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Braves Top-5 Second Base Prospects

Braves second base prospect Travis Jones.

Braves second base prospect Travis Jones.

The Braves have been fortunate enough to consistently fill their second base position with homegrown talent over the last three decades. Aside from small stretches by Brett Boone and Quilvio Veras, the mantle of starting second baseman has passed from Glen Hubbard to Mark Lemke to Marcus Giles to Kelly Johnson and now to the newest in the string of Atlanta-developed second sackers, Martin Prado. The position has remained solidly, if not spectacularly, filled and the next wave of prospects hints at more of the same. Atlanta's current bevy of second base prospects is fairly lacking in top flight talent with huge celings, but it's a group of solid players who all seem likely to reach their personal potentials.

1. Travis Jones B/T: R/R Born: 11/10/1985 Ht: 5/9" Wt: 190
Jones takes the top spot among Braves' Minor League second basemen despite a bit of a down year for AA Mississippi. As a 22 year old playing for Myrtle Beach in 2008, Jones managed to club out 29 doubles, 16 homers and 78 RBIs along with swiping 17 bases while compling a .248 average and a .789 OPS. This season his OPS dropped to .706 as his home run power seemed to vanish, but his other numbers held firm, as he hit for a .249 average to with 22 doubles and 23 stolen bases.

Mississippi's park has become known as a pitcher's park, as notoriously hard to hit home runs in as Myrtle Beach's park, and that coupled with the natural trials of the adjustment to AA, considered the hardest adjustment in professional baseball, led to Jones' first half struggles. In 228 at bats before the All-Star break he hit just .224 with a punchless .637 OPS, but rebounded amiably after the break hitting .290 with a .819 OPS in 138 at bats.

Jones is a solid, reliable defender who combines good instincts with plus range. He doesn't have the arm to play shortstop, nor the body to play third, and he's played neither position as a professional, so there isn't much of a chance that he'll be able to work his way into the Major Leagues as a utiliy infielder. But, the power/speed combo that he showed in 07, 08, and the second half of 09 suggest that he has the tools to be an everyday starter for a Big League team. He'll begin next season as a 24 year old, so there's not much chance that he'll develop into a high octane, incredibly exciting player, but he's certainly in the Braves mold of a dependable, solid second baseman.

Due to his second half surge, a great Spring Training could propel Jones to AAA Gwinnett, but it's more likely the Braves allow him to repeat his success at AA, at least for the first half of the season. Either way, he'll need to continue to work on keeping his swing correct and aiming for doubles instead of home runs. His history suggests he's never going to hit for a high average, but he still gets on base at a good clip and has shown a knack for situational hitting. Jones doesn't have the highest ceiling in the Braves' farm system, but his combination of slugging and speed make him a valuable component in a lineup and he could help Atlanta as soon as the end of the 2010 season.

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2. Yoel Campusano B/T: R/R Born: 12/14/1986 Ht: 5'11" Wt: 200
Campusano, who has alternately been known by the first names Joel and Albaro, comes in at second on the list after garnering Rome's Player of the Year honors by hitting .288 with a .730 OPS. Despite this accolade, 2009 wasn't exactly an outstanding season for him, since at 22 he was several years too old for the league and didn't dominate in the way that a player that old should have.

Despite a slightly stocky body, Campusano has a fair amount of quickness and is a solid defender. He began his career as a shortstop, but as his body has filled out he's found himself better suited for second base. But, while his body is well suited for second, it limits him offensively; despite his build, he's not blessed with much power, and he doesn't have the speed to steal enough bases to make him a dynamic hitter.

Like Jones before him, Campusano is a fairly polished player. He's too old to imagine a huge boost in his tools, but he's been steady enough to suggest he won't regress much either. He'll go into 2010 as Myrtle Beach's starting second baseman and look to continue to build on his Minor League resume.

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3. JC Holt B/T: L/R Born: 12/8/1982 Ht: 5"9" Wt: 175
Holt will be 27 entering the 2010 season, so he's hardly the typical prospect, and, despite consistently being a year or so old for the level he was playing at, he's never dominated, compiling a .711 OPS in his six Minor League seasons. But, he's working on his versatility to make himself a more attractive player, going back to the outfield, where he excelled in college, and playing nearly as many games in left field this season as he played at second base.

An August knee injury cut short his 2009 season, but Holt was working mainly as a part-time player even before that, compiling a .282 average and .697 OPS in 302 plate appearances. While he's never been a terror with the bat, he does supplement his lack of power with speed, stealing an average of 25 bases over the last four seasons. He uses his speed well, both at the plate, where he regularly bunts for base hits, and in the field, where he has plus range both in the infield and the outfield. But, his small frame (that he's listed at 5'9" tall is a comical lie) doesn't allow for much of an arm, so he's not likely to be an adequate defender at third base or shortstop and while he'd certainly have the range for center, his arm would be a liability there.

Holt is a completely finished product; you know what you're going to get out of him, an average somewhere in the .270 to .280 range, a low .700 OPS, and around 25 stolen bases. He'll spend 2010 once again refining his skills in Gwinnett, hoping for an injury that will allow his particular set of skills to be useful in the Major Leagues. He's unlikely to be protected on Atlanta's 40 man roster, so a team looking to stash his speed and versatility at the end of their bench might find him attractive.

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4. Michael Fisher B/T: S/R Born: 3/22/1985 Ht: 6'2" Wt: 188
Fisher's inclusion on this list is a clear sign that Atlanta is not deep at second base in the Minor Leagues. Despite being several years old for the league at 24, he put up a poor showing at Myrtle Beach, hitting just .238 with a .590 OPS. He showed almost no power, slugging just .296, and doesn't have the speed to make up for it. Add on to that the 18 erros he made and things aren't looking good for Fisher's future.

He'll be entering 2010 as a 25 year old, so at this point Fisher can't be looked at as anything more than organizational filler. He's likely to return to Myrtle Beach if only to supplement the roster and aid the younger players. Even if he is able to make a dramatic turnaround in his career, he'll need to prove himself at AA and AAA before he can be counted on for Atlanta's future.

5. Jim Linger B/T: R/R Born: 9/6/1990 Ht: 5'11" Wt: 195
Linger sneaks onto the end of this list based on potential alone. When he was signed out of Australia last year he was considered the top amateur talent in the country and represented his homeland in this year's World Cup Tournament. His introduction into professional baseball was a little rough, but not without its promise, as he hit for a .273 average and a .688 OPS in 142 plate appearances for the Orlando Braves in the Gulf Coast League. While these numbers aren't spectacular, he did show improvement as he acclimated to playing in America, ending the year hitting .303 with a .748 OPS in 76 August at bats while collecting both of his home runs and 6 of his 8 RBIs on the season. Originally signed as a shortstop, he has settled in at second base as a pro, utilizing his rangy frame and athleticism to make himself a plus defender.

Australians often take longer than players from other foreign countries to develop as the level of play isn't as competitive, so it's not out of the question that Linger will be slow to develop. With a good showing in Spring Training, he could find himself as Rome's starting second baseman in 2010, but it's more likely that he'll stay in Extended ST and begin playing with Danville in June. Either way, Linger is young enough that there's room to be patient with him and his combination of athleticism and potential make it plausible that he could be at the top of Altanta's second base prospect pile come this time next year.

(All photos by CB Wilkins, except Campusano by Chip Jett)

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No love for Elys Blanco?...

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?pos=2B&sid=milb&t=p_pbp&pid=542195

considering age, his productivity in the DSL and decent, although nothing special, in his first year stateside with the GCL, it seems like he deserves to be on the list, especially considering the age and level of others on there.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 14, 2009 10:39 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ok, looked at his fielding (horrible)...

and he had one extra base hit for the GCL Braves this year. I guess we are REALLY struggling for middle IF prospects within the organization.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, 20 years old in the GCL with a .630 OPS. Gotta be honest, he never even crossed my mind.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I never took a close look at his GCL numbers...

just glossed them over and focused on his age and DSL #s.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 14, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yoel Campusano

That description of him sounds like Yunel at the same age/stage of his career. Players can get better even though they are too old for the level.

by themurph on Oct 14, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Yunel was a completely different case. He was a high profile signing as a second round draft pick and considered a top flight talent from day one. They knew he was going to move fast and he did, playing for Rome in his first season and dominating the level. Campusano is in his fourth season and didn’t dominate. Escobar skipped High A the next year, something Campusano won’t do, because his natural talent was blatantly obvious. The knocks on Campusano are about far more than age, that’s just one aspect of it.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonder if Brandon Hicks could play 2B? Im really questioning whether he will have the bat to play 3B and the fielding to play SS in the majors. So i think Hicks could have a much better chance at 2B than anywhere else on the field.

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

his fielding is supposed to be superb at SS, although i just have second hand accounts of that. the problem is at this point his bat doesn’t play anywhere. He needs to turn it arond offensively first, then we’ll figure out where he fits best

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Oct 14, 2009 11:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, his defense is superb at SS. My only question about him playing 2B is how big he is, his body just seems to bulky for 2B.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw him in a few games in August. Like cbwilk said, he looked very good defensively and has good speed and base stealing potential. These games were during the part of the season where he turned things up offensively. He had a HR and 2 or 3 doubles in those 3 games I saw. He is bigger than what you would typically expect to see in a 2nd baseman though. I was actually surprised when I talked to him at how big he actually was.

by Mountngrown on Oct 14, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just like Dan Uggla, who we shouldnt sign!

President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!

by mvhsbball on Oct 14, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why are you against uggla?

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s a butcher in the field, and I’d much rather have Marteen Prado (since I’m the president of his fan club!) and spend the money to add a power hitting 1B or OF.

President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!

by mvhsbball on Oct 14, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

When the hell you become president of Prado fan club? Hell i was sayin he could be a productive everyday MLB 2B last offseason maybe we can be co presidents of his fan club ;)

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha it was earlier this week

President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!

by mvhsbball on Oct 14, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well i been here longer and i been sayin Prado could be a productive starting 2B since last offseason so i have seniorority over you ;)

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha yes master!

President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!

by mvhsbball on Oct 14, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hhhmmm…. i can get used to that :)

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

WE DON'T NEED AN OF

Matt Diaz, Jordan Schafer, Ryan Church, Jason Heyward, Matt Young, Brandon Jones, Nate McLouth, Kelly Johnson, and Venezuela’s greatest RF, Marteeen. Between the first several names, you’ve got enough to get the job done throughout the year not considering injuries. In the worst, you expect one if not both of Heyward and Schafer up by the all star break, so no need to spend more than Church, Diaz, maybe Johnson or Young, considering the team’s likely need to invest in a 1B and closer.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 15, 2009 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Except that Prado is worse defensively than Uggla...

Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.

by VivaLosBravos on Oct 15, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talk about small sample size… We have no idea how good OR bad Prado will do in the future cause he had such a small sample size at 2B. No way of truly knowin how good he will be defensively over a full season at 2B until he plays a full season at 2B lol. So you can throw that Prado is worst defensively than Uggla garbage out bub.

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 15, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I mean he has 780 innings there. I don’t know if that’s enough to get an accurate reading or not. And Uggla seems to alternate good and bad years defensively

by acie4mvp on Oct 15, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true he has had a good bit of innings there but they were stretched out in years where he was mainly on the bench and playin other positions as well. Lets see him full time at one position and one position only for a full season before we go out and say how bad he is.

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 15, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That’s not true. It isn’t conclusive, but we definitely have an idea of it.

Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.

by VivaLosBravos on Oct 15, 2009 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

An idea when in the past years he was mainly comin off the bench and playin other positions as well. The guy has to work on playin 3B, 1B and 2B to be good at them, KJ and other players regulars need to just work on ONE position. I mean really what you think he will be a GG player when he has to practice and stay good at each position? Before i start callin him a bad defensive 2B i wanna see him at one position full time not different positions for a full season. If you dont think that matters then you just dont know the game of baseball plain and simple cause that absolutely makes a difference practicin and playin 3 positions in a season.

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 15, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

K

Mat Gamel is way too cool for double consonants.

by VivaLosBravos on Oct 16, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why would he be more of a fit at SS than 2B because of his bulkiness. you need more range and quickness at SS than second…i dont think the transistion would be tough at all

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s too tall and too wide to make the turns at second effectively. Guys like Ripken and Alex Rodriguez have proven you can be a big powerful shortstop, but I can’t think of a 6’3" 215 plus pound second baseman, ever.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

he’s listed as 6’0" and 200 pounds, if he plays great defense at SS, there’s no reason he couldn’t at 2B

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just because you can play ss doesnt mean you can play 2b as well. the positions are not really that similiar.

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

how not? from SS it’d be the easiest position to convert to…how the hell are they not similiar?

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

because, uh, you know

they do different things?

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

can you please tell me what? specifics please…

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He’s listed at 6’2", and frankly, if you haven’t seen the guy, I’m not sure you’re qualified to say what he can play.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your right, 6’2", looked at it wrong..but KJ is 6’1 205, Clint Barmes 6’1 210..im not trying to be rude but who are you to determine who i’ve see play or not? what, you’ve seen him play a handful of times so you can make a fair judgement?

all i know is SS and 2B are very similiar..and SS usually are better defensively and have a stronger arm, which is why they are at SS…and you yourself admitted he was superb at SS…so why couldn’t he play a very similiar, position, with less of a defensive demand at just as good of a level….

and one of yall, please explain to me what exactly SS and 2B do that are so different besides play on opposite sides of the field. PLEASE!

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok…SS vs. 2B

there both middle infielders…they both get the same view of the ball off the bat…they both cover second on steals…they both handle cut-offs depending on which side the ball is hit…SS covers 3rd on bunt down the 3rd baseline while 2nd base covers 1st on bunts down 1st baseline…they are pretty much exactly the same! difference is SS is the leader of the infield and has priority over balls…so yes the SS may have more responsibilities but position they are not different at all…so why could he not move to the other side of the infield to a postion with less responsibilty and where a strong arm and throwing across the diamond isnt necessasry…if anything it would be easier for him…right? or…right?

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

please give me a list of all the player’s that have been SS and been converted to 2B…. i imagine the lsit is short… goign the other way is possible sometimes but its pretty rare as well.. the fact is th epositions arent that similar.

Every ball they field is different. balls hit up the middle to a SS are field with his off hand (assuming RH) and are fielded with his glove hand for a 2B. a ball in the hole is fielded with the off hand for a SS and the opposite is true for a 2b. when make a turn at 2nd. the 2B actually has to turn his body to recieve the throw from the left side of the IF to throw to first. The ss is coming towards 1B as he recieves the ball and throws in that direction. Range is important to a SS, but quickness is important to a 2B, they are different skills.

You picked a bunch of arbitrary things that can be said of any position in the IF. You are basically saying since they are middle IF they are similar and then pick instances that require almost no skill whatsoever to accomplish… any one can take a relay throw, covering a base isnt difficult, and covering second on a steal is similar and ill give you that, but they way the throw is received is usually different and traditionally the SS covers on a steal, whereas either can cover on a pickoff at 2B. WHereas my examples are directly related to actual skills needed to play the position.

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Oct 14, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

“please give me a list of all the player’s that have been SS and been converted to 2B”

Kelly Johnson. He was drafted as a SS so he at least played High School ball at SS not sure about how much he played there in the minors though.

Im not tryin to get in this but i will put it this way, if he shows a strong bat and we need a cheap option at 2B and Prado gettin too expensive or whatever and Travis Jones turns out to suck and 2B is the only available position for Hicks to play then i think that the Braves can do with him what they did with KJ and again i could be wrong i have no idea.

