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by bravesbeast1985 on Jan 3, 2009 11:09 AM EST
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PrintI have been supporting the notion that the braves should trade for another young starter for a few months know simply because I would like to take Jurrjens and Hanson and combine them with another young arm with potential so that we can have a nice base for our staff heading into next decade. Furthermore, I think right now is the best time to make this type of move so that we can combine some pitchers in their prime with the young offensive talent we will have arriving in Atlanta.
While this is a focus of mine for the braves, it really is apparent that right now, as many of us know, young pitching really is the key to sustained success. I mean, look at last years surprises. The Rays were built up by young pitching (Garza, Shields, Kazmir), the Angels where the best team in baseball largely because of young pitching (Sanders and Santana), and the twins were right there the entire way because of pitchings, as were the dodgers. This years darkhorses, the Giants, Reds, and perhaps A's, are all there because of the young pitching they have established.
My biggest point is that when you have the Yankees, the Mets, the Cubs, and The Red Sox all having their big spending spree, it makes a lot of people discouraged about baseball since they have feel only a few teams will compete for a title. However, I actually find the sport of baseball more intriguing now than ever. I am going to love watching the Rays and Yanks duking it out again, and also watching the A's, Twins, Reds, and Giants using the young talent they developed to be the catalyst for their success.
This simple reason is what makes baseball so great. There are so many different ways for teams to have success. You can spend wads of money, have timely hitting, put together a great bullpen, have a great defense, play smallball, rely on the farm, etc. While this post is meant to point out that a core of young pitching seems to be the shrewd way to develop a team nowadays, it seems that every team has the ability to put together two or three ways of success and have a chance. I mean, while you do have the Rays and Pirates in the majors, the Rays are there to show you that anyone truely does have a chance. The question is whether or not you have the patience to let it all come together, or do you blow it all up when it seems to not be working on the first try. For the Braves, I applaud wren's efforts to let the young talent emerge, as this seems to be the way to not only generate success, but maintain it. With that being said, my only suggestion is now for the braves to generate another avenue towards getting a young arm to have a very bright future.
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At least he didn’t make any specific suggestions in this post …
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
The usual....
My number 1 target would be jonathan sanchez, as I feel he may be able to be gotten at a bargain. I also would not mind taking on snell in a reclamation project, and I also feel that any of the twins pitchers could be had at a discount because they have so many.
what about
pitchers from toronto, san fran, and tampa?
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 7:36 PM EST up reply actions
the toronto that just lost its number 2 to free agency and another young starter for all of next year?
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yeah, the same toronto
that lead mlb in era, complete games, was 7th in K’s and 2nd in opp ba…that same toronto whos “#2” had its highest era for starters, and who only has 1 sp making more than 1 million dollars…that toronto, who has some of the best young pitching talent in the majors even without burnette.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions
why would they trade any of their young starters who are still under control for years? the one most likely to be traded would be halladay, and that won’t happen for another 7 months.
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mr all-knowing
let me guess…you know every move that managers and gms will make or not make. you are never surprised by any personnel moves or decisions. gms always do the sensible thing and never make questionable moves…
anyway, here is the answer as to why it is possible: the blue-jays are doing nothing to improve their team. they play in a division with the redsox, yankees, and AL champ Rays. they more than likely will finish no better than 4th in their division. they have a plethora of starting pitching and virtually no offense to speak of. it would behoove them to trade some of what they have abundance of in order to increase what they lack. simple economics.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
oh pray tell what we would give up. FREDDIE FREEMAN FOR JESSE LITSCH! please. look at that little prospects list on the left toolbar and notice all the pitchers listed. we have absolutely nothing they want, unless you wanna propose something ludicrous, like KELLY JOHNSON FOR JESSE LITSCH, which may plug one hole but creates another. what makes the jays young pitching better than our young pitching? does jesse litsch have some sort of drug addiction that will force the jays to trade him for pennies on the dollar as opposed to keeping him since he’s not even arb-eligible yet?
none of their young pitching is going to come to us off a deal of “ZOMG MARTIN PRADO AND JOJO REYES!!!” its going to take a mint, because they’re all under team control for years. just because theres a surplus doesn’t mean they’re going to give anyone away for the first offer they get.
