Randy Winn or Aaron Rowand?

by mrrich95 on Jan 2, 2009 11:17 AM EST Comment 55 comments

So here's what I've been hearing about the Giants. They are in the hunt for Manny Ramirez and if they did land him they would have to probably deal either Randy Winn or Aaron Rowand. We obviously still need an outfielder and these two are pretty solid. Winn has had 500 AB's the last 3 seasons. A down year of 262 avg in 2006 but 300 hitter in 07 and 08, he's a switch hitter too.

Rowand had 400 ABs in 2006. followed by 612 and 549. His avg went back and forth 262, 309, 271. I think a 3 year stat look is good enough to compare. Who would you prefer? I would prefer Winn. He'd be a nice compliment for Chipper. Time to think realistic lol.

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This is absurd.

Stop posting on this site.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 2, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Moron

What the hell is wrong with you? Winn is a solid player and better than the 3 OF’s we got. I guess you’re happy with shit in the outfield. At least some of us are trying to come up with ideas. Probably better than what Wren will actually come up with. It would suck having a career 288 hitter in the outfield huh?

by mrrich95 on Jan 2, 2009 11:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Randy Winn is also going to be turning 35 in the middle of the 2009 season. If you haven’t noticed, one of the team’s apparent objectives is to get younger, not older. And power in the outfield is one thing that has been missing, and it’s sad to say, but guess who had one more homer than Randy Winn? Jeff Francoeur.

Aaron Rowand is also a guy I’d rather not see the Braves dump $50 mil into throughout the next four years. I see a guy who played over his head in 2007 to get his fat contract with the Giants, and more or less a career 17HR/70RBI/.270/.325/.410 kind of guy. Not totally horrific numbers overall, but certainly not warranting of $12-13mil a year.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 2, 2009 12:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Winn.

Who cares about age since his numbers were solid and haven’t slip in either of the last two seasons? Moreover, he’s an FA after the season and will only cost $8.25M in 2009, so the commitment is minimal. We could get Randy and cash if the price is too high, or include him in a package deal with Johnathan Sanchez. I’m not actively advocating his acquisition, but it’s far from inane to bring him up. He’s been more valuable than Blanco and Francouer, while being roughly equal to Anderson and Infante despite much more playing time to be exposed. If the price is right, I’d take him for my team…

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 2, 2009 12:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

If Winn is Wren’s answer to the power hitting outfielder we need, than it’s a terrible move.

If he is acquired to start over Blanco/FYF, that’s a different story. But that’s certainly not what the OP was bringing up.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 2, 2009 3:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Do you actually read anything on this site, or merely use it as a platform to purpose your ideas? If you’ve taken the time to read you’d know that I’m not okay with the OF we have now. I’ve already proposed my soluation numerous times dating back to last year. We need a power hitting outfielder. Winn is not that. Citing his BA is meaningless. SHUT THE FUCK UP.

And how the fuck is he a good compliment to Chipper? You want to bat him in between Chipper and McCann?

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 2, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You are a complete dick. Can we trade you for some common courtesy? That’d be the best deal in team history. Go fuck yourself.

by mrrich95 on Jan 2, 2009 3:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No, I just don’t feel the need to start up a fanpost every time that I get a bright idea.

And according to Yakker it appears as though Dave Roberts would be the one who is dealt. Did you even bother to look anything up?

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 2, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes I went to trade rumors buddy. They said they’d move either Roberts, Rowand, or Winn.

by mrrich95 on Jan 2, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Awesome.

You still havn’t answered my question of where in the order Mr. Winn will bat. Saying he’d be a great compliment to Chipper means you either want him hitting 2nd or 4th.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 2, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

With his average, I’d put Winn 2nd giving Chipper more rbi opportunities than with KJ in 2nd. I’d keep Mac in the 4th and drop KJ to 5. I really like the idea of Mac as clean up. Wren seems to like Mac in the 5 spot though.

by mrrich95 on Jan 2, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wouldn’t Winn be better at leadoff? And Escobar bats second and KJ bats 5th? Seems like that looks best to me.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 2, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

That would make sense if Winn had a higher OBP than Kelly, but he doesn’t.