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you serious!

correct me if i’m wrong…most people that get drafted now a days come straight from high school, and in high school the best defensive infielder is 99% of the time a shortstop…i doubt many pure second baseman are drafted out of high school because if they were that good they would be at SS..so most 2B and maybe even 3B are converted early in the minors so of course you don’t hear about them..if i could find some kind of stat im almost positive you would that 70% of your 2nd basemen and even 3rd baseman were at one point SS…

check out this link and read the 3rd bullet

http://www.lz95.org/lzhs/physical_education/treagan/Recruiting.pdf

but for sake of argument here’s a few good 2B that converted from SS…

1) Clint Barmes
2) Kelly Johnson
3) the Nats have asked Guzman to move to 2B next year
4) when the braves were trying to get Furcal, Yunel was gonna move to 2B (or maybe vice versa)
5) Adam Kennedy
6) David Eckstein
7) Dustin Pedroia
8) Ian Kinsler
9) Placido Polanco

shall i go on?

TEAMS HARDLY EVER DRAFT 2B, ALMOST ALL PROFESSIONAL 2B ARE CONVERTED SHORTSTOPS! GOOGLE IT!

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK LETS TALK IN ALL CAPS

HUR DURRRRRRR

the point is that they are two different positions that require different skills. you act like all SSs can play 2b, but its not that simple.

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well swo12bv did ask for him to give him a list so he did lol. Cant fault him for that.

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

touche

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and your acting like its unreasonable that Hicks can’t be converted to 2B? its very very possible he could be

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no im not saying that at all.

i havent even mentioned Hicks in this entire thread.

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well thats what this conversation is about….

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what i said:

“just because you can play ss doesnt mean you can play 2b as well. the positions are not really that similiar.”

than you started an argument about that, and that is what the conversation evolved into, whether it is easy to convert from SS to 2b. im not saying hicks couldnt, im saying its not as easy as you think.

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so where is even a slight bit of proof that it isn’t…who has failed?

its very evident by what i said that a professional baseball player has the talent and can adjust to a slight position change, such as from SS to 2B, probably the most common position change..

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, lets be ignorant esadb because i proved my point…what more proof do you need?

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok lets be ignorant Hcgadawgs because you think you proved your point but actually did no such thing.

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your right….facts don’t prove points at all…

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

youre right

you win. i guess we are all just big retards and your “facts” defeated us. good day sir.

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i guess its not important that most every discussion on here is fact-based and about proving points, so i did. glad you handled this maturely..

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i said good day.

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

back at ya

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 8:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Clint Barmes-6’0" 175, very slight
Kelly Johnson-6’1" 205, not a great fielder
Cristian Guzman-6’0" 195, getting fat, but still small
Rafael Furcal-5’10" 165, very slight
Adam Kennedy-6’1" 192, not huge but is a great fielder, though he played mostly 3B this season
David Eckstein-5’6" 170, and probably actually smaller
Dustin Pedroia-5’9" 170, very small
Ian Kinsler-6’0" 200, a little thick but still not very big
Placido Polanco-5’10" 168, very small

Most of these guys are much smaller than Hicks and of the two that are only slightly smaller, only one, Kennedy has shown himself to be a good defender at 2B.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you said Hicks was a superb fielding shortstop..so your saying 1" and 8 pounds is keeping him from being a 2B..
yall mentioned he’s fast and

you have no facts whatsover to prove that its unlikely he could be a 2B…

and i didnt even name all of those who have converted..because it would be most everyone…

i cant argue if your gonna nit pick by saying he’s an inch too tall and few pounds too heavy..thats just ridiculous

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great. You’re right. Cheers.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I will say this CB, i dont think his bat is good enough to play 3B(i guess we will see how he does this comin up year to make sure though) in the majors and i dont see him at SS with us mainly cause of Escobar so i think only place he will play for us is prolly 2B so if he wants to be a regular starter then im sure he will do all he can do to make it as a 2B if the Braves ask that of him like they did with KJ.

braves#1

by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think his bat is gonna come around. I think he was probably rushed to AA this year and his second half resurgence was a good sign that he was turning things around. I like him a lot as a prospect and I think he’s going to have a place in Atlanta’s future infield…But not at 2B.

"At least he didn’t nail the bitchy fat girl from Hell's Kitchen."
www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

where? has there been any talk about 3rd? or do you think he has the bat for that

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s been talk about him playing third since he first signed, because of his size and his power.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what was the size of SS in the bigs...

prior to Cal Ripken? Now you’ve got good sizes guys there ARod, Hanley Ramirez, and others. Not saying Hicks can, should or would, just saying sooner or later someone breaks that mold. In fact, someone already has—Alfonso Soriano. He played 2B and I assume isn’t any smaller than Hicks.

by Mr. Sanchez on Oct 15, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano was pretty brutal defensively at 2B. But i get your point though about the sizes of players. And i still believe no matter what anyone says that IF his bat doesn’t get good enough to play 3B in the majors for us and Escobar is still here at SS and we have a need for a cheap 2B and Braves goes to Hicks like they did with KJ i believe Hicks would be all for it, he would just need some help like KJ did to get his footing and everything down. I wouldn’t be surprised in a few years if there are 6 foot 3 to 6 foot 4 guys playin 2B in the future. Haven’t seen it yet but im sure we will.

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by rockybull on Oct 15, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I just don’t think so, for the same reason you’re not really likely to see a bunch of 5’8" first baseman, it’s just no physically what you want at that position. And guy 6’4" is probably gonna have some pop and be better at 3B or LF where his body won’t get in his way on defense. Sure, you might see a guy or two do it for a little while, but I’m betting it won’t become a trend.

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by cbwilk on Oct 15, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You may be right it may not become a trend. I remember when i played high school ball i had a teammate who would play Catcher, 2B and SP. Mostly Catcher but he could pick it at 2B when he played there and he was i guess 6 foot 2 and about 180-190 pounds. I guess as far as MLB goes it would depend on how good the teams 3B, OF, 1B are and if he is in the minors at 2B and the team has a really good 3B, OF, and 1B and 2B is available i could definately see a guy play there in the show.

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by rockybull on Oct 15, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Soriano is 6’1" 180 ans he’s incredibly reedy. And yes, he was terrible at fielding at 2B.

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by cbwilk on Oct 15, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

There’s a huge fundamental difference between the body angles that second base requires as far as turning and throwing toward first. A taller, wider player isn’t going to be able to adequately twist his body in a way that will allow him to make an effective throw toward first, which is why, throughout the history of baseball, second basemen have been smaller than shortstops, because their smaller size makes it easier to get around their own bodies to make these awkward throws.
There’s no doubt in my mind that Hicks could play second base adequately. Coming out of college there was talk that he could play centerfield, he’s that athletic. But, he wouldn’t do as well at either position as he might at SS or 3B or 1B or LF or RF because he doesn’t have the particular skill set that would make him a pure asset at those positions, mainly because he’s too big for them.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

well that wasn’t the argument…you said he WAS too big to play 2B..i never once said he would be an ideal second baseman…but the way you make it sound is that it would be completely ridiculous for the Braves to explore that option if the situation called for it. and your argument about twisting his body and awkward throws is still nit picking. kelly johnson is 5 pounds heavier and an inch smaller..not saying he’s a great fielder, but he is a good fielder..and i understand that history proves their smaller, but the argument was if for some reason kelly and prado weren’t there, that hicks could pick up the slack…and with yunel at short for a good while to come i see no reason not to at least give him a shot at 2nd..if he does bad, so be it, move him, not a whole lot lost..

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

wow…what a ridiculous statement..how bout you never give your opinion on anyone else unless you’ve personally been to a game and seen them play live…

and none of us are “qualified” to make judgements on anyone..but were baseball fans who enjoy talking baseball…which is what this website is for…so how about none of us ever comment on here again since were not “qualified” to express our opinions..

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, since I’ve seen the vast Majority of the Atlanta organization live, I guess I’ll be alright.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ok, well most people haven’t..so i guess you’ll be talking to yourself on here since were not “qualified”

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He had like an .819 OPS in the second half and was 17/18 on SB attempts this year. It’s possible that he already has turned the corner some, because he was much better the last couple months.

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A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Oct 14, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i wont deny that… im a big fan of Hicks and love him, but his first half was abysmal.. however, like you said he really turned it on in the second half… itll be interesting to see where he starts next year

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Oct 14, 2009 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i knew his fielding was solid but didn’t know if it was good enough to play in the majors but if its superb like you said then it would be good enough in the majors, thx for fillin me in on that.

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by rockybull on Oct 14, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

22 is several years too old for the Sally?

Average age for the league is 21.5.

You guys seem to be underestimating the ages in these leagues (in the round tables, as well).

Sure, the best prospects would probably on the younger side of the average, but Yoel Campusano was playing against guys his age, on average.

Sorry to nitpick. I have really enjoyed these and you’re doing a great job.

by parish on Oct 14, 2009 12:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I think it is old for someone you consider a prospect. Sure he is just a half a year older than the competition he is up against, but when anyone is old for their league you really want to see them dominate and not just play average baseball. If Campusano was putting up a .900 OPS the age thing wouldn’t be as big of a deal, though we would probably say we want to see him do it at a higher level. You have to understand that guys like Tommy Hanson and Kris Medlen are 22 right now, and granted they were really good prospects, if Campusano continues on his path he is going to be 26-27 when he reaches the show which makes him really a non prospect.

by yondaime4 on Oct 14, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

See, I understand the reality, but that’s not the same as judging a guy based on his value as a prospect. You’re absolutely right, most guys in the league are older than what I’ve been giving credit for, but that’s mainly because I’m looking at the desired ages. For me, you want a guy to be 19/20 at Rome, 20/21 at Myrtle Beach, 21/22 at Mississippi, and 22/23 at Gwinnett.
Yes, the majority of guys in those leagues are going to be a bit older, but the majority of those guys aren’t prospects. That’s just how it is, especially in the low minors. Most of the guys who played in the Sally League this year won’t make it to AA.
So when I’m saying a guy is old, I’m not discounting the idea that he could become a useful or productive Major Leaguer one day, but I am pointing out that he’s not likely to make huge strides and become a top prospect, especially if he’s not dominating. In other words, I don’t want to take away from what Campusano or somebody like RSF did this year, because they played well at the levels they had a chance to, but the context, for me anyway, isn’t as positive as somebody doing the same thing much younger.
Thanks for pointing this out, because it was definitely something worth talking about.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank for the reply, you guys

Campusano had an average year at an average age for the league. I still don’t think that is a negative, but it doesn’t make the guy a prospect.

He was the best hitter for a terrible offense.

I should also mention that I saw a comment in an earlier reply from CB which is also relevant to the age versus league factor. Campusano has been in our system for four years. That’s a pretty long time to just be crossing the Low A threshhold at age 22.

by parish on Oct 14, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Robert Brooks

He was injured this past season but this guy has tremendous skills. Some pop, very good speed and plays great defense.

by Jay212033 on Oct 14, 2009 2:33 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I think we brought him up in the round table, but, in short, Brooks will be 22 early next year coming off of a missed season (and who knows if he is coming back) and he’ll be playing at Rome. Until he does something, he’s kind of in Campusano’s boat, a little too old for the level he’ll be playing at. It would be nice if he can come back strong and add a good prospect to the position though.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah I liked the one season brooks put up but I didn’t rank anyone this year who finished the year injured.

by yondaime4 on Oct 15, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone else think Travis looks like Heywards younger brother?

by bACEballstud on Oct 14, 2009 5:18 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

I am kinda confused on how this is a racist statement. If its on the sole principle that they are both black, then you sir are retarded.

by bACEballstud on Oct 14, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think it was a joke

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think ur a joke!

