Three Sheets to the wind???

by rwwrodeo on Jan 9, 2009 12:06 AM EST Comment 56 comments

Well what about Sheets. I know he is an injury risk but right now he is looking pretty good. He can pitch really good when healthy. Glavine might still come back but I would just as soon he retires. This leaves us with pretty much nothing unless we get Lowe. Sheets could still be a cheap option even if we get Lowe.

Vasquez

Jurjens

Lowe

Sheets

Morton, Reyes

I could get excited about that.

Also I think bringing Jones back MIGHT not be a bad investment if its a league minimum deal. It could be a good bridge to some of our young players.

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- Oh, Bobby. -

by sdp on Jan 9, 2009 12:13 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

That...

is probably the most insightful comment I have ever read… er… or seen. Thank you for the wonderful input.

Wood

by rwwrodeo on Jan 9, 2009 12:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the best thing...

The best thing about Sheets is that he would probably sign a short term deal at a bargain. Something like 1 year/12 million. I doubt Wren goes after him though because he is such an injury risk.

by beeswax on Jan 9, 2009 12:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Why hasn't anyone picked up Sheets yet?

I would love the Braves to sign Ben Sheets…but that’s knowing what I know (he’s an incredible pitcher when healthy, and has been healthier than AJ Burnett in his career).

But the fact that there’s no evidence a single MLB team has even offered him a multi-year deal screams to me that there are some serious, serious red flags here – perhaps the injury at the end of last seaons was a big deal

by Bravenewworld on Jan 9, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Shoot

That wasn’t mean to be so italicised. Oh well

by Bravenewworld on Jan 9, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, the injury certainly has played a role in no one offering a contract. But I think a large part of it is the economy and teams waiting for someone else to make a move first, hoping to get bargains. Lowe was just offered his first contract a few days ago…Oliver Perez, Adam Dunn, Randy Wolf, et al also haven’t been offered anything yet. I have a feeling once one team expresses interest in Sheets and makes him an offer, other teams will come out and do the same.

by coldriver10 on Jan 9, 2009 2:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oliver Perez should get his 5/90 though. After all, he is the 5th best lefty in the league.

I think there’s no way we sign Sheets, due to the injury concern. After all, if we didn’t do what it took to keep Smoltz around, I don’t think there’s any way we turn around and ink Sheets to a contract. I think its the right decision, but I guess time will tell.

by soup du jour on Jan 9, 2009 7:47 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Walt Jocketty

Not sure the exact quote, but I think WJ was the most telling on this. One day, he’s saying Cincy’s going to go hard after Sheets. Then, like 3 days later, he said the team had no interest, and the shoulder was the reason.

Not good.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 9, 2009 2:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you are all fucking idiots

we’re not getting sheets or lowe unless we overpay.
This team just can’t be competitive. We have let so many good ballplayers go without even trying. I’ll admit that the asking price to get peavy was a little high and furcal’s agent fucked us over. However, we let Hoffman go to a competitor (another division, but a wildcard rival) for chump change. Smoltz, a 21-year veteran of the club, was low-balled. I wouldn’t be complaining about Smotlz if he hadn’t been in ATL for 21 yrs.
Manram is still out there. He is the ONLY free-agent available that can make a difference between competitive and “rebuilding”. I can’t imagine anybody would come to ATL with anything in mind other than to prove themselves (sheets) or to get more money than anybody else is willing to pay (norton, ross, possibly lowe)

by Lee-Roy Jenkins on Jan 9, 2009 2:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

However, we let Hoffman go to a competitor (another division, but a wildcard rival) for chump change.

What role would Hoffman play on the Braves if we would have signed him? This makes absolutely no sense at all.

best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)

by mvandonsel on Jan 9, 2009 3:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Great question. And for 6 million an especially great question.

by cbwilk on Jan 9, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Honestly.

I hope you get raped to death by a rusty set of ourdoor furniture. Seriously, that’s the fate I wish you have to endure. You and everyone with an IQ loe enough to consider your line of “reasoning” anything short of an offense punishable by a cruel and unusual death.

by ejruiz on Jan 9, 2009 7:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

u ar kicking names and tkaing ass today…. i love it….keep it going… ill try to point out more idiotic comments and u shove a rusty mailbox post up their ass

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 9, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

who the fuck is our closer?

you think smoltz is a risk, but gonzo and soriano have been injured a lot too. Also, when the fuck has our bullpen ever done shit. the last time we had a bullpen bobby could wipe his ass with was when wohlers was decent. I like moylan and I really hope gonzo and soriano bounce back. Hell, i really hope they can last long enough to show us what they got. A closer like Hoffman shortens a game. the man is a fucking beast.
you know what, i’m a braves fan, so I hope i’m dead wrong on this one. i really hope our bullpen does come back. I’m just saying, I don’t see it.

