What is our pitching staff in 2010???
by Fischerking on Jan 13, 2009 1:23 PM EST
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PrintWith the signing of Lowe, K. Kawakami, and Vazquez this offseason we have seemingly achieved our offseason goal of bolstering our rotation. But that opens up some new questions about the future of our pitching staff.
With all 3 of these guys under Braves control for multiple years some of our younger talent will have to either stay in the minors or be traded. And these are guys that will be ready to be starters in the majors.
Reyes, Morton, Parr, and the highly touted Tommy Hanson are all possible candidates for the 5th rotation spot this season.
So if we stay put then by 2010 our rotation consists of:
Lowe, Kawakami, Jurrjens, Vazquez, and most likely Hanson.
So what will happen next for the younger pitchers that already have MLB experience in Reyes, Morton, and Parr?
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its highly unlikely that those five are able to make every start this season. So there will be some starts available for Reyes, Morton, and Parr. I would like to see Hanson start the season at AAA. He has the potential to be something special so I think that we should take our time with him. I would like to see Campillo, Reyes or Morton have that 5th spot. Whoever doesn’t make the rotation should spend the year at AAA. They need to get consistent starts at one level.
Hudson's 2010 mutual option
makes things even more interesting. Mutual options rarely get picked up, and either an extension or cutting ties will be more likely to happen.
So, as of right now, here are pitchers who would be capable of starting in 2010:
Lowe, Vazquez, Jurrjens, Kawakami, Hudson, Hanson, Campillo, Morton, Reyes, Parr
You can basically guarantee that one of the youngsters not named Hanson will be shipped in a deal to NY for Nady or Swisher (or maybe to Det for Mags or something) pretty soon. It’ll be interesting to see what happens here. It’ll probably depend on who has options left and who doesn’t.
Mags would be a good addition to this team. His contract isn’t wonderful but he is a very good veteran hitter. Of the available options, Mags is probably the best player but factoring in the price, he isn’t the best value and has some risk
"Fools rush in where fools have been before"
I'd go for Maggs...
…if the Tigers would pay half his salary. Otherwise: too expensive.
-Jo-Jo Reyes doesn’t look like he’s ever going to find a comfort level in Atlanta. He might do OK as a lefty reliever, but he’d probably be better off getting traded.
-Charlie Morton has had success as a reliever in the minor and he’d probably profile better there in the bigs. He could let his fastball go more and work that with his curve and be a fairly dominant two pitch pitcher.
-James Parr is a nice story, but his stuff is only so-so and his ceiling is likely more as a middle reliever.
-Tommy Hanson is the real deal and if he progresses they’ll find a spot for him. Moving Kawakami to the bullpen, where he’s pitched in Japan would make sense.
-Of the AA guys, Kris Melden still profiles better as a reliever, as does Deunte Heath. Todd Redmond looks like a great back of the rotation innings eater, so he may find a spot at some point.
Things tend to work themselves out. I’ve never believed that you can block a prospect because injuries and attrition and trades will work everything out for you.
the braves want the best starters to start
not just one guy, necessarily…and the point of this post is to talk about what the rotation MAY look like in 2010…it isnt that difficult to dicipher really.
"Success is not final. Failure is not fatal. It is the courage to continue that counts." - Sir Winston Churchill -
by justincredubil02 on Jan 13, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions
Been here for how long?
And getting uppity already?
"He's getting better, but he's not there yet ..."
- Bobby Cox (talking about Boyer)
Not more than an hour ago, you got a look at what the 2009 “might” look like. Why, an hour after Lowe signs, are you even thinking about 2010. Also, there isn’t a combination that hasn’t been written up on here (with players now available) that would add more insight onto this speculation which is totally unfounded (except by who’s signed into 2010). The problem with who’ll start in 2009 is the same problem as 2010. Just kill two birds with one stone.
Honestly there isn’t a reason for anyone to post ANYTHING on these sites so why do it? Because people enjoy talking about the Braves, as do I. If you are upset about the post I made then go to another blog or just don’t go to blogs at all. Go to a site that has articles with no responses if you like.
I just wanted to interject a different topic to think about for THOSE INTERESTED instead of “Wren is an idiot for losing Smoltz” or “Wren is an idiot for giving a 35 year old a 4 year deal”.
Don’t care for the topic feel free to move on.
Well, there are reasons for you to post. To talk about moves made, Smoltz leaving, Frank Wren’s quotes making fun of bloggers, trade moves, things that happened when you went to the game or watched. All I said was this topic posted by you, has been talked about on here many times, and has been discussed on other sites. It was a question from me, asking what the point of talking about it again and again and again
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions
“this topic posted by you, has been talked about on here many times”
Not by me. I haven’t been coming to this site very long so this is the first I’ve talked about it. My point is if you are so tired of it why post anything in response? I wanted to talk about a Braves related topic so I did. If you don’t want to talk about it GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
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just stop being an ass when someone wants to post a topic. if you have seen it elsewhere and do not find it interesting, dont read it.
Dude, don’t post if you’re going to be a Nazi about the replies you get..
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
Where is Hanson on any roster above AA?
Where’s Hanson’s mulit year/multi million dollar contract that would propel him infront of anyone on my list?
What has he done to warrant a spot in the 2010 rotation at this point?
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
haha
so you are just gonna not include him in any plans??
and what does his contract have to do with where you put him on your “list”. the best players will play whether he makes 750,000 or 10 million.
in your theory, you might as well trade him if you dont think we are ever going to use him.
Actually, yes I do. I don’t believe he’s 100% untouchable now (could be traded straight up and basically rape a team who’s cutting payroll, but this won’t happen), and I don’t believe after 60 innings in the big leagues that he’ll be untouchable unless he seems to be panning out. His ceiling (talent wise) isn’t that much greater than Jo Jo’s. I think he’ll be more effective applying the talent, but it wasn’t too long ago that Jo Jo and Morton were “off the block” so to speak.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions
i am gonna have to disagree that Reyes and Morton were ever considered anywhere near the prospect that Hanson is. They both have good stuff, but they have always had huge question marks about being able to put things together (Morton’s ability to go a full season as a starter and Jo-Jo’s command). Neither of those guys have ever established themselves as elite prospects. Hanson is a top 3 RHP prospect in baseball right now with command of 4 above average pitches. And if the Braves give up on his enormous talent after 60 IP in the majors then I’ll find a new team. Jojo has well over a 100 and he is still getting a chance this spring.
I think the point kind of is that no matter what your rotation looks like, you’re going to be leaving someone out. Here, it’s Hanson.
by mattdiaz4life on Jan 13, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
i agree
you have to leave someone out..and there will be injuries so it probably wont be a real problem, but the idea that the braves wont use him by 2011 is idiocy.
I didn’t say “won’t use him”. Don’t be absurd.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
What?
Where did that idea even come from?
by mattdiaz4life on Jan 13, 2009 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
jssmall404 said that it would be idiotic for me to say that the Braves wouldn’t use Tommy until 2011.. I basically said “I didn’t say that”
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
I’m worried that Campillo might not be etched in as the 5th starter in 09, not for baseball reasons, but for business reasons. If the Braves start him and he does “ok”, he’ll be closer and closer to arb. If they put him in the pen, he’ll reach arb, but bullpen guys aren’t as valuable. He also isn’t the youngest in the bunch. The Braves might put in a younger guy who they think might do “ok”.. The Braves have to pay Jo Jo and Morton 60% of what they made last year anyway. They might just throw one of them in the back end.
+1
I would have to think that would at least be a factor in deciding who gets the last rotation spot this spring.
by mattdiaz4life on Jan 13, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions
You don’t really worry about arbitration with a guy like Campillo. They’re going to use him up until they can’t get anything more out of him then dump him before he’s get expensive. They brought him in for nothing and have already gotten way more than they ever could have expected. When it comes time for him to make real money they’ll let him move on and take a gamble with somebody else.
Or, they could keep him cheap, and keep him
He’s got that smoke and mirrors thing going on..Plus he’s a cool dude. He might have a real future in the pen for a long time.. Like an Eddie Guidardo (spelling?) type of thing……? eh…
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
If they control his salary by controlling his role, they might get a decent return out of him for a while. Plus, there’s always room for a guy who can fill 95% of pitching roles.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
He is a cool dude. But the wheels are gonna fall off his wagon eventually. Guys that don’t make it to the bigs until they’re in their 30s don’t have a long shelf life. I hope he pitches great for the Braves for a while, but the other shoe is gonna drop soon enough.
CB, honestly, I feel bad for him. He’s a hard worker, a great guy, and he’s a helluva pitcher. I guess this is wishful thinking coming through.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
I feel bad, because I’m worried he won’t get what he deserves for his abilities.
by Whodunnit?4040 on Jan 13, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I got meet him in Spring Training and he was great. Really laid back. There’s nothing saying he can’t stick around and be successful; Buddy Carlyle was in a similar situation in 07 and had maybe an even better year in 08. But, you just have to wonder. Hopefully he’ll show some folks what he can do, make some good money along the way, and ride it out as long as it lasts.
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