Smoltz, blah, blah, blah

by gondeee on Jan 14, 2009 9:27 PM EST in Free Agents Comment 85 comments

John Smoltz has always been a player who has no problem speaking his mind, but put a sock in why don't you. At this point, I have to think he's still convincing himself he made the right decision. Here's the latest, from the Braves AP beat writer:

After the season, [Atlanta Braves GM, Frank Wren] was clear about putting together a new staff without counting on Smoltz and Glavine.

"We have to fill the spots in our rotation without regard for them," the GM said.

"We can't expect them to be in the top of our rotation and say, OK, we're set," Wren said in October. "They have to be add-ons. ... We can't be in a position where we're counting on those guys and they can't perform."

Smoltz said Wren delivered the same message to him.

"Nothing was owed to me," Smoltz said. "But I don't know if I'm just supposed to sit and wait and just hope that the call comes and what if the call doesn't come?"

So what the hell are the Braves supposed to do? Sit and wait for Smoltz to tell them when he's ready... and pay him for it? Meanwhile we keep his spot in the rotation warm with Char-Jo Reyparrton? Boston may have the luxury of paying Smoltz to sit for half a season, heck, everyone they've signed in the past week is coming off an injury, so maybe that's some sort of strategy they have -- roll the dice on half a dozen players and see which ones end up on their feet. But the Braves got bitten by the injury bug last year and they were sure as hell not going to start a season counting on injured pitchers in their rotation, and Frank Wren is 100% right to not let that happen -- and he's had that attitude since the beginning of the off-season.

If Smoltz wanted to be a starter for the Braves this season, yes, he was going to have to take a back seat, and that was for the good of the team. I guess you can't fault him for not wanting to sit and wait, but he should stop faulting the Braves for not wanting to wait for him.

(You know you've messed up when you piss off the folks in Newnan.)

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As details are becoming clearer, Smoltz was obviously looking to bolt. There was no need for this pretext, and it benefits neither side.

I would’ve respected his decision had he admitted that he wanted to play for a competitor. Though, since the departure of the Bearded Icon, we have made a lot more steps towards becoming competitive.

How awesome would it be to face-off in the WS?

by Land-Man on Jan 14, 2009 9:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

how awesome would it be for us to make the playoffs, and boston to finish third?

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 14, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Not as awesome as beating Boston in the World Series.

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by mvandonsel on Jan 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You better believe I’ll be at Turner Field during a playoff game with a sign that reads “SUCK IT SMOLTZ, FURCAL, PEAVY, AND BURNETT’S WIFE”

"Loyal? I'm the most loyal player money can buy." - Don Sutton

by beeniez on Jan 15, 2009 2:16 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

too easy…..fight urges to make immature comment…

by 10-4 on Jan 15, 2009 9:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

Furthermore, I have had some lively discussions with other Braves fans about Smoltz’s comments.
Personally, I just don’t buy this “disrespect” BS. There was really no disrespect in the Braves offer, it just created a PR nightmare for Frank Wren and company, and pissed off Chipper. I just feel that, if he wanted to make money and play for a competitor after all these years, I wouldn’t begrudge him that. Nor would any Braves fan. But he should at least have just come out and say that. I think us Braves fans deserve that honesty.

I know others disagree, but that is just one thought I have about the whole thing. Either way, I hope he has a great season in 2009 with Boston.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 14, 2009 10:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Why...

…do you have this sudden hatred on Smoltzie? Everybody would do what John did if we are in his position. John did what’s best for himself and the Braves did what’s the best for the team.

I think it’s time to just move on.

by kstchiu on Jan 14, 2009 10:11 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I don’t think anyone hates John, least of all me. But I’m still not buying all his reasoning for going to Boston. His kids are here, his home is here, the best golf courses are here. Smoltz was looking out for himself, that’s it.

by gondeee on Jan 14, 2009 10:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What reason are you looking at, other than “they offered more guaranteed money”?

by mattdiaz4life on Jan 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have to say though...

…I really like that “Char-Jo Reyparrton” reference.

by kstchiu on Jan 14, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Gondee, seriously?

