Braves back off from Dunn

I doubt were even that close with Swisher right now. The Yankees got him for nothing but I doubt they will give him up for nothing. I think that Morton, B. Jones, and Prado is enough for him but Yankee fans on other websites are really overrating this guy.

by jack dein on Jan 29, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I think

that is WAY too much for him. I am thinking ONE of those guys and maybe one or two other lower-level prospects.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 29, 2009 6:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think its to much to but what I was getting at is what the Yankees might take for him. Personally I don’t even want him. I really don’t think that he’s that good.

by jack dein on Jan 29, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Here’s a question. Would Swisher get the contract he currently has if he was a free agent right now?
2009:$5.3M, 2010:$6.75M, 2011:$9M,
2012:$10.25M club option ($1M buyout)
Doesn’t that affect his trade value?

by BravesFan on Jan 29, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So he’s owed $21M over 3 years or $31.25M over 4 years. I think he would get that or more. However last year would be a hard year to judge him on. He was definatly not as good last year as his averages show. Was last year a fluke, probably but he has never been a high average guy. He should be in his prime right now so to have a year like that is a bit strange. In this years free agent market I think he would have gotten something close to what Ibanez got.

by jack dein on Jan 29, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

As I explained below, Swish is a 3-4 win player, meaning he could justify a contract that paid him approx. $15M/year.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 2:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wow $15 mill a year for Swisher? Riiiiiiiight.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Right

He was worth $14.5M in 2007, his last year with the A’s. Up until last year, his values had been steadily increasing. Approx. $8M in 2005 (age 24), $12M in 2006 (age 25), and $14.5M in 2007 (age 26).

Last year was obviously an off year with the bat, but there’s no reason to think he can’t pick up right where he left off.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think his detractors have never heard of BABIP

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 30, 2009 1:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you talking about fantasy baseball or you’re own fantasy? Swisher is no where near worth $15 mil a year in this market.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Fangraphs.com

You can learn alot there.

by bravesfan91 on Jan 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sigh

I’m talking about his win values, based on his hitting, fielding, and baserunning contributions over replacement.

Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to understand.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 1:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’ve been to fangraphs many times. Great site for stat geeks. Anyway, Swisher’s production does not, in any way, warrant a $15 mil a year salary. You’re in a fantasy stat world.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 1:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why am I even responding to this???

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

My sentiments exactly.

No worries, we’re just coming from different places on this.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Players salaries are dictated by supply and demand in the current market just like any other business; not by stats and what the guy’s BABIP was last year. Not that I expect you to understand.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Don’t the stats directly reflect the supply and demand?

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought you learned your lesson the last time? =)

"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST

by scstrato on Jan 30, 2009 1:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha, which last time?

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 1:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well yes, and Swisher’s stats would indicate he’s worth around $6 mil considerring what other players of his caliber have signed for. Do you agree or do you think he’s worth $15 mil like Yakker would like you to believe.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I tend to lean more towards Yakker’s line of thinking, but I was just curious if you are taking his entire career into account or just basing your value on primarily last season’s numbers. And it seems to me it’s the later.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well what player with Swisher’s career stats have signed for $15 mil a year recently?

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t mean career stats, I meant have you taken his past several seasons into account. And I never said that $15mil was an acceptable number. I think that may be a little too high.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I was taking his overall career into consideration, but there’s no question he had his worst year last year. I think he would be comparable to Burrell at best in terms of monetary figures. Burrell is a little better at the plate while Swisher is far superior in defense. Don’t get me wrong, I like Swisher alot, but I don’t think he’s worth more than his current contract in this market.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

So you think Carlos Silva should be making more money than Nick Swisher? Maybe that’s a bad comparison since they play vastly different positions. Jim Edmonds perhaps? He was making more than Swisher last season and didn’t deserve to.

I’d be willing to go as high as $12 million for Swisher…he deserves it much more than a guy like Jose Guillen.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree. Guillen is terrible. Silva and Guillen are just awful contracts who were signed when the free agent market was at a high. Sure, you can sign Swisher to $12 mil a year, but I doubt there will be any team that offers more than $7-8mil a year for his services. Who knows, maybe by the 2nd or 3rd year of Swisher’s contract, he may look like an incredible bargain. I’m simply looking at comparables from this year’s free agent pool since if we trade for him, it will be this off-season.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess I just disagree…I find Swisher more valuable than Burrell (since you brought him up earlier), and would pay him more per season than the contract Burrell just received.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Supply and demand is part of it and I agree that $15M a year is too much for Swisher in the current FA market, especially off of a bad year, but but ignoring stats when it comes to salaries is pretty ridiculous. I guess C.C. Sabathia didn’t get a 9 figure contract for stats like strikeouts and innings, but instead got his contract because of the scarcity of 300 lbs pitchers.

