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I just wanted some feedback from some true braves fans. I get on here from time to time and enjoy alot of posts and comments fans make on all the problems in braves world. I would just like to ask how many of you actually go to braves games? And does anyone agree that the mighty braves have the worse home support crowd in the majors? I know the braves have fans all over the world, trust me I know personally and I blame my father everyday. But is it just the braves attendance numbers that lie? Or is Hott Atlanta a real bad place for Baseball? (And football, basketball..cant blame you guys there). Im sure I will get some great answers, and I hope I can get some stats thrown at me.

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i live 700 miles away from atlanta. but if i didn’t, i’d own a full season plan. i made a roadtrip this summer to see 4 games even though every single fucking star was either hurt or traded. every game i was there, there were just as many fans for the opposing team as there were the braves. i’m pretty sure the released attendance numbers are just TICKETS SOLD as opposed to actual attendance. and with all the companies in atlanta that hook their employees up with free tickets…theres where your attendance issues come into play.

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Sep 11, 2008 9:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

To echo this sentiment: I live over 950 miles from Atlanta, and while I haven’t made any trips to the city as of yet (aside from connections at the airport), it is in the works for the future. I became a Braves fan because of TBS, and like bigjoe, if I lived anywhere near Atlanta, I would absolutely have a full season plan for my entire family. As it stands, the best I can do now is catch the big club when they’re closer (NY, Toronto, Pittsburgh, Cleveland, Boston), and watch the minor league clubs when they are near here – both of which I do on a regular basis.

Hopefully the move from Richmond to Gwinnett doesn’t change the fact that the R-Braves (do we call them the G-Braves now?) make it to central NY a couple times a year.

by VegasAces on Sep 12, 2008 8:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Calling out

I really hate when people call out for people that are true fans or calling out others that aren’t true fans whether it be for complaining or whatever. Sorry, just had to let that out.

I do agree that the Braves don’t get the support they deserve. I remember too many post season watching from back in Indiana that it was pathetic to see so many empty seats, so I’m with you there. But now I live in Atlanta and I’ve come to realize that Atlanta is very eclectic. You have a lot of people moving here from other states that already have a favorite team. Take me, I’m from Indiana so I’m a big Colts and Pacers fan. Indiana has no MLB team so I had either the Cubs or the Braves to choose from cause they were televised. I ended up choosing the Braves when I was a kid, and the Yankees are the evil empire.

I’d say I go to about 5 games a year but I also try to make it out to a few minor league games as well to watch the promising young talent. Whether or not going all the home games or just watching from a TV screen makes a true fan or not, well I guess I’ll have to leave that up to others to judge.

And I agree with BigJoe on the point with companies hooking their staff up with free tickets…just wish my office did that. I’d definitely be going to more games.

by Sparhawk on Sep 11, 2008 10:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

im with you there

I live in tennessee and grew up a braves fan. I am with Bigjoe also that without a doubt if i lived in ATL I would own season tickets in a heartbeat. Ive always wanted the braves to build a fan support like the cubbys or sox. It makes me sick to see 50 percent of the stadium filled season after season. I am glad to hear from someone that lives in ATL because I just wanna get a prespective why it seems ATL is only half-way behind the braves.

by dabraves on Sep 11, 2008 10:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The Red Sox and Cubs are currently enjoying support from bandwagon fans around the country

Thanks to ESPN, “Red Sox Nation” has grown in recent years, thanks to shoving the Sawx vs Yanks down our throat. The Braves actually have a prety large fan base across the country thank to the TBS years; they draw really well in Houston for some reason.

I’m not here to defend the Atlanta fan base, i remember being pretty pissed when i was at Game 1 of the 2005 division series vs Houston and it wasn’t packed. But it was a 3 pm game thanks to ESPN. I live about an hour and a half east of Atanta and we bought our first 9 game plan this year, and we’ve been to 11 games total this season. Since most posts on this thread will cover why Atlanta fans suck, i’m gonna list a few reasons why the Braves don’t pack Turner Field every night:

1. Turner Field’s location: What do Fenway Park and Wrigley Field have in common? They’re both in the heart of town, making for a great atmosphere. Turner Field isn’t exactly located in a great neighborhood that you’d feel safe walking around in without an entourage. There’s no MARTA access, unless you count having to get off at 5 points, go through Underground, and then get in line for the “Braves Shuttle”, which has to wind through downtown. Very inconvenient and time-consuming. I think this has a huge effect on weeknight games during the school year, because its so time consuming, and you don’t want your kids going to bed after midnight when they have school in the morning.

2. Turner Field is large: Fenway and Wrigley have something else in common: Their capacity is small by today’s new ballpark’s standards. a Turner Field sellout is right around 50,000. Wrigley and Fenway hold around 36,000 i believe. I’m not saying that if the Cubs and Sawx had bigger stadiums they wouldn’t sell out alot, but i bet they wouldn’t sell out every night, especially in lean years.

3. The Product on the Field: Winning cures all ills. Fans got tired of seeing the Braves lose in the first round every year in the latter part of the run. I was actually pleased with the attendance for this past weekend’s series against Washington, considering they don’t draw usually well. Now, the Rockies, during the week, in September, when the Braves are nearly 20 games under .500. Do you really expect a sellout?

by 10-4 on Sep 12, 2008 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Excellent points, all three. The only thing I might dispute is the second part of point #2, but that’s one of those things we’ll probably never know.

by VegasAces on Sep 12, 2008 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree and I think the location has alot to do with it. Yes it’s off the highway exit, but the neighborhood is a “shithole”, excuse my french. I think they should have built a smaller stadium on the north side of Atlanta closer to Buckhead. I doubt there are alot of season ticket holders who live near Turner Field. Crackheads usually spend their money on crack!

by BravesFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i don’t know how much you can complain about the neighborhood, since the stadium is surrounded by parking lots and…long roads

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Sep 12, 2008 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going north out of the main gates, yes, there’s mainly parking lots and a long road…and some new housing. But if you go a hundred yards east or west after exiting the stadium, you’ll understand what he’s talking about. There’s some revitalization going on, but…

by Lizziebeth on Sep 12, 2008 8:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s also surrounded by a burnt-down KFC/Taco Bell, a dilapidated church, and a really, really well-lit liquor store.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Sep 13, 2008 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

KFC/Taco Bell...

…is that the one that was right across the street? I remember there was one just out side the Launching Pad/The Ted. When I was there in 96, I remember thinking KFC/Taco Bell??? Never had I see such at thing (at the time).

by RainDelay on Sep 13, 2008 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Same one.

I “jokingly” suspect foul play in its demise, pointing a finger at Chic-Fil-A, seeing as how with the razing of KFC/Taco Bell, there are absolutely zero reputable food establishments, and one price-gauging BP gas station, within almost a mile radius from the Ted, suspiciously leaving the only food options once there to be the overpriced, variety-lacking options within.

I mean seriously now, does anyone really want to spend $9.75 on a Chic-Fil-A meal that costs literally half that in normal outlets?

I guess that is one of my rare beefs with the Ted. Most other parks I’ve been to have had something remotely nearby/convenient to eat except Turner Field, which I have to plan to either bring my own, or a route to get something cheaper and better quality to take with me.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Sep 13, 2008 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the good shit in philly is about 5 minutes away FWIW

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Sep 13, 2008 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well noted...

still seems strange to look over and see that KFC/Taco Bell gone!

And I didn’t mention going south because this place is there: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=hospice
and also because I don’t park over that way…I, like royhobbs, usually hoof it over from the west side, through Mechanicsville, and the lovely sights and smells of the “urban dweller” neighborhood under the Connecter bridge.

by Lizziebeth on Sep 13, 2008 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wondered what that place was when i saw it from Turner Field!

The more you know…

Its a pretty easy shot for me to the field. I live about an hour east of Atlanta, so i come in on I-20, get off on Hill Street, then shoot right into the Orange lot. Its easy in, and really easy out, since hardly nobody is heading east on 20 after the game.

by 10-4 on Sep 15, 2008 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Braves fan

I’ve been a braves fan for about 10 years now. i didn’t get cable until then and when i started to watch them i really like them. i live in nebraska so you can tell how many braves games i get to go to. they never play kansas city or minesota. the last braves game that i got to see was at the old busch. i was there when furcal turned his triple play.

by jack dein on Sep 11, 2008 10:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in MD. Kind of hard to get to see them more than my Spring Training week and a rare mid-summer game. Probably would own a half-season plan if I lived in Atlanta though.

by 17843 on Sep 11, 2008 10:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in OK

So the idea of traveling to GA for a bunch of games is probably never going to happen.

If I lived in ATL, who knows, probably at least a half-season plan, depending on my pay level.

by mburris1 on Sep 11, 2008 10:43 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is the worst home crowd support line serious?

Have you ever watched a Marlins game? Or a Tampa game when they’re not winning (or hell, now, when they’re not playing the Red Sox)? I could name several: Washington, Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Kansas City…even my hometown Orioles have trouble filling that beautiful park of theirs.