Smoltz gets a call from a reporter about his decision to leave Atlanta, a place he played for 20 years, and a place he left for whatever reason. Obviously his heart was torn. Is he supposed to sit there and say nothing? He earned the right to speak about it, and I think it’s pathetic that you post this about him. He earned the right to tell his side of the story (as much, or as little as he wants to)

by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 15, 2009 9:08 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

By Carroll Rogers

January 14, 2009 5:03 PM | Link to this

Howdy, denizens, remember me? The Smoltz story should be posted shortly, if not already, but I thought I’d throw out some of his comments that I didn’t have the space for in my main story but thought were interesting. Have at it!

Smoltz on Braves injuries last year:

"I was not the reason for everybody getting hurt last year," Smoltz said. "That somewhat falls on my shoulders when you say we can’t take the chance of that happening again next year. Well there’s no guarantees and I don’t think they’ve put together a staff where four potential guys could (guarantee they’ll go) with(out) major injuries."

Smoltz on "Was it the money??" "I will let my track record speak for itself when people talk about why didn’t you stay," Smoltz said. "Was it the money? I don’t need to answer that. I’ve answered that for 22 years."

by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 15, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

With the money the Sox have, it’s not a bad strategy to sign a bunch of high-upside guys at low risk to see if they stick. Not many teams can do that right now, though, either with roster or monetary limitations.

by mattdiaz4life on Jan 14, 2009 10:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

We got Char-Jo Reyparrton in the same deal that brought Vazquez over…right?

by beeswax on Jan 14, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

I was just starting to think about this...

… but Braves fans are really the only baseball fans who adoreJohn Smoltz. Most other baseball fans I’ve encountered think he’s a homophobic, right-wing, Christian, bigot motherfucker.

Oh, Bobby.

by sdp on Jan 14, 2009 11:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

wow...

That was a little uncalled for. Also, I have never heard anyone accuse Smoltz of any of that…

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 14, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Really?

Oh, Bobby.

by sdp on Jan 15, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

yes. really.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 12:15 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I second that...

Never heard anything that close…the sports world loves smoltz and always have. ESPN, the sports media period has always held smoltzie in high regard. First I have heard of this.

by dabraves on Jan 15, 2009 12:40 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

actually

I’ve heard this from other fans too. It’s unclear how accurate the report was, but Smoltz has spoken out harshly against things like gay marriage and that has pissed off some people..

http://www.sovo.com/2004/7-9/news/localnews/smoltz.cfm

by Doghnut on Jan 15, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

so he has an opinion...

who cares? I have my opinions too. Why is it that people in favor of gay marriage are allowed to speak out, but when people speak out against it, they are labeled?

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah...

Because the people speaking out in favor neeeever get labeled.

I think it’s officially time for everyone to stop playing the victim.

by mburris1 on Jan 15, 2009 3:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

they get labeled

as civil rights champions, heroic, etc…while those who are against it are labeled as bigots…this is evidenced by the post above that started all of this. Bc Smoltz spoke out against gay marriage, he has been labeled as a bigot.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I'm not going to get into the whole "taking away human rights" bit...

But I will say this. Being from Oklahoma, and having gay friends, I know that people who are pro-gay marriage can be labeled in just as negative a way as those who oppose gay marriage.

There are plenty of places in this country where being gay or being pro-gay rights is NOT a good thing, and voicing those opinions are tantamount to saying you killed your own mother.

Yeah, this post implies that Smoltz is a bigot. I don’t know if he is or isn’t, but to pretend that all this is a one way street is either trolling or naivety.

by mburris1 on Jan 15, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

+1 great points...

Remember Wyoming and Matthew Shepard???

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by mvandonsel on Jan 15, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Would you expect other teams to adore John Smoltz? Why? Of course Braves fans are the only ones who “adore” him. Frankly, I’m kind of stunned that everyone on here would turn on him like this. I’m guessing it’s just a coping mechanism given that one of the greatest pitchers of our time unexpectedly left the team. In the end, it really made a lot of sense for both sides. Whatever, move on. Be happy for all the brilliant years he spent in Atlanta rather than dwelling on this.

by ajones2522 on Jan 15, 2009 12:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Damn smoltzie has all those qualitys?