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Oct 14, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your mother is a joke

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

touche sir

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Oct 14, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

oooh burn

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WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!

by mvhsbball on Oct 14, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah definitely a joke, I actually agree with you.

by acie4mvp on Oct 15, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinkin the same thing! (about him being a brother, not that bAceballstud is a racist lol.)

President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!

by mvhsbball on Oct 14, 2009 6:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not really

hohohhohohoh its the offseason, time to rosterbate in public places

by esadb on Oct 14, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see how you get it from that picture, but they really don’t look that much alike. TJ doesn’t think so anyway:

But there was a strength coach in the organization name Shaun Hicks and he and TJ were freaking identical twins. They got mixed up all the time:

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that that top picture makes them look nothing alike.

by bACEballstud on Oct 14, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Myrtle Beach has some bad ass unis

by Hcgadawgs on Oct 14, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slim picking

"Four of us wolves, running around the desert together in Las Vegas, looking for strippers and cocaine..."

by jeg on Oct 14, 2009 6:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wait until you see the sharp dropoff with the shortstops.

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by cbwilk on Oct 14, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

at least we got Esco!

President of Marteeeny's Weeenies: The Official Fan Club for Martin Prado.
WE WANT PRADO AT 2B IN 2010!

by mvhsbball on Oct 14, 2009 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

and damn better hang on to him for many years. He’s a long-term asset.

by fandave on Oct 14, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

While it’s true, it’s important to remember that it practically impossible to have legitimate prospects at every position, and our pitching depth can cover a lot of holes. That being said, I’ll be a bit surprised if you don’t see us taking a prep SS next year early, because there should be plenty floating around the first 2-3 rounds; including a couple GA and FL guys.

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A: Because the Braves don't want to show their fans how bad you suck.

by timmy3 on Oct 15, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Remember a few years ago we had plenty of depth at middle INF in the minors that that was a big reason why people were sayin Andrus is expendable in that Tex deal. Wow only a few years later 2B, SS, and 3B is pretty absent in our minors other than a few players that could be solid or flat out duds.

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by rockybull on Oct 15, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the whole reason we are short now though is promotion, trade and some attrition. We don’t necessarily need a SS or 2B prospect right now. 3B has been a problem for years (minus Andy Marte, but he eventually bombed). Out of all our minor league positions 3B worries me the most.

by yondaime4 on Oct 15, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and i think Travis Jones would be a fine guy at 2B if Prado doesn’t live up to his billing and we let go of KJ. Escobar is a top top SS combined with his D and O so in a few years he will get a nice payday. So it would be nice to have a young SS spec just in case we cant end up affording Escobar when he becomes a FA hopefully we extend him before then but you never know, he may wanna wait to test the FA market so SS does concern me to a degree. 3B worries me the most as well. Seems like we just cannot develop a good 3B spec. Marte was highly rated but he bombed and Campbell bombed as well so i guess we will see if we draft someone or somebody has a breakout year in the minors at 3B.

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by rockybull on Oct 15, 2009 6:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardly anything to do with your content (which is great, by the way!), but Fisher definitely looks like he’s doing his best model shot there. Nice lip bite, fierce eyes! Dude’s a natural! Haha

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by King Size on Oct 14, 2009 8:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

he’s gazing ever longingly into my eyes

Heyward,Hanson,and Shaffer r ready now!! Why do you think they havent signed the "right handed bat"?

by fatazfoot on Jan 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST

by Swo12bv on Oct 14, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

T. Jones

Just had to mention, i saw a Rome game 2 years ago, and Travis had a career game against Lexington, hitting 3 home runs with 4 RBIs, playing solid D as well…..looking forward to seeing him playing in ATL in a couple seasons

by joshuaart on Oct 14, 2009 9:29 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I’m a big fan of TJ. He’s a great guy and I always enjoy getting to see him and watch him play. He genuinely has fun playing and it shows in everything he does.

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by cbwilk on Oct 15, 2009 12:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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