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brilliant!
so you are basically saying that some negotiations will have to take place…wow. i didnt know they did that in baseball!
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 8:34 PM EST up reply actions
and you’re essentially saying “i’m randomly throwing names out there even though theres no logical way this would happen”. well done sir.
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not quite
i am saying that there are people out there, and i gave examples of the kinds of people i am talking about, that the braves, i think, will surprise us with. you are replying to everything i am saying with “why would that happen” or “that wont happen” like you know it all. like i said before, if everything that happened always made sense, you would be right. but to simply rule out options because you dont think they would happen is stupid. and you never addressed how signing garland or someone like him is worse than our current #4 and #5 starters.
if i am bothering you by thinking outside the box and naming people who would be GREAT additions to the braves, instead of rambling on and on about the same names that we have heard for months now (ie, dunn, lowe, etc…) then my bad. I didnt realize that every post on this blog has to have bigjoes approval.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
they’re not realistic. i’d like to trade casey kotchman straight up for albert pujols. that would sure make our team better. and its outside the box.
see where i’m coming from?
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no i dont
so you are saying that it is unrealistic for the braves to be willing to offer a package for jake peavy, but not jesse litsch or some other player of that calibre?
are you saying that should keep prospects that MAY be good players instead of signing a YOUNG player like a dan haren who is proven to be very good at the MLB level? Dont get me wrong, i am not advocating that we sell the farm for one player. But, if we could package something like Morton/Reyes, one of the OF prospects and a couple other players (like a locke or even kotchman) without offering the likes of freeman or heyward or hanson, i am completely fine with that and would expect that the backs would at least LISTEN to that offer. Anything is possible.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
are you crazy? dude. i’m going to spell this out for you.
dan haren is signed for a pretty affordable contract for the next 4 years. prior to last season, the diamondbacks gave up 5 of their top 15 prospects for him.
why on earth would you think they would be willing to discuss a package from us that includes 2 of our top 15 prospects, and none of our top 5?
i’m honestly curious of what you’re thinking here. they play in the NL west. they finished 2 games out last season, and return a nearly identical team. why would they even consider trading their 1A starter?
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You missed it
I never said haren was the man the braves need to get. I simply used his name as an example of the kind of players that i am talking about that are out there. but, since you want to talk about a haren trade i will.
Why would AZ think about trading him? well, let’s look at their division in which they finished only 2 games out of last season:
LA – assuming a signing of Manny have to be the run-away favorites to win the division
SF- with the pitching staff they now have are a serious dark horse
Col – just a year removed from a world series appearance, but pretty bad last year.
AZ – missed playoffs last year. lost the worst division in baseball by two games. have lost a few pieces of that team and have failed to replace them or get better anywhere else. They are pretty much treading water while SF and LA are building.
more to follow…
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
of course
when i bring in logic and reasoning to counter your closed-minded, “it’ll never happen” thinking, you have no response…
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions
...continued...
while i agree that getting AZ to let go of Haren will take some impact players, i dont think it would be as difficult as you think. Like i previously mentioned, they are in the worst division in baseball and have done nothing so far to take advantage of that. If they want to compete with LA (assuming they sign manny) they will need to upgrade their team. They currently have 34 year old augie ojeda as their starting 2b with his whopping .235 career ba and all 6 of his career HRs and 60 RBIs. Suffice it to say, they need a 2b badly. we have 2 solid ML 2bs – johnson and prado. they would be the centerpiece of a deal. KJ, morton/reyes (to give AZ a mlb-ready pitcher to replace haren – not as a #2, but somewhere in the rotation), and one of our OF prospects (to replace Byrnes in a few years for AZ) and another low-class prospect or two should do it.
This fills an immediate need of Atlanta without costing too much. we replace johnson with prado, and the other prospects arent much of a loss, considering the depth of our farm system. we dont have to include the exact positions that AZ used to get Haren from Oakland like another poster mentioned.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
lemme stop you right there. their starting second baseman is felipe lopez., whom they just signed. their starting shortstop is stephen drew, so don’t bring out the ZOMG HE’S GONNA BE THE SHORTSTOP card. their average team age is 26. this is not a team of veterans that needs to be blown up and has to start over. these guys are only going to get better. why should they trade away an important piece of their future when they’re set at every position on the field with a player who is 28 years or younger?
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ok
i forgot about that lopez deal…my bad there. but i am pretty sure that i never said anything about moving anyone to ss, so dont put words in my mouth to try to make a point.
ok, so haren looks even less likely as a deal, but you are still missing the point. why cant you at least admit that there are probably conversations going on right now between atlanta and other teams that concern players who havent been mentioned. players that will be surprises to everyone. and i like how you take one thing i say out of many things i have said and try to run with it like it was my main point…like haren, when i mentioned at least 4 other names, or toronto’s pitching when i mentioned 3 other teams with good young pitching.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
ok.
tampa traded their extra pitcher, and the rest is still too raw.
toronto’s surplus pitching is either hurt or returning from injury.
the giants have given no indication that they want to trade sanchez, and their REAL young pitching is still a ways away.
teams aren’t looking to trade young cheap pitching. they’re looking to trade older pitchers under contract (see: harang, aaron)
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toronto
is still a viable option. they have so much SP it is rediculous. teams will always trade people if the price is right.
now, having said all of that, i want to say that i am perfectly fine with Wren not making ANY moves. I believe that our prospects will have us in some serious contention in 2010. but, i would like to get a SP from somewhere, be it a young stud or a veteran to help with our 09 season. i think bedard would be a great addition (call it a hunch). again, there are tons of names out there and you cannot, no matter how hard you try, deny that.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
“they have so much SP it is rediculous.”
???? With Burnett gone and Marcum out for TJ, they have don’t have a surplus in SP.
Young, good SP that’s under years of control is very expensive to trade for, especially since that’s what rebuilding teams build around. Someone like Jurrjens for example (Jurrjens now, not when the Braves traded for him) has more trade value than Jake Peavy since his salary will be close to nill versus $15M a year and the injury risk is lower due to less mileage on the arm.
Personnel is not the only way to upgrade a team
The Diamondbacks offense was and still is comprised mostly of young players. In fact they have only gotten younger with the departure of Orlando Hudson. Their players will continue to grow and develop as they already have in previous years. It would be irresponsible to trade away Haren whom they have slated as their “talent to build around” for anything short of an offer even more ridiculous than you would suggest.
yeah, about haren
haren was never the point of my post. he was simply an example. i forgot about the felipe lopez deal that AZ made. in fact, the gaping hole they had at 2b was the only premise for any potential trade i would suggest for haren.
and the offer isnt that rediculous, if they had that hole at 2b still. but, since lopez is there now, the offer wouldnt work.
jesse litsch would still be viable though, and i would be thrilled to death to see him in a brave’s uniform. and there are others out there too. again, haren was just an example (and apparently a bad one) of what i am talking about.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
Dude
there has been no logic or reasoning in any of your posts
Only pointless space wasting fantasy, Thinking outside the box is not synonymous with fronting incredibly naive and outrageous ideas that are only unique because others have too much restraint to say them.
Anyone who can mention a package designed to acquire Jake Peavy and a package designed to acquire Jesse Litch in the same sentence does not have the mental capacity or credibility to participate in fantasy baseball let alone this blog.
Please stop now and save what dignity you could possibly have left.
wow...
you apparently need to get laid, big time. you completely missed the point of that post too. if atlanta can afford to put together a package for jake peavy, why could they not put together a package for jesse litsch??? there is plenty of logic in that question – especially considering it would take far less to acquire litsche than it would have to acqure peavy.
and if i dont have the mental capacity to participate in fantasy baseball, why did i win my league a year ago? i am still not sure what fantasy baseball has to do with this blog anyway…
and if we are talking about dignity, i am pretty sure that i am not the one randomly lamblasting posts. i have no problem admitting when i am wrong (as i have already done here) and therefore should not have lost any credibility either – especially considering only 2 of the 6 or 7 names that i have mentioned have even been debated, and only 1 of those discussions ended with me being wrong.
you should try to calm yourself down and be happy in life…you will have more friends that way.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
My favorite –
they have so much SP it is rediculous.