by Lee-Roy Jenkins on Jan 9, 2009 4:00 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don't see...

how signing a 41-year-old closer, who is clearly past his prime, would help our team out. Additionally, in my opinion, we had ridiculous bullpens all the way up until 2004.

best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)

by mvandonsel on Jan 9, 2009 4:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Raped to Death

Rusty set of ourdoor furniture. You and all your kind. Seriously.

by ejruiz on Jan 9, 2009 7:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wow Lee-Roy

That is quite the vocabulary you have there. I’m impressed. I used to talk like that to though…When I was 17. Our Bullpen is not our problem and was not our problem last year. Gonzo is our closer and will be our closer. Soriano is one of the setup men and so is Moylan. The rest of the staff looks good as well. The problem is we will need to used the hell out of them. We need starters to get us to our bullpen with a lead.

Wood

by rwwrodeo on Jan 9, 2009 10:41 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs

it was one of our problems last year, onyl because of injuries… the pen was dreadful in the second half

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 9, 2009 10:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

They

were over used is what it was. They flat out had to pitch to often. That is why Wren has been looking for guys that can take the ball every 5th day and go pitch 7 innings.

Wood

by rwwrodeo on Jan 9, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yet, people are complaining about Wren trading for a pitcher who has pitched at least 200 innings for eight of the last nine years…and the one year he didn’t he missed the mark by 2 IP.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 12:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

they were overworked because our three best releivers missed considerable time..four if u count smoltz

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 9, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i see your point rwwrodeo

you make a good point. i can see where you’re going with the inning eater strategy. i can understand the value in vasquez. I just feel that we gave up a lot to get him and we are going to overpay him. Nothing wrong with having the guy on the roster. i really hope i’m wrong and the guy has a great year. i’ll be the first one to admit it.
About the bullpen, maybe it’s watching so many games in the 80’s where we were able to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. But I feel that is the form we have returned to now. why can’t we get one of those closers that is (nearly) automatic? Smoltz was like that. Wohlers was close (until he lost it). I’m not so sure about Gonzo, but he certainly has potential. We have talent in the pen, but adding a proven veteran (of keeping Smoltz) would make me more comfortable with those young, unproven guys.

by Lee-Roy Jenkins on Jan 9, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

gonzo was as automatic as it gets, (despite his penchant for wlaking dudes, sometimes)… he only failed in non save situations…which despite its weirdness, shouldnt have any effect on our assumptions of him as a closer

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 10, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

FIRE FRANK WREN! GO RED SOX! I HATE THE BRAVES! SAY GOODBYE TO MY 9 GAME FLEX PLAN MONEY! YOU'LL NEVER SEE ME AGAIN!

by 10-4 on Jan 9, 2009 9:36 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Phil? Phil Conners?

Dont tell me you dont remember me cause i sure as heckfire remember you. Ned… Ryerson. “Needlenose Ned”? “Ned the Head”? C’mon, buddy. Case Western High. I did the whistling belly-button trick at the high school talent show? Bing. Ned Ryerson, got the shingles real bad senior year, almost didn’t graduate? Bing, again. Ned Ryerson, I dated your sister Mary Pat a couple of times until you told me not to anymore? Well?

by bravesguy311 on Jan 9, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Serenity now…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 10:25 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Insanity later.

by CHill33 on Jan 9, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d sign Sheets and send him straight to Dr. Andrews for a new shoulder. He can keep Huddy company until ’10. We really need a power pitcher in this rotation, which is why I think we went after Burnett so hard. Sheets can strike guys out.

by Land-Man on Jan 9, 2009 10:46 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Time for the latest installment of everybody's favorite game--Guess The Player

Player A:

2005: 8.1 K/9
2006: 9.85 K/9
2007: 6.75 K/9
2008: 7.17 K/9

Player B:

2005: 8.01 K/9
2006: 8.17 K/9
2007: 8.85 K/9
2008: 8.64 K/9

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 9, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

A is of course mr sheets
B? JAVIER VAZQUEZ BAHAHAHAHAHA

+1, very nice

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 9, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yup

And thanks.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Who is B?

And you’re arbitrarily starting in ‘05 if you’re trying to say he isn’t a power pitcher. He’s been injured each of the last four season.

by Land-Man on Jan 9, 2009 1:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, your point? Vazquez HASN’T been injured each of the last four seasons.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i think his point is that vazquez is a more solid pitcher than people are giving him credit for and he is also very consistent

since 2000 the guy has pitched 200+ innings except 2004 when he had 194

also in that time span the lowest total k’s has been 150, 179, 184 then after that every year is 190+ k’s including 2003 when he had 241.

the dude has talent and he has stuff i think he just needs the right environment/change of environment from where he was and i think he will surprise alot of people

i personally wouldnt be surprised if he pitched

200 innings
220 k’s
3.5 era
15 w/8-10 losses

i think the only difference between him and lowe next year will be that he strikes people out more than lowe

by drumzalicious on Jan 9, 2009 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I just was pointing out to L-M, who said ATL “really needs a power pitcher in this rotation” who “can strike guys out” that ATL already has one in JV.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 9, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m aware that Vazquez is a very good pitcher, I’m one of the apparent select few who thought the trade was a big win for us. What I was trying to convey to LM is that Sheets being injured the last four seasons isn’t an acceptable excuse as to why his K totals are lower than Javier’s. It actually makes an even greater case for Vazquez.

Unless I just completely read what LM had to say wrong.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 4:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh

I thought you giving me crap about Sheets not being a power pitcher. I liked the Vazquez acquisition.

by Land-Man on Jan 9, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you were giving

by Land-Man on Jan 9, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

OK, fine

Player A:

2001: 5.59 K/9
2002: 7.06 K/9
2003: 6.40 K/9
2004: 10.03 K/9
2006: 9.85 K/9
2007: 6.75 K/9
2008: 7.17 K/9

Player B:

2001: 8.37 K/9
2002: 6.99 K/9
2003: 9.40 K/9
2004: 6.82 K/9
2005: 8.01 K/9
2006: 8.17 K/9
2007: 8.85 K/9
2008: 8.64 K/9

Point out the “power pitcher”. Hint: it’s not Player A.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 9, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm, player B seems to consistently strike out quite a few batters. Too bad his BB/9 is probably through the roof…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 4:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

PLAYER A
2001: 2.85
2002: 2.91
2003: 1.75
2004: 1.22
2005: 1.44
2006: 0.93
2007: 2.36
2008: 2.13
career: 1.97

PLAYER B
2001: 1.77
2002: 1.91
2003: 2.22
2004: 2.73
2005: 1.92
2006: 2.49
2007: 2.08
2008: 2.64
career: 2.39

not exactly through the roof

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 9, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, my sarcasm didn’t really come through there. -1 for myself

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think you and I might need to sit through the “BigJoe” sarcasm for dummies class.

"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST

by scstrato on Jan 9, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i’m not the one who was being sarcastic..

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 9, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m confused…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was making fun of my attempt at sarcasm in an earlier post. That and I was paying homage to master joe.

"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST

by scstrato on Jan 9, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That type of consistency would make Joe Morgan soil himself…

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jan 9, 2009 6:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

is that a good thing or a bad thing… im a bit confused. Do we want Joe Morgan to soil himself?

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 10, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah we do. imagine the commentary on it. it would be absolutely epic

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 10, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

on the bright side, every time one of these fanposts about someone we discuss every week starts, it lets our latest batch of newbies chime in with their all important (and generally misinformed) thoughts

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 9, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

It’s just funny when they get upset with the responses they receive. Do they expect us to enter into the same discussion half a dozen times every month? SEARCH function, people.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 9, 2009 12:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you know how we have a list of our prospects…is it possible to get a list of all the things we have discussed ad nauseum?

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 9, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i say we take that same package that we would have given smoltz, increase the base salary to 5 mil and offer it to sheets.

he is a guy coming off an injury and he knows it. if he pitches he makes his 12 mil/year deal if he doesnt he’s out 7 mil and braves can prob get some of the 5 mil back from insurance. i would go so far as to give lowe an incentive contract.

3/year at 13 mil
4th year vests with 550 innings pitched in first 3 years (at least 180ish innings per year)
if he completes 30 starts he gets an extra 2 mil each year that he does.

to be honest i believe almost all contracts should be a few million below market value and if they play average it is up to market value and if they are above average the contract goes above market value. but i guess thats just me

by drumzalicious on Jan 9, 2009 2:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Better idea

Give the $$ to Curt Schilling.

I mean, if ATL is gonna pay all that money to a guy who’s unlikely to pitch meaningful innings for them, then why not at least F with the Red Sox while doing it??

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 9, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thats an awesome idea…if FW doesnt do it we should probably fire him

/sarcasm (except the first part, i do like the idea

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 10, 2009 11:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I've always liked Sheets but...

As everybody knows he is a high injury risk, but in his case his agent refuses to hand over his medical papers so there is definately something wrong with him.

"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"

by Falconzfan284 on Jan 11, 2009 1:49 PM EST reply actions 0 recs