I think i back him again

by dabraves on Jan 15, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

But really

I never have heard the sports world having “hate” towards the man. Hell I know ESPN and the baseball tonight crew has seemed to always regarded him high. Even Jim Rome didnt tear him apart for making the move. But shit, I dont know everything. Im sure someone that does “no everything” will set me straight the way talking chop has turned into MMA style word bashing toward each other. There sure are a bunch of hard asses on here. What the hell has happened to this site? Been here awhile and starting to lose interest in my fav. site

by dabraves on Jan 15, 2009 12:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Agreeance

Braves fans adore Smoltz.

Baseball fans respect Smoltz… ’s contributions to the game.

But a lot of people do genuinely dislike the guy. Don’t think it’s impossible. As a player, he was without question one of the most dominant power pitchers and unflappable post-season big game pitchers over the last two decades. He does carry a holier-than-thou attitude if anyone can take off the harmonic earbuds and listen to him speak, it’s pretty easy to tell the guy really enjoys to hear himself speak during pre/post-games. A few years ago when I moved to Atlanta, I heard the sound clips of his veiled disapproval of homosexual relationships, which I thought was a bad move, considering we’re in Atlanta, practically the gay mecca of the East coast.

The most recent story I read about were some irate people in Cobb County pissed off about their favorite gentlemens club/Sunday football watering hole getting closed down, and them doing a little digging finding out that the person behind the actions was none other than Smoltz himself, via a development company that he is invested in, and his decision to rid the popular establishment because it went against his Christian values.

Bottom line is, there is more to John Smoltz than the accomplished baseball player he is. Regardless of the above mentioned, I still hold the guy to a tremendous regard, and have nothing but fond memories of his storied career. But if I weren’t a baseball fan, I’d see plenty of reason not to care for the person. The more he keeps running his mouth, the more people are going to see past the player, and take a good look at the person wearing the Red Sox jersey.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 15, 2009 9:21 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Haha, Atlanta the gay mecca of the East Coast?

You haven’t been to New York, have you?

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 15, 2009 1:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I have. Have you been to Atlanta?

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 15, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I went there

back in ‘07 for a weekend, and it just happened to be gay pride week…i didn’t enjoy myself.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Why?

Don’t be scrrd, just gay folks.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 15, 2009 2:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

except

some of the things i saw were life-scarring. I saw teenage boys dressed as girls walking down the street holding hands. I am somewhat of a homo-phob too, so that doesnt help things. Nothing against gay people, as long as they arent flamboyant, but during gay pride week, it is very safe to say that there was a LOT of flamboyancy going on.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 2:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

"Nothing against gay people, as long as they arent flamboyant"

Nope, that’s not condescending at all. Well, at least you admit you’re homophobic. Maybe someday you can get to the point where you can accept them as equals who deserve equal rights. It’s not about loving everyone – I’m as racist as the next guy (though I consider that to be a tremendous fault) – it’s about making sure our country lives up to its ideals.

"…aren’t worthy enough to hold his (Pujols) ass cheeks apart while Playboy models wipe him with thousand dollar bills after he craps out the cure to whatever previously-incurable disease." by royhobbs 1/7/09

by buzzdeadwax on Jan 15, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

equal "rights"

is different than marriage. being white, should i be entitled to the benefits that a black person gets? equal rights, right? Gay people shouldnt marry, as marriage is an institution of the church. according to the Bible, homosexuality is a sin.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 10:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

oh wow…biting tongue and walking away

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by mvandonsel on Jan 16, 2009 2:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you sure

Did you know that the church had nothing to do with marriage till the year 1050? For the record, that is over 1000 years after Jesus Christ.

I won’t get into a debate on a baseball blog over this other than to say that marriage is legally recognized in the secular United States. Therefore your point is utterly ridiculous.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 16, 2009 11:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

did you know

that the church goes back before Jesus Christ? Ever heard of the Old Testament?

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 16, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

the beliefs and doctrines, that is.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 16, 2009 11:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The sacraments however

In other words, marriage and the Church were separate matters until 1050 AD. Marriage was not a sacrament. Your comments had nothing to do with mine, or at least do not disprove mine, and displayed your ignorance of the history of your own belief system.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 16, 2009 3:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

lol

sacraments are a catholic deal. I am not catholic.

I know more about most belief systems than most people, let alone my OWN belief system. I have a minor in biblical studies and am the son of a preacher. so, if you really want to get into a religious discussion, be my guest, but this is hardly the place for it.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 17, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I would defend the right of any religion that doesn’t want to sanction holy matrimony between two people of the same sex. Civil marriage is a different matter. When people pay taxes and obey the laws, you can’t tell them that they have to be second-class citizens in the eyes of the law. I’m talking about the ability to transfer property, automatic power of attorney, tax benefits that are given to married couples, etc.

by buzzdeadwax on Jan 16, 2009 11:22 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Absolutely

If a church has a problem with it, that is their religion. But at the same time, if a church has no problem with it, than it is a marriage, and has to be recognized as such. The fact is, that if people get married by a government official, it is still called a marriage. Therefore, why can’t gay folks get married?

I hate having this debate on a baseball blog. Therefore, I won’t say anymore on the subject. Go Chipper, Go Braves.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 16, 2009 11:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

some of the things i saw were life-scarring

Why?

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by mvandonsel on Jan 15, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

because

the images i saw of 15 year old boys dressed in dresses and mini skirts, wearing makeup and holding hands and making out is something that i would have preferred not to see. Its as simple as that. I dont like it. That is the answer that you think that I am scared to give, but I am not. i will tell it like i see it. I dont like homosexuality. there. ya happy?

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

at least you are honest.

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by mvandonsel on Jan 16, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

I have been to Atlanta. And Providence as well. Not to insult the city of Atlanta and its gay population, but I’m pretty sure New York and P-Town are ahead in the gay mecca category.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 15, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

To each their own. The one major difference I’d have to say though, it’s definitely more accepted up north, where as down here in the bible-belt, there is plenty of opposition.

Just so you know, I’m not going to continue the discussion “my city is gayer than yours” on a baseball blog, but you can stand by your claims, and I’ll stand on my own, and be cool with it.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 15, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Sounds good

just making useless conversation. I thought your premise was funny. On to baseball.

by Andy Braves Fan on Jan 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Using Christian as an insult is not cool in my book, and i’ll leave it at that.

by 10-4 on Jan 15, 2009 9:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Exactly my point.

I dont think i would take it as an insult though…it would be more of a revelation of the person’s (who is using it as an insult) character than anything else. I love how we christians are considered the bigots by those who are intollerant and hate us…and i will also stop there, as this is a sports thread and not a theology/ideology blog.

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by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Aww, you can't stop there!

As a non-Christian, I think Christians play the victim all the time. Collectively, they’re an incredibly large group that has massive amounts of power. When someone challenges that power (e.g., gays), they throw a fit (or raise millions of dollars – that could have been spent feeding the hungry, housing the homeless, healing the sick, or educating the ignorant – to fight gay marriage). I don’t understand how you can be a follower of Jesus’ teachings, and yet harbor ill-will toward others – and I consider attempting to take away the rights of a particular group of people to be harboring ill-will. Aren’t you supposed to do unto others as you’d have them do unto you?

by buzzdeadwax on Jan 15, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

it really is supposed to stop there....

….I could argue with you, but this isn’t the place. So stop.

by sddbaker on Jan 15, 2009 7:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I love religion discussions/debates!!!! People get soooooo heated!!!

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by mvandonsel on Jan 15, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

True, but I didn't start it

It’s easy to say “Stop it”, once the person you agree with has had the last word. But anyways, you’re right. I just can’t help myself when it comes to politics.

by buzzdeadwax on Jan 15, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Me neither!

I love debating! But I think my views on politics and religion would anger people!

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by mvandonsel on Jan 15, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Are you a pagan anarchist?

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 15, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I think...

Atheist Democrat might be bad enough.

by mburris1 on Jan 15, 2009 8:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

You just nailed me perfectly but uh…I’ll just walk away now.

BIG JOE SUCK ONE

by bigjoe on Jan 15, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Close enough

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by mvandonsel on Jan 16, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I don't want to know...

…what anyone is, politically or religiously speaking, at least not in the context of this blog. Most people cannot help but take information like that and project their stereotypes and prejudices onto the person. This leads to devaluing that person’s opinion on completely unrelated issues, like whether or not Albert Pujols is overated. Or if Jon Garland is a great pitcher or not.

by sddbaker on Jan 16, 2009 10:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

like whether or not Albert Pujols is overated.