"OBP is not a production number, and should not be used as something he achieved."

by VictorW on Jan 30, 2009 1:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

well since Wells retired a few years back who else is their int eh 300 lb club

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 30, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You are right. I may have worded that incorrectly. Stats are very relevant when taking supply and demand into the equation. Bonds may have been worth $15 mil last year, but there was no demand even though he put up great stats the year before. He offered to play for the minimum. This is an extreme case obviously.

by BravesFan on Jan 30, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Look

I’m not advocating signing Swisher for $15M per year. But that is what he is worth.

Like SB, I think $12M is as high as I would go for Swish in 2009. Good thing is, we don’t have to make that call, as he is under contract for at least 3 more years at significantly less than $12M/year.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There's a big difference

Between a player’s true value, and his perceived value. Just because he’s worth $15 million based on his production, that doesn’t mean he can get that on the market. Remember that a lot of GM’s don’t visit fangraphs or care about any of the advanced stats, regardless of how much insight they may provide. Dusty Baker still has a job…

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jan 30, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Replace Morton with Gorkys or Schafer

They’re loaded on pitching prospects, they’ll be looking for one of our CF prospects, a 4th OF/utility guy (Blanco or Prado), and something extra.

by Lennox on Jan 29, 2009 8:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

There is no effin way Wren trades Gorkys or Schafer for either one. The Yankees can sniff around them all they want.

by soup du jour on Jan 29, 2009 9:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think it would be a bad trade for us

But I think that’s what the Yankees will be looking for, it’s not like they have to dump salary, they’re only going to trade Swisher if it would make their team better than, you know, actually having Swisher for the next 3 years.

by Lennox on Jan 29, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

B. Jones/Diaz, Blanco, and FYF manning the outfield is giving me wood just thinking about it.

by get swoll yunel on Jan 29, 2009 7:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Well…I’d prefer him over Nady if we have to have one of the two…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 29, 2009 7:28 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Andruw in CF

Last man standing of Blanco, Anderson, and BJones platoons with Diaz in LF. Francoeur bats cleanup.

by Lennox on Jan 29, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Andrew is not coming to ATL. Scott Boras said the Braves are not going to add him to there 40men roster, cancel that option. This is what the Braves should do: Sign Dunn and Ohman!

by AlRoBraves95 on Jan 29, 2009 8:04 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

We only have $5-9M left to spend. Dunn would take at least $8M. I really don’t think that Ohman is going to take $1M to come back. He is going to get at least $2M and probably more.

by jack dein on Jan 29, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Eh... I don't get this...

Both Swisher and Dunn are ~2.5 win players. Swisher is a plus defender in a corner, Dunn is below average. Dunn, however, is a better hitter. If we had to simply pick between the two with no regard as to price, I’d take Swisher. He’s younger, and I think Dunn’s defense may well be DH quality at this point.

Unfortunately, that’s not the decision we have here. We can pick Dunn off the bargain bin without even surrendering a compensation pick, whereas we’ll have to give up young talent for Swisher. I’m not opposed to making a deal for him – he’s probably ~ 1.5 wins better than Diaz next year. I don’t quite know what the Yankees would want – their lineup is pretty much set. If they want a utility guy, we have a number of those we can deal. If they want young pitching, I would be all for trading one of our many back of the rotation types – Parr, Reyes, Morton, etc.

The good news here is that KJ is very unlikely to be part of this deal – Cano has a lock on 2B in the Bronx. If we can get Swisher for the cheap, this would be a real steal for us.

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 29, 2009 8:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ok, by the way, I didn't get it at first, then talked myself into it. Disregard the title of my previous post.

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 29, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Swish is another one of those players that I’ve always liked, but never thought that I would get a chance to root for him.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 29, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This may be a bit speculative...

but let’s say that Wren flips a few back of the rotation/utility types for Swisher. Do the haters shut it at that point, because by my count, that would be his second fleecing in this offseason.

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 29, 2009 8:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the haters are never going to stop

if they STILL are hating on Wren (even after all he has done so far) they will never be satisfied.

He could land Manny Ramirez for 3 years/10 million and trade blanco straight up for Peavy and sign sheets to a 1 year 1 million contract, and people would still hate.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 29, 2009 8:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't go that far

though some of them would kill him over ManRam

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 29, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

anyone who complains about Manny at 3/10 should be escorted off the premises immediately… that would be the craziest signing ever and by far the best deal in the history of baseball. he is easily worht $20… according to fangraphs

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 29, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i think

that even i would approve of that…i couldnt handle manny’s attitude along with his massive contract, but were we to get him at a STEAL…i think i could suck that one up.

(no smart-ass comments, justin!)