Its been fairly accepted that the Braves have a scattered fan base because of TBS (and lets face it, you root for the teams you can watch). But Atlanta isn’t a bad place for baseball, as there are plenty of people who’re going to the games. Sure we’re not New York, Boston, Chicago, or St. Louis, but Atl isn’t anywhere close to being bad. (In fact, I think I saw some stats recently that we’re exactly middle of the road for attendance; not shabby when you consider how bad the team has been).

by soup du jour on Sep 11, 2008 11:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in TN

And I am another person to admit that if I lived in Atlanta I would at the very least have a half-season plan. I was also thinking about this today and yes, the fan support is very bad for the Braves but you also have to take into account that this year has not been a good year for our beloved team. Any team that has went through the season we have or have been out of contention for a while have about the same fan support, no matter what city they’re in.

The Braves sadly haven’t given the home town fans much to be excited about the couple years so this is what happens. And when you look at it, Atlanta is a smaller market than say New York or Philadelphia so there are a lot of their fans at Braves home games. I hate to admit it but it’s just a tough time being a die-hard Braves fan and casual fans have just turned their attention elsewhere. It happens to the best of teams. A couple of seasons without results and the attendance starts to dwindle.

by MTSU11 on Sep 11, 2008 11:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

MLB Attendance

ESPN’s Attendance Report

Braves have been always around 10~16 rank among all teams. but if you ask how many of home crowds are ‘true braves fan’, I don’t know. There’s no such stat to figure it out. (counting the ones with braves jersey or hat?)

by Rekardin on Sep 12, 2008 12:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I live in Atlanta

And I attend about 20+ games a year, and its always depressing going to The Ted and seeing all the empty seats. Atlanta fans are just so used to winning, they never go. Which is retarded. I still love going to a game, just seeing the Braves in action.

I blame Frank Wren for our recent suckiness.

by jjcollins on Sep 12, 2008 1:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You really need to get off the Frank Wren sucks train. He’s been GM for a year, has acquired thre starters for our rotation, a center fielder that played well, and basically changed little else. It’s not his fault he acquired a near bare upper farm system, an injury plagued front of the rotation, and a number of young guys prepared to have their 10th percentile preformances.

by 17843 on Sep 12, 2008 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you blame Wren after one year??? He hasn’t put his stamp on this team yet. He pulled off a couple of great deals trading Renteria and Ascanio for Jurrgens, Gorkys H., Infante and Ohman. Are you kidding me? He has a bunch of contracts coming off the books this year. We will see this offseason what he does. May I remind you, sometimes the best trade is the one you don’t make. Hopefully, he doesn’t trade good young prospects for mediocre veterans because this may be Cox’s last year.

by BravesFan on Sep 12, 2008 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why doenst he call up some of the young guys to play? I mean, the season is trashed anyways, might as well see what the youngsters can do to get a better idea of where we stand this off season. Instead, guys like Schafer and Hanson are at home.

by jjcollins on Sep 19, 2008 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Schafer is headed to play Winter Ball and I think Hason is getting ready for the AZL which starts in a couple weeks. Not to mention I think both would have to be added to the 40 man , and Wren had already stated that Hanson wouldn’t be called up to limit his innings and because Schafer is going to play winter ball.

by RainDelay on Sep 19, 2008 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why not just let them play in the majors to see how they fair against major league pitching? Speaking of limiting innings, why is Jurrjens still pitching this year???

by jjcollins on Sep 19, 2008 7:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

probably because if (when) they do poorly, they don’t wanna shatter their confidence. see: bailey, homer

Following the Braves...one long hard drink at a time.

by bigjoe on Sep 19, 2008 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Jay Bruce? You never know til you give them a shot is all that I’m saying.

by jjcollins on Sep 20, 2008 2:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Going to games is irrelevant to someone's fandom

I live 18 miles from Turner Field, and I attend on average 30-35 games a season, not to mention at least one road trip where I see the Braves play away from Atlanta. Yeah, I like to consider myself a pretty big fan, but I do not do the following:

• Pay as much attention to the minor leagues as many members here as I probably should, despite the fact that they are our future and lifeblood of the organization
• Passionately debate and discuss statistics of what could or could not make the team better/worse
• Shell out money for MLB.tv / Extra Innings packages because I have the luxury of being local and can just turn on my Cable to watch the Braves

Are those people bigger fans than me? Debatable. But they don’t come to 30+ games, so I guess not.

Of course that sounds silly.

Random things:
1. The Braves can’t sell out a playoff game. Neither can the Arizona Diamondbacks.

2. Turner Field’s capacity: 50,096 Wrigley: 41,160. Fenway: 36,108. (mlb.com numbers) 10-4 posted pretty much all the reasons they sell out pretty much every game on a regular basis. Those, and the fact that Atlanta is a city full of transplants who have no deep-rooted dedication to the Braves. Born-and-bred Georgians don’t care for baseball nearly as much as they do college football, which is in season right now; meaning students and alma mater (UGA, GA Tech, Auburn, FSU, Gators, Vols… lots of VA Tech, UNC, UVA, Clemson here) disappear on Saturdays and some Thursdays. Transplanted Milwaukee-ans would rather support the Brewers than the Braves, despite the historical connection, and believe me, there are tons of Brewers fans that appear out of the woodwork when the Brew Crew comes to town.

3. bigjoe brings up a good point. If the Braves played a game in an empty Ted, they could still declare at least a paid attendance of 300, because that’s how many ScumTrust tickets are pre-sold to them prior to the season. Now multiply that by about at least 10 (random guess), because that’s how many pre-sold corporate tickets are sold before a single pitch is even thrown in April.

But all the responses above me are proof that attending Braves games is pretty much irrelevant at deciding how big of a Braves fan they are. I kinda see the potential thought processes you might’ve had to even post your calling out in he first place, but you could’ve easily just asked “Why does Braves attendance stink” without questioning the fandom of everyone here. As you can see, most of these people would love to come to the Ted to watch some baseball, if it were only possible for those who live away.

If everyone here weren’t a “true” Braves fan (or a douchey e-troll), they wouldn’t be here in the first place. It really is that simple.

No wonder nobody likes you, Tuttle... everything's a (Pujols) damn debate.

by royhobbs on Sep 12, 2008 9:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Just because someone’s a season ticket holder doesn’t mean that they’re a bigger fan than me. It DOES mean they have more money than me.

by 10-4 on Sep 12, 2008 10:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+2

“Douchy e-troll”

I live in California. I’ve been to a few games when the Braves have come to San Francisco. I also do not appreciate it when people address the “true fans”. It’s extremely condescending. It reminds me of people who consider themselves better citizens because they are louder cheerleaders for the government (depending on who’s in power). Bottom line: if you consider yourself a fan, you’re a fan. The opinions of others means nothing.

by buzzdeadwax on Sep 13, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hmmm..

I’ve been a fan for about 20 years now, and I’ve only seen the Braves live twice. Once was the NLCS in 96 against the Cards at The Launching Pad and then late 90’s when the Braves traveled to Seattle for a interleague game.

Oh did I mention I live in Oregon?

by RainDelay on Sep 12, 2008 11:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Some very interesting "stats" here...

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=929

I was surprised to hear the Braves are still so popular. We complain about all the fans for other teams showing up at Turner Field, but from what I have heard, the Braves have quite a presence in ballparks around the country as well.

According to this survey, I’m a very typical Braves fan, demographically. I do love my team. I live in Tennessee, about a four or five hour drive away, depending on traffic. I usually make it to Atlanta for maybe 5 or 6 games a season. If I lived in Atlanta, I would attend more; I’m guessing in my present circumstances probably 20-30 games at least.

by sddbaker on Sep 12, 2008 2:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Braves fan in Kansas City

I grew up and lived in Tennessee until about 8 years ago, when my wife and I moved to Kansas City, MO. I was about 5 hours from Atlanta in Tennessee and made the trip down for two weekend series per year (6 games). I couldn’t really afford that but my love for the Braves pushed me to just put it on the credit card. Living in KC now, I have a 25 game package with the Royals and go see them even though they stink every year. I also take the 4 hour drive to St. Louis to see the Braves play that series every year. If I lived in Atlanta, I would definitely have a half season package. A full season package is just too tough to go with when you have a time consuming job and little ones at home. My wife is already jealous of my time at Royals games (she hates sports but my love for the Braves has rubbed off on her). I HATE that the Braves are never on TV here since TBS pussed out and we get Fox Sports midwest here. Next year I am getting satellite if I can figure out how to get at least 75 Braves games a year on there. I hate watching games on the computer. Sorry for the long post but I totally understand that not everyone can afford to attend games. Braves games are at least 3 times more expensive than going to see the Royals and we have an absolutely terrific ballpark here. Granted KC has sucked for decades.

by KC Ryan on Sep 12, 2008 4:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Braves fan in KY

Live in Louisville, KY so not really in vicinity. Been to a couple Braves road games when they are closer (i.e. Cincy). Also money is an issue to making more games.

by lacrosse_cat on Sep 13, 2008 3:54 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks everyone

I appreiciate all the commments. And there is alot of good points I didnt think of like location and we as braves fans being spoiled and use to winning so much.

I guess my whole point was not actually challenging braves fans in general but the actual atlanta residents. My father and I have drove about 3 hours or so numerous times throughout my life and many were in playoff games with what seemed to be a 60% filled stadium.

Just a dissapointment and I guess only a wish that we could pack stadiums out and have electric crowds like some clubs. But I now have a better outlook at all the things that have to come together for that to happen. Thanks everyone, and go braves

by dabraves on Sep 14, 2008 8:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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