You just HAD to bring that up again didn’t you? =)

"Debated ya right not one person agreed with me" by ATLsportsfrk on Dec 27, 2008 6:31 PM EST

by scstrato on Jan 16, 2009 10:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Char-Jo Reyparrton? Hahaha…

I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.

by Smoltz's Beard on Jan 14, 2009 11:58 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

Char-Jo Reyparrton for MVP!

by BullManUGA on Jan 15, 2009 12:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Wait a minute.

You mean Smoltz plays for the Red Sox now?

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"Yeah, when we lost the pennant in '87."

by jug on Jan 15, 2009 1:54 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Im a Houston Rockets fan and I am kind of taking this like I did when Hakeem Olajuwon played his last season in Toronto. I am just going to imagine that he retired. Thats it.

by Mike Kerns on Jan 15, 2009 8:47 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

Burn. Poor Dream. His career ended as a Nightmare in Toronto. I loved Olajuwon. Poor guy. A mosque he built out in Africa ended up getting taken over by Al Qaida insurgents at some point using it to traffic weapons and launder money without anyone knowing about it for years.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Jan 15, 2009 9:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Yeah, it was disgusting when people started accusing him of being a terrorist. Actually met him at The Rockets game last year against the Spurs. Super nice guy.

by Mike Kerns on Jan 15, 2009 11:02 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

The Braves did disrespect Smoltz. Smoltz is a class act, and probably never made public half the stuff that happened behind closed doors. He respects the hell out of the organization and Bobby Cox. It doesn’t mean he has to love Frank. Why would Chipper be so mad at the Braves and say nothing negative about Smoltz? He knows just as well as anyone what really happened.

by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 15, 2009 9:03 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

and this is why

assumptions are not valid in debates…

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by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

What assumptions?

by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 15, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

This one:

"The Braves did disrespect Smoltz. Smoltz is a class act, and PROBABLY never made public half the stuff that happened behind closed doors. "

And this one:

“He knows just as well as anyone what really happened.”

and the implied assumption that we dont know what “really happened”.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 4:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Oh wait….. I really could’ve said Smoltz is a class act, and never made public half of what went on behind closed doors..
People talk, not necessarily to guys with note pads and microphones, but people talk.

Chipper was pissed at the Braves, and not at Smoltz. Knowing that Smoltz and Chipper have had their disputes in the past, it’s safe to say that Chipper didn’t need to defend Smoltz…But he did. He defended Smoltz (because he knows what happened), and ontop of defending Smoltz, he publicly lashed out at the “front office”. I mean, c’mon Mr Incredible

by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 15, 2009 4:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

and if you had said that...

you would STILL be making an assumption. Chipper was pissed because Smoltz was a good friend of his. Chipper was pissed because of the state of the franchise at the moment. Chipper isnt nearly as pissed now that we have signed Lowe and Kawakami as he was a few days ago.

and yes, the play on words in my name is “incredible”. I am glad that you could figure that out…

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

^^I made 2 assumptions in this post

can you find them, “mr whodunnit”?

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by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 5:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Well, from where you’re sitting, I think you made three assumptions big guy..

by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 15, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

nope. just two.

I’ll help you out here:

assumption #1: Chipper was pissed because…
assumption #2: Chipper was pissed because…

Now, please show me my third assumption.

And, ftr, the expression is “from where I’m sitting”.

"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -

by justincredubil02 on Jan 15, 2009 10:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

Nope, I definitely meant "from where you’re sitting

by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 20, 2009 12:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

I thought Smoltz and the Braves had decided to wait to see how his rehab went before talking about contracts. Didn’t Smoltz say that he wouldn’t talk about his condition or his contract situation until he was further along in rehabbing his injury? He only threw one session. This is why I wonder what Smoltz is talking about?

by CHill33 on Jan 15, 2009 10:53 AM EST reply actions 0 recs

I've made this point over and over again

Wren and Smoltz agreed to not even discuss a contract until Smoltz was ready to pitch. And now suddenly he bolts for the first team to offer him a big contract. I don’t hate, or even dislike, Smoltz by any means. But for him to act like it’s Wren’s fault is absurd.

by Bobby Cocks on Jan 15, 2009 11:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs