genius..
'Sugar ain't poison, but sugar will kill you. Too much of a good thing. Maybe not so sweet.'
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Oct 27, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
In fact, it completely misses the point. Not only do the Yankees bring in more revenue for MLB than virtually all other teams combined, they actually have to share almost $100M a year with the other teams (between the luxury tax and revenue sharing).
In fact, in 2007 and 2008, the Yankees actually lost money, according to their financials. (This may change with the new stadium in 2009.) Contrast this with the Marlins, whose 2008 revenue sharing check ($25M) was actually higher than their 2008 payroll ($22M).
I guess it’s not quite as surprising why no one “stands up” to the rich kid on the block when you know the facts.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 28, 2009 1:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boo hoo they lost money
It’s their own damn fault. They could’ve avoided that if they didn’t like being the rich kid on the block. Think about it- if they spent equal to the mets, the next guys down, that’s what, $70 million in payroll alone they cut from the bottom line? Plus all the tax and revenue sharing money they would not thus have to give up for spending so much on the payroll? If they spent themselves into the red it’s their own doing so they can cry me a river.
And the last time I checked, they’re supposed to be worth better than a billion dollars. I’m sure they’ll fine.
I’m sure there’s something to be said for Loria giving the Marlins the Major League routine, and by that I mean it’s not exactly a respectable business practice I’ll give you that. But given a choice between the two, I’d take what he’s doing over what the Yanks are doing everyday of the week and twice on Sunday for three reasons- he’s not driving up the prices of the most talented free agents, hogging the big-name talent or creating such a gap between his spending and everyone else’s that the rest of the league can’t keep up. MLB owners have to approve the sales of teams, maybe next time they’ll vet the purchaser better and not let anymore slimeballs like Loria run teams just to pad their pockets. At the end of the day, an owner who lowballs his payroll hurts his own team the most, but the owner that pisses thousand dollars bills all over the place and leaves the rest of the league in his dust eliminates any chance that those other teams have to get a fair shot at competing.
And thanks for bringing up the Marlins payroll- the fact that the Yankees will pay their roiding third baseman more than it takes to pay an entire team just serves to prove my point. They are so far, so MASSIVELY far ahead of everyone in payroll that it creates a competitive imbalance and an inability of other teams to keep up with them on the field. Period. No amount of rationalizing will detract from the fact that the Yankees are buying a championship, while everyone else has to sit back and wonder what could have been if they had similar resources.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 2:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed, very well said…the yankees payrolls is 5 times that of the marlins. 5 times! 3 out of 4 of the highest paid players are on the yankees. the los angeles dodgers who have a fairly high payroll, doesn’t even have half the payroll the yankees do. how is that fair in any way!? there is simply no justification to what the yankees are doing. its harming the game and anyone who goes to play for the fucking yankees just for the check is a mindless idiot who never gave a shit about the game in the first place….
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 28, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No amount of rationalizing will detract from the fact that the Yankees are buying a championship, while everyone else has to sit back and wonder what could have been if they had similar resources.
I think this is the key statement.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 28, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also in response to the following statement
No amount of rationalizing will detract from the fact that the Yankees are buying a championship, while everyone else has to sit back and wonder what could have been if they had similar resources.
I’m curious if these GMs and owners really are wondering what they would do with similar resources, if they ever actually think to try and see for themselves?
That’s what I admire about the Steinbrenners. They don’t wonder, they do. That’s what I liked about Ted Turner running the Braves. Sure, there’s something admirable about teams that figure out ways to win without money, like a game of chess, but if it’s not against the rules to swap all your pawns for queens at the cost of some money, why not do it?
There are two entities fingers could be pointed at:
1. Bud Selig – if he’s tired of hearing this argument, he should incorporate a cap. But he’s probably to busy trying to figure out his own immense wealth to care lately. We all know he’s not the sharpest tool in the shed; what would anyone expect from a former used-car salesman? But he’s somehow the Commish, until further notice, so we’re stuck with him and his idiocy.
2. The owners – okay, I’m aware that not every owner/ownership group has as much money as the Steinbrenners may, but take the Braves with Liberty Media for example. Liberty’s got money – loads of it. Obviously it’s easy for me to say, because it’s not my money, but I’m wondering why they feel the need to constrain the Braves’ payroll, when they’d probably be capable of covering a payroll on par with at least the Red Sox. The Yankees, IMO are an example of heavy investments, with heavier return. I’ve said it many times here, but winning is the best PR. Winning gets you the fairweather fans on top of the existing fans. Winning gets you on television, which gets you fans, which sells you merchandise. And it’s not against the rules to break the bank to increase your chances to win.
I agree with your notion that a cap might be necessary to combat the inequities in the financial game, but until one is ever instituted, the Yankees are the only team with owners with enough guts to exploit it, and as far as I’m concerned, I don’t blame them one bit, nor do I dislike them for doing it.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 28, 2009 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all fair
My ill sentiments toward the Yankees mostly stem from being at the 1999 World Series, Game 4, in Yankee Stadium….
But it is unfair to blame the Steinbrenner’s for exploiting the system to their advantage. Nothing wrong with it, technically. (though, to take my previously worded argument, there was nothing “wrong” with taking steroids before 2005 either, but I digress)…
As for Liberty Media, they pony up the cash to put up a good team every year. More than AOL ever did. Could they do more, sure. But I can’t complain too much, at least for now.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 28, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t have room to try analyze every team’s situation, so I’ll stick to the homefront on this one- but you can bet your boots that everybody in our organization, from the top to the bottom, is wondering what could have been if we’d had the resources to not have to settle for GA last offseason. Yes we managed to fix the pitching, but we basically replaced old expensive pitching with new expensive pitching- that is, the money that enabled us to trade for Javy and sign Lowe was the result of Smoltz, Hampton, etc. all coming off the books at once, not some miraculous increase in payroll. But if we actually had more resources and could have plugged that hole in our offense, how different might the final week have been? Even assuming circumstances dictated we would have still wound up with GA last year, don’t you think they’re wondering what could be next year if they thought they actually had a case to make in the Matt Holliday sweepstakes? A power-hitting LF is the only thing we’ve really said we’re gunning for, except maybe trying to find some arms for the bullpen, so it would be nice to know that to fill that one hole we actually had some sort of shot, some hope, of having access to a talented guy like Holliday, or even Bay for that matter.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Off the top of my head, the only other option to Anderson that the Braves could have had, provided they weren’t financially handcuffed, was Bobby Abreu. And if the Braves were to get him, and he provided the same season he provided for the Angels, I think a lot of people would have been pleased, not to mention whatever rub he could have on the younger guys about plate discipline.
If Liberty were willing to open up the wallets some, the Braves could no doubt be players in the Holliday sweepstakes this off-season. He’d be an investment I think might be worth it, considering the offensive inconsistencies, since Holliday is generally a pretty consistent offensive force in his own right. But the fact is, Liberty will likely not be willing to budge on their finances, because of whatever imaginary margins, economic fluctuation, or whatever excuse they can spout to try to get maximum value for as little spent as possible.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 28, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh how quickly we forget about Dunn
There is, of course, a distinct possibility that he would not have been considerd due to the fact that we typically focus on defense to help the pitchers, but at $10M a year his presence behind Chipper would have done wonders had we not been too strapped to pursue him.
Not that Abreu would have been a poor choice, and a better leadoff man than McLouth. I’m not sure which, of Dunn or Abreu, would have had a bigger overall impact on the team’s total offensive output.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or Sabathia...
instead of Lowe. Then trade for Holliday from the Rockies, knowing you can pay him when the time comes. Or actually making it a realistic proposition to resign Tex instead of spending time with Kotchman, or even having to make the move for Tex cause I doubt we’d have gone with Wilson/Thorman in 07.
The idea that the Yankees luxury tax is a problem, when it’s the equivalent of one player for them total (and less than a player for everyone else at under $1 mil per team), is a joke. Either make an NBA style dollar for dollar tax so that it becomes a significant detriment to go over or just let the Yankees by a post season trip every year.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 29, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In regards to your first point
A steroid – enhanced Barry Bonds brought more revenue than a clean one, or a clean Chipper Jones, but which helped the game more? In fact, Barry Bonds’ juicing almost irreparably harmed the game as a whole. My point is that, even if something brings in revenue, it doesn’t mean it is good for the game as a whole.
The Yankees payroll is like a player on steroids in that way. The fact is that superstars like Sabathia, Texeira, Jeter, and A-Rod are few and far between (in A-Rod’s case, almost one of a kind). Most teams are lucky to have one such player. But like a juiced athlete, they have a competetive advantage in that they buy any number of those players.
Does it work every time. Certainly not. Just like plenty of ballplayers took roids in that era and never reached even star level status, the Yankees will not always win the World Series, and some years may not even make the playoffs for one reason or another. But it certainly helps, and most of the time, as we have seen over the past 2 decades, it will work.
I am not saying I know the solution to this problem. Salary caps seem, to quote an un-named famous person whom I happen to admire (don’t want to bring other things into a baseball discussion), taking a hatchet to the problem when a scalpel is needed. Clearly, the problem is at both ends of the spectrum. Loria is the opposite problem of the Steinbrenners – he won’t put up the money for a competetive team even when given the resources to do so, not to mention the resources already at his disposal. But clearly something needs to be done.
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 28, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait a second...
Everyone on this thread defending Steinbrenner and the Bankees is just being sarcastic, right?
For real?
People dont ACTUALLY think the Skankees are a respectable ballclub. Either devil’s advocating or closet NYers.
by traphicg on Oct 28, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go yanks!
this is the one match-up i didn’t want to see, but since it’s come to this… well. it would be an awful thing if the phillies won 2 in a row.
it’s sort of fun rooting for other teams as long as the choice is clear, which for me it is — they’re playing the phillies. starting wednesday it’s gonna be “hey, forget about it.”
by brndn on Oct 26, 2009 5:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
The Yankees have amassed (thanks Georgie’s pocketbook) a phenomenal collection of talented players. A-Rod, Teix, Sabathia, Burnett, Mo Rivera, Jeter…the list goes on and on. While some of these guys may be complete douches, they are hellaciously good at baseball. Put aside how they all ended up playing in the Bronx and enjoy the sheer awesomeness of this team.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 26, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bollocks
This tells you all you need to know about the Skankees:
http://www.flipflopflyin.com/flipflopflyball/info-ticketprices.html
Least accessible pricing structure in the game. God, how they must love their fans…
The Yankees are like the 27-year-old natural-big-tittied whore in the big-name escort service. Sure she’s hot, but godDAMN- her presence only serves to remind you how you can’t afford access and how little you matter to the people with the money. It’s amazing how they piss on their own fans and still HAVE fans.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…
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Wait, what were we talking about again?
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 26, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yankee finances
And how they’re a travesty both to the game in general and to the Yanks’ own fans.
by J-Freak on Oct 26, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, it really doesn’t bother me. The Yankees have paid $150M in luxury taxes over the last 6 seasons to have…at most…one World Series ring. They rape their fans with high ticket prices and a premium to watch their games on TV, which people willingly pay. Why shouldn’t the team spend that money on their product?
I don’t have the actual numbers, but I’d bet that the Yankees generate more revenue than any other club in MLB, by far. They spend more of it too, which seems logical to me. And on top of that they have to write $30M checks to the rest of the league each year, only to watch other owners pocket the money and still complain how the Yanks are ruining baseball. Part of me honestly feels a little sorry for them.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Yankees don't mind the luxury tax, I'm sure.
There needs to be a salary cap. The Yankees drive up the cost of EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE GAME. Players all around the league ask for more money because Yankee players are getting a ton. If there was a salary cap, every player would have to settle for less money, which, let’s face it, would be good for baseball.
If players make significantly less money, baseball for fans becomes more affordable, while most clubs bring in more revenue.
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Oct 27, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contrary to that popular belief
The Yankees only drive up the cost of the particular players that they need. And once they don’t need the position filled anymore, the market is dictated by the other teams willing to spend and bid.
All the years that Jeter was locked up, there was no inane gouging of shortstops in the league, because the Yankees already had a shortstop, and no other team in MLB was willing to pay Yankee-money for a shortstop. And at that point, for all these aspiring free-agent shortstops, it was accept less, or don’t play and make zero.
First basemen, with perhaps the exception of Albert Pujols, probably won’t see the money that Mark Teixeira signed for. You think Prince Fielder is going to warrant $180mil? Of course not. There’s no “fine, i’ll go to the Yankees” in this situation, because they’ve already got a first baseman.
I guess I just see it differently than everyone else. When the Yankees lock up veteran all-stars, this opens the doors for lots of promising young talent out there, and I guess to me, there’s nothing better than see the emergence of a bright young star, contributing to his team that spends a great deal less than the Yankees. But I don’t really see anything wrong with it.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 27, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
excellent point!
i enjoy watching the yankees (not rooting, watching) during the regular season and when people ask me why — the answer is reflected in what you have explained: fair or not, they’re just so damn talented.
by brndn on Oct 26, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly
I couldn’t help but feel a little happy for A-Rod when the Yankees won the pennant. Finally, after years and years of being the best player in the league (sorry, Albert), the dude finally gets to go to a World Series. It’s a good day for baseball.
If Albert played in the AFL, they’d have to rename it the AZ/NM Fall League, based on where his homers landed.
by Yakker on Oct 27, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
I’d root for any team other then Phills right now. I couldn’t take it if they won two in a row.
by nikeshox04 on Oct 26, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Go Yanks" (cringes)
That’s so lame that the games don’t start at 7. I mean, go “7:37” if you have to… Way to attract new fans Bud, you ancient retard.
'Sugar ain't poison, but sugar will kill you. Too much of a good thing. Maybe not so sweet.'
(self-appointed President of Yunel's Cartel~~~)
by Chief Noc-A-Homa on Oct 26, 2009 7:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
look, to be honest you don’t have to root for the Yankees. You could just root against the Phillies and hope that they loose, regardless of who they play. Instead of “Go Yankees” its “Lets beat up on the Phillies!”
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 26, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Short poem of how I feel
It kills me to say
Yankees all the way
The two teams I hate the most
Are on their way to be able to boast
Luckily, only one of them can win
And here’s to it not being the team with Durbin
Thinking of these two teams makes me sick
Hopefully they can win with class
Not booing the other team and acting like dicks
Cuz i can’t respect with that type of winner, they can kiss my ass
MATT DIAZ IS THE F**K*NG MAN.
They made me change my signature...
by nick9314 on Oct 26, 2009 7:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
gold
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 26, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bruntlett isn't even on the !@#ing roster
He was left off in favor of Cairo I thought
by RehabReject on Oct 27, 2009 7:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
109 Days
SPRING TRAINING!!!
N. Tyler Ayers
by TMAC85 on Oct 27, 2009 7:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Go Yankees. I’m used to their gloating, so no big deal.
As far as the Phillies – It’s going to bad enough with the fact they returned to the WS again to endure the smug on their faces next year – it will be unbearable if they actually win again.
I’ve been rooting for the AL since the Dodgers/Phillies series.
by NCChopper on Oct 27, 2009 12:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...GOOOOOO
to hell, Phillies and Yankees!
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Oct 27, 2009 5:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I quit caring about baseball in 2009 after the final out of the Braves-Nationals game on October 4.
by John Holton on Oct 27, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going to have to root for the yanks
I don’t think the phillies deserve any world series at all and I will never root for them
by southman on Oct 27, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here's what I don't get
why are you guys not going to watch the world series just because it is Yankees/Phillies. Are none of you just pure baseball fans that you can’t watch the World Series?!? Thats just a bit despicable. Thank god this blog wasn’t around in 2000 for Yankees/Mets. I’m just a little surprised by some of you.
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 27, 2009 10:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Glad you bring that up...
As you might have derived from my numerous comments above, it is precisely because I am a fan of the game, in its purest form, that I will not watch the Yankees vie for a title. Watching the Yankees is not fun, it is not rewarding, and it makes me nauseous. If they were playing just about anybody else, I would root for that team. As it stands, there’s no good guy in the fight. It’s like watching Darth Vader fight the Joker. Sure, one has to lose, but do you really want the other guy to win? Therefore, the Series has no redemptive value to me as a baseball fan, and I will pass this year. Maybe next year the Skankees will get what they deserve and get knocked out before making it to the WS, and that will remove the whole dilemma. It all hinges on the Yankees for me- any of the other 13 AL teams wins the berth, I just root against the Phillies.
by J-Freak on Oct 27, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
so you are telling me that you have so much hatred for the yankees because they have an astronomical payroll that you cant put that aside and watch a baseball game as a fan and hope for a good game just to see the lasts of baseball for the dead of winter? wow. thats some hatred. you say
no redemptive value, but how is the fact that there is no baseball for 4 months not enough to just sit and hope for a good game regardless of who wins. You are basically saying you are a 1000% pure baseball fan, as long as it doesn’t involve the Yankees. Doesn’t make sense to me
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 27, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
Any self-respecting nerd would have to vie for Vader over the Joker. At least Vader has some set of morals to apply unto his reign, where as the Joker just wants to screw with the world for the sake of screwing around.
Otherwise, you have some strong convictions to why you’re not going to watch the series, and I for one can see, you’re not going to budge upon it. But I must say that I will watch the series, because I am fan of the game. Yankees or whomever, as I’ve said several times, all good stories need a villain, and that is the Phillies for me. Anything to see the villain get thwarted, and I’ll be happy, even if it is the Yankees. I’ve got no beef with them; in fact, I think some of their guys are alright. Sabathia’s a good guy, Teixeira might be a robot, but he’s never done anything wrong. And he might occasionally be caught on camera spitting on the baseball, but Mariano Rivera has been nothing but a pillar of class throughout his entire career.
And the best part is, there really is no clear-cut favorite in this series – both play in launching pads, both have potentially explosive offensives, both have dynamite 1-2 pitching. This kind of evenly matched match-up, regardless of the dollar signs, is definitely worth watching, IMO.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 27, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually I’d take Vader over the Joker as well, because in the end there was still good in him, but being the Batman nerd that I am I am fully aware of the Joker’s unredeemable nature as a force of pure chaos and corruption. Makes for some damn cool stories but not a guy I’d want to win so much as a spitting contest. The metaphor served its purpose though.
I had a really good reply typed out to GoBravesNY’s reply up there, but I guess I hit preview instead of post. I’ll never recapture the whole thing, but it boils down to this- he’s misconstrued me just a bit. it’s not that I’m a fan as long as the Yankees aren’t involved, because I watched the first two rounds and pulled for the Twins and Angels, but in this case I as a Braves fan can not find it within me to hope for a Phillies win, but their opponent being the Yankees leaves me with no good guy to root for, and watching purely for technical reason rather than putting my heart in it one way or another seems so… soulless. It sucks that this particular series just happens to be the WORLD series, but when it comes to a pick-your-poison scenario, even a big one, I’ll choose not to partake and not get poisoned. It’s not like we’ll see a Yanks-Phils Series next fall, so I don’t mind sacrificing watching one series in order to not compromise my principles.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That makes sense, but I think you missed the point of my argument. The entire point of what I was saying was just watch the game for baseball and hope that in the end it turns out to be an exciting game. You should be able to watch a baseball game without caring who wins, imo. And if you must, there isn’t one guy on either team that has enough class/likeablitlty that you would root for his team just so that he does well?
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 28, 2009 6:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose...
If you put a gun to my head, I’d be forced to root for the filthies for no other reason that Chase Utley and Jayson Werth helped me to a fantasy championship this year. That’s about all I got.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha. You really hate these teams don’t you? Wow. It mua be hard to watch this outside of NY or Philly. Still, even if it were the Phillies and say the Sawx I’d still watch for the sake of it being a baseball game and wouldn’t care who wins as long as it’s a good game
(Yunel is still the Queen of Hearts)
by GoBravesNY on Oct 28, 2009 1:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t hold the Phillies, or anyone for that matter, in the same category as the Yankees. But the point has been made ad nauseum already that no Braves fan wants to see the Phillies go back-to-back, which is why I was hoping that if the Yankees made the Series, one of the other three NL teams would go up against them.
During the regular season I pull for two teams- the Braves and whoever is playing the Yankees. As the season goes on I’ll start hoping for losses by whoever we’re racing, which this year was the Philiies and Rockies, but not for the same reasons, and with nowhere near the same voracity, as I root against the Yankees. It’s a perfect storm situation- the team from each league that I’m least able to pull for are the final two competitors. Any other combo I take a side, but in this exact scenario I can’t.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I will watch
but it will bring me pain. At the very least, it does look like this will be a great series of baseball to watch…
by Andy Braves Fan on Oct 28, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the problem for me is that I can't find the channel
and the NBA season has started
by southman on Oct 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If it makes anyone feel any better...
the Yankees have spent over 2 BILLION dollars on players since their last championship.
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Oct 28, 2009 2:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and...
I hope the Phillies lose. Their fans threw snowballs at Santa Claus. Classless.
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Oct 28, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yeah, besides LSU fans, philly fans are the definition of worthless pieces of s***
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 28, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
always sunny
phillies phans love hammering everythign
by traphicg on Oct 28, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahahaha awesome episode! i kinda liked the green man idea
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 29, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Secret tunnel under the Holiday Inn- priceless. Only in Philly.
by J-Freak on Oct 29, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mac
I bet he was DYING to kiss ChUtley last night
by traphicg on Oct 29, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sir.... I assure you, it will ALL be on the record
I dont want to be paraphrased, I choose my words delicately
by traphicg on Oct 29, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie is the man. Really loved the Gail the Snail episode a couple weeks ago
I thought hurricane season was over........
by bravesguy311 on Oct 29, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe they can both lose...
Or maybe we can have a Bud Selig Special (aka tie)?
by FineHamAbounds on Oct 28, 2009 2:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that would be EPIC
and incidentally also the first and only thing of any value Bud has done in his tenure.
by J-Freak on Oct 28, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and imo, this is the best World Series we can ask for.
Let’s see Lidge give up one more 9th inning lead, and hopefully they have a $12 million head case in the bullpen.
by Mr. Sanchez on Nov 1, 2009 11:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Haha
as of last night, your wish has been granted. It wasn’t a lead in the 9th inning, but he still totally blew it.
You say to-mah-to, I say you're retarded.
by alligatorimpersonator on Nov 2, 2009 9:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ugh
Fox actually just asked if Derek Jeter was the greatest Yankee of all time. And Ozzie Guillen agreed, and Eric Karros almost did, and Mark Grace said it was a tie between Jeter and Don Mattingly. Sorry Babe, Joe, Lou, and Mick, you’re no Jeter.
"Matt Diaz is a baseball player."-Joe Simpson
by 10-4 on Nov 2, 2009 7:46 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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