Have you even bothered to look up WHO Toronto has in their pitching staff? Don’t worry, I’ll do it for you:
1. R. Halladay
2. J. Litsch
3. D. McGowan
4. D. Purcey
5. S. Marcum
6. S. Richmond
The problem with this list is that McGowan is recovering from shoulder surgery and probably won’t be ready until June, unless some kind of miracle happens and Marcum WILL MISS ALL OF 2009 AFTER HAVING TOMMY JOHN SURGERY. That leaves them with 4 (FOUR) pitchers to fill out there rotation, so your theory that they would gladly go out and trade off the 2nd best pitcher they do have remaining is outlandish.
Please, listen to people when they tell you to stop making a fool of yourself.
"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST
they apparently want to use casey janssen and scott downs in the rotation as well…but janssen missed all of last year, and downs seems better suited to be a reliever, so yeah.
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Exactly our point
They’re filling their rotation with relievers because they don’t have enough starters. So why would they trade one?
"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST
he was the one who first said they dont want to trade any starters… he was just pointing out Tor does have some other guys.. who could be starters but arnte quite worth anything yet (outside of the value they have as relievers)
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Ever Heard
of them bringing up other guys? They are deep at SP, and to argue against that is rediculous. They have good young talent almost ready/already ready to come up in 09-10. Guys like Seth Overby, Brett Cecil, Brad Mills, Ricky Romero and Mark Rzepczenski, throw in the two relivers they are thinking about putting in the starting rotation and you have at least 8 or 9 MLB ready pitchers – thus making some tradeable.
Again, if talking about POSSIBILITIES bothers you guys, i guess i am in the wrong place. I thought this was thread was asking the question “Who would you like to see atlanta get/what do you think they will do,” not, "let’s all be jackasses and keep talking about the same names that we have heard about for 2 months now, yet still have seen nothing done…When Wren surprises everyone and lands someone we havent been talking about, you all owe me an apology.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
FYI, among those pitchers, only romero is on the 40-man.
he’s also the only one to throw more than 30 innings at AAA.
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understood
but we arent talking about the 40-man. we are talking about guys that they have that COULD fill their rotation. not all pitchers pitch at AAA before being called up either. My point is that to say that Toronto is thin in the rotation is just not true. They have many options available and can afford to trade one of their young studs to improve where they are weak – and that is on the Offensive side of the ball.
If you want to rule out this trade possibility because you dont like it, fine. But don’t make things up and say that they are weak at SP. They are one of the deepest teams in the ML at that spot.
I love how you guys still ignore the 6 or 7 other names i mentioned and just pick on 1 or 2…and then try to make me look like a retard for throwing out options. I can admit I was wrong about Haren and Arizona, why cant you all admit you are wrong about Toronto? I am not talking specifically about Litsch. I said “Someone LIKE him” – young, under the radar, very talented. geez…you guys must want to keep this a 7 or 8 person website. I mean, shoot, you are all so friendly and all….I thought this would be a cool place to come and interact with othe braves fans about things atlanta could do this offseason, I didnt know this was a “you must think like all of us or we will jump all over you” thread…
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
If all the guys you listed are ready
Then I guess so is Hanson, Rohrbough, etc.
The Jays WERE deep at SP until their #2 left and two other starters got injured.
ok
Hanson very well may be in our rotation next year…and the jays still ARE deep at SP. if you count the two relievers they want to start, add in Romero, take away Marcum due to his TJ surgery, you still have 8 MLB-ready SPs…last i checked, teams only used 5 in a rotation.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 6:22 PM EST up reply actions
you’re counting 2 guys who were absolutely hideous as starters and have flourished as relievers that the jays are stupidly trying to move back into the rotation, and a guy coming back from major arm surgery.
