On Relievers and Roster Construction Theory
With the off-season in mind, I have some thoughts on the Braves' dilemma with regards to the impending free agency of Mike Gonzalez and Rafael Soriano and how the team will attempt to fill the void.
One of the primary concerns among Braves fans this off-season is how the team will deal with the back end of the bullpen. With the impending free agency of Mike Gonzalez and Rafael Soriano, the Braves are losing their two best relievers and many fans worry about how the team will fill the void. A lot of people will ask: How will the team expect to compete without a "proven closer"?
I don't pretend to know how the team will attempt to fix the problem, but I do have some thoughts on how I believe they should do it.
First of all, the whole "proven closer" thing is hogwash. Plenty of teams have gone into a season with no such reliever and had no trouble closing out games. Even more teams have gone into a season with a "proven closer" only to see him fail miserably and have to scramble to close games. Take the 2009 Phillies for example. Brad Lidge was 41/41 in save opportunities with a 1.95 ERA 2008. For his efforts, he received a grotesquely large contract only to post a 7.21 ERA and blow 11 saves in 2009.
This stems from the fact that relievers are, in general, a gamble. Granted, there's instability everywhere, but a team's bullpen is particularly volatile. Relievers are relievers for a reason. A starting pitcher of equal ability is more valuable than a relief pitcher. Teams convert pitchers to relievers because a) they weren't good enough to make it as a starter or b) their arms wouldn't hold up for 200 innings. No matter which way you slice it, relievers are inherently risky. I can think of very few examples of relievers that didn't, at one point, experience a complete meltdown and lose their effectiveness.
Therefore, building a successful bullpen is about managing these risks. The best way to manage risk with relievers, just like the stock market, is to diversify. Investors spread their resources around, investing in various markets, so that their overall financial health isn't dependent on one particular investment performing well. Because, after all, there's an inherent risk of failure with every investment an investor makes. They manage their risk and pit it against their upside by diversifying, such that they're able to survive in the event of an investment's failure. If you invest $100 in 1 stock and the stock fails, you lose $100. If you invest $1 in 100 stocks and one fails, you lose $1, and you're largely un-phased. You may lose the battle, but you live to fight another day.
Furthermore, predicting the failure of investments is a fool's errand. You can study the markets to your wit's end, but at the end of the day you only have a slightly better idea of which investments will fail than someone who simply chooses them randomly by picking them out of a hat.
The same is true with relievers. Because relievers are so risky and unpredictable, diversification is the best play. For instance, say a club has $10 million to spend on shoring up their bullpen. They can either a) spend all $10 million to bring in a premium free agent closer or b) spend the money on two or three relievers of the buy-low or set-up variety. In doing b, sure, they probably sacrifice a bit of upside. However, they also minimize their risk. What are the chances that one reliever turns into a bust? Pretty high. What are the chances that three relievers all turn into busts? Not nearly as high. Provided they have the same rate of failure, it's 8 times more likely that you'll have a successful closer if you spend the $10 million on 3 relievers rather than one. This is a vast oversimplification, of course, but you get the point.
Dave Cameron of USS Mariner discusses this phenomenon in general baseball terms in his brilliant piece on roster construction theory. I think it's even more applicable when specifically discussing the bullpen.
It's tempting for teams to pay market rate for these premium closers for obvious reasons. If it works out, you've got an excellent closer. But in doing so, you've also assumed a great deal of risk. When you throw all of your eggs into one basket, you're always one injury or episode of ineffectiveness away from not having a viable option, which disproportionately weakens your team. It's not that other players aren't at risk to the same phenomenon, it's that relievers are particularly vulnerable, more so than other players in general, to said injuries and episodes of ineffectiveness.
You'll undoubtedly read various articles this off-season written by national analysts, local columnists, and beat writers that suggest the team needs to go out and sign Jose Valverde or to retain Rafael Soriano or to ship a bag of prospects off to Boston for Jonathan Papelbon. Don't buy it. Having a premium closer is a luxury, not a necessity, and just because a pitcher is labeled as a premium closer doesn't mean they're any less risky than the guys you'll find on the scrap heap after teams like the Cubs and Mets overpay everyone else. The smart teams realize that managing their risk is more important than the upside play. I'm sure one of these moves will make a GM look very smart. But it's just as likely to make a GM look very stupid (I'm looking at you, Francisco Rodriguez).
This may seem counter-intuitive to the casual fan. After all, how is a proven, known commodity more risky than a buy-low proposition? But again, it's not that the buy-low relievers are individually less risky than a premium closer, it's that having multiple viable options--even if they don't possess the upside of a Francisco Rodriguez or a Jose Valverde--minimizes your overall risk. The whole is greater than the sum of it's parts, so to speak.
I don't pretend to know what the Braves will do. They could go out and spend all their money on a Jose Valverde or a Billy Wagner. And it may work, I'll certainly be happy if it does. Though if it doesn't, they're in deep doo doo. And I think that managing their risk by diversifying their resources and picking up two or three quality set-up men or buy-low candidates is the smarter play.
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Nice post. Rec'd
IMO, its the length of the deals that is scary with these relievers. It’s one thing to take the gamble on Soriano’s health for a one year, 8 million dollar deal. But these 3 and 4 year contracts teams are handing out to relievers with high injury and attrition rates, is near insanity. Thankfully, that doesn’t seem to be the Braves m.o. and hopefully it won’t be something we start in the future. I expect this team to do what they did in ‘07 and trade for a younger back end type who hasn’t necessarily been a closer in the past. I’ll toss out a few names who might be trade options: Mark Lowe, Matt Capps, Nick Masset, Brandon League.
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by jeg on Oct 20, 2009 2:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree they’ll add someone young along those lines as well as giving Moylan, and a few of out in house minor leaguer’s a chance as well.
We will likely also add a veteran that has been averagish, slightly above or below, but can handle pressure even if not very talented.
by Rocky1013 on Oct 20, 2009 7:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moylan deserves atleast a set up role for his amazing performance this season after coming back from TJS and pitching in pretty much EVERY game…EVER
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by bwellnjonesco on Oct 20, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree on the length issue...
taking a chance on Soriano from year to year isn’t as bad as committing to him for the next 3 or 4, at least 2 of which you’d expect him to underperform in due to injury or what have you.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 20, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Applause
I really enjoy your writing, it’s presented excellently, and with no tone that should rub anyone the wrong way.
If this is indeed the direction the 2010 Braves choose to go, I can only hope their assessment of “high-upside, potential set-up” arms is somewhat better than their gamble back in 2006, when the team had so many guys attempting and failing to convert some late-inning outs. Guys like Macay McBride and Joey Devine were the guys supposed to have closer stuff, and Chris Reitsma was opening day closer by default because he converted a double digit number of saves the year prior. I guess this would be an example of what you would call a worst-case scenario…
Personally, I’d like to retain one of the two, between Soriano or Gonzalez. I suspect Soriano will command a higher price tag and likely leave, but I would rather have him over Gonzalez, although I will not complain if Gonzo is retained solely. I still have concerns over Moylan’s durability given how hard Cox has run him out every year, and unless some outside acquisitions are made for some low-cost, set-up caliber guys, or some of the arms from Gwinnett are called up, I don’t see much potential for late innings.
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by royhobbs on Oct 20, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Could Gonzo call our bluff on arbitration?...
with the year Soriano just had, I’d expect him to test the market. But Gonzo had some inconsistency, especially as a closer, and could he think he’ll get a better deal accepting arbitration then entering free agency next winter than he would testing the waters this winter? I wouldn’t be surprised in the slightest to see Gonzo back on the team next year either through arbitration, or with him accpeting arb and the two sides agreeing on a deal.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 20, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've heard such possibility
But even if Gonzo were to accept arb, I’m curious to know how much it would be ironed out to around. I’m not going to pretend like I know how it works, but if I’m not mistaken there are some outlying factors that could potentially work against him in arb, like poor Atlanta attendance, lack of any popular achievements like all-star berths, milestones, or individual awards, and most importantly the fact that he was more or less demoted in 2009 due to performance.
At most, I’m guessing he’ll make a hair over $3M, considering service time and annual raises, which obviously is no insignificant chunk of change, but at least it’s not the $13M+ that guys like K-Rod are commanding.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 20, 2009 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he called our bluff on a $3M offer, I don’t think I would be too upset over that. I know that this is contradictory to my premise of not paying millions for a name and developing your own talent, but I don’t think $3M is too expensive for someone like Gonzo. If he pitched in NY or Boston, he would be deemed a $10M pitcher by now…see Farnsworth, Kyle.
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by justincredubil02 on Oct 20, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He made $3.45 million in his final arb year in 2009 and we can expect him to get a raise through arbitration. I’m guessing $5.25 million if he accepted arbitration. Even if he were to make $6 million, though, he’s likely to find a better offer on the open market. And even if he accepts, Gonzalez at $5.25 million isn’t exactly the worst thing you can have on your team.
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by PWHjort on Oct 20, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're right
I apparently was looking at his 2008 salary of somewhere in the $2.4M neighborhood when I was making my guess.
No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.
by royhobbs on Oct 20, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If there isn’t structural damage with Soriano and Gonzalez, I would offer arb to both. Even if one of the accepted, he would still be a tradeable commodity.
I’ve read that a lot of people expect Gonzalez to get the long term deal but Soriano to have health questions. I’m not sure I agree with it, but I’ve seen a couple espn guys suggest Soriano was the most likely to accept arb.
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by jeg on Oct 20, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I love to see the more knowledgeable and known TC members (the 11) give out credit where credit is obviously due (not saying that they slack in this area…just praising). Awesome post PHW.
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by bwellnjonesco on Oct 20, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charmin's 11...
I think shortly after he established that list, half of the “11” stopped posting on a regular basis.
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by buzzdeadwax on Oct 20, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they are too popular with the ladies nowdays…Women go exotical crazy over the 11…
Momma’s basement isn’t what it used to be.
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by bwellnjonesco on Oct 20, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, nice.
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by cbwilk on Oct 20, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, there was a plot to take out the 11, and it partly suceeded. mwahahaha
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by 10-4 on Oct 21, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, sucks for you
Charmin didn’t update the “11”, so you’re still on the outside looking in. ;-)
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by buzzdeadwax on Oct 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As am I
I heard talk of the “11” during the season, and have yet to figure it out. I suppose it’s an elite group of commenters. I guess that makes me one of the ones that are on the outside looking in :)
As far as the closer situation for next season, I feel Moylan proved he would be very capable of handling that role in the BP.
I just never felt comfortable with Gonzo or Soriano, coming in with a narrow lead. It seemed that even when Gonzo was successful, it was not without some Drama!
If I had to choose between the two, I would have to choose Sori, even though he gave up some HR’s, I feel he was a little more consistant . They both seem to be bi-polar when it comes to closing out a close game. They are either very good, or very bad.
This problem actually goes back to our offense. We has so many games with just a 1 run lead going into the 9th inning. This left no room for error for our closers.
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by HEYJUDE on Oct 21, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you look at Soriano’s stats he faded dramatically towards the end of the season.
Now there are a couple of possible reasons for this. One could be he was arguably a little lucky earlier on. Its just unreasonable for him to be that good early on, so most poeple expected a slight reutrn to the middle.
Another explanation was that he got tired. That is certainly to be expected as he threw a ton of innings throughout the season, and most of them were high impact… and a lot of his runs were on days when he had pitched either the previous two nights or even the previous three night
he pitched on Aug 5th,6th,7th,8th (and gave up 4 runs in that stretch)
pitched on Aug 30 th, 31st, and Sep 1, (giving up runs on the 31st and 1st)
i could keep going but you kinda get the point, he was abused in Aug and Sep… now we jsut need to find out if he was tired, hurt, or just unlucky
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 21, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post!
I feel the exact same way. I think the “Proven Closer” is the most overrated position in all of baseball.
I’d be willing to bet that the closer’s role has about a 50% turnover rate collectively in MLB, and many of those guys who are losing their jobs are “proven” closers.
How many times have we seen teams dump a closing vet for one reason or another and go to a young unknown, only to see that young unknown turn into a monster in late-game situations? Oakland is really good at doing this (See: Street, Houston and Baily, Andrew). San Diego recently cut ties with their franchize closer…how’d that work out for them? I’d say that “Great” would be an acceptable answer.
I think spending millions on a closing pitcher is a mistake. I think that old Billy Beane has a trick or two that he could teach our FO when it comes to BPs.
"My team of nine guys who hit like Albert Pujols and never ever bunt just beat your team with one Shane Victorino 472 to 3."
by justincredubil02 on Oct 20, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think our FO wrote the book on this trick, not Beane.
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by PWHjort on Oct 20, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i don't wanna
i still don’t understand his success that year with us.
it was change-change-change-slower change-slow fastball-change-change
with him and he got TONS of guys out that year doing that. he turned that into some serious cash and is probably doing very well for himself owning 6-7 car dealerships or some such BS.
by apoxonbothyourhouses on Oct 21, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we may have written the book but Beane has been doing some serious work over there in the past couple seasons. Between Bailey, Zeigler, Street he hasn’t paid more than 4M for his closer in a while
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 20, 2009 6:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just the entire bullpen is solid though between bailey, ziegler, wuertz, devine, and casilla though the last two have had serious injury issues. If they keep all 5 and all 5 can stay healthy, it’s probably the best pen in baseball
by McCann's the Man on Oct 20, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed…the “closer” title is way overrated…but since everyone seems to have to have one these days..would anybody be opposed to Medlen being our “closer” in a year or two…he just seems to have that “it” factor or the closer mentalitly to me…like he said in his blog, the cocky “hit-it-if-you-can” approach…with another year or so i think he’s gonna be nasty if he can keep that outlook…and he’d be pretty cheap.
by Hcgadawgs on Oct 20, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he’s not quite ready yet, and I think he needs to refine his approach to a 2-3 pitch mix…but i completely agree in a couple years he has a good shot and being a solid closer.
Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?
by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST
by Swo12bv on Oct 20, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What I’ve been saying for months. Instead of giving Soriano the eight million or so everybody wants to give him, I’d rather bring back Gonzalez (he and Moylan make for a nasty L/R combo at the back of the pen) at around 5-5.5 per. Then go out and add two guys through trade for example Matt Capps and Mike Wuertz. That’s a nasty bullpen with the four aforementioned options along with Medlen, Kawakami, and O’ Flaherty. Not to mention it’d be a fairly cheap bullpen (excluding Kawakami as I still put him under starter category) at roughly 12M dollars.
by McCann's the Man on Oct 20, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
I have thought about that mainly because i honestly dont trust anyone in our bullpen outside of Moylan and EoF. I would love for us to get about 3 arms to compliment that because Moylan and EoF could possibly close games themselves. I say go into ST with like 5 SUmen as our BP and see who does the best and give them the job. After that if its not working to well then we can think about trading for someone although i highly doubt it would be THAT bad
by drumzalicious on Oct 21, 2009 12:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm wary of closers brought in through trade
For some reason getting traded to Atlanta seems to be the death knell for closers these days. Bob Wickman and Dan Kolb still haunt my dreams.
I’d rather see Moylan get handed the closing reigns and work on building the bridge from the starters to him rather than trying to build the 9th inning cap.
by J-Freak on Oct 22, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Soriano and Gonzalez worked out pretty well…after the injuries.
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by cbwilk on Oct 22, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Decently enough, I suppose
though neither was what I’d call “proven and reliable” when we got them. Gonzo had closed for one season, and if memory serves Soriano hadn’t, he was a set-up guy with the proverbial “stuff to be a closer.” Plus, they were both a bit shaky in that role this year. Gonzo seemed to do better as an 8th inning man, and though Soriano went through about a two month stretch where he was lights out, it took him a few times out to really get locked in for that streak and then he fell apart down the stretch.
Bottom Line- unless we’re bringing in Joe Nathan (fat effin chance), use Moylan or someone else in-house, even if “in-house” is a re-signed Gonzo. I’d trust him more to come back and try to close, if that’s what it comes to, than Soriano. Soriano was just way too hurt or fickle in that role in his time here.
by J-Freak on Oct 22, 2009 2:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very nicely done, I tip my cap sir
I must disagree with a bit of it though- In more recent years we have seen development of closers take an uptick- that is, some guys are specifically groomed to take that role, rather than being the “particularly risky” failed starters or limp-arms. One need look no farther than our own system and Craig Kimbrel- he’s a reliever in the minors, and all the talk is that if he can get his control down and stop walking people he has the stuff to be a closer. No one’s looking at him to try to be a starter. Neftali Feliz was the same way, he was already pegged as a closer prospect, even though it looks like there’s a chance Texas may try to turn him into a starter anyway.
Also, I disagree with the notion that every “proven” closer is just as risky as any other proven or potential closer. Like true aces of the Greinke/Halladay/etc. variety, there are more teams than proven closers. Mariano Rivera is one guy I wouldn’t have hesitated to give a fat contract to at any point earlier this decade because he was steady for several seasons (the point is of course moot because the Yanks would have outbid anyone that tried to do so), though he’s up there in age now and I wouldn’t do that today. Joe Nathan is another guy I wouldn’t lose a wink of sleep over signing to a deal. There are a choice few guys that just nail that role.
That being said, there’s no one of that caliber on the market, so it doesn’t make much difference. I think Billy Wagner is a guy the Braves should go after if he can be had at the right price. I wouldn’t advocate, and would probably be sickened by, offering him a big deal, but if he can be had for 2-4 mil (the cost of Gonzo) or an incentive-laden deal, we should snatch him. He showed he’s stilled got sharp stuff, and he’s one of those guys that back in the day I’d have leapt at the chance to sign, he was always a good closer. Maybe not quite Rivera or Nathan, but better than just about any other option. And if he doesn’t work out as the stopper, at least you’ve still got a fiery lefty with great K numbers to use earlier in games, which is a real asset in Ryan Howard’s division.
by J-Freak on Oct 22, 2009 1:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Craig Kimbrel is a relief prospect because his body type and delivery are more conducive to relieving than starting. If it weren’t, you can bet your bottom dollar that he’d be a starter. Starters are more valuable to teams and all things equal, they’re going to groom their best arms for starting. Players like K-Rod (whose wacky delivery wouldn’t allow him to start) or Rivera (who couldn’t hack it as a starter) were developed as relievers because that’s what they could do, not because of what their respective organizations wanted them to do.
Neftali Feliz isn’t a closer prospect. Never was, really. He’s made 79 minor league appearances and 53 of them have been starts. He also only has 2 minor league saves, both in his first professional season. He made 12 relief appearances in 2009 at AAA because the Rangers needed a bullpen arm at the time and they were grooming him to come up and help them during their playoff push. Apart from that, he hasn’t made a relief appearance since before his full-season debut. The long term plan has always been for him to start, though.
I agree with you on Nathan/Rivera. The thing is, spending that much money for a closer is a mis-allocation of resources from a mid-market team’s standpoint. One only has so much impact if he’s only pitching 70 innings a season, regardless of the leverage index of those innings. It makes sense for a team like the Yankees, who have unlimited resources. What’s another $12 million to them? But for teams like the Reds and Astros and Braves, you should probably allocate your resources better—using them to acquire a player that will impact more than 300 PA’s a year.
I also agree with you on Wagner. Especially if the Red Sox don’t offer him arbitration.
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by PWHjort on Oct 22, 2009 2:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, I'd disagree big time on Feliz..
unless he develops his other pitches, he’s an ideal closer candidate with that heater. Starting in the minor leagues, is also done so pitcher can work out of jams, can work on other pitches, etc. I’d agree that the goal would be for him to develop some other pitchers to complement that fastball and become a top starter. But if he doesn’t, he can still work in the pen. Starting in the minors is no real indication of where a guy will be used in the majors. Tons of relievers started in the minors—Billy Wagner started 73 of 83 minor league appearances, Mariano Rivera started 68 of 103, Joe Nathan, Frank Francisco, Mark Wohlers, all spent considerable time starting in the minors and started more games than they finished until reaching the majors.
by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 22, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And their respective organizations wanted all of them to start
And what do you mean until he develops his other pitches? That breaking ball he throws is one of the better ones in the game and the change-up is at least average right now.
Unless he has injury troubles, he’s going to start. Like the Rangers have always wanted him to and he always has.
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by PWHjort on Oct 22, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not disagreeing that starters are more valuable, and if they thought Kimbrel could be a top-notch starter then that’s what they’d groom him for. I’m jut pointing out that development is catching up with the evolving role of a “closer.” It started back in the day with the firemen, guys like Dennis Eckersley that were indeed racking up saves, but they often went 2-3 innings and were called in whenever things got sticky to lock them down again, to “put out the fires.” in the last 15 years or so that role has really changed completely and been replaced by a stopper/closer who is designated to come in and lock out the final inning. With that role emerging fairly recently in baseball’s history it took a short while for development to catch up and start trying to cultivate men for that position. That being said, I still stand by my remarks that we need to go in-house to find our next true closer rather than spending big dollars on one. That both avoids the risk of the kind of busts you referenced and stays economical for a mid-market team. Boston hopped on that train with Papelbon, using a young controlled player in that role until he blew it (which he hasn’t yet, they really picked the right guy), even though they’re NOT a money-restricted team.
One of the side-effects of keeping an eye out for someone to fill this role is the idea that the hardest throwers need to be reserved for it. The risk you mention of a guy not holding up for 200 innings seems to be applied heavily to fireballers. Detroit tried it with Zumaya, we’re trying it with Kimbrel, hell we even used Farnsworth as a closer for a while, though that’s kind of apples to oranges as he was a reliever already, just not a 9th inning guy.
Bottom line- Not really disagreeing with you, just saying there does some to be a little more attention to developing a guy specifically for that role instead of developing EVERYONE as a starter and just sticking those that don’t work out in the pen. And as Mr. Sanchez notes, just because a guy starts in the minors doesn’t mean he won’t end up as a closer. But there’s also room to groom a guy as a reliever, not a starter, and continue to use him like that in the Majors.
by J-Freak on Oct 22, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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