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 4, 2009 1:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You mean less RBI opportunities since KJ is a better hitter than Winn

And Bobby Cox does the lineups, not Frank Wren.

by VictorW on Jan 4, 2009 1:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Hmmm...

Rowand is 31 and thus is likely past his prime, has 4/$44M left on his contract, hasn’t been all that durable and will likely only get worse in that regard, only has an .800 OPS over the past three seasons despite his fluke 2007 proping it up higher than it should be and a thin track record overall, his defense is slipping… shall I go on?

As for Winn, he can block a trade to ten teams, so he’d have to want to end up in Atlanta. That said, I like what he’s done over the last two seasons and this is his walk year, so the commitment is minimal if he fails and he won’t block anyone if he’s just average. If the price is right, I wouldn’t mind getting him.

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 2, 2009 12:16 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Is he ~$8 million better than Blanco/Anderson? Also, with limited resources, his salary is most of what the Braves would spend on that elusive “Impact Bat”. It seems like the Braves already have 3 hitters similar to him in KJ, Escobar, and Kotchmann (obviously, they each have different skillsets, but the OPS is roughly equal). IMO, using prospects and/or payroll on Winn would be counterproductive.

by buzzdeadwax on Jan 2, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1

Great points. Winn is a consistent player and has some positives, but this would be like a move just to make a move — luckily, the Braves have been controlled enough not to do that this year… yet.

by gondeee on Jan 2, 2009 3:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

winn or rowand….winn or rowand…

i’ll take a nail in my dick, actually

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 2, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I have a nail gun. It’s a low PSI gun but it should do the trick.

"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST

by scstrato on Jan 2, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'll bring the hardware

.5 inch nails should do the trick, no?

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 2, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

eyooooooooo

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 2, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

No

Rowand is severely overpaid and an injury risk.

Winn’s not a bad idea, though. He’s due $8.25M and by conservative estimates is a 2-3 win player in LF. Not sure the Giants need to deal him, though. Fred Lewis isn’t exactly knocking down the door for PT. And I think Sabean’s higher priority is dealing Dave Roberts.

Formerly Uncle Charlie of Minor League Ball

by Yakker on Jan 2, 2009 1:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I would be for Winn comin to the Atlanta

as long as we dont have to give up much except eat the remaining of his contract. Is he 8 million better than Blanco? Not sure but no doubt he is much better now than Blanco is without a doubt. And we still have a good bit of cash left to spend so 8M for him doesn’t sound too bad especially since the Braves dont sound too enthusiastic about Dunn or Blanco. Winn is a switch hitter, he has decent pop(hit 10 homers last year and he plays in top 3 pitchers park in baseball, maybe 15 homers playin half his games in Turner field is a possibilty) he can play good defense in LF, he can be our leadoff hitter in 2009, has a good OBP, good average, can steal bases stole 25 last year and only got caught 2 times thats damn good. If we can get him for a prospect that wont ever really amount to much then why not? We have cash to spend and we NEED a LF and Braves FO doesn’t seem to want Dunn or Burrell so Winn seems logical to me.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 2, 2009 6:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

10 homers for a corner OF is decent pop? yeesh

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 2, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well

I would prefer of course more homers from a LF no doubt but if its between Blanco or Brandon Jones or Matt Diaz in LF i would choose Winn. I guess a platoon of Jones or Blanco and Diaz could work good but like i said if we can get Winn without given up much and just eatin the contract then im all for it. But if we dont get Winn then its not a big deal either.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 2, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

“about Dunn or Blanco.”

Meant Dunn or Burrell.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 2, 2009 6:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

When

your statistical reference you put up to show how good a player is is AVG is when everyone here tells you to go find another blog. So please do so.

by Hizilla on Jan 2, 2009 9:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Why dont you go find another blog and dont say SHIT to me no more you piece of shit.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 2, 2009 10:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

I was commenting on the original poster. As to your unintelligible rant, please refer to bigjoe. Thank you, that is all.

by Hizilla on Jan 3, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i think that would involved Rockybull stabbing something into an orifice

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 3, 2009 7:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

when it comes to insults, EVERYONE should take a page from my book

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 3, 2009 7:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

It's nice to be important but it's important to be nice

I don’t get why people can’t be more civil. It’s okay to disagree with people. I’ve had some really interesting discussions on this site with people who used reasoned argument to make their points. I respect that. I don’t get the name calling and personal attacks.

by niekromurphy on Jan 2, 2009 10:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Hizilla

Also since when is a .306 AVG, and a .363 OBP not acceptable? I didn’t just use AVG when i made my point. I added that he plays GOOD LF defense(Which Wren and the Braves WANTS), he HAD a good AVG, good OBP, good Steal ratio(25 steals and only got caught 2 times), he can be our Leadoff guy. I mean Hizilla you are a damn moron. Did you EVEN look at his stats before you spouted off with your big mouth? Why dont you do ALL of us on here a favor and find another blog instead of sayin shit to me or dont tell somebody else to find another blog.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 2, 2009 10:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Oops?

I’m pretty sure Hizilla was refering to the original poster, not you…

Here we go again: http://thefulldeck.blogspot.com/

by ejruiz on Jan 2, 2009 10:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Might have been but i just got done talkin about Average also though talkin about Winn havin a good average so not sure, IF he wasn’t talkin to me then he can ignore my post. But either way why is he tellin somebody to find another blog? If somebody was sayin crap repeadedly and insulting folks all the time then fine he should leave to find another blog but just mentioning a stat on his post shouldn’t warrent somebody tellin him to leave. What you think Gondee and others that run this site think about somebody tellin another poster to leave just because he mentioned a stat? If somebody doesn’t like what that poster says then he can point it out like AVG is not the best stat to use or whatever instead of sayin find another blog.

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 3, 2009 1:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The comment was meant in jest – I agree everyone is welcome, I just hope that people may put a little better thought or analysis into a fanpost – rather than – “hmm I think that guy would be good on the Braves, lets see what people think”

by Hizilla on Jan 3, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

i agree about no need for everybody to just make a fanpost whenever they get an idea. lol

braves#1

by rockybull on Jan 4, 2009 12:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I blame royhobbs.

by Euruproktos on Jan 4, 2009 3:24 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Thank You

Glad someone else is smart to look at stats other than home runs and rbi’s.

by mrrich95 on Jan 2, 2009 11:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

you don’t read this blog much, do you?

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 2, 2009 11:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I’m really glad you used some worthwhile stats to backup your original argument.

by Hizilla on Jan 3, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

batting average, and AT BATS. now THAT is quality analysis

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 3, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Someone will suggest acquiring a pitcher because he has a lot of WINS.

by Hizilla on Jan 3, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What a joke…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 4, 2009 1:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Personally I use sacrifice hits as my #1 offensive stat

I want team players since baseball is a team game.

by VictorW on Jan 4, 2009 1:33 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Using the same reasoning....

HBP is my personal favorite. ;-)

by sddbaker on Jan 5, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Must be a Carlos “The Human Magnet” Quentin fan?

"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST

by scstrato on Jan 5, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

or a francouer fan, since thats one of the only things he can do well

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 5, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

if i remember correctly Craig Biggio is the king of bein in the way of pitches

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 5, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

of the modern era, yes. jason kendall still has PLENTY of time to catch up (54 back, and he’s only 34)

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 5, 2009 8:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

ya hes got a good chance.. the question is will he play long enough…like all great records. you figure he avgs around 16 a year (his avg of 162 games in 20 so i guestimated) which would be an increase over his recent nbrs it would take him a little over 3 years

"We win today, that's two in a row... if we win tomorrow, that's called a winning streak. It has happened before..."

by Swo12bv on Jan 5, 2009 8:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs