Eric Campbell
I've never seen the kid play and all I know about his "troubles" are what I glean from fan sites, but is his luster back? He was a top prospect 2 years ago, ran into some problems and got a late start this year. But he has been on fire for a while now. I've posed this question a couple different times in BA chats, but it's never been answered. For those that have actually seen him, is he the real deal? For the disaster that has been the Atlanta Braves season, I'm pretty stoked about some of the youngsters!! Although, I guess the ones that excite me the most are only in A ball. Anyhow, if he can continue to progress along with Freeman and Heyward, that's not a bad looking 3-4 in 2-3 years. Hopefully 2:)
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after reading this i checked his stats..
i thought i heard the knock on campbell was that he was an all or nothing swinging kinda guy..everyone knows he has power but by the looks of a 34/36 BB/K and wat id say is a respectable OBP of .367 and 26 of his 63 hits are for extra bases…he really looks hes turned a corner and is just another guy to be excited about in the system
by pj16 on Aug 4, 2008 10:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He’s always had the talent to be a stud third baseman, just folks got down on him last year because he had the normal growing pains of jumping up a level and it coincided with his attitude blowing up bigger than ever. He’s rebounded this year while repeating the league and has a 267/367/502 while posting a very low 258 BABIP; ie, he’s doing very well for himself despite some bad luck. He’s also doing well fielding wise based on BP’s metrics. At 22, he has to be back in the top ten this offseason and he’s still looking like Chipper’s successor.
by 17843 on Aug 4, 2008 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Impressive Turnaround...
He’s mashing to the tune of .310/.427/.574 in his 35 games (129 AB) after the All-Star Break and he’s doing this while calling Myrtle Beach his home field. Outside of a heinous May to start this season, he’s been hitting extremely well. I can’t imagine that he’ll stay in A+ much longer since he was there all of last year, so it’s possible that he’ll be a phone call away from Atlanta in 2009 if/when Chipper gets hurt again.
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by ejruiz on Aug 4, 2008 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Today
3-3, 2 doubles and a bomb and 3 walks. Wow. That Myrtle Beach team is a juggernaut!! Reminds me a bit of the 1992? Greenville team. Just a bit, I don’t want to do any disservice to that Greenville team that ran roughshod over everyone all season and onto the playoffs.
by NorCalAtlFan on Aug 4, 2008 11:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
his performance last night was one of the most impressive offensive performances I’ve seen in a game. Crazy thing is Tyler Flowers did a 2-3 2 HR, 5 RBI, 3 BB game himself.
by yondaime4 on Aug 5, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kinda funny
that everyone is hitting higher than 265 in the lineup..but no one is hitting 300 or better..
o and john venters has had a good comeback to myrtle beach so far going scoreless in 5.1 innings
by pj16 on Aug 5, 2008 12:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Re: kinda funny
It looks like the whole lineup could also hit 20 home uns this year. What gives? Everyone got exicited when Salty hit 15 hr and .290 as a MB Pelican a few years back,and now I count 7 Pelicans with 14 or more home runs.
by Spongebob on Aug 5, 2008 5:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Never been impressed
I’ve said this before, but since this thread came up I’ll throw it out there again, I’ve seen Campbell play a number of times over the years and he’s never impressed me. I know the stat guys will come up will all kinds of things to show why I’m wrong, but the kid has a poor attitude, he doesn’t hustle, and he swings at bad pitches. And with all these numbers he’s putting up, we have to remember that he’s repeating the league and he’s a year or two older than most of his teammate who are in the league for the first time and, for the most part, performing better. I really hope Eric turns around his life and fixes his attitude problems and works to become a good player, because the potential is obviously there, but I doubt it will happen. To me, he compares very well to Scott Thorman, except Thorman hustles.
by cbwilk on Aug 5, 2008 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I see him as building value to be trade bait as part of a package we can put together for a starting pitcher in the offseason. I admit that I don’t know his situation first hand, but from what I’ve read in the papers about him, his attitude prevents him from being a ‘Bobby Cox’ type of player. Yeah, Cox isn’t going to be around forever, but if Campbell doesn’t improve that attitude I don’t know if I want him on my team.
by soup du jour on Aug 5, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s the same age as Travis Jones, Tyler Flowers, and Brandon Hicks. Sure he’s repeating a league, but that’s largely an issue of him having said attitude problems and having terrible luck (220 BABIP) his first time around. His actual stats, when corrected for such a low BABIP, actually are pretty darn good – something like a 300/375/550 with an average 300 BABIP. Correct this seasons to adjust for the low BABIP and you get something like a 310/400/600.
by 17843 on Aug 5, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is that pro-Thorman propaganda?
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 5, 2008 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Boy...
I think stating that he has a poor attitude AND the he doesn’t hustle is redundant, but that’s just me. He clearly has the talent and, if he can get his head on straight, there’s no reason to believe he can’t reclaim his status as a top prospect. As for the whole “swings at bad pitches critique”, his strikeout and walk totals/ratio indicate that he’s turned a corner in that regard. Did you only watch him last season?
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by ejruiz on Aug 5, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I’ve seen him play at least six games every year as long as he’s been around, and just saw him again last month. Not much has changed from the view in the stands.
by cbwilk on Aug 5, 2008 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Campbell in Rome
He had a pretty big year in 2006 in Rome, and I saw him play 25 or 30 games. Well, probably more like 20 – I went to about 30 games, but Campbell had a stint or two on the DL that year and seemed quite fragile. As for his play, he had the most lazy way about playing 3rd base I’ve ever seen – there were times I’d tell whoever I was with that Bobby Cox would have come out of the dugout and yanked his butt out for his sloppy, lackadaisical play. And I don’t mean confident and smooth like Andruw Jones – I mean he would rarely dive, didn’t hustle, and he also had a habit of being what I called ‘too cool for school’ – and by that, I mean when he made a mistake (whether it was ruled an error or not), Campbell was prone to sit on the ground and just look around as if he couldn’t believe the ball had been so stupid as to bypass his glove. I can’t remember if those antics ever allowed a runner to advance or anything, but I’d bet if you could review all the video, you’d find a time or two when it happened – he did it all the time. But he could hit – .294 w/22 HR. And all of this was before any of his suspensions, so when the suspensions happened, I wasn’t surprised. I could be wrong because I honestly don’t know for sure, but I’d also bet he was being reprimanded for his lack of interest on the field.
I again saw Camppell play for six games this season in Myrtle Beach, and, sadly, nothing much had changed (it was before the all star break). In that short time, I saw him kind of stand around when balls were hit to his left or right, and he would do the ‘too cool for school’ thing and look just amazed if he made an error. But again, he’s pounding the ball big time in MB this year – especially lately. I NEVER figured him to get his average above .250, and yet he has.
His interraction with the fans has also, from my experience, been almost nonexistent. He just doesn’t respond when people – even little kids – ask him things or compliment him on his play. Again, I met Eric on many occasions, so it’s not like I saw this behavior in an isolated incident – it was all the time. That’s something that may not really be important to some people, especially compared with what he gets paid to do, but it’s still something that I, as a fan, think is important. I would think it would be easier to endure a slump, rehab, or deal with a crisis with the support of fans. I suppose he has some fans out there, but I’m guessing he hasn’t made very many along the way.
There’s no question the guy has talent. He can even make some very good plays at third now and then. One of the games I saw him in MB it seemed like every ball was hit to him, and he didn’t miss not one. But the whole package is just something I’d rather do without as a Braves fan. What he brings to the table in terms of character just seems to run contrary to the ‘Braves way.’
I know Chipper’s days are numbered – I’m really pulling for Jon Gilmore.
Sorry it’s such a long post….
by secondbass on Aug 5, 2008 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coulnd’t agree more with every word of this post.
by cbwilk on Aug 5, 2008 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, my bad, I didn’t check the ages, I just assumed since he’s been a pro since 04 and all those guys are in thier second or third year. I have no idea what BABIP is. I watch guys during games and BP and talk to them and other players about each other. It’s different ways of assessing players.
by cbwilk on Aug 5, 2008 12:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Batting Average of Balls In Play
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 5, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Scouting and Stats.
Honestly, I believe this “debate” is settled and the winner was… both. It’s clear that one without the other leads to an incomplete picture and that such imperfect information can make one look foolish from time to time. I lean towards the stats side, but I lend plenty of credence to scouting and am looking to improve my knowledge in that department.
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by ejruiz on Aug 5, 2008 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Batting Average on Balls in Play basically shows what happens to a ball in play; ie everything that’s not a HR or K. The average in the major leagues is somewhere barely north of 300 while I suspect the minor league average is a bit higher due to the lesser defenses and lesser field quality. If a guy posts a BABIP lower than average, many times it can be attributed to luck – the old hard hit ball right at someone – while if a guy posts a BABIP higher than average they can be said to be getting lucky – bloopers falling in, errors, etc.
Campbell’s being so low consistently might be an element of his game, but it’s more likely that he’s just getting unlucky due to small sample sizes. Even ignoring BABIP, his numbers last year weren’t bad; he walked a lot, didn’t strike out tons, showed great power, just didn’t hit at a high average.
As for your last sentence, whatever, ignore/dismiss stats as evaluation tools at your own risk. They paint a far clearer picture of a player’s body of work than simply watching and surprisingly you can actually evaluate players using both your eyes and their statistical record.
by 17843 on Aug 5, 2008 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree completely; stats are important, watching gus is important, and the funny thing about both is that plenty of guys with great stats that look good in person end up doing nothing at the higher levels and guys at the other end, so so stats who don’t wow in person end up playing great. The whole thing is a crap shoot, that’s one of the most fun things about the minor leagues.
by cbwilk on Aug 5, 2008 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does
anyone remember Andy Marte? What happened to him. Last I saw he was in Cleveland. I remember when he was going to be our third baseman of the future before being traded to the Red Sox for Edgar Renteria.
by Jerret Anderson on Aug 6, 2008 11:12 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like he currently playing with the Tribe this year and is .169/.221/.272 on the season. Ouch.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 6, 2008 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, that’s a great guy to bring up. I’m sure if somebody examines the stats, they’ll see that Andy performed much better than Campbell at the same level at a younger age. And he had the work ethic and in game skills to match the stats. But he still didn’t pan out, the Braves hosed the Red Sox and Indians on that trade. Predicting minor leaguers is just for fun, because you never can tell.
by cbwilk on Aug 6, 2008 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the same breath though, I’m sure there were many people who saw him as a sure fire major leaguer based on their perception…or whatever the hell you want to call it.
So, like you said, we can recite stats and swap stories about seeing them in person about minor leaguers till we’re blue in the face but in the end none of it may be true. Interesting stuff.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 6, 2008 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Renteria turned into Jurrjens and Gorkys, so Marte (who stinks as Beard pointed out) netted us our number two starter and a top prospect OF, as well as the excellent play we got from Renteria while he was here (293/361/436 in 2006 and 332/390/470 in 2007).
I’d say we made out pretty well in that deal.
by VegasAces on Aug 6, 2008 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That deal was an A+ for our organization, no doubt about it.
I guess I should be one to talk.
There's nights that I can't even walk.
There's days I couldn't give a fuck.
And in between is where I'm stuck.
by Smoltz's Beard on Aug 6, 2008 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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