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not only am i counting them
so are the Jays.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions
show me an article that says “the jays are going into camp with 8 starting pitchers and are looking to deal”
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There isnt one
that is why this whole conversation exists…because it is something that nobody is talking about right now in the media. there may be a reason they arent talking about it, sure. but that isnt the point. the point of me posting this was thinking about possible options that nobody is talking about.
Show me an article that says “Toronto is hurting for starting pitching and is not willing to or in a position to deal any of their pitchers”
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
Clay Bucholtz
The Sox offered him and Ellsbury for Hanley Ramirez and were rebuffed. Wonder what it would take to get him or maybe both?
McCann is probably the only player in our system that could land us those two and we arent going down that road
by jeg on Jan 3, 2009 8:50 PM EST up reply actions
speaking of reclamation projects...
what about getting someone like a Bedard?
I think we will land someone who hasnt even been talked about yet – like a dan haren or jesse litsch.
I also would like to see us, if we dont land anyone through a trade, sign a john garland or a freddy sanchez…who knows what will happen, but whatever we do, our rotation CANT be any worse off than it is right now…
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 7:35 PM EST reply actions
bigjoe will textually(is that a word?) rape you for advocating we sign Garland. And no one is going to stop him. We’re all just going to stand around and watch.
-1000 for being a dick.
I have a rape whistle and a stun gun...
so bring it on.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions
oh, one more thing
bigjoe’s opinion doesnt really matter to me, i will still sleep tonight as i always do.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
how in the fuck are dan haren and jesse litsch remotely similar?
jon garland is a terrible pitcher
and freddy sanchez is a middle infielder for the pirates who’s not a free agent.
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typo/brain fart
i meant freddy garcia…
and in the context of my post, haren and litsch are similar in that they are names of two solid pitchers who nobody is talking about as trade possibilities for atlanta.
and even if garland is a “terrible” pitcher (which he isnt, or he wouldnt be employed my MLB) he is an upgrade over our #4 and #5 starters, both named “Questionmark”.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
you’re nuts, right? the dbacks acquired haren for FIVE TOP PROSPECTS last season. why in the name of all that is holy would they trade him?
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why is the sky blue?
why did hitler attack russia? why did napolean cross the rubicon? why did chris webber call that time out? the question “why” can be asked all day about everything. as long as there are possibilities in the world, the question “why” is never a good one.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
two top prospects and a couple back end starters and a A ball 1st basemen actually. or roughly the equivalent of Heyward, Rohrbough, Reyes, Morton, and Freeman
by jeg on Jan 3, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
agreed. I hope the Tex trade might have injected a little “prospect conservatism” into the organization
by jeg on Jan 3, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions
the teixeira bounty wasn’t that steep, though. we dealt from our strengths in that one…but in this? nooooooo. we desperately need impact bats at the corners, which is what we’d be giving up.
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r u saying Kotchman isnt an impact bat?
come on ur crazy.. i like u but ur crazy
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
but strengths are fleeting and those players could have been used to address the biggest need in baseball, starting pitching. We are going to have to become the type of team that develops our own talent, uses our financial resources to retain that talent, and uses free agency for minor additions instead of major ones. Had we acquired a top 5 ML SS, C, CF, or SP, the tex bounty wouldn’t have been too steep but it stings for a 1B, even one as good as tex
by jeg on Jan 4, 2009 4:10 AM EST up reply actions
Freddy Sanchez is a 3rd Basemen
I assume you mean Freddy Garcia who pitched 68 innings combined in the past two seasons, and as for Jon Garland he has the highest ERA 4.90 of any pitcher to pitch 198+ innings. Adding a 5.00 ERA to any pitching staff can be considered a downgrade, especially for the money he’ll ask for
sweet...
you obviously have trouble reading through things before you mouth off (or type off, in this case) about them…you should probably read my post from 4:51PM and you will see that you are a day late and a dollar short in trying to discredit me.
garcia would be a recclamation project, which was the point of this post originally, so you have no point in saying he was hurt the past two years. we all know that. let’s move on.
garland is a definate upgrade (and you know ERA is not a good stat to use anyway) over our curent #4 and #5 pitchers…who remaine nameless.
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 11:14 PM EST up reply actions
btw, freddy sanchez is a 2b, not 3b...
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 3, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
not when
he is listed as the starting 2b for the pirates…is chipper a ss? is rick ankiel a SP?
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by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 12:05 AM EST up reply actions
Jeff Passan of Yahoo comments on Braves offseason
The Braves are like the guy who tried to land the prettiest girl at school, failed, downscaled to a solid 7 but got stood up on prom night and ended up going stag and spending the evening nursing a drink, in a corner, all alone.
All right. So maybe they did end up with a date. But she’s got braces and bad breath. Such is Javier Vazquez’s metaphorical legacy.
heres a better analogy
the braves are like the guy who has a prom date all set up, buys the tickets, rents the tux, and then a week before the prom, the girl pulls out and the braves are too embarrassed to go to the prom alone, pissing away all the money they had already spent.
in another words, i am the atlanta braves offseason.
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i just want to know when and where the massive amounts of whiskey come in to play?
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
ok first off i want to say i am quite dissapointed that atlsportsfrk has left us already…. he came with such a flourish and whoosh he is gone.
and i didnt even have time to pick my new signature…. time moves so quickly
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
Damn
Does that mean I have to remove mine?
"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST
this is a new development.. .instead of having normal trolls rooming the halls of TC…. the trolls are getting smarter… they are piggybacking onto more experienced members.. while attacking newbies (scrubs reference). Its disturbing.
"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."
Great end to this thread. Good stuff.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
It’s like, I go out with my buddies and watch some football, then go hang out at somebody’s house for a while, get home around 3am, and I come here to sift through like 500 completely insane posts. And this happens every other day. Freaking crazy.
And for anyone with this problem: It’s spelled ‘ridiculous’!
haha
+1 for being able to spell.
best defensive shortstop in baseball hahahahahahahahahah (omar visquel)
Why did we trade for Texeria?
I didn’t feel like starting a whole other FanPost so I just made this here. How come we went out and got Tex. We would have Feliz, and Andrus (2 top caliber prospects) still in our system along with a few other guys I’ll let the stat guys name when they argue this later. I’m not looking to pick a fight because after reading this website for about a week I have learned if you question or disagree with Wren people get very angry. I just want somebody to explain this trade to me.
"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"
we’ve only been over this maybe like 40 times.
we had a legitimate shot at the playoffs. he did what he was brought in to do. i’d do it again 100 times out of 100
BIG JOE SUCK ONE
Big Joe chill out like I said I’ve only been on this site for about a week.
"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"
by Falconzfan284 on Jan 4, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
and Damn you
Boston College…you just beat my Heels.
"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -
by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Ya
Go BC
"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"
by Falconzfan284 on Jan 4, 2009 11:09 PM EST up reply actions
You have a rep
And you could of said it without saying “we’ve only been over this maybe like 40 times”.
"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"
by Falconzfan284 on Jan 4, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions
Wren didnt trade for Tex
JS did. But, I agree with Bigjoe here. The trade made sense at the time and you cannot tell me that you disapproved of it when it happened. I don’t think we will be missing Andrus with Yunel at the helm (unless of course we want to be able to trade one of them). We could have used Harrison this coming season, but we have pitching help on the way.
"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -
by justincredubil02 on Jan 4, 2009 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
I didn’t say Wren traded for Tex. I don’t love Wren but I don’t dislike him either. Your probably right about everything you said but you did fail to mention the lack of a very important prospect in this deal (Neftali Feliz). I don’t think we have a guy who can match his triple-digit fastball in our system.
"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"
by Falconzfan284 on Jan 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions
Just so there is not any confusion this post was directed towards justincredubil02.
"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"
by Falconzfan284 on Jan 4, 2009 11:15 PM EST up reply actions
Have you bothered to look at Feliz’s numbers at the time we traded him?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 5, 2009 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
And how come people aren’t up in arms about us trading away Santos Rodriguez? His numbers are similar to Feliz at the time he was traded. Or is everyone going to wait until Santos doesn’t flame out to start bitching?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 5, 2009 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
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