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 29, 2009 9:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

wouldnt be the fist time u suck it up (literally and in sexual innuendo form (in your endo))

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 29, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

dangit! I said no comments!

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 29, 2009 10:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

thats the only reason i said anything

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 30, 2009 12:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think that if Manny had to settle for a deal like that, he would pout for 3 years and intentionally drag ass.

by 10-4 on Jan 30, 2009 8:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I knew someone wouldn't like it!

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 30, 2009 8:57 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m not sure how you figure Swisher is worth approx. 2.5 wins.

Just ballparking it, but I’d guess he’s really more like 3.5 or 4 wins as a full-time LF, assuming his offense bounces back to anywhere near his 2006/07 levels (and there’s very good reason to assume it will, given his fluky low BABIP in 2008).

Give Swish a little boost on defense for playing LF full time and you’re looking at somewhere between 3.5 – 4 wins, IMO.

Reasonable minds can differ about whether the extra 1 to 1.5 wins, less salary, and better aging risk is worth dealing quality prospects to NYY, but I don’t think it’s correct to say that Dunn and Swish have equal value.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 1:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

Over the last four years, Dunn has averaged 2.6 wins above replacement per year. Over that same time period, Swisher has averaged 2.45. If Swisher were to post a .355 wOBA in 600 plate appearances while playing +5 defense, he would be 3 wins above replacement. During that same time period, if Dunn is posting a .380 wOBA with -12.5 defense, he is worth 2.8 wins. So, to me, they aren’t really that different in terms of overall value. Swisher, being younger and more athletic, is certainly my preference, but Dunn isn’t significantly better or worse.

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 30, 2009 8:11 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Questions

1. Why assume +5 defense from Swisher? It’s probably too much to expect Swisher to replicate his LF UZR/150 from 2008 of 35.6, but I could certainly see giving him a +15 for LF. He’s athletic, has good speed, makes smart reads, and will be compared against a much weaker pool of outfielders.

2. Why average in Swisher’s obviously outlying 2008 win values? If we just look at 2005-07, he looks more like a 3 win player easy, and that’s with the ding he took for playing some CF.

3. Why assume “only” -12.5 defense from Dunn, when in LF he looks more like a -15. That may not make a huge diference, but then again it may.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, and

I know that now I’m being petty, but I’d also throw in a +5 for Swish for his baserunning skills, which are pretty good.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well...

I don’t really think it’s necessary to add up +5 for baserunning – some baserunning is measured in wOBA.

I went with +5 mainly because it was conservative. I don’t ever like to assume that a guy is going to remain static, and fielding is one of those things that goes very quickly. For his carrer, Swisher is +6 in left and +14 in right. I would like to think he’s realistically in the middle there – left and right aren’t that different. He’s also -10.5 in center. So, to me, 5 is a little conservative, but not so much as to make a huge difference. Maybe +7.5 is a better call.

As for Dunn’s defense, -14 or so seems more reasonable than my original -12.5. Again, it’s not a big difference, but you are probably right that I was a bit optimistic there.

Overall, you seem to be right – I was underestimating Swisher. +4 seems like a decent estimate of his abilities.

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 30, 2009 1:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Cool

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 4:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh

I too noticed that Swisher grades out higher in RF than in LF. Given that the positions are virtually identical from a player’s standpoint (once we forget about throwing arm) and that the competition is generally weaker in LF, I wonder if that’s just an anomaly?

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

In those situations, I tend to just average the two as a best estimate of a defender's talent

by BraveBronco0121 on Jan 30, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn’s career UZR/150 in LF is -9.6 so if you extrapolate that to 162 games, that’s -10.36. He’s gotta worse in recent years, but -12.5 sounds more reasonable than -15.

+15 is too generous for Swisher on defense as well since he’s never reached that outside of small sample size. I think +10 is a more reasonable estimate and +10 runs on defense is very good.

Anyway, if you expect a full bounceback from Swisher, then 3.5 wins sounds great. I’ll even buy him being a 4 win player because if you throw in some park adjustments and a league switch, his offense will improve. If you park and league adjust, I think Dunn and Swisher actually end up about the same offensively.

"OBP is not a production number, and should not be used as something he achieved."

by VictorW on Jan 30, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

I do expect a full offensive bounceback from Swisher. The BABIP and LD% just don’t add up. Plus, it wasn’t like his walk rates plunged or K-rates soared. Although there’s obviously some risk that he’s collapsed offensively, at 28, I just don’t see it happening.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

why is there reason to assume it will?

i mean, at the end of 2007, swisher was tailing off. last year proved it.

to say he’s worth 3.5-4.0 wins is pretty naive. we base it on last year’s production, not what he MIGHT do. doing so, we could assume that andruw is worth 3.5 wins b/c of defense and the fact that he MIGHT revert back to 2002 form.

nady’s last year has “career year” written all over it.

i still like dunn on a 2 year deal and bring up schafer ONLY for his D (anderson has some d, bu blanco…sheesh). call frenchy what you want, but he’s a pretty ok defender. tell schafer and frenchy to cover for dunn. our weakness is still Lefties with heat and we didn’t give up many prospects…

i like swisher and all, but to say that he’s anything more that what he MIGHT revert back to is pretty naive.

by apoxonbothyourhouses on Jan 30, 2009 12:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If you think that Swisher is likely to replicate his 251 BABIP from 2008 (despite a 20.9 LD%), then we have nothing to talk about.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 30, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Ideal package for Swisher?

And ideal offer to NY for Swisher would:
1) help them noticably, without giving up a high ceiling pitcher
2) include several guys on our 40 man, to make room for Ohman, other FAs, or late cuts
3) shave a little salary

So that means:
1) Matt Diaz — must include, good AL player, positional swap-out for Swisher, saves $2.36m
2) Martin Prado — they need a 2B backup / ulitity guy who can pinch it. I’d prefer we keep Infante, a better fielder in the middle infield and perhaps carry only 2 middle infield backups this year (Omar and Diory) in order to create an extra OF of pitching roster slot.
3) Their pick from among Boone Logan, Eric O’Flaherty, or Jeff Ridgway. To make room for Ohman we need to spit out a LOOGY
4) Josh Anderson — their CFs are questionable and he could be a useful piece as pinch runner and defensive backup for them during the strech. We have one too many CFs w/o power

Admittedly this isn’t a juicy package, they could just be useful pieces for the Yankees. If they insist on more, and our baseball people are sure about Swisher, then we should consider adding:

5) Peter Moylan — if he’s still hooked up with the management team we’re boycotting it would send a useful message. Moylan could pitch every other day to take the pressure off Joba C in the late innings. We’d miss him but with Campillo likely moving to the pen and some good bullpen prospects coming along, we could afford to move Peter. IMHO he would be the jewel in this package, and we should only offer him if need be.

by JimK on Jan 30, 2009 12:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I’d rather not trade Moylan. He proved in the past that when healthy he is a very nice backend bullpen arm, and he doesn’t become a FA until like 2012.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 12:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’d rather not trade Moylan, too, unless our experts are sure Swisher can return to form and give us the outfield power we desperately need.

Moylan was useful as a groundball pitcher who seemed to have a rubber arm. But what about that bone chip growing into his ligament? I guess it’s natural for an Australian to throw underhanded, them being on the other side of the equator and all, but are we sure his pitching style is still conducive to the 80 games he gave us in 2007?

by JimK on Jan 30, 2009 1:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought it would go without saything, but my statement only applies if he he can return to form.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

“ulitity guy who can pinch it”

Now that’s a trait that’s worth something!

by jwrocks on Jan 30, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That deal isn’t like 50 cents on the dollar, thats like a nickel on the dollar. 4 backups and a reliever coming off TJ?

SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES

JOE-BO FOR THE BENCH IN 09

by bigjoe on Jan 30, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

DO NOT TRADE PETER MOYLAN.

His sleeve tattoos alone are worth 2.2 wins a year.

by Euruproktos on Jan 30, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

by Lizziebeth on Jan 30, 2009 10:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Peter Moylan is one of my only dependable relievers in FOM. I have a special place in my heart for him.

SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES

JOE-BO FOR THE BENCH IN 09

by bigjoe on Jan 30, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

AUSSIE AUSSIE AUSSIE!

www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Jan 31, 2009 2:12 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

AWESOME

by Euruproktos on Jan 31, 2009 6:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Dunn

He better get signed for like 15 million per year because if we had a shot at him for say 10 million per year and we don’t get him I’m going to be pissed.

"The only time the Mets win is in the offseason"

by Falconzfan284 on Jan 30, 2009 4:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Just because I can't help myself...

…I went to my favorite non-adult site and found this gem about Adam Dunn: Enjoy

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 5:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Ugh...

…I fail. I meant to single out this particular post: link.

But hell, if you have the time read them all! They’re all fucking great.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 30, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Backing off Dunn?

Who will hit leadoff for us now?

by niekromurphy on Jan 30, 2009 6:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

If some people have their way, a fast guy who doesn’t know how to take a pitch.

In other words,

SWAGGA LIKE BJONES, SWAGGA LIKE BJONES

JOE-BO FOR THE BENCH IN 09

by bigjoe on Jan 30, 2009 10:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I got his autograph a couple years ago and he reminded me of George Lombard so much. They look a tiny bit alike (though admittedly not much), but they walk the same, they have the same mannerisms and they talked the same. Pretty crazy.

www.dropoutproductions.com

by cbwilk on Jan 31, 